Not really.. honestly idk why people just suddenly drew the line with NewJeans and acted like this is a totally new thing that's never been done before, lots of guy and girl groups had kids at 15 and 16 debuting way before them.
It's funny how we normalise this . As a teacher it is very concerning when they look up to these idols. Age and physical appearance the entire thing is so stressful on teenagers growing up who want to be like them but don't know the half of it. Thank you for putting this out there . We need more of this.
I'm also a teacher and I completely agree. I was a former dancer as a kid and up till like college. I still support the performing arts but I went through eating disorders and so many body issues that girls don't even realize the consequences of sadly. I enjoy kpop but it concerns me with some of their ages as well.
And I known how bad kpop is since I was their age. No one forced them into the industry. Especially since most of the members were already known/famous before debuting because they had child careers like modeling. So they knew and they still continued to achieve their dreams. That’s how bad they wanted it
Kpop Industry is so problematic in so many different ways. I genuinely hope more people regonize that instead of just simping because the idols are so visually attractive.
Kpop is a fad so it will eventually die out like all fads do. K-pop has been around for decades, it's not new at all. People are only interested in it or pretending to be because they want to be a part of what's popular and current. Gangnam Style came out pretty much 10 years ago and everyone didn't obsess over Kpop then, they just liked that one song. Because that one song was popular, and they weren't really interested in that kind of music. Kpop is popular to Americans in the same way that Japan is, just in a trendy way but they don't really care about the culture.
@@amber619pop something tells me you’re definitely an American. You have that bubble mindset where you think that the west = the world. Even if the “fad” dies in the west, the K-pop industry will still be a huge corporation. Before it even became talked about in the west, it was still very popular all throughout Asia and other places. And will remain that way as it’s been for decades. So basically if and when it dies out in “the west” aka America nothing would change except your exposure to it. It’s toxicity will still be romanticized by all the other K-pop loving countries. You gotta remember the American audience is a lot smaller than most of the other international audiences. Meaning the K-pop industry will still have a huge market to sell its toxicity to.
I got introduced to K-pop with Shinee’s Lucifer and was shocked to learn Taemin was 16 years old and had debuted at 14 🤯 Years later he talker’s d about how he hadn’t wanted to debut that young and missed out on important life milestones 😢.
@@JetteSwan not having friends your age is sadly common among idols who debuted young in their teens... there are other idols who have also mentioned not having any friends their age/not having many friends outside of their idol group
Thank you!!!! This needed to said. I have students who say "age is just a number..." To which I respond, "Only if all parties are legal adults." If you're a child under 18, then age absolutely matters, and we need to stop sexualizing children. I KNOW it isn't just Kpop , but thanks for calling it out.
Ironic how everyone was upset when Netflix released that movie "Cuties" because they were all children, but when it's in music it's perfectly acceptable.
ador released a statement explaining the meaning behind the song. baking cookies is supposed to be a metaphor for burning CDs. they're just singing about making their music and how much effort they put behind it
Its not so much the community, its more of the companies themselves, but if ppl are looking at the kpop groups in the wrong way, then yes, that is concerning
i genuinely love newjeans' music and the members are very lovable, but it does concern me how young hyein is... ik ppl say it's the life she chose but even tho she wanted to be an idol is it really okay to have someone born in 2008 debuting like this,,,, i'm aware past idols like taemin have also debuted at 14 but that doesn't mean it's ok... taemin even has talked about how he felt like he missed out on teenage experiences debuting so young
It's a little weird to see a girl my age look older than me and be in this industry. If with the pandemic I already lost important experiences that I would like to live, imagine what it would be like if I were working. Especially if that job is singing and dancing while being watched by adults? That sounds kinda creepy
Even in the past when kids debuted that young, it was still wrong but at *least* they had some older folks that they could lean on and trust, not just other kids their age
@@lemonatet ye like it’s itzy, Yuna debuted at 15 but her unnies Lia and Yeji were already nearing 20 so that’s fine, the oldest member of NewJeans is literally 18, just entered adulthood.
actually about the joke about really young trainees, this actually happens like lightsum's juhyeon joined cube ent when she was TEN and the company SCOUTED her like it wasnt her initial decision they really came to a 10 yr old and said join our company
and it is messed up. the scout is a person that finds kids attractive. that's thr only examination.. normal people don't find kids attractive like that.. it's messed up thrb ore you think about it.
@@npcimknot958 bruh what whats wrong with thinking a kid is pretty im a kid i think my friends are pretty and attractive whats wrong with that????????1?1?1?
as a 22 years old, accidentally into kpop cause mamamoo and i love old group. so I find psy, uhm jung hwa, rain, Jessie, boa more catchy, attractive and cool
You’re so right that it’s always been this way. Taemin debuted super young, Jessica and Krystal were scouted when they were tweens. The pattern is really apparent.
