How to Replace Geo Pumps?

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  • Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024

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  • @braddsn
    @braddsn 7 месяцев назад +2

    I just subscribed. I do most of my own maintenance on my Geothermal system. I really appreciate you being so thorough. Your videos are life savers. Keep up the great work sir!

  • @jkollar109
    @jkollar109 2 месяца назад +1

    Excellent video, thank you! One of my pumps is down and apparently "you need a new system" is the professional diagnosis. Your videos are exactly what I needed!

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 месяца назад

      So glad you watch my video so glad I was able to help.Thank you for watching

  • @hlanceboyd
    @hlanceboyd Год назад +2

    AMAZING. Shout-out to Tad and his channel. I subscribed to his phone support, and probably saved > $4000 thanks to him. My story follows.
    I live in Virginia. I noticed my electric bills this past winter went from $200-$300 per month to almost $1000. We just installed an outdoor hottub, so I thought that was the problem. When we turned the A/C on this spring, it was not working. The diagnosis from an HVAC company was bad loop pumps, which explains what happened this winter. No water was circulating in the loop, and the heater went to electric backup. Had no idea. The HVAC quote to replace both pumps and purge/recharge the loop was $4500. I was also quoted $250 to replace the capacitor. Something didn't seem right so I did a little investigation and found Tad's videos. That's when I knew I could do it myself.
    This job was really simple. I found 2 replacement pumps from Geo-Hydro (they are great to, they love Tad, and they have techs who can also help troubleshoot installation of their products). I replaced 2 blown 10amp fuses to the pumps so got power restored, and then replaced the pumps (only 1 was bad, but decided to replace both anyways - 18 year old system). But water was still leaking. Turns out the flow center (which is made of cast iron) had rusted and decayed a bit and had developed leaks, hence the loop could not maintain a charge. Both Tad and Geo-Hydro helped me along the way. All in I spent about $1300 on parts.
    I bought a loop pressure/recharge tool for $50 online, and now had everything I needed to complete the job. I had to apply some heat (blow torch) to get the loop threaded fittings to loosen from the old flow center, and used a heat gun to soften the black poly lines so I could wrench-out the fittings, then mounted the new flow center and replaced the fittings and tightened up all the hose clamps. Recharged the loop with water, no leaks, and holding almost 70 PSI of pressure.
    Because my loop comes into the unit from the ceiling above, only a few feet of water was released when I unhookd the flow center. Tad didn't think a loop purge was necessary, and he walked me through recharging the loop, bleeding/burbing the pumps, and testing the system. I burped the lines and within a few minutes I had steady pressure at 65PSI and no fluctations. The pressure differential from loop input to output was only 1-2 PSI, so all good. After 1 day the pressure is holding at 65 PSI and the cooling system is back online so I am happy.
    What was a $4500 quote for 2 pumps and a purge would have turned much more expensive when the HVAC company found the leaky flow center. I am sure the next quote would have been $1000s of additional dollars for a new flow center, making this job probably $6k-$7k. I got it done for $1300 and probably saved $5k, and now have the ability to monitor the loop pressure with my pressure guage tester so I don't have any surprises like this last winter. Oh, and the capacitor that they wanted to replace was perfectly fine.
    I could not recommend Tad more. He was super nice, quick to respond, and spot on with his guidance. Geo-Hydro was great too.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад

      This is awesome
      Thank you, Lance, for trusting me.
      Thank you for giving me the chance to help you.

    • @hlanceboyd
      @hlanceboyd 8 месяцев назад

      @@TaddyDigest Tad, I have a new problem, hoping for your help. I sent you a text message, but will repeat here. The fuse in my attic air handler (5-amp with 24 volt) keeps blowing. What could be shorted? can you help me isolate the source of the short? thanks, Lance

  • @ronu6724
    @ronu6724 10 месяцев назад +1

    You can lose pressure in ground loop with heat cycles with no leaks. On my system the pipe stretches gust enough to lose pressure on new system. You can install a reservoir or pressure tank or check and fill every 6 months like i do. Great video

  • @samersarah957
    @samersarah957 2 года назад +3

    Thank you Taddy I’m enjoyed in this video I’m very love geothermal.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад

      So glad thank you for letting me know I really appreciate you watching the video please let me know what I can do better

  • @weathertrainsrandomniss1083
    @weathertrainsrandomniss1083 Год назад +1

    I am 4 years in with a geothermal unit. This last cold snap with wind took my loop feild temp down. Looking for ways to make it more efficient. Not alot of content. Stumbled upon your channel. Working my way through your content. Cheers from Wisconsin.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад

      thanks for watching

    • @imtheonevanhalen1557
      @imtheonevanhalen1557 Год назад

      Lay down foam board (sounds like it isn't deep enough, so you need more insulation....) and cover it with 12 inches of soil.

