Lucas was quite frank back in 1977 that he had studied clips from a number of WWII films to block out the combat scenes. He wanted that part of his far-out sci-fi epic to fit Hollywood conventions and audience expectations.
The reason people refer to The Dambusters is because before Star Wars had its FX sequences shot, al the dogfights and space ship battles were put in with camera gun shots and war film footage as place holders. This is how it was originally shown to Ladd at 20th Century Fox. The Dambusters is the most obvious of these as lines of dialogue from the attack are directly lifted from the 1955 film, therefore it's obvious that the Death Star sequence was in part built up from it. But possibly 633 too.
Alot of tweeking but dramatically the scenes are VERY similar. There is some Tarkin windbaggery from some Germans and a torture scene (although no Solo rescue). Another film called Mosquito squadron (which uses bouncing bombs on a tunnel!) has the solosque last minute save.
My brother and I loved this film when we were kids (OK, we still do...). We went to see Star Wars together when it first showed in theaters and when they began the Death Star attack, we turned to each other and said "633 squadron!"
well in a way you do as I believe the TIE engine noise is a p51 mustang played backwards (merlin under licensed). And your right only sound better than a merlin is 2 merlins.....
Very good! although at 3:37 you included footage from the practice run with the chalk bombs. It's funny to see the big target with the sticky-tape 'X marks the spot' as if the Germans had set it up like that! The film 633 Squadron is really well made, and a good movie, let along a great war movie. There are quite a few other Star wars elements throughout the film you missed a trick a bit (the rebel base, the brother/ sister relationship ; the torture scene ... think vader and Leia......
FANTASTIC!!!....glad others had noticed the similarities,was getting slightly bored of telling my star wars friends how much the death star attack resembled 633 squadron!
Oh definatly. Although vaguely remember hearing a story that the TIE noise was a mustang engine played backwards (which ironically would make it a merlin made under license). Just wish Mossies flew again...
@doffincodger When they were free to maneuver, yeah, usually. When locked into an attack run at a fixed altitude and airspeed, though, it would have been easier for the Germans to bounce them. The German "fighters" in 633 were Messerschmitt Bf108 Taifuns, BTW. The Taifun wasn't a fighter, it was a trainer. It's the same plane James Garner and Donald Pleasance stole to fly to Switzerland in "The Great Escape."
Very Well Done! nice mashup. This movie was made in the early 60's using only 3 Mosquitos that were still flying. Impressive for those times. Nice Job! once again.
Well done Spartacus! very clever bit of editing. If only someone would make a film about the Mosquito raid on Amiens prison....now that WOULD be a classic. Mosquito was infinately better than the Lanc or the spit anyway.
I realised where he got the Death Star attack as soon as I saw it. Obvious to anyone who saw both films. Better theme tune in 633 Squadron and nicer machines! Originals always better!
Actually both 633 Squadron and Dam Busters inspired George Lucas, I think I remember he admitting it in one of the interviews shortly after his first film. Anybody who saw both films immediately saw the connection.
The plans for the Mosquito exist, there are surviving moulds for at least some of the moulded parts, and there are (very occasional) Mosquitos in "museum condition" sold - usually for a fair chunk of change. In principle, restoration to flying condition is possible. There are also Mosquito projects, but progress reports from those are far and few between. It seems that the Mosquito is a lot tougher than Spitfires and Hurricanes, both of which have been replicated.
Lol, I never considered 633 squadron as being borrowed, only The Dam busters. Anyone else notice the end to Independence Day also borrowed a bit from these films? The narrow run with no room to manoeuvre, flights of 3 aircraft, last shot making the win?
Interesting, however as an aviation enthusiast. that mixing up of the X-Wings eninges with the mosquitos is horrible, since the Mosquitos merlin Motor has a destinctive and definately other sound, and most beautiful if you ever heard a real one. Else it is interesting. It fit pretty nicely, well it was always sayd that much of the fighting scenes were inspired by such films and in the first cuts they were placeholders until the trick scenes were done.
I thought so back when Stars came out, Very good spoof. I've always enjoyed 633 Squadron as well even though the special effects were primitive. Thank you.
The question of whether George Lucas borrowed from The Dam Busters (NOT Dambusters) or from 633 Squadron rather overlooks the possibility that 633 Squadron borrowed from the Dam Busters. Oh, and isn't that bit at 4:21 from Mosquito Squadron, not 633?
hey the actor who played the australian pilot in this movie is the guy who did the narration of the vb ads before he died and he star in crocdile dundee with paul hogan.