You forgot Jung kook... He was debuted with bts since 15 years old, BoA also already made a soloist debut and saved SM from bankruptcy since 13 years old. Kpop industry was really not that healthy, that's what the point of concerns
@@aiskasalsabila2221 the point is , before when two - three idols in a group were 14-15 , the rest of the members were adults for example in bts , jk was 15 but the oldest jin was 20 , old enough to take care of other members, on other hand new jeans oldest member is just 18 just entered adulthood
@@superstar-su7fg Let’s be honest JK got really, REALLY lucky that those guys raised him well He could easily have been turned into a monster, Seungri also debuted at 15
BoA debuted at 13 years old, Taemin at 14 years old just like her, Jungkook at 15 so it was always like this and I can say many more who debuted at a young age. It's not okay however the girls have already debuted. The only thing to do is ask the company that they have songs that wouldn't give dirty minded people other ideas. Although it's good to bring awareness about kpop idols debuting young, only taking Newjeans as an example as if it was the newest and most shocking thing is beyond me. And for people who are uncomfortable when looking at them because they're older than them then I must ask how did they feel when Taemin, Jungkook, Krystal debuted and how they looked at them. The other excuse they bring up is "at least there were older members in the group". That doesn't change the fact that the member in question is still young. Where was this enthusiasm for these other idols ? But I guess better late than never smh. So yeah if people wanna talk about an issue do it fairly and say and recognize the fact that it has been happening for years... And I must ask how is sexualizing idols the way people do okay just because the member is 18-20 or smthg ? Like some creeps waiting for an idol to hit 18 to start talking about nasty things over them. They would just be sitting and a lot of you guys would be "omg the way they're breathing is" or comments like "my ovaries. I want x to have my babies" etc like they're some sex objects to fantasize on assuming they wouldn't be uncomfortable while looking at those comments because "they're of age. They're not babies/innocent. It was expected of them. It comes with the job" The hypocrisy...
I wish I could like this video 100 times. Really happy to see this being addressed. Here are some lyrics from their song cookie: "If you want it, you can get it, if you want it", "(Keep) looking at my cookie" "taste it" "Take it, don't break it, I wanna see you taste it", "Sugar, I got sugar" Their management addressed it and said its an innocent song about "baking cookies with fans". Lets play the devils advocate here, if its about baking cookies, why is it always referring to one singular "cookie" and not "cookies"? Why do they refer to "boy" multiple times in the song? And another thing, they said their debut songs follow a storyline. So okay, attention is about having a crush on someone and looking for their attention. Then hype boy, which is about the beginning puppy love in a relationship. And then cookie is about "baking cookies for fans". And then Hurt is about the break up. yeah, that totally makes sense. Their management is not only filled with pedophiles, they also think we're stupid enough to fall for any of this. Poor girls.
Also how long can you stick your head in the sand and just pretend that cookie isn’t slang for vagina 😬 because it is. That’s just the disgusting truth.
I was a 12 years old stanning a bunch of 24-30 years old dudes and now I'm 23 years old stanning those 34-40 years old dudes. Companies should stop debuting minors when there are a lot of skilled adult trainees who WILL attract fans given they're promoted well or have good skills.
as a girl high schooler nwjs stan it was so uncomfy knowing that hyein was younger than me and seeing that vid of the middle aged man looking so in love with them at the fanmeet was so creepy
As much as I want to stan New Jeans because of the buzz around their music it just feels wrong to do so. It's weird cause there was such prominent discussion around this when the survival show "My teenage Girl" was airing but now it's nowhere to be found. Not only New Jeans but CLASS:y too. In addition, there are some people who are saying that these young girls should be allowed to follow their passion disregarding how the kpop industry is gonna treat them. Especially with girls these young in an industry that has such toxic diet standards we are just waiting for mental health issues
They treat 30+ people as if they were so old they can't do anything and they asumme people wouldn't pay attention to them because they would be boring. I think what brings me attention to a kpop group is their music and concepts not their age 😐 When I discovered how old NewJeans members were I got very uncomfortable, specially after listening to cookie because I'm the same age as youngest member, so yeah...I can't imagine how they study and work at the same time because I already struggle A LOT with school.
I will say that I liked NewJeans debut up until they released "Cookie." The lyrics and imagery of "Attention" and "Hype Boy" are more age appropriate and fun, and I found them refreshing and interesting. "Cookie" creeped me out, and I really wondered what the company was thinking for that one.
The fact that they're trainees and they're 6. Like, your main concern at that age should be trying to stay awake later than 9 pm and watching TV for five more minutes, so on, so forth.
thanks for talking about this. i remember when newjeans debuted everyone was like "omg they're so young! this is wrong!" but then quickly got over it and starting stanning them. like bruh, its still wrong, why r u supporting them now. like, i get the kids probably had little to no choice in the matter, and yes their music is good, but promoting and following the band just shows their management that its acceptable for them to subject these children to this bc kpop stans enjoy it. and ik this has been a problem in the industry for a long time but when does it end? they keep getting away with it bc we keep fueling their careers. kids deserve to just be kids and experience normal childhoods, not be scrutinized or sexualized over every move they make. this kind of stuff is already really damaging to older kpop artists' mental and physical health. just think about how it must affect these kids whose brains and bodies are still developing. there's a reason why child labor laws exist agh. okay, rant over. sorry, this kind of thing just really pisses me off, and i needed to get that off my chest.
Totally agree, it's revolting I've seen many stans complain how "their poor idols are so mistreated by the company, so they have to support them"... Like, what? Don't they see they are supporting the company as well? I think the industry promotes that image of the idols, like, showing how much they exhaust themselves practicing, starve themselves...and let the people put the blame on the company because it will move fans to pity and support the group 🤦🏻♀️ it's really messed up Oh, and don't forget, this kind of comments we are doing is "hating behavior", we're just " jealous of their success" 💀
THAT WAS A HARD SPILL AND MY EXACT THOUGHTS k-pop stans are hypocrites they'll eat up everything once it appeals to them not looking into what their behaviour is doing to those children.
