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  • How much has UHF technology progressed in 20 years?
    A teardown of a 2000 vintage Uniden 500mW UH040 UHF Walkie Talkie to a modern kids 500mW version at half the size and 1/10th the cost!
    Bonus UH750 5W teardown.
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Комментарии • 498

  • @Mobin92
    @Mobin92 4 года назад +343

    "Copyright 2000" ... hold on I thought he said 20 years ago ... oh :(

  • @whiskeyinthejar24
    @whiskeyinthejar24 4 года назад +2

    My grandparents have been using those old school Uniden uhfs daily for 16 plus years on the farm. They have held up surprisingly well.

  • @thehandyman83
    @thehandyman83 4 года назад +1

    Oh man I just had the exact thought about these last summer. I bought a few of these in 2001 for chatting when off-roading when we were out in our Jeeps. Fast-forward to 2019 and went shopping for some 'real walkie-talkies' for my 4 and 5 year olds to play with and to my amazement they dropped to like two for $30. They arrived and they are absolutely tiny. Blew my freaking mind. We have since bought them for all the neighbor kids and now they all play with them all the time.

  • @RedwoodRhiadra
    @RedwoodRhiadra 4 года назад +43

    That 5-watt "professional" model might be more expensive materials, but Vietnam is where you go these days when Chinese labor is too expensive...

    • @Klokopf52
      @Klokopf52 4 года назад +3

      @Abstractism They also started to increase working conditions and paid there workers more than just a grain of rice and already companies are leaving... Disgusting how profit oriented parts of our world are :(

    • @jskratnyarlathotep8411
      @jskratnyarlathotep8411 4 года назад +4

      @@Klokopf52 you're saying that like you're never consider the price while buying something

  • @conodigrom
    @conodigrom 4 года назад +59

    10:30 solder balls, coming to a short near you!

  • @VintageTechFan
    @VintageTechFan 4 года назад +43

    13:00 That's most likely just an RF-MOSFET. Those RF-FETs typically have the source on the cooling pad for good low-impedance grounding. I see an RC feedback network from drain to source (very common!) and a matching/filtering network to the antenna. The diode marked "W4" looks like a PIN diode for the RX-TX switching (there is a second one under the edge of the shielding can).
    It's actually a quite nice design, as soon you switch on the drain voltage BOTH diodes are going to conduct and you connect the TX to the antenna, and short the RX input to ground to protect it.
    The SOT23 would then be a bias regulator, since they would be using the FET in Class C there is no idle current, you just have to bias it somethat under Vth to get the right conduction angle. So no adjustment needed here.

    • @TechNed
      @TechNed 4 года назад +2

      It's a 2SC3356. NPN BJT with a Gain-Bandwidth product of 7GHz!

  • @L0j1k
    @L0j1k 4 года назад +31

    2:38 Shoutout to Dave chortling at "People's Republic" LOL! 10 for style and finesse!

    • @urbbs09
      @urbbs09 4 года назад

      Geeked me out

    • @zakofrx
      @zakofrx 4 года назад +1

      Just like how East Germany was the Democratic Republic.

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  4 года назад

      Finesse is my middle name :->

    • @TechNed
      @TechNed 4 года назад +2

      ... and don't forget that bastion of democracy, the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea), north of the 38th parallel.

  • @maicod
    @maicod 4 года назад +46

    you saved the new transceiver from an untimely death by removing that solder ball

  • @Syntax.error.
    @Syntax.error. 4 года назад +10

    When I was a kid in the 90s I had a rich friend that got very fancy walkie talkies that we used to play around. I was amazed by them at the time.

  • @vk3ye
    @vk3ye 4 года назад +2

    The UH040s were a classic. Top seller and top performer. >50 km range from a high spot. The use of AA (not AAA) batteries was a masterstroke for long life. only thing extra I'd have liked is a detachable antenna. From memory they were $149 when they came out, dropping to $99 for a long time.

    • @KiwiCatherineJemma
      @KiwiCatherineJemma 2 года назад

      I believe that the non detachable antenna aspect was a required part of the UHF PRS/CB radio licencing regime from the Aust/NZ governments.

  • @Zardox-The-Heretic-Slayer
    @Zardox-The-Heretic-Slayer 4 года назад +80

    that is so bloody weird - I literately just took some of these exact same walkies apart about 30 minutes ago

    • @vincei4252
      @vincei4252 4 года назад +7

      Spooky attraction at a distance :-O

    • @Najvalsa
      @Najvalsa 4 года назад +1

      Maybe he heard you over them.