    • @weathertrainsrandomniss1083
      @weathertrainsrandomniss1083 Год назад

      @@imtheonevanhalen1557 I have an excavator now. Planning to make a French drain over the end of the loop field to dispose of my sump pump water and help with heat exchange.

  • @DerekJohnson-j8n
    @DerekJohnson-j8n 11 месяцев назад +1

    Just joined. I’m replacing a small 1 ton unit in my bonus room. It only has a single ground loop pump. Will introducing new water to the system (to replace lost water that was in the old heat pump) and allowing the pump to run with the vent screw off be sufficient to remove the air. Also, the unit is in the attic and has no valve before the pump.

  • @CanadianBrewingChannel
    @CanadianBrewingChannel 2 года назад +3

    I am an HVAC mechanic. Just bought a home with a water furnace ground loop system. I never worked on ground source heat pumps before. How do you know what your glycol ratio is at when you keep adding water to that system? Do you use a tool for testing the percentage of glycol to water? Great video!

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад +2

      Hydrometer for Alcohols
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    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад +2

      I use Propylene Glycol

    • @CanadianBrewingChannel
      @CanadianBrewingChannel 2 года назад +1

      @@TaddyDigest I may need a ground loop pump. I noticed your pumps came with the volute attached. When I searched my pump (Grundfos Pump - UP26-116F) it comes with the volute attached. There is another pump that looks the same but has a class "H" instead of mine that has a class "F". I think the letter refers to the max heat the pump motor is rated for. The UP26-116 (Single Speed), No Volute has the "H" rating and I am not sure why. Do you think it matters if I use the higher rated pump? I love this video by the way! Extremely well done. Cheers

  • @jamesgeoghegan7789
    @jamesgeoghegan7789 2 года назад +1

    Just the video I needed. Was able to confirm a bad pump. I ordered a replacement pump now I just need to wait with no AC until it arrives.
    I was worried that there was going to be pluming fittings to deal with...
    It's always something on a holiday.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад

      Hey James so glad this video helped you please I encourage you to hit the like button and share the video
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    • @jamesgeoghegan7789
      @jamesgeoghegan7789 2 года назад +1

      @@TaddyDigest I'm just a dumb medical physicist. We get trained in school and on the job not to mess with the electricity and the plumbing in our treatment units. We have the kinds of voltages that kill you by throwing you body across the room and smashing it against the concert wall. This respect just carries over from work to home.
      I hit he like button.

    • @jamesgeoghegan7789
      @jamesgeoghegan7789 2 года назад +1

      My problems started with a low "pressure lock" out that I tracked back to a very hot pump body. We lost power for a bit over night and this may have just been the pumps final insult.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад

      Thank you so much for hitting the like button
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      You're smart

  • @isaacfoster2178
    @isaacfoster2178 2 месяца назад +1

    the “star” bit you spoke about is called torx bit youll notice they are sized at t5,t10,t15,t20,t25,t27 on up there is a t27 and also a t47 other than those they are sized in multiples of 5 i was 40 years old when i learned that hopefully somebody on here gets this information earlier in life than i lol

  • @MikeHammond-m7f
    @MikeHammond-m7f Год назад +4

    Just a couple things when changing pumps you were ok in your steps up to when after the new pumps where installed you then rotated the 3 way valve to the operating position that opened the loop to where you just removed the pumps a large amount of air is now going in to the loop!!! You should have left the 3 way valve in the position of unit side only used the 1" flush ports connected a garden hose to one side and another hose to the other side going to a drain both hoses with valves and flushed just the flow center to unit coax with a hose so air was not introduced to the loop. Now the only way that job will not be a problem is to re flush with a flush cart. Air in a closed loop will simulate a leak for ever air is compressible water is not. After you flushed with a garden hose for a while then you dead head the return hose(one going to the drain) you then rotate the 3 way valve with the hose connected to the water source to both unit and loop and flush port then rotate the 3 way valve on the return side to operating position closing off the flush port then lastly rotate the 3 way valve on the water hose feeding the system if you leave a pressure gauge in the PT port you will see you will have household water pressure on the whole system and no air introduced. Thanks.