His point reminded me of the fact that only elementary/middle/high schoolers are chosen to save the world from otherworldly/magical devastation. That's right anime I'm looking at you!
it’s sad because nwjns isn’t even the first instance of this happening in the kpop industry. idols have debuted at 14-15 for many years now and they’ll probably continue to do so. when nwjns debuted, i like everyone else liked their music because it’s really catchy and nice to listen to, but i certainly felt uncomfortable listening to cookie. i’m only 20 years old myself but because i know how these girls will be viewed from their "older fans" inevitably it makes me want to vomit. i’m simply worried for them. there was an instance short after their debut when during their fan sign event, there was an old man who was a "fan" of them...
This is my favourite video of yours. It brings attention to a very important subject. I watched the clip of New Jeans singing that cookie song and was creeped out.
They should be a law that you can debut until you are 18 international age. Training can start from age 15 and mandatory 3 year training before debuting
thanks for bringing awareness to this topic. a bunch of dumb and naive people are actually defending min heejin for the controversy saying "iTs aBoUt CdS" like cmon bffr the people behind all this knew damn well what they were doing. its honestly sick seeing grown adults doing this, makes me lose faith in humanity even more.
SM tried to scout Krystal Jung f(x) when she was FIVE. YEARS. OLD. Her parents said no and her older sister Jessica joined Girls Generation. Then Krystal debuted at 14 anyway.
The problem is that no matter how many ppl voice their opinion nowdays, it isint enough to change ppl from stanning grps like new jeans… it’s the same grp of ppl who says “we need to protect them” who end up supporting them and buying their albums and streaming their songs. If u rly want to help the girls, stop stanning the grp, stop listening to their songs and don’t support them - make it clear that we don’t encourage minors debuting so if the public opinion is so strong and sales fall then the agency will themselves understand that it is not doing them any good to debut minors and this will only help the girls as they won’t have to go through the harshness of the industry at a young age. I’d rather have the group disband if necessary instead of having creepy old guys fantasize about these girls… and the girls are talented so it’s not like the company will just throw such talent away, so if netizens rly show the power of their opinion, we could get groups like new jeans to debut late. Honestly I wonder what Danielle’s parents (since she has a western background) must be thinking after hearing their daughter sing cookie 👀
Spilling facts as always!! And also the idols they miss their own normal teenage life which is kinda sad ! And teens set standard of BEAUTY TO THEM WHATEVER ITS KINDA MESSED UP
The same problem is in sports - figure skating, jymnastic and so on. Even worse - sporsmen quit at about 17-18, when their body grows and changes. Succesfull singers at least are able to continue as they become older
It's seriously stressing that they've allowed trainees to be this young, even from JK of BTS, Bambam of GOT7, txt?....I hoped they'd change overtime but sadly
I love the way you take the initiative and spreading awareness about this matter. Keep doing the great work. 👏K-pop is actually damaging kids nowadays, sad truth, this hype is not good...
It's sad that the industry work like this. Hiring so many kids, starving them, basically not giving them any free time, working out and studying all day long to become the best. No wonder many of them faint on stages, look malnourished and are depressed. 😞
The bit with the pregnancy made me laugh. On that note, it reminded me a bit of MAMADOL, the members were "moms who were stars but had to leave the entertainment industry". It's just a shame they disbanded after the final episode of the reality TV show they were in instead of actually pursuing it (the contract probably forced their hand, though I'm curious if any of them wanted to actually stay). It would be nice if motherhood/fatherhood (and maybe even relationships and marriage, but that seems to be too much for the rampant parasocial relationships in KPOP) was what was normalized in the industry and not... idols debuting before they even turn 16
The fact that even back in 2013 when BTS were debuting Jin was already basically done with university... and now in 2022 we have 13 year olds debuting and dancing AT universities? Honestly a uni-age idol debuting is almost unheard of nowadays. And the fact that trainees are basically 10 or so now is extremely worrying. As if a 10 year old understands the stress their chosen career might put on them. Or that they're likely gonna be used by these companies and sexualised for profit as minors. I mean not to call out specifically but Wonyoung was 13 when she was dancing Side to Side (a song about being f***ed so hard that you end up "walking side to side") on Produce 48, eventually winning and debuting at 14. That performance went viral iirc. P Nation just tried to debut a 12 year old CHILD after their survival show Loud, and stopped because of backlash. Like am I insane or is no one else talking/caring about this lol
Being a kpop idol is a entry level gateway into the entertainment industry kind of like disney channel stars. Their target demographic are teens so the idols are meant to be younger while having their company guide them on what to do. There are older musicians and soloists in the industry who operate according to their own artistic vision and would be offended by the title "idol" cause they are referred to as "artists" instead.
if it helps, Brave girls have members who are late 20s to early 30s but sadly that's because they debuted in mid 2010s and one of their old songs Rollin' came to life I believe in 2020 and they continued as a group again, else I don't think they would continue their careers which is sad. Ageism is so bad there honestly, even if you're past 25, you're apparently old.
To me new jeans was the last straw, people have been saying this for years about kpop, they are always manufacturing all these new groups and exploiting kids, there's already too many groups and they keep training kids to get rid of the old groups once they get old. Kids starving themselves to look good ... thank God I grew out of my kpop phase.
i'm glad you're brining attention to this, it's a real issue and not as many people as i'd like are talking about it. I do want to support young artists chasing their dream, but i cannot support the newer groups being debuted, not as an attack towards them , but merely towards the company
I mean, it's great that you have limits, but what's so great with "young artist that have dreams" when their dream is being idolized? If, like many recognize, the idol life is so bad, then why is it a good thing for young people to dream about having it? I think it's already a bad sign when children and teens want that
Damn this video needs to blow up cuz it is NOT ok, and imagine them performing for the military?? Where the only audience are men even older than university students??