Classic. I'm actually watching 633 Squadron right now on Netflix. Nicely put together clips, but I always flt that the Rebel Base scenes with all the pilot chatter was taken right from the movie "Midway" Check it out sometime.
when i see those old planes and i hear things like "lock s coils in attack position" or "switch shields to double front " i have to laugh XD 5:07 comes straight out of monty python "no im alright BLARGh" XXD
I am a big fan of 633 squadron - iit has been my favourite (or one of my three favourites anyway) since I was a kid. Recently I actually sent some questions to Cliff Robertson (who plays the lead: Roy Grant) about the film and he has replied. I can't put a link on here because youtube appears not to appreciate that even though I am a real fan and its just more information. Anyway just search for Cliff Robertson Questionnaire or Lazlo Ferran's blog which is run by google too.
Cheers- yeah thought about including that but it kind of doesn't mix with the planes so well. Its funny though I think I thought of that torture scene when I first saw starwars!
Great vid Sparacus ;) Lucas copied from everwhere and everything. It show's in Phantom Muzzled when he had to be totally original and no one said 'George! That idea stinks!' Shame really. The vision was great. the execution abit hap hazzard and corporate toy projected sales heavy. A New Hope and Empire are still bloody great though as is the original 633 :) As a by note. I heard Peter Jackson is rebooting 'The Dam Busters'. Hope it's a good 'un!
A Mosquito with German markings is used in the first part of the movie Where Eagles Dare, I seem to remember. The Germans also tried to reproduce the Mosquito, but their clone did not see the skies before the end of the war as far as I know.
hahaha thats awesome, the bit at 5.08 where the bloke screams as the plane crashes into the cliff is too funny. Its kind of like a delayed chinese voice over movie death scene. lol!!
May the Royal Air Force be with you!
Lucas was quite frank back in 1977 that he had studied clips from a number of WWII films to block out the combat scenes. He wanted that part of his far-out sci-fi epic to fit Hollywood conventions and audience expectations.
My brother told me about this in 1977-- he recognized it immediately. Of course, I thought he was nuts and ignored him, until today. Great work!
"I just lost my starboard engine" -> it's the left wing that's on fire
mosquitos flying in 3's down a fijord, no room to manouver, having to hit a precision target, being fired at by flak, hunted by 109's.....
Lucas always acknowledged this and other films as an influence on Star Wars.
The reason people refer to The Dambusters is because before Star Wars had its FX sequences shot, al the dogfights and space ship battles were put in with camera gun shots and war film footage as place holders. This is how it was originally shown to Ladd at 20th Century Fox. The Dambusters is the most obvious of these as lines of dialogue from the attack are directly lifted from the 1955 film, therefore it's obvious that the Death Star sequence was in part built up from it. But possibly 633 too.
Alot of tweeking but dramatically the scenes are VERY similar. There is some Tarkin windbaggery from some Germans and a torture scene (although no Solo rescue). Another film called Mosquito squadron (which uses bouncing bombs on a tunnel!) has the solosque last minute save.
My brother and I loved this film when we were kids (OK, we still do...). We went to see Star Wars together when it first showed in theaters and when they began the Death Star attack, we turned to each other and said "633 squadron!"
"I can't shake it! I've got a wire attached to my wing!"
well in a way you do as I believe the TIE engine noise is a p51 mustang played backwards (merlin under licensed). And your right only sound better than a merlin is 2 merlins.....
Excellent mashup. Lucas, however, has publicly acknowledged "The Dambusters" and other WWII films were a huge influence on the death star sequence.
Yeah, George Lucas did say the fjiord run inspired the trench run in Star Wars:-)
Very good! although at 3:37 you included footage from the practice run with the chalk bombs. It's funny to see the big target with the sticky-tape 'X marks the spot' as if the Germans had set it up like that!
The film 633 Squadron is really well made, and a good movie, let along a great war movie. There are quite a few other Star wars elements throughout the film you missed a trick a bit (the rebel base, the brother/ sister relationship ; the torture scene ... think vader and Leia......
Outstanding! -Jeremy Sindon (Gold two - "3 marks at two ten") played a bomb disposal officer in a great series from the 1979 called "Danger uxb".
It seems Mr. Lucas borrowed several ideass from several movies not only this one.
FANTASTIC!!!....glad others had noticed the similarities,was getting slightly bored of telling my star wars friends how much the death star attack resembled 633 squadron!