    • @Digalog
      @Digalog 4 года назад

      Google programmed both your brains

    • @agvulpine
      @agvulpine 4 года назад

      I think that's what he's driving at. Google has tapped into the algorithm of ordained-by-suggestion in order to manipulate the things we do and to, ultimately, synchronize society to its design.

    • @Zardox-The-Heretic-Slayer
      @Zardox-The-Heretic-Slayer 4 года назад +1

      @@Digalog I just found them in a charity shop and thought I'd take them apart cause they were £2

  • @horiamorariu8612
    @horiamorariu8612 4 года назад +27

    Hi Dave.
    A very interesting teardown, thank you.
    The RDA chips are also the core in Baofeng VHF/UHF transceivers.
    One minor thing to clarify: all of them are PMR (446MHz), not CB (27MHz).
    Cheers, take care!

    • @chrisjones8741
      @chrisjones8741 4 года назад +3

      I thought the same thing about CB at first too. But apparently that’s what they call that band in Australia.

    • @1ytcommenter
      @1ytcommenter 4 года назад +7

      in australia 446 IS! citizen band. aswell as 27 megacycles frequencies.

    • @ammocraft
      @ammocraft 4 года назад +11

      As soon as I saw the spec sheet, I immediately thought Baofeng, as otherwise you wouldn’t need VHF with PMR, GMRS, FRS, and our CB all being UHF. BTW, to the other commenters....UHF CB here in Aus is 477MHz FM, with AM/SSB still legal on 27MHz too.

    • @ctyragdoll
      @ctyragdoll 4 года назад +3

      Yep, here in the US it's called the FRS (Family Radio Service, 462/467Mhz UHF). It's also FM, while CB is AM/SSB on 27Mhz (again, in the US).

    • @hopkinskong
      @hopkinskong 4 года назад +3

      Or 409MHz here in Hong Kong/PRC.

  • @StreuB1
    @StreuB1 4 года назад +5

    Videos like there, where Dave gets all hopped up and his passionate Aussie side comes out, are the best. Can always tell when he's REALLY into a topic like this one. Again, fantastic video Dave.
    As for Uniden, we all remember these from the Radio Shack/Tandy store days. Always have been a high end brand, even today they stand up there with Kenwood and the lot.

    • @Digalog
      @Digalog 4 года назад

      haha topshit

  • @redtails
    @redtails 4 года назад +1

    the remarkable thing is that the 15$ kid transceiver is 75% empty. The board is massive but there's almost nothing on it. It literally has that size so that the batteries and the LCD can fit on it without cables

  • @giver666
    @giver666 4 года назад +4

    Is not a CB radio 27MHz !!! Is a PMR radio 446MHz !!!

    • @freda5344
      @freda5344 4 года назад

      counted 9 comments already of this same. American right? FFS the whole world is not the USA. In Australia CB legally refers to either of the allocated 27mHz or UHF band.

  • @Stefan_Payne
    @Stefan_Payne 4 года назад +3

    Nice to see a longer Teardown Video from you again!
    Godspeed!

  • @R2AUK
    @R2AUK 4 года назад +1

    15:00 RDA1846 is extremely popular these days. You will find it in many inexpensive UHF/VHF radios. Baofeng radios are probably most famous. Also RDA1846 is used in some low-end Yaesu radios.

  • @stevenm.2380
    @stevenm.2380 4 года назад +8

    I remember as a teenager in the late 90s going to six flags and everyone had those mini walkie-talkies as cellphones hadn't't taken off yet.
    Literally hours of fun scanning the channels and saying rude things. I would just imagine someone in the park, stood in line and suddenly a loud fart noise emanating from his person. : )

    • @shadow7037932
      @shadow7037932 4 года назад +2

      My friends and I still use these for autocross/track days because it's a lot more continent than dialing a phone number.

    • @wjodf8067
      @wjodf8067 4 года назад

      yep same tricks but the log flume rides used to kill them we had double b\plastic baggies for the wet

    • @dglcomputers1498
      @dglcomputers1498 4 года назад +1

      We still use licenced radios at work, much easier and quicker than calling someone, plus they still work if we have a power cut and the mobile networks go down.
      As for scanning radio channels, there is a story from one of the audio forums where someone having gone into a supermarket in England and getting rubbish customer service (returning something or suchlike), noticed the greeter with a wireless microphone. He got back to his car, either left and came back already had his scanning equipment on him managed to find the frequency of the wireless microphone and broadcast "half price alcohol today" or something like this over the Tannoy a few times, ended up with the police being called due to the problems caused by said message!