This gives the same energy as, "Oh, I'm a hands-off, presenter pimp. If someone sleeps with the underage human, they're the problem not me. I only present the package. My hands are totally clean."
Everytime we even think about saying anything about how problematic New Jeans is, as a group not the girls, the fandom comes thru with the old "you're jealous" excuse
Btw the group of boys over 30 that's becoming a huge success is named Forestella, most of them are already married and they seem to be pretty decent people
3:07 straight facts! When I was 18 I accidentally went on a cpl “dates” with a guy 10 yrs older than me🤦♀️ We were both part of a club at the university & I assumed it was just hanging out cuz that’s what college peepz do. He was nothing but kind & respectful-but for me it was still just kinda awkward & I’m glad I broke it off 😅
It's a very serious topic to discuss about and i really appreciate the way u represent it . And shoud have to be stop like they aren't even teen they were literally kids when they were traini
When i at first glance, saw the girl in 0:34 i also thought the same thing about her age until i found out that she is actually 2 years younger than me 💀
They made a point for it to become the headline 'the youngest member to ever debut' and so it became younger and younger every time cause they want to break the record 😐
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kpop back then: oppa!!! noona!!!
kpop now: *visibly uncomfortale*
Exactly! 😩😩😩
dongsaeng!! lmao
@@liagamer4265 i frel bad about laugjing
And people wonder why there are so many pedophiles now in existence compared to before.
Not really.. honestly idk why people just suddenly drew the line with NewJeans and acted like this is a totally new thing that's never been done before, lots of guy and girl groups had kids at 15 and 16 debuting way before them.
It's funny how we normalise this . As a teacher it is very concerning when they look up to these idols. Age and physical appearance the entire thing is so stressful on teenagers growing up who want to be like them but don't know the half of it. Thank you for putting this out there . We need more of this.
I'm also a teacher and I completely agree. I was a former dancer as a kid and up till like college. I still support the performing arts but I went through eating disorders and so many body issues that girls don't even realize the consequences of sadly. I enjoy kpop but it concerns me with some of their ages as well.
Agreed
They did pick the life they wanted they know what’s coming
But they're too young to fully realize what that entails? Hello?
And I known how bad kpop is since I was their age. No one forced them into the industry. Especially since most of the members were already known/famous before debuting because they had child careers like modeling. So they knew and they still continued to achieve their dreams. That’s how bad they wanted it
What's weird is that when an idol debut at the age of 22 or 23 they are considered old 😶
Exactly, I literally saw a K-pop stan calling an 18 year old ancient💀
It goes way back. Irene was 23 when RV debuted, and even back then people commented she was "too old" to debut.
And in western pop it’s normal to get big from 18-27. 😂 I’m so uncomfortable about 12 year old pop stars.
Yes exactly and most of the time 22-23 year olds are the fresh out of college, generally younger people. Entertainment Industry is a scary place.
people calling sakura, yujin (kep1er) and irene hags when they’re not even old
All jokes aside, this is a really good way to bring attention to a serious topic. Well done.
jungkook debuted when he was 15 and he trained when he was 13, and don't get me started on g-drangon.
I- I shouldn't... GOT ME LOOKING FOR ATTENTIONNNNNNNNNN
agreed
Ike
The same with boystory
Kpop Industry is so problematic in so many different ways. I genuinely hope more people regonize that instead of just simping because the idols are so visually attractive.
Kpop is a fad so it will eventually die out like all fads do. K-pop has been around for decades, it's not new at all. People are only interested in it or pretending to be because they want to be a part of what's popular and current. Gangnam Style came out pretty much 10 years ago and everyone didn't obsess over Kpop then, they just liked that one song. Because that one song was popular, and they weren't really interested in that kind of music. Kpop is popular to Americans in the same way that Japan is, just in a trendy way but they don't really care about the culture.
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@@amber619pop nah it’s been there for 20+ years in Korea it’s hard unless sth happens
@@amber619pop something tells me you’re definitely an American. You have that bubble mindset where you think that the west = the world. Even if the “fad” dies in the west, the K-pop industry will still be a huge corporation. Before it even became talked about in the west, it was still very popular all throughout Asia and other places. And will remain that way as it’s been for decades. So basically if and when it dies out in “the west” aka America nothing would change except your exposure to it. It’s toxicity will still be romanticized by all the other K-pop loving countries. You gotta remember the American audience is a lot smaller than most of the other international audiences. Meaning the K-pop industry will still have a huge market to sell its toxicity to.
@@amber619pop "kpop has been around for decades" "kpop is a fad that will die out" make up ur mind lol
When the pregnant woman started dancing I fell on the floor laughing-💀💀
Literally💀😭
Pls I laughed so hard ,"I'm on the next lebel" 🤣😭😭😭😭
🧍🏾♀️at least we can finally say that most of us are older than the idols-
@You're welcome the only thing that isn’t good is your school grades kid.
Is this really better;
Why would we be proud to say that haha
awkward to say that these idols are the same age as me.. some even younger
Lol I'm also 2008 so I'm the youngest member's age and I cannot imagine putting in this much work and effort and giving up on everything else🤯
I got introduced to K-pop with Shinee’s Lucifer and was shocked to learn Taemin was 16 years old and had debuted at 14 🤯 Years later he talker’s d about how he hadn’t wanted
to debut that young and missed out on important life milestones 😢.