  • @billybell6950
    @billybell6950 Год назад +1

    Bought a place with both air and earth source heat pumps. They explained their are three separate geo pits but a plumber got into them by accident. Only one unit works. Just running the air source but would like to see the whole thing working. What a waste. I suspect no local hvac companies knew what to do so they opted to put in the air source. Everyth ing is still their on the water geo side. I'm crazy enough to try to figure it out and restore the system. But don't know where to start. You sound encouraging. How hard could it be ? All the heavy lifting is there already.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад +1

      Not too hard just got to know where to start
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  • @IRIEM00N
    @IRIEM00N 2 года назад +3

    Like to get that guide!

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад

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  • @outinthesticks1035
    @outinthesticks1035 Год назад +1

    Hi , I plan to join as soon as I get a credit card
    Just wondering if I am going the correct direction with my diagnosis
    Have a water furnace , dual capable system , 6 ton
    It started giving trouble in the summer , on cooling mode . I noticed the line going to ground loop was very hot ( didn't measure temp , likely abt. 100f )
    Now it shuts off on low pressure
    I measured temp of ground loop lines , both are at 62 f
    Compressor discharge is 100f
    I am thinking the pumps might be not working , will check to see if they are turning

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад

      Definitely check and make sure the pumps are on
      Make sure you use a water gauge to check the water pressure.
      And definitely join because I have a guide i need to send you.

  • @userwoodsman1115
    @userwoodsman1115 2 года назад +1

    I am a HVAC guy that is working on my old water furnace ATV028 it has an older control center with the valves on the side with a 3/8” outie with the T marked on the stem . I am trying to replace the pump without bothering anything else . It’s pressure system with a closed loop as far as I know . Hoping the tap with the hammer gets the motor off . Then hoping I find a replacement. Got the filling/ pressure test tool as well hoping the loop isn’t leaking .

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад +1

      Wishing you Good Luck my Friend

    • @userwoodsman1115
      @userwoodsman1115 2 года назад +1

      @@TaddyDigest I got that POS off it was on there . Wish I was ten years younger and had a better back . They installed it in the best spot with zero room next to the H20 heater . Your video helped a lot thanks again .

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад

      Well you got it off man awesome
      You're welcome
      thank you for watching Please hit the like button

  • @edf.847
    @edf.847 11 месяцев назад +1

    Tadd I have a 33 year old 5 ton water furnace, it runs fine no one in my area seems to know about waterfurnace, where can I get that needle pressure gauge and what pressure should the line be at thanks bro. good video

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  11 месяцев назад

      Hey brother I can help you
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  • @channelcatchaser9426
    @channelcatchaser9426 2 года назад +2

    Did you introduce air into the loop doing that way?

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  2 года назад +1

      Air will get sucked in if there is no water flowing

  • @userwoodsman1115
    @userwoodsman1115 2 года назад +1

    I cannot get the impeller off . Mine broke the same as your buy mine is an oldie . It’s a Grundfos pump 26-99f that’s on there so I believe it’s been changed prior . Going for another go after the bleeding stops .

  • @hlanceboyd
    @hlanceboyd Год назад +1

    Taddy, just became a phone member. I have a few questions related to Geo pumps, how best to connect with you? thanks, Lance.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад

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  • @jamieloy9384
    @jamieloy9384 3 месяца назад +1

    Liked, suscribed and notified my friend! Enjoyed your video and would love a copy of that guide, thanks in advance.

  • @loveeveryone8057
    @loveeveryone8057 3 месяца назад +1

    I joined

  • @hlanceboyd
    @hlanceboyd Год назад +1

    replacing pumps, have a question.
    I wanted to check power to the pump just to be sure. I set the thermostats really low to be sure the A/C engaged. The status lights on the control panel light up, with the Status led flashing green. when the fan kicked in I check voltage at the pump and there was none. Could it be they detect some fault elsewhere and the relays are not closing? Before I order new pumps I just want to be sure there is not an issue elsewhere.
    BTW, the system is a Waterfurnace Series 7 I believe (waterfurnace model E072TA111NBDSSA)

    • @hlanceboyd
      @hlanceboyd Год назад

      Taddy, if I sign up for Phone Number Access, I can call you with questions? trying to understand an issue with power at the pumps.