  • @snafu6548
    @snafu6548 4 года назад +1

    Not sure how other countries designate bands, but CB (40 channel Citizens Band) in the USA is an AM radio using the lower HF band (26.965 to 27.405 MHz).
    FRS (22 channel Family Radio Service) radios are FM, in the UHF band (462.5625 to 462.7250 MHz)

  • @ronniepirtlejr2606
    @ronniepirtlejr2606 4 года назад +1

    I have a beautiful TRC-236 Radio Shack Citizens Band transceiver. Got it at a yard sale for $4.00. The only thing I had to do to it was make 2 blank batteries (according to the manual) for the proper voltage, using alkaline batteries. If you're using rechargeable they are not necessary. It is a beautiful piece of vintage electronics, in fantastic shape!
    *Edited to add. It picks up the truckers on the interstate 7 miles away.

    • @edwardfletcher7790
      @edwardfletcher7790 2 месяца назад

      Those things were the dream of every teenage kid in the 80's 👍
      Annoys me watching the kids on Stranger Things playing with them when they cost a weeks wage when new !!

  • @donwald3436
    @donwald3436 4 года назад +3

    Neat, UHF CB. Makes much more sense than what was allocated in America. Imagine taking a long distance band and legally mandating local communication on it!

  • @VintageTechFan
    @VintageTechFan 4 года назад +22

    6:30 May be for capacitive coupling to the holding hand to use the user as a RF counterpoise. Handhelds generally do that to some degree.

    • @conodigrom
      @conodigrom 4 года назад +7

      "You're holding it wrong" cit

    • @SolidStateWorkshop
      @SolidStateWorkshop 4 года назад

      DL3CE Or maybe some sort of coupled ESD protection. Not sure if i see anything particular sensitive underneath though

    • @hjups
      @hjups 4 года назад +1

      It might be to help fix the inductance of the spiral inductors (possibly for a filter?). If you notice at 7:07 there are four coils that appear to be custom for the application. I know that working with RF stuff, near-plane coupling will change the values of components like that (most of the time you have to do an EM simulation to make sure that the components are still tuned correctly after assembly). That could also be why the metal wraps around, so that it makes contact with the rest of the can.

    • @atmel9077
      @atmel9077 4 года назад +1

      This is probably to prevent capacitive coupling between the circuit and the user's hand. On the old portable superhet FM radios, waving your hand close to the VCO tank circuit would tune it to the previous station.

  • @zachdemand4508
    @zachdemand4508 4 года назад +7

    It would be nice to see more teardowns of radios.

  • @sanityd1
    @sanityd1 4 года назад

    I always love a teardown and one of the few fun parts of taking apart printers is seeing the evolution over the years from different companies.

  • @russellhltn1396
    @russellhltn1396 4 года назад +7

    I'd imagine the reason the 5W went back to discrete components is for better performance, particularly intermod (intermodulation) - where a strong off-channel signal can clobber what you're trying to listen to.

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 4 года назад +1

      All too apparrent when using the RTL2832 for anything... Any strong radio signals make it very difficult to use for anything, especially without the proper antenna.

    • @PE1MR
      @PE1MR 4 года назад +3

      Yeah, band-pass filters are required if you want to get more selectivity from SDR-based transceivers. The regional 70cm repeater at 200 meters from my home makes any UV-5R cry ;-)

    • @ryantoomey611
      @ryantoomey611 4 года назад +1

      That is because you need better filtering, otherwise there will be too much spurious emissions and harmonics.

  • @hopkinskong
    @hopkinskong 4 года назад +4

    Those RDA chips always uses direct conversion like SDR Radio, unlike expensive one usually uses double conversion superheterodyne.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 4 года назад +3

    The diode in the output circuit is probably a pin diode to switch TX/RX.

  • @edwardfletcher7790
    @edwardfletcher7790 2 месяца назад

    The battery life improvement has also been incredible 👍

  • @Darryl603
    @Darryl603 4 года назад +21

    Hope you're safe from the fires and Happy New Year, Dave.

    • @mrkitty777
      @mrkitty777 4 года назад +1

      Weow 😼

    • @alanhowitzer
      @alanhowitzer 4 года назад +1

      @@mrkitty777 Isn't it 'meow'?

    • @mrkitty777
      @mrkitty777 4 года назад

      In Australia cats Weow due to the accent that's different. And cats burrrr too in Australia. In most countries they do meow and purrr, 😄😃

    • @Darryl603
      @Darryl603 4 года назад +1

      @@mrkitty777 What sounds do cats make in China?

    • @mrkitty777
      @mrkitty777 4 года назад +1

      Cheow, chaewow, chiweow, chuweow, and they probably churrrr 😮

  • @ksbs2036
    @ksbs2036 4 года назад +1

    That was tremendous fun. Thanks Dave

  • @edwardbyard6540
    @edwardbyard6540 4 года назад

    I had a Uniden 4W 40 channel hand held CB in the 90s. It ate batteries like there was no tomorrow.
    Uniden base stations were the mutts nuts back in the day. Really good, sturdy and good audio quality.