As well as many other ones who debuted this young
Hyuna also talks about how she never had a normal teenage experience or even friends her age because she debuted so young
@@JetteSwan not having friends your age is sadly common among idols who debuted young in their teens... there are other idols who have also mentioned not having any friends their age/not having many friends outside of their idol group
same
That's like all child celebrities ever😂
Let's just seriously take a moment to appreciate how he can make videos with concerning topics better with humor!
"OUR NEW BOY GROUP IS GONNA BE CALLED NEW BORNS" I CANT LMFAO IM DEAD
apparently in China they call these groups fresh meat.. creepi pedos man..
Thank you!!!! This needed to said. I have students who say "age is just a number..." To which I respond, "Only if all parties are legal adults." If you're a child under 18, then age absolutely matters, and we need to stop sexualizing children. I KNOW it isn't just Kpop , but thanks for calling it out.
Age is just a number, prison is just a room :)))
if you're above 18 age isn't just a number either lol
@@mochees same!! being a young adult is just like teenagers 2.0. we are still dumb and easy to be exploited.
@@z_bennet4208 bro, 70 year Olds getting exploit3d .. everyone is a kid pretending to adult.. exploitation is everywhere
Good answer
"you wanna cookie"💀💀💀💀
That song.. 🤚
Ironic how everyone was upset when Netflix released that movie "Cuties" because they were all children, but when it's in music it's perfectly acceptable.
ador released a statement explaining the meaning behind the song. baking cookies is supposed to be a metaphor for burning CDs. they're just singing about making their music and how much effort they put behind it
@@jakeey0 Lmao like we would believe that . The song is written by an english songwriter who obviously would know the real meaning of cookie.
@@jakeey0 3:18
I’m genuinely concerned where the K-pop community is going 0_0
It’s always been like this though
@@kwtelyn_ seriously?! Sorry I don’t know much about K-pop
Its not so much the community, its more of the companies themselves, but if ppl are looking at the kpop groups in the wrong way, then yes, that is concerning
I don’t know. Maybe it is time to stop simping or all about look to just being about music.
this isn't the community, this is the industry.
Thanks for being this up
i genuinely love newjeans' music and the members are very lovable, but it does concern me how young hyein is... ik ppl say it's the life she chose but even tho she wanted to be an idol is it really okay to have someone born in 2008 debuting like this,,,, i'm aware past idols like taemin have also debuted at 14 but that doesn't mean it's ok... taemin even has talked about how he felt like he missed out on teenage experiences debuting so young
It's a little weird to see a girl my age look older than me and be in this industry.
If with the pandemic I already lost important experiences that I would like to live, imagine what it would be like if I were working. Especially if that job is singing and dancing while being watched by adults?
That sounds kinda creepy
Sadly, these entertainments only cared about money
Even in the past when kids debuted that young, it was still wrong but at *least* they had some older folks that they could lean on and trust, not just other kids their age
@@lemonatet ye like it’s itzy, Yuna debuted at 15 but her unnies Lia and Yeji were already nearing 20 so that’s fine, the oldest member of NewJeans is literally 18, just entered adulthood.
actually about the joke about really young trainees, this actually happens like lightsum's juhyeon joined cube ent when she was TEN and the company SCOUTED her like it wasnt her initial decision they really came to a 10 yr old and said join our company
and it is messed up. the scout is a person that finds kids attractive. that's thr only examination.. normal people don't find kids attractive like that.. it's messed up thrb ore you think about it.
@@npcimknot958 bruh what whats wrong with thinking a kid is pretty im a kid i think my friends are pretty and attractive whats wrong with that????????1?1?1?
Now that you’ve mentioned it…I’m ngl, I’d love to see a k pop group of 30 somethings 💕 I think that would be pretty cool
2PM still slaps, and they're in that age group now.
Super Junior's members are all in their 30s, with the oldest few turning 40 next year
If you're looking for a Girl Group, I think I can recommend Brave Girls as they already have members that are over 30?
@@hikarisan422 Brown Eyed Girls too! (3/4 are 40 and above, so not exactly 30s tho)
@@hikarisan422 I think only 1 or 2 of the members are 30. Most of the original members left, and the newer ones are 26 or 27.
You know he’s really driving a point home when subtitles get involved.
My family thought there was something wrong with me because I was laughing so hard at this
The amount of sadness I felt when I had the epiphany that all the members of new jeans are younger than me is unexplainable
spreading awareness through sarcastic humor, I like it
I wish it was a rule that you can only debut after your turn 18. I just can't imagine being a kpop idol so young.
Jungkook started young but now there are ppl way younger
Jokes aside, it's good to know you're on the sane side of things nowadays - great video, as always!
Idols should be at least 18 to debut. 2008 is just crazy
I lost it at "the next group we debut will be called NewBorns" 😭
as a 22 years old, accidentally into kpop cause mamamoo and i love old group. so I find psy, uhm jung hwa, rain, Jessie, boa more catchy, attractive and cool
Same! And inherently uncomfortable with young children being monetised and especially with sexual connotations
most of those guys write their own stuff so are more considered artist that's probably why lol
@@npcimknot958 you got the point, rather than call them idol, artist more suitable
You’re so right that it’s always been this way. Taemin debuted super young, Jessica and Krystal were scouted when they were tweens. The pattern is really apparent.