The Force will be with you..........yeah that would be the Royal Air Force
I've thought this since 1977 when I first saw Star Wars!
OLD OLD OLD old old old republic
"hey the actor who played the australian pilot in this movie is the guy who ...."
his name is John Mellion
it's a mix, there's a line from dam busters near the beginning, the trench run is from 633 squadron, and the final explosion is from Guns of Navarone.
Oh definatly. Although vaguely remember hearing a story that the TIE noise was a mustang engine played backwards (which ironically would make it a merlin made under license). Just wish Mossies flew again...
That's amazing! Lucas copied the entire audio track from this sequence DIRECTLY from this movie?
@doffincodger When they were free to maneuver, yeah, usually. When locked into an attack run at a fixed altitude and airspeed, though, it would have been easier for the Germans to bounce them.
The German "fighters" in 633 were Messerschmitt Bf108 Taifuns, BTW. The Taifun wasn't a fighter, it was a trainer. It's the same plane James Garner and Donald Pleasance stole to fly to Switzerland in "The Great Escape."
The Force is strong in this one.. brilliant editing.. well done
Very Well Done! nice mashup. This movie was made in the early 60's using only 3 Mosquitos that were still flying. Impressive for those times. Nice Job! once again.
Well done Spartacus! very clever bit of editing. If only someone would make a film about the Mosquito raid on Amiens prison....now that WOULD be a classic. Mosquito was infinately better than the Lanc or the spit anyway.
sir... I was abot to dismiss this out of hand.. HOWEVER
Well done to do this... great editing
5 stars and added to my fav list
I realised where he got the Death Star attack as soon as I saw it. Obvious to anyone who saw both films. Better theme tune in 633 Squadron and nicer machines! Originals always better!
Yes the navigator (Stewie Macfee) (short one from the great escape) is practically R2D
Totally agree, besides those twin Merlins sound better than a TIE.
Right On! Thought exactly the same thing myself the first time I saw Star Wars back in '77.
Remake 633 Squadron please George Lucas
Actually both 633 Squadron and Dam Busters inspired George Lucas, I think I remember he admitting it in one of the interviews shortly after his first film. Anybody who saw both films immediately saw the connection.
Good work Spartacus. Lucas doesn't deny getting inspiration from WWII movies, but I'm not sure it was this specific one.
I like this film too.
The special effects are pretty corny in places .
It has a brilliant theme tune.
All kinds of awesome - two of my favourite movies!!!
The plans for the Mosquito exist, there are surviving moulds for at least some of the moulded parts, and there are (very occasional) Mosquitos in "museum condition" sold - usually for a fair chunk of change. In principle, restoration to flying condition is possible. There are also Mosquito projects, but progress reports from those are far and few between. It seems that the Mosquito is a lot tougher than Spitfires and Hurricanes, both of which have been replicated.
Lol, I never considered 633 squadron as being borrowed, only The Dam busters. Anyone else notice the end to Independence Day also borrowed a bit from these films? The narrow run with no room to manoeuvre, flights of 3 aircraft, last shot making the win?
God damn it, it's almost shot for shot in places.
Interesting, however as an aviation enthusiast. that mixing up of the X-Wings eninges with the mosquitos is horrible, since the Mosquitos merlin Motor has a destinctive and definately other sound, and most beautiful if you ever heard a real one. Else it is interesting. It fit pretty nicely, well it was always sayd that much of the fighting scenes were inspired by such films and in the first cuts they were placeholders until the trick scenes were done.
A better theatrical trailer than the original!!
The theme tune for this was epic!
great stuff -very clever -as a fan of Mosquitos and Star Wars I really appreciated this!
I thought so back when Stars came out, Very good spoof. I've always enjoyed 633 Squadron as well even though the special effects were primitive. Thank you.
Thats the Folkewolf TA 154 i believe which was a German wooden plane - inspired by the British "wooden wonder" called the Dehaviiland Mosquito
True- atleast Lucas had the imagination to transpose it to space - Emmerich didn't even make that leap.
The question of whether George Lucas borrowed from The Dam Busters (NOT Dambusters) or from 633 Squadron rather overlooks the possibility that 633 Squadron borrowed from the Dam Busters.
Oh, and isn't that bit at 4:21 from Mosquito Squadron, not 633?
An excellent interpretaion, well done. A difficult film to edit.
yes but where was Hann Solo and his Millenium Falcon ?
hey the actor who played the australian pilot in this movie is the guy who did the narration of the vb ads before he died and he star in crocdile dundee with paul hogan.