  • @0MoTheG
    @0MoTheG 4 года назад +1

    I bought 866MHz radios and the worst about them was the solderless LCD connection. Soon the bars in the display went dead. The range they get depends on the battery voltage.

  • @Bazzawombat
    @Bazzawombat 4 года назад

    Still have my original 20 year old Uniden handheld you showed first, been using them at the NSW bushfires, still very reliable. Uniden have always made quality. Cheers, Barry, VK2FP

  • @ingmarm8858
    @ingmarm8858 4 года назад +1

    The RDA 1846 single chip transceiver is the same chip used in most junk radios including the dual band BAOFANG VHF/UHF radios. Does the job but many manufacturers drop the ball with the band pass filter section meaning you have barely passable attenuation of harmonics.

  • @patrickrobinson4973
    @patrickrobinson4973 4 года назад +4

    Those fires are looking pretty nasty. Not sure how close they are to you, but sure hope you and your family stay safe. Great vids. Love em. You actually make electrical engineering vids interesting to watch, funny and easy to understand. Awesome work bro. Keep it up. 2 thumbs up from me. 👍👍

  • @transtubular
    @transtubular 4 года назад

    Kinda fun! Although here in the US the UHF public range is called the Family Radio Service, CB is only the 27MHz range. I do recall giving the nephews a set of FRS radios that I found that were about half the size of your smaller unit, roughly the same size and shape of a medium sized egg. I don't recall the exact price but I wouldn't have spent more than $40 US on them. This was roughly 20 years ago...so maybe they were more cutting edge than I thought at the time.

  • @ussovak5954
    @ussovak5954 4 года назад +1

    Dave, one can not compare different classes of Two-way radios. There's Public Safety, Commercial, Amateur(HAM) and Consumer(FSR) models. Of course, quality varies greatly between them. PSR and Commercial radios are still much larger than Consumer models. Consumer models are basically toys.

  • @dingus153
    @dingus153 4 года назад +1

    I'm amazed that for a similar price as the old one, I just bought a (basically) top of the range GME 5W hand-held, and it came with a rechargeable lithium battery and heaps of accessories 😂

  • @TKomoski
    @TKomoski 4 года назад +1

    Hey Dave Happy New Year stay safe with you and your fellow countryman

  • @mrepic789
    @mrepic789 4 года назад +2

    It's weird to thing that those were the radios that got me into the career i'm in today. Good on ya Dave for bringing back some good memories :). You think your fancy uniden is beautiful on the inside, check out the Motorola APX8000XE and the MOTOTRBO XPR7550e, the radios I get to play with on the daily :P
    -73 DE KG5PKX

  • @TheTallGirl
    @TheTallGirl 4 года назад +14

    It is insane how they can integrate all that RF black magic today
    Huge boxes full of colorful coils that was hand poked and coated with wax
    Today just replaced with simple LC filter and chip

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  4 года назад +1

      Yep, insane.

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 4 года назад +1

      Today. more like last decade... Even GSM phones from the 90s were really the precursor to these. Even the famed RTL2832u was probably designed in the early 2000s. The first mention of the RTL2830 can be found in Realtek 2005 annual report. I wonder what is possible with ICs spun nowadays...

    • @TheTallGirl
      @TheTallGirl 4 года назад

      @Steve Terry today with things like Si443x wireless chip cost less than connector and meter of wire

  • @todayonthebench
    @todayonthebench 4 года назад +1

    Rather decent build quality in all three of these units. Other then the solder ball tumbling about...
    Also, it is indeed fascinating how a new chip can come along and cut down production costs by a great amount.

  • @Raptor50aus
    @Raptor50aus 4 года назад +1

    Happy New Year Dave. Used to have 2 of these Uniden's with the external mic speaker. Worked great on a friend's farm.

  • @mjsnosk8er720
    @mjsnosk8er720 4 года назад

    Thanks! I'm just finishing a project where one transmits the Call signal in response to a sensor. Great vid!

  • @ornotermes
    @ornotermes 4 года назад

    The 1846(s) IC's is used in a lot of cheap radios, like Baofeng UV-5R and many more. The difference between 1846 and 1846S is that the S version have the 200-260 MHz band that's used for amateur radio in at least USA (1.25 meter). I think the S version is most widespread these days, I have an amateur radio with the S chip but not the 200MHz band so could have managed with the older chip.