You forgot Jung kook... He was debuted with bts since 15 years old, BoA also already made a soloist debut and saved SM from bankruptcy since 13 years old. Kpop industry was really not that healthy, that's what the point of concerns
@@aiskasalsabila2221 the point is , before when two - three idols in a group were 14-15 , the rest of the members were adults for example in bts , jk was 15 but the oldest jin was 20 , old enough to take care of other members, on other hand new jeans oldest member is just 18 just entered adulthood
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Let’s be honest JK got really, REALLY lucky that those guys raised him well
He could easily have been turned into a monster, Seungri also debuted at 15
@@dysmissme7343 you're right ...
Everytime my reaction to knowing Hyein's age is 14. Like literally every time the age comes up.
I'm rlly confused, I thought korea was pro looking young. Why have they turned into America?
BoA debuted at 13 years old, Taemin at 14 years old just like her, Jungkook at 15 so it was always like this and I can say many more who debuted at a young age. It's not okay however the girls have already debuted. The only thing to do is ask the company that they have songs that wouldn't give dirty minded people other ideas. Although it's good to bring awareness about kpop idols debuting young, only taking Newjeans as an example as if it was the newest and most shocking thing is beyond me. And for people who are uncomfortable when looking at them because they're older than them then I must ask how did they feel when Taemin, Jungkook, Krystal debuted and how they looked at them. The other excuse they bring up is "at least there were older members in the group". That doesn't change the fact that the member in question is still young. Where was this enthusiasm for these other idols ? But I guess better late than never smh.
So yeah if people wanna talk about an issue do it fairly and say and recognize the fact that it has been happening for years...
And I must ask how is sexualizing idols the way people do okay just because the member is 18-20 or smthg ? Like some creeps waiting for an idol to hit 18 to start talking about nasty things over them. They would just be sitting and a lot of you guys would be "omg the way they're breathing is" or comments like "my ovaries. I want x to have my babies" etc like they're some sex objects to fantasize on assuming they wouldn't be uncomfortable while looking at those comments because "they're of age. They're not babies/innocent. It was expected of them. It comes with the job"
The hypocrisy...
@@pikapew3428 you really don't wanna make a 13-14 year old look even younger.... especially when you wanna sell them...
Aren't MAMAMOO and Red Velvet members in their late 20s to early 30s now and are still amazing? They should keep debuting more groups like that
I wish I could like this video 100 times. Really happy to see this being addressed.
Here are some lyrics from their song cookie:
"If you want it, you can get it, if you want it",
"(Keep) looking at my cookie"
"taste it"
"Take it, don't break it, I wanna see you taste it",
"Sugar, I got sugar"
Their management addressed it and said its an innocent song about "baking cookies with fans". Lets play the devils advocate here, if its about baking cookies, why is it always referring to one singular "cookie" and not "cookies"? Why do they refer to "boy" multiple times in the song? And another thing, they said their debut songs follow a storyline.
So okay, attention is about having a crush on someone and looking for their attention. Then hype boy, which is about the beginning puppy love in a relationship. And then cookie is about "baking cookies for fans". And then Hurt is about the break up.
yeah, that totally makes sense. Their management is not only filled with pedophiles, they also think we're stupid enough to fall for any of this. Poor girls.
@bo oh my
@bo oh my goodness
Wtffff😪
Also how long can you stick your head in the sand and just pretend that cookie isn’t slang for vagina 😬 because it is. That’s just the disgusting truth.
I was a 12 years old stanning a bunch of 24-30 years old dudes and now I'm 23 years old stanning those 34-40 years old dudes. Companies should stop debuting minors when there are a lot of skilled adult trainees who WILL attract fans given they're promoted well or have good skills.
Same lmao
as a girl high schooler nwjs stan it was so uncomfy knowing that hyein was younger than me and seeing that vid of the middle aged man looking so in love with them at the fanmeet was so creepy
😬😬😬 terrifying tbh
As much as I want to stan New Jeans because of the buzz around their music it just feels wrong to do so. It's weird cause there was such prominent discussion around this when the survival show "My teenage Girl" was airing but now it's nowhere to be found. Not only New Jeans but CLASS:y too. In addition, there are some people who are saying that these young girls should be allowed to follow their passion disregarding how the kpop industry is gonna treat them. Especially with girls these young in an industry that has such toxic diet standards we are just waiting for mental health issues
Brutal reality behind humor.
He really exposed the whole K-pop industry from this point onward 2:51 😭
Kpop companies becoming creepier and everyone’s just watching
"No the baby is trying to do the choreography in 3 different languages" Had me bro-
I am loving how he pointed out the facts in this video
People needs to understand that they have their all life to make a career but your teenage/school years will never come back
while he was walking on the stairs i saw your feet
"The baby is learning Choreography in three different languages"💀💀💀
They treat 30+ people as if they were so old they can't do anything and they asumme people wouldn't pay attention to them because they would be boring. I think what brings me attention to a kpop group is their music and concepts not their age 😐
When I discovered how old NewJeans members were I got very uncomfortable, specially after listening to cookie because I'm the same age as youngest member, so yeah...I can't imagine how they study and work at the same time because I already struggle A LOT with school.
Bruh 30 years old is still considered young lmao i dont like how kpop treat like their eldery
I will say that I liked NewJeans debut up until they released "Cookie." The lyrics and imagery of "Attention" and "Hype Boy" are more age appropriate and fun, and I found them refreshing and interesting. "Cookie" creeped me out, and I really wondered what the company was thinking for that one.
Ditto is the bop, its their actual vibe, i wish they released more songs like that and not about cookies and controversial stuffs.
The fact that they're trainees and they're 6. Like, your main concern at that age should be trying to stay awake later than 9 pm and watching TV for five more minutes, so on, so forth.