  • @rhidalgo902
    @rhidalgo902 Год назад +1

    I joined. My question is about getting air out of the water loop. Thanks

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    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад

      check out my video on how to use a flush cart I also have a geothermal training guide I can send you if you join

  • @TonyRodriguez-ok2ix
    @TonyRodriguez-ok2ix 4 месяца назад +2

    engineers are on a good one.🤓

  • @mackschmidt4950
    @mackschmidt4950 Год назад +1

    Does it matter if I use a 1/16" or 1/8" probe for filling?. Both seem to fit.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад +1

      Shouldn't matter if they fit, then that will work.

  • @kasfazliu-ty1yh
    @kasfazliu-ty1yh Год назад +1

    If one pump runs really hot is that normal or do I need to replace just one or both??

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    @goejayhova Год назад +1

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  • @nshatta77
    @nshatta77 Год назад +1

    Like to get that guide! " I joined"

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  • @stevencovington1776
    @stevencovington1776 Год назад +1

    Do have a video on maintancing water source heatpump.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад

      I do have several videos on water source heat pumps and how to add water how to use a flush card how to add a reducing valve how to replace A Desuper heater, a indoor coil and et cetera

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  • @Hickory_Ridge_Taxidermy
    @Hickory_Ridge_Taxidermy 2 года назад +1

    Just bought a house. With Geo. I’m new to this. All of a sudden The air coming out of the registers are bearly cool. House is 84. Both pumps seem to be running. I pulled the filter and it was clean. But behind the filter. There is some icing up. Any suggestions?

    • @TaddyDigest
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    • @matthewjeffrey1997
      @matthewjeffrey1997 Год назад +1

      For a Geothermal Unit the air on you supply is going to be a lower temp than a gas furnace. The air being introduced to your room is generally 95F. A more comfortable air. There is a 20-30 temp difference (supply and return) we shoot for. If there is ice built up on coils the unit may be low on charge.

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  Год назад

      Thank you so much for this great knowledge thank you for sharing my friend

  • @ShugarMeat
    @ShugarMeat 7 месяцев назад +1

    lemme get that guide my boi 😝

  • @ryangarner1277
    @ryangarner1277 Месяц назад

    Why did you not burp the pumps and air out of flow center before opening 3 way valves to ground loop. Looks like you just allowed air to now get into to loop.

  • @mobleyMobley
    @mobleyMobley 11 месяцев назад +1

    my loop loses pressure, the waterfurance dealer that installed it said the the loop expands on contracts and needs to be re pressurized. they installed it in 2013 and re-pressured it 2 years ago and the pumps are cavitating again. is it becuae a leak in loop or is it normal to need to re pressurize? i also am showing an E10 error on thermostat

    • @TaddyDigest
      @TaddyDigest  11 месяцев назад +1

      You definitely need to repressurize . It's probably because they did not use a flush cart when they installed it.

    • @mobleyMobley
      @mobleyMobley 11 месяцев назад

      @TaddyDigest they said they did use a flush cart when installed, but the loop can still stretch, so they need to do the cart again after they did the simple water injection method to 60 psi, they are coming this week as it has been throwing an e10 error. Could the loop be leaking? It is a major waterfurnace dealer here in sw michigan, been dealers for 30 + years.

    • @mobleyMobley
      @mobleyMobley 11 месяцев назад

      @TaddyDigest should i just buy the little petes port water injector and pressurize it each year? The system is under warranty until December.

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    @brandoncorrea511 8 месяцев назад +1

    How u join? What link

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  • @paulsheehy6884
    @paulsheehy6884 Год назад

    I joined. Could use your help. Geothermal. In heat mode. Refrigerant lines leaving internal coax Heat exchanger iced up. Plenty of water flow. 1.5 ton Open loop. Water in 50, water out 45. Could I be low in refrigerant? (R22 system) Thanks

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  • @Capturing-Memories
    @Capturing-Memories 2 года назад +1

    You put new pumps and haven't even attempted to clean up the housing from the junk that was in it?

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