  • @wyokaiju992
    @wyokaiju992 4 года назад +12

    7:28
    Silkscreen says CQ
    Nice

    • @dazednconfused31337
      @dazednconfused31337 4 года назад +1

      I took apart a BT DECT cordless phone and it said HIPSTER on the board. It stopped working then but the audio was too quiet and rubbish anyway. Inside my old Amiga A500+ it has ROCK LOBSTER on the PCB.

    • @alexderpyracc4053
      @alexderpyracc4053 4 года назад +1

      Dx

  • @Rob2
    @Rob2 4 года назад +2

    Welcome to the world of software defined radio! (SDR)
    It mixes the RF down to DC in quadrature and digitizes the mixer outputs and demodulates the FM signal out of them. No IF amplifier, no IF filters, nada.
    Of course the disadvantage is that there is little nearby selectivity. A strong signal near the receive frequency will just overwhelm the A/D converters and deafen the receiver.
    That is why the professional designs do not use this method: they would be unreliable in operation when several users use different channels in the same band.
    The TX output has nothing to do with that, you can get the 5W power types that use the same walkie talkie chip (but a more powerful TX amp) from makes like Baofeng.

    • @zvpunry1971
      @zvpunry1971 4 года назад

      Except that it is a software controlled radio. There is likely some digital signal processing going on in that IC, but that doesn't make it a SDR. ;)

    • @Rob2
      @Rob2 4 года назад

      @@zvpunry1971 The block between the A/D and D/A converters is all DSP that processes the quadrature outputs of the two mixers, as in almost any SDR.
      It differs from the typical SDR in that it is not a general purpose processor running software that could be changed, but it is partly hardwired logic and partly software that cannot be modified.

    • @zvpunry1971
      @zvpunry1971 4 года назад +1

      Almost all modern transceivers are built like this, an quadrature mixer followed by a DSP or specialized digital logic. The firmware is most likely mask programmed or in some sort of OTP ROM. And if it were possible to change the firmware, it would still be undocumented.
      Software is something the user can exchange or modify and in case of an SDR defines what the radio can modulate/demodulate and so on. A special purpose IC which implements an FM modulator/demodulator/+gimmicks in an unchangeable DSP with an i2c/spi control interface is just a software controlled radio. ;)

  • @electronic7979
    @electronic7979 4 года назад +1

    Good teardown video 👍

  • @ghlscitel6714
    @ghlscitel6714 4 года назад

    There are dramatic news about the fires around Sydney. Hope and wish you are safe there.

  • @blahorgaslisk7763
    @blahorgaslisk7763 4 года назад

    As a kid I had a japanese made walkie talkie that had a single channel and on the shell it proudly stated how many transistors it used... Can't remember what channel it was set to, but changing it took switching out a crystal. Same with a larger 5W Sanyo that we used in the boat. It had five channels (I think) and you choose what they were by what crystals was installed. This particular radio was over built like a tank, and a lot of people just feed it 24V instead of the 12 it was rated for and apparently they got a bit more power out of them that way. My parents used that radio for well over 20 years...

  • @JerryDodge
    @JerryDodge 4 года назад +1

    Hey Dave, hope you're staying safe in all the fires in the down under mate

  • @billsmith1823
    @billsmith1823 4 года назад +1

    The PCB for the PTT button pushes up against the plastic spigot on the cover where the screw goes through.

  • @georgegonzalez2442
    @georgegonzalez2442 4 года назад

    My first VHF radio was a 1950's taxi radio. The size of a suitcase. About 30 vacuum tubes. Weighed about 40 pounds and drew 6 amps as 12 volts. You could buy them all day long at swap-meets for $10. Original price must have been near a kilobuck in today's dollars.

  • @crimsonghoul8983
    @crimsonghoul8983 4 года назад

    Man, 20 years, and walkie-talkies have become way shorter than you would think. Wonder if Moore's law would allow the talkies to be even more smaller.

  • @Trinitrophenylmethylnitramines
    @Trinitrophenylmethylnitramines 4 года назад +6

    Hi Dave, Vietnamese viewer here!!!!!

  • @thomasanreise3107
    @thomasanreise3107 2 года назад

    It's all chippies and jobbies inside there. Great video, subbed!

  • @laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953
    @laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953 4 года назад +2

    I can never get my head around how Chinese manufacturers can produce and ship some of these products for less than you can buy some of the individual components separately.

    • @KiwiCatherineJemma
      @KiwiCatherineJemma 2 года назад

      Well the workers get 2 bowls of rice a day and a bullet in the head if they don't work fast enough. Or complain. Or wear the wrong coloured shirt. In civilised countries, workers need to be paid a fair wage, along with healthcare and pension benefits. It all adds to the cost.

  • @jimyohe100
    @jimyohe100 4 года назад +2

    You probably had Dura-Leaks in it when the batteries leaked.