“You want a cookie?”
thanks for talking about this. i remember when newjeans debuted everyone was like "omg they're so young! this is wrong!" but then quickly got over it and starting stanning them. like bruh, its still wrong, why r u supporting them now. like, i get the kids probably had little to no choice in the matter, and yes their music is good, but promoting and following the band just shows their management that its acceptable for them to subject these children to this bc kpop stans enjoy it. and ik this has been a problem in the industry for a long time but when does it end? they keep getting away with it bc we keep fueling their careers. kids deserve to just be kids and experience normal childhoods, not be scrutinized or sexualized over every move they make. this kind of stuff is already really damaging to older kpop artists' mental and physical health. just think about how it must affect these kids whose brains and bodies are still developing. there's a reason why child labor laws exist
agh. okay, rant over. sorry, this kind of thing just really pisses me off, and i needed to get that off my chest.
Totally agree, it's revolting
I've seen many stans complain how "their poor idols are so mistreated by the company, so they have to support them"... Like, what? Don't they see they are supporting the company as well?
I think the industry promotes that image of the idols, like, showing how much they exhaust themselves practicing, starve themselves...and let the people put the blame on the company because it will move fans to pity and support the group 🤦🏻♀️ it's really messed up
Oh, and don't forget, this kind of comments we are doing is "hating behavior", we're just " jealous of their success" 💀
THAT WAS A HARD SPILL AND MY EXACT THOUGHTS k-pop stans are hypocrites they'll eat up everything once it appeals to them not looking into what their behaviour is doing to those children.
Man : I want a cook…
Appears in prison
Man : where is this place?
His point reminded me of the fact that only elementary/middle/high schoolers are chosen to save the world from otherworldly/magical devastation.
That's right anime I'm looking at you!
"I'm on the next level" "we're asian we're smart af" 😭😭😭
Finally a comment mentioning asians being smart af😭
it’s sad because nwjns isn’t even the first instance of this happening in the kpop industry. idols have debuted at 14-15 for many years now and they’ll probably continue to do so. when nwjns debuted, i like everyone else liked their music because it’s really catchy and nice to listen to, but i certainly felt uncomfortable listening to cookie. i’m only 20 years old myself but because i know how these girls will be viewed from their "older fans" inevitably it makes me want to vomit. i’m simply worried for them. there was an instance short after their debut when during their fan sign event, there was an old man who was a "fan" of them...
This is my favourite video of yours. It brings attention to a very important subject. I watched the clip of New Jeans singing that cookie song and was creeped out.
They should be a law that you can debut until you are 18 international age. Training can start from age 15 and mandatory 3 year training before debuting
I'm just concerned about their mental health. Getting famous at 14 would've messed me up lmao.
thanks for bringing awareness to this topic. a bunch of dumb and naive people are actually defending min heejin for the controversy saying "iTs aBoUt CdS" like cmon bffr the people behind all this knew damn well what they were doing. its honestly sick seeing grown adults doing this, makes me lose faith in humanity even more.
Honestly, so true
I wonder if the kids in new jeans know or if they’ll have a grotesque realization like Park Jiyoon
YES IVE FELT VERY STRONG ABOUT THIS THANK YOU FOR SPREADING AWARENESS
Asian people always surprise me with their genius
4:13 i was drinking water watching this and i spit it all out- 😂😭😭
SM tried to scout Krystal Jung f(x) when she was FIVE. YEARS. OLD.
Her parents said no and her older sister Jessica joined Girls Generation. Then Krystal debuted at 14 anyway.
Next K-pop group boutta be a bottle of suspicious white liquid from a person who hasn’t even been conceived yet
The problem is that no matter how many ppl voice their opinion nowdays, it isint enough to change ppl from stanning grps like new jeans… it’s the same grp of ppl who says “we need to protect them” who end up supporting them and buying their albums and streaming their songs. If u rly want to help the girls, stop stanning the grp, stop listening to their songs and don’t support them - make it clear that we don’t encourage minors debuting so if the public opinion is so strong and sales fall then the agency will themselves understand that it is not doing them any good to debut minors and this will only help the girls as they won’t have to go through the harshness of the industry at a young age.
I’d rather have the group disband if necessary instead of having creepy old guys fantasize about these girls… and the girls are talented so it’s not like the company will just throw such talent away, so if netizens rly show the power of their opinion, we could get groups like new jeans to debut late.
Honestly I wonder what Danielle’s parents (since she has a western background) must be thinking after hearing their daughter sing cookie 👀
Spilling facts as always!! And also the idols they miss their own normal teenage life which is kinda sad ! And teens set standard of BEAUTY TO THEM WHATEVER ITS KINDA MESSED UP
The same problem is in sports - figure skating, jymnastic and so on. Even worse - sporsmen quit at about 17-18, when their body grows and changes. Succesfull singers at least are able to continue as they become older
no but how does the parents allow them 💀💀
Money money money 💲💰
Like how they allow child actors
It's seriously stressing that they've allowed trainees to be this young, even from JK of BTS, Bambam of GOT7, txt?....I hoped they'd change overtime but sadly
I love the way you take the initiative and spreading awareness about this matter. Keep doing the great work. 👏K-pop is actually damaging kids nowadays, sad truth, this hype is not good...