OMG! WTF! LOL! That was just about scene for scene... Wow.... Darn you George Lucus!
Classic. I'm actually watching 633 Squadron right now on Netflix. Nicely put together clips, but I always flt that the Rebel Base scenes with all the pilot chatter was taken right from the movie "Midway" Check it out sometime.
I especially liked the briefing scene... and the firing sound effects go so well with the lousy visuals!
The 633 will be with you, always.
ALWAIS!
nice - my two fave films combined
cheers mate
That was brilliant! Five stars easily! Great mixing skills!
when i see those old planes and i hear things like "lock s coils in attack position" or "switch shields to double front " i have to laugh XD 5:07 comes straight out of monty python "no im alright BLARGh" XXD
Damn Clever! But miss the Merlin 'Moaning!
...except for a minor glitch at 2:20 this was very well done...matching up the audio with the video was excellent....
I always thought there were some similarities. This is great.
Yeah the video has been chopped around a little, but the sound is pretty much the trench run shortened.
Thanks Enterprise! Thats even better I think- apt that a merline would be used for the Falcon.
@Trashcansam123 actually i made this before I saw the Keiper one. I think its clear Lucas borrowed heavily from both
Good job matching the voice to the mouth movements
Oh... I also loved this movie too. hehe Sit and watch it with dad. Awesome.
absolutely brilliant
Masterful. It works so well.
Fantastic editing!
consider this fav'ed.
@roguewarrior5 Lucas him self said it inspired the Death Star trench run.
The De Havilland Mosquito was generally too fast to be shot down by enemy fighters ?
Brilliant Bloody Brilliant Thank you
This is excellent parody mate well done!! Love both comparisons, obviously no offence to WW2 either, a lot of brave men in fiction but in spirit
I am a big fan of 633 squadron - iit has been my favourite (or one of my three favourites anyway) since I was a kid. Recently I actually sent some questions to Cliff Robertson (who plays the lead: Roy Grant) about the film and he has replied. I can't put a link on here because youtube appears not to appreciate that even though I am a real fan and its just more information. Anyway just search for Cliff Robertson Questionnaire or Lazlo Ferran's blog which is run by google too.
Lucas was 9 years old when he saw this !
and "may the force be with you"
LOL !
RIP Poorkins..
Staring Angus Lennie as R2D2!
@roguewarrior5
except that lucas has said that 633 squadran inspired the trench run in star wars.
Cheers- yeah thought about including that but it kind of doesn't mix with the planes so well. Its funny though I think I thought of that torture scene when I first saw starwars!
I can't even begin to tell you how awesome this is and at some points it even made me laugh like at 05:07 XD
once again great job on this video
I think they have, it's called 'Mosquito Squadron'
Hilarious!
Well done! I got a laugh outa' this one!
I used to bullseye womp rats. That bit cracked me up!
Heh, excellent stuff! Lucas obviously took lots of scenes from both Dambusters and 633 Sqdrn., the pilfering cad.
Great vid Sparacus ;)
Lucas copied from everwhere and everything. It show's in Phantom Muzzled when he had to be totally original and no one said 'George! That idea stinks!'
Shame really. The vision was great. the execution abit hap hazzard and corporate toy projected sales heavy.
A New Hope and Empire are still bloody great though as is the original 633 :)
As a by note. I heard Peter Jackson is rebooting 'The Dam Busters'. Hope it's a good 'un!
A Mosquito with German markings is used in the first part of the movie Where Eagles Dare, I seem to remember. The Germans also tried to reproduce the Mosquito, but their clone did not see the skies before the end of the war as far as I know.
im pretty sure the sound from starwars is unedited, but did you edit the video from 633 squadron mosquito , or is this the video in its original form
This was funny great editing!
hahaha thats awesome, the bit at 5.08 where the bloke screams as the plane crashes into the cliff is too funny. Its kind of like a delayed chinese voice over movie death scene. lol!!
...nicely done
Yep,if only there was one still flying...
I'd say both film's influenced Star Wars.
Too funny. And pretty much accurate where he got some of the footage.
Thanks for sharing
Oh, great movie 633 Squadron is too. Well worth the watching.
This edit is amazing.
awesome. great job
He also played a US sailor in the movie "On the Beach."
0:43 Its 'Ives... Flying Officer Ives!!'
Bravo ! Well done !
I'm sure it was inspired by it, not directly and blatantly lifted.