  • @electronicsNmore
    @electronicsNmore 4 года назад

    I had a nice Uniden marine transceiver similar to that unit in 2000.

  • @FurEngel
    @FurEngel 4 года назад

    If you want to do your own project, I would recommend the ATmega128RFA1. It combines both a 8-bit AVR MCU with a 2.4GHz RF radio and supports fancy stuff like encryption, compression, error correction, etc.

  • @nigeljohnson9820
    @nigeljohnson9820 4 года назад

    What is interesting is how the circuit topology has changed.
    Older transceivers would be filled with inductors. The transmitter would have contained a collection of frequency multiple stages to get to the carrier frequency. The receiver might contain two local oscillators and two IF stages, maybe at 10.7 MHz and 455kHz with a crystal IF filter defining the radio channel bandwidth.

  • @nickplan4855
    @nickplan4855 4 года назад +1

    You really shouldn't compare a double conversion superheterodyne and a direct conversion radios. In terms of selectivity and dynamic range they are not even close to each other. In terms of cost I believe that one 2nd IF 450kHz filter (a black brick in the first radio) cost more than pair of 1846 based walkies. =)

  • @fryode
    @fryode 4 года назад +1

    Strange to hear UHF called CB. CB in the USA is around 27MHz while the UHF version is FRS/GMRS. The USA CB band could be annoying at times because radio-controlled vehicles shared some nearby channels and if a trucker was using an illegal one hung low radio, especially with a similarly illegal amplifier (>4W ERP is illegal here), their transmissions would interfere with whatever RC vehicle you were driving. I had an RC boat that went nuts back in the 1990s and I could hear a trucker talking when I held my ear up to it. I wish I knew which coil was acting like a speaker. Possibly the motors, but I can't be sure. IF I ever find another one of those boats, I aim to find out, but it's been 25 years so I doubt I will. -- I once used a microcassette recorder to record the TYCO/Taiyo "Forward Full Throttle / Turbo" tone from my CB radio, and fed the recording into the mic input on my CB handheld while this cocky neighborhood a-hole was driving his TYCO Bandit. I'd time it just right and make the Bandit slam into walls, huck itself off of jumps, or barrel straight for him. I had it hauling ass down our street when the battery ran out. This was only the first time I engaged in such trolling.

  • @lstein3372
    @lstein3372 4 года назад +3

    Check out the DRA818u walkie talkie module on eBay or aliexpress. It contains the rda1846 chip. It is the only place I've found the chip for sale.
    Larry

    • @lstein3372
      @lstein3372 4 года назад

      @Steve Terry Thanks Steve. I didn't know there was one in the 888. I have never been in one. Larry

  • @gusbert
    @gusbert 4 года назад +1

    Dave a small point, you can't "make" something for a $5 BOM cost, what about manufacturing and test? Also, IMHO designing a product to a specified BOM cost is absolutely the worst way to design product, but this is the only thing a manager can understand, so it is often used as a metric in product design. I couldn't list all the times I've told "those who must be obeyed" this. but it always falls on deaf ears.

  • @antonyprasad5536
    @antonyprasad5536 4 года назад +1

    I bought a kid's walkie talkie just to tear apart and see what's inside, it was just simple 2 transistors FM transmitter and receiver.

  • @linkinpark9812
    @linkinpark9812 4 года назад +1

    I love trying to predict when he'll say "Bob's your uncle".

  • @worldhello1234
    @worldhello1234 4 года назад

    @21:39 It doesn't matter where it is made as long as the quality is good and the pricing competitive. :)

  • @spaceminions
    @spaceminions 4 года назад

    What's impressive to me is that at around the same price as this you can get basic chinese dual-band commercial and ham radios of fairly small size and comparable features to more typical radios, though with poorer performance.

  • @94Gidge
    @94Gidge 4 года назад +2

    a uniden that lasted more than 6 months must of not seen any dust or vibration at all.

  • @derosram9333
    @derosram9333 4 года назад

    Interesting video. I think the diodes in the RF part are a Pin-Diode-Switch, this would also be a cool topic.

  • @ezralimm
    @ezralimm 4 года назад

    24:06 Open the top felt the die cast chassis...and jizzed in my pants. Hahahahaha

  • @catalinalb1722
    @catalinalb1722 4 года назад

    Lovely. Teardown & RF. Great match!!!

  • @thumbwarriordx
    @thumbwarriordx 4 года назад

    >Hair in the thing
    I bought a monitor once with an eyelash laminated somewhere into the layers.
    That is an extra reason to pay for the color-calibration. Can't calibrate a display without turning it on and seeing that glaring flaw.

  • @rjordans
    @rjordans 4 года назад

    Interesting to see the similarities between the old one and the 5W version here!