It's sad that the industry work like this. Hiring so many kids, starving them, basically not giving them any free time, working out and studying all day long to become the best. No wonder many of them faint on stages, look malnourished and are depressed. 😞
The bit with the pregnancy made me laugh. On that note, it reminded me a bit of MAMADOL, the members were "moms who were stars but had to leave the entertainment industry". It's just a shame they disbanded after the final episode of the reality TV show they were in instead of actually pursuing it (the contract probably forced their hand, though I'm curious if any of them wanted to actually stay). It would be nice if motherhood/fatherhood (and maybe even relationships and marriage, but that seems to be too much for the rampant parasocial relationships in KPOP) was what was normalized in the industry and not... idols debuting before they even turn 16
"I'm on the next, level"
Me: "Holy shit what the fu-"
2:07 Our new boy group is gonna be called *nEw bOrNs* HELPPP😭💀
"The baby's learning choreography in 3 different languages"
LOL THIS IS TOO TRUE
@You're welcome thats a fake link youtube link cuz it has a dot inbetween youtube LOL
The fact that even back in 2013 when BTS were debuting Jin was already basically done with university... and now in 2022 we have 13 year olds debuting and dancing AT universities? Honestly a uni-age idol debuting is almost unheard of nowadays. And the fact that trainees are basically 10 or so now is extremely worrying. As if a 10 year old understands the stress their chosen career might put on them. Or that they're likely gonna be used by these companies and sexualised for profit as minors.
I mean not to call out specifically but Wonyoung was 13 when she was dancing Side to Side (a song about being f***ed so hard that you end up "walking side to side") on Produce 48, eventually winning and debuting at 14. That performance went viral iirc.
P Nation just tried to debut a 12 year old CHILD after their survival show Loud, and stopped because of backlash. Like am I insane or is no one else talking/caring about this lol
Being a kpop idol is a entry level gateway into the entertainment industry kind of like disney channel stars. Their target demographic are teens so the idols are meant to be younger while having their company guide them on what to do. There are older musicians and soloists in the industry who operate according to their own artistic vision and would be offended by the title "idol" cause they are referred to as "artists" instead.
“I’m on the next level” that got me dead lmfai
I haven't felt comfortable giving them any attention for this exact reason, and it's validating to see your channel tackling this.
if it helps, Brave girls have members who are late 20s to early 30s but sadly that's because they debuted in mid 2010s and one of their old songs Rollin' came to life I believe in 2020 and they continued as a group again, else I don't think they would continue their careers which is sad. Ageism is so bad there honestly, even if you're past 25, you're apparently old.
To me new jeans was the last straw, people have been saying this for years about kpop, they are always manufacturing all these new groups and exploiting kids, there's already too many groups and they keep training kids to get rid of the old groups once they get old. Kids starving themselves to look good ... thank God I grew out of my kpop phase.
"Their target is people younger them them right"
The guy: yes about that-
i'm glad you're brining attention to this, it's a real issue and not as many people as i'd like are talking about it. I do want to support young artists chasing their dream, but i cannot support the newer groups being debuted, not as an attack towards them , but merely towards the company
I mean, it's great that you have limits, but what's so great with "young artist that have dreams" when their dream is being idolized? If, like many recognize, the idol life is so bad, then why is it a good thing for young people to dream about having it? I think it's already a bad sign when children and teens want that
When I heard that one of the members are 16 I was like 💀💀 Dude, I’m 19 and I don’t even know yet what I’m gonna do with my life.
Lmao i died when you said the new boy group was going to be called newborns .. I was not even expecting that 😂😂😂 .
Damn this video needs to blow up cuz it is NOT ok, and imagine them performing for the military?? Where the only audience are men even older than university students??
The fact that so many korean teens want to throw away their childhood to be a kpop idol is scary.
This gives the same energy as, "Oh, I'm a hands-off, presenter pimp. If someone sleeps with the underage human, they're the problem not me. I only present the package. My hands are totally clean."
"new borns" 💀
I also felt it was super wrong for them to be this young. Thankyou for sharing this opinion with me.
At first i was laughing, but now im like..bro hes serious...and hes right too!
it’s honestly kind of weird that they keep recruiting YOUNGER AND YOUNGER….. which is a little WEIRD…
Everytime we even think about saying anything about how problematic New Jeans is, as a group not the girls, the fandom comes thru with the old "you're jealous" excuse
This is funny, but hits home. It is so true. Which is very sad.
So who's gonna tell them. JYPE debuting Boy Story with an 07 liner in 2018 even before NewJeans.
The: YoU wAnNa A 🍪cOoKiE💅💅
An oddly nuanced critique for a comedy channel, I love it
1:37 this bit killed me
I don't know Korean but even the English lyrics in Cookie had me like 😳 but it's a bop tho lol
It`s really problematic that they have youngsters dress up as adults instead of actual adults, stop debuting minors, period!!!
Btw the group of boys over 30 that's becoming a huge success is named Forestella, most of them are already married and they seem to be pretty decent people
3:07 straight facts!
When I was 18 I accidentally went on a cpl “dates” with a guy 10 yrs older than me🤦♀️ We were both part of a club at the university & I assumed it was just hanging out cuz that’s what college peepz do. He was nothing but kind & respectful-but for me it was still just kinda awkward & I’m glad I broke it off 😅
It's a very serious topic to discuss about and i really appreciate the way u represent it . And shoud have to be stop like they aren't even teen they were literally kids when they were traini
When i at first glance, saw the girl in 0:34 i also thought the same thing about her age until i found out that she is actually 2 years younger than me 💀
They made a point for it to become the headline 'the youngest member to ever debut' and so it became younger and younger every time cause they want to break the record 😐
"Since we debuted New Jeans, our new boy group is gonna be called New Borns. Yeah, they're all going to be infants in diapers"
Can't stop laughing