  • @Etheira
    @Etheira 4 года назад

    The big design difference is the cheaper unit is using later technology direct conversion SDR, the next generations of the 5W model will likely go to an SDR version as well.

  • @TorgeirFredriksen
    @TorgeirFredriksen 4 года назад +2

    The cheap one one is ABS plastic, I assume the expensive one is PA-something, probably glass-fiber reinforced.... Anyway, thanks for the video!

  • @PurityVendetta
    @PurityVendetta 3 года назад

    Good grief, my brother and I would have loved those when we were kids 😁

  • @W9CR
    @W9CR 4 года назад

    You should discus the issue of realizing RF parts in an IC. A VCO, PLL, mixer, receiver, limiter, and IF filter are very hard to make on substrate. This is why the RF performance of the $15 dollar radio is so poor vs. the old or new discrete radio. Things like selectivity, and limiting performance really suck on the sigle chip soultion, whereas the other radios will have no issues in a demanding environment. Mobile flutter (fading) is much more pronounced on the single chip design too.
    All these issues stem from the problems of doing all that RF passive work on the IC.

  • @thebobbit2740
    @thebobbit2740 2 года назад

    Great video... Cheers !!

  • @nonothebot
    @nonothebot 4 года назад +1

    For chrismas I bought a set of 4 UHF WT to my little 8 yo nephew, and I was jealous beacause all I got when I was his age was a pair of standard 27.145MHz walkie talkies, with the 80 cm long telescopic antenna that broke a few days later :(

    • @LarryKapp1
      @LarryKapp1 4 года назад +1

      I had one of those that had three channels. Some other kids in town who I would talk to had real mobile CB radios with 13 channels ( I think that is what they had at the time ). They would go to some other channel they knew I couldn't get on and ditch me .

  • @BEdmonson85
    @BEdmonson85 4 года назад

    That RDA chip is the same one used in pretty much all Chinese made walkie-talkies these days. It's the same one used in the ubiquitous Baofeng UV-5R that the ham radio guys use. That radio is so cheap compared to a name brand Japanese HT, that most folks refer to it as a disposable radio (in the event that it breaks).

  • @Jedda73
    @Jedda73 4 года назад

    Ive got the intermediate design from around 2010 sitting in the junk box. They were great little radios until one of my sons mates blew the arse out of them holding them against each other while transmitting.

  • @Walking_Death
    @Walking_Death 4 года назад

    I've still got the 2 Watt/0.5 Watt version. Still going strong. Also got an earlier version of the little one. AAA batteries don't last very long compared to AAs.

  • @Rob2
    @Rob2 4 года назад

    You can buy ready-made modules (PCBs) with such chips to get a radio which you can connect to your own microcontroller.

    • @rocketman221projects
      @rocketman221projects 4 года назад

      Those modules are not complete. They lack any output filtering and will spew harmonics all over the place unless you add a suitable low pass filter.

  • @JimmyZeng
    @JimmyZeng 3 года назад

    AT1846S and RDA1846 came from two different companies, but both Chinese, a bit funny, the later is used in the ubiquitous Baofeng UV-5R, a ham radio.

  • @antikommunistischaktion
    @antikommunistischaktion 4 года назад +5

    11:23 I wonder if you can get anything off of those serial pads below the asic.

    • @lights-fo8et
      @lights-fo8et 4 года назад

      The two pins next to the serial interface could be SWD pins (normally labeled SWDIO and SWDCLK or TMS and TCK), which means that it's an ARM chip and you may be able to flash custom firmware.

    • @dash8brj
      @dash8brj 4 года назад

      @@lights-fo8et Yes, the sets would probably be programmed for the market they are going to. The antenna and transmitter will have a frequency range it can work at (e.g. 430-480) so they can be programmed to work on the UK frequencies as well as the aussie frequencies. Us hams take it to a whole new level and get radios from ex government and commercial outfits that have moved up to newer gear and repurpose it for the ham bands in a similar fashion, by reprogramming the radio. I have an ex LAPD radio programmed up to listen to UHF CB, and TX/RX on the VK uhf amateur bands.

  • @NivagSwerdna
    @NivagSwerdna 4 года назад

    5W licence free is pretty good. Here in the UK [ and probably in the EU too... ;) ] we have PMR446 which is limited to 500mW like the small hand-held. It's a fun thing to play with for events outside etc.. there are now digital modes but you can squeeze AX25 through analogue it if you are a bit naughty.

    • @nowaymuller6643
      @nowaymuller6643 4 года назад

      the real CB 26 - 27 mhz goes up to 4w am, fm and 12w ssb peak.

  • @borayurt66
    @borayurt66 4 года назад

    CB is not UHF, CB is HF (27 MHz). What you have can be a PMR (446 MHz generally, varies in some countries) or FMR-GMRS (462-467 MHz)

  • @clearz3600
    @clearz3600 4 года назад

    2009 makes sense since that was around the time I remember seeing them radios starting to drop massively in price

  • @AndyFletcherX31
    @AndyFletcherX31 4 года назад

    it is possible that the Tx output of the 1 chip system has an issue with noise and out of channel signals. It may meet the channel mask at 0.5W but would exceed the limits at 5W meaning that they had to go for a discrete solution.

    • @Rob2
      @Rob2 4 года назад

      The advantage of a discrete solution is mainly on the receive side.
      To achieve any sort of selectivity against strong signals on nearby frequencies (like 1-10 channels up or down) you need the IF+filter approach or A/D converters with many more bits (that are more expensive and use more power).

  • @ryantoomey611
    @ryantoomey611 4 года назад

    The metal piece at 6:25 is likely used as a counterpoise for the antenna.

  • @richardhead8264
    @richardhead8264 4 года назад +1

    Hi Dave, other than explicit date codes, what physical characteristics prompt you to conclude at *4:57* that the board was manufactured in the early 2000's? Thanks!

  • @OH8EFI
    @OH8EFI 4 года назад +3

    CB on UHF, only Aussie thing!
    Almost only, but most notably.

    • @Rob2
      @Rob2 4 года назад +1

      In Europe we have PMR on UHF but far fewer channels.
      There is also LPD with similar number of channels but less power (in the 70cm amateur radio band, you know...)

    • @AdamSWL
      @AdamSWL 4 года назад

      Yes almost! The Kiwi's in ZL land get to play with 477Mhz CB too!

  • @MrBrymstond
    @MrBrymstond 4 года назад

    I have various sized versions of these Uniden UHF Walkie Talkies, great for fishing some of mine will hit over 6 to 8 miles over water. Being they take 3 AAA, I'm taking them apart and adding as many rechargeable Lithium cells as possible in parallel even a nice phone battery or two with a TP4056 with protection.

    • @volodumurkalunyak4651
      @volodumurkalunyak4651 4 года назад

      Fun fact: unit, shown here has a clone of 500mA tp4056 li-ion charging ic. Should be li-ion convertable by only replacing battery holder and connector to li-ion cell + mounting

    • @MrBrymstond
      @MrBrymstond 4 года назад

      @@volodumurkalunyak4651 Sure, I would remove the battery compartment and wire as many cells in parallel as possible and hold them down with hot glue. You don't need a 18650, you can use anything that fits like phone cells that carry a hefty amount of mAh's.

  • @klightspeed
    @klightspeed 4 года назад

    15:14 16:04 look at the wording - it looks like the AT1846S "datasheet" copies the blurb word-for-word from the RDA1846 datasheet, only replacing "RDA1846" with "AT1846S"

  • @chrisjones8741
    @chrisjones8741 4 года назад

    Nice, thanks for sharing!
    It looks like the top might come off of that first can instead of the whole can having to come off?
    Also on the commercial unit, you might be able to unscrew the antenna and pull the knobs off, and then the whole board slides out? Instead of unsoldering.

  • @Willam_J
    @Willam_J 4 года назад

    Dave - That datasheet is for the older version of the RF chip. The new version (‘S’ suffix) now covers 200-260MHz, as well. Here’s a link to the new one. Unfortunately, it doesn’t have a date on it. img.ozdisan.com/ETicaret_Dosya/500549_6108302.pdf
    It’s controlled by the micro, which, very conveniently, has its programming pads labeled. It’s absolutely begging for a pogo pin jig and a serial programmer. 😃

  • @raytaylornz
    @raytaylornz 4 года назад

    We used to use these in a department store around 2003. Many of the new ones dont support duplex / repeater mode and the antenna isnt as large - so even though the transmitter puts out 500mw, the antenna means the TX distance isnt as far as the older models, and also the RX distance isnt as far, further reducing the distance between two units. HOWEVER by reducing the channel width from 25khz to 12.5khz then I assume the RX power has increased by 3db so effectively double the recieve distance to make up for the lower EIRP of the transmitting unit.
    The older model also had a 3AA battery back that came with a replacable battery cover with passthrough terminals to connect with the charging base.
    Making a repeater for these is also incredibly hard as the TX and RX frequencies are only something like 750khz apart.

  • @Seegalgalguntijak
    @Seegalgalguntijak 4 года назад

    477MHz isn't CB radio - that's around 27MHz, as far as I can remember. Edit: And proper CB handheld radios are a) still much bigger, and b) start around 100€ here.