Christian Nationalism: The Movie | Doug Wilson
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- This was inevitable, I suppose. Rob Reiner financed and produced a movie called God & Country, a movie to warn us all about the impending threat called Christian nationalism. This somehow constituted a compelling invitation to erstwhile conservatives like David French and Russell Moore to clamber on board in order to help the secularists put the worst possible construction on whatever it is that is happening in the conservative Christian world. We will get to that in a little bit.
Pastor Doug Wilson's Blog & Mablog video is presented by Canon Press.
The more the marxists squirm about the term Christian Nationalism, the more I like the label.
Its the nationalism part that is the main identity
@@stevebrandau9300 I’ll take nationalism that over socialism any day.
Well it’s unamerican and unconstitutional. Meaning the opposite of marxists would be upset.
@@MrBowser2012 The US is already a socialist nation. If you did not know, there are many different kinds of socialism. And we just got an economic report that the US has had over 14 million jobs created in 3 years, and California has the world's 5 largest economy. Sounds like socialism is a HUGE success here in the US.
What is a Marxist?
If only we as Christians actually became the threat that these lowlifes paint us as. Maybe then they'd start to fear God instead of continue to thumb their noses at him.
But wouldn’t everyone then just be fearing you? Fearing your stochastic terrorism or whatever! Not fearing your god.
Reiner is a hater of God. Rom 1:30
At one time a Christian Nationalist simply put was called an American.
Christian Nationalism is a fine name. We need a major movement and it needs to be named, so go with it. And go forward to WIN for the glory of God and the good of his people.
I have a problem with the name “Christian nationalism”.
One problem being that the idea isn’t international and realistically doesn’t belong in this country as it is, a pluralistic multicultural heap of lawlessness where autonomous man determines through judicial processes what are his “god” given rights. As the founding fathers decided to not name the Triune God of the scripture, but instead covenanted with some impersonal deistic god who has no Word or law. Christian nationalism is trash, but i’d like to see a nationalism that is christian.
@@Yela927 You're wrong about the foundation of this country, just factually entirely wrong and disconnected from objective reality. A product of demoralization and brainwashing with false history. Beyond that you're just part of the problem. Metaphorically while the enemies built their forces, took lands close to ours, then stormed our gates and took town after town pillaging them and destroying, extremely unwise and blind Christians like you were arguing endlessly about what the exact design and color the crosses should be on our shields while you did nothing to actually help. So be it, stay in that camp. Christian Nationalism is the movement and if you don't like it you are on the side of the enemy whether on purpose or as a useful idiot.
I've added "Christian Nationalist" to my Facebook bio. In my news feed I've announced this change and included a link to this podcast. What could possibly go wrong?
@@Yela927
I gave your reply
one-star rating.
@@BruceAxtens
Better than the alternative.
I'm not giving my grandkids and great grandkid to the alphabet mafia.
Meathead just won't go away, will he?😂
As always, super job guarding and defending the high ground Sir. I can't help but believe these critics would wet their pants if they actually had to share a debate stage with you. And that is a tragedy in the church💔💔💔
I have never seen this level of trolls in his comments section until this year. His NBC appearance must have made him a target. The funny thing is that all of his trolls are growing his footprint with every jab. Keep it up guys.
Doug who? Yes and it was so much of a simpler time when he could just preach to the choir.
@@sitka49 Keep it up. You're doing great!!!
5:45 David French is as delusional as they come! Hah!
Three options? You left out church…we exist as individuals in a church in our nations. Nevertheless you make great points against the likes of Russell Moore.
Did November end? This feels like it might become a No Quarter Year.
I would so love to watch Rob Reiner attempt to debate you on this topic. Of course, even he isn’t stupid enough to subject himself to that level of public humiliation.
Serious question when are you running for president?
If the name is disparaging and inaccurate, but that doesn’t matter, why be afraid of “misogynist,” “sexist,” or “racist?”
* whispers *
Pssst. There are no links...
but wait.... why didn't the jews want to identify with judaism?
Apparently there was some fuel left over in that flame thrower..ahem.. Snow removal device.
On second thought this is a brilliant retort! I'm impressed! We have to be this bold and definitive.
1Cor 11:19
As we watch you respond to your critics' rising tones, it is just becoming more and more clear how tenacious you hold the scripture. Thank you.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph were not refugees. They moved from Rome's province of Galilee and Perea, which mandated abortion up to two years after live birth, via a brief stint in Roman Judea to pay taxes, then on to Rome's Egypt province that had a Safe Haven baby-box program (Moses' basket law). It was little different logistically or politically than moving from Virginia to Florida after a brief detour to Washington D.C. would be today.
The social justice warriors are a Christian cult and as such, they are always more than happy to cite the Bible when it suits them.
Any civilized country does not reject others religious practices and beliefs if they are for the upliftment of the human spirit. There is a great difference between real followers and the lip service cheaters in any bona fide religion. After all there is one Supreme God for all the people of the world although the presentation maybe different according to time and place and people. There are three modes in material existence. Goodness, Passion and Ignorance . And according to these modes people have their own various attractions to aspects of the Supreme Absolute. The mode of Goodness is liberating. The mode of Passion is binding and the mode of ignorance is degrading. Mostly these modes are mixed and come and go. Regulation of all manner of people is for their eventually elevation to ultimately transcending even the mode of goodness to pure love of God.
Doug, “there’s only three things you can be. They’ll already call you one of the three, a Christian nationalist. So you might as well embrace it, and be one.”
That’s weak circular logic. Also I think this Christian nationalist argument is a waste of time. Preach the gospel stand by and watch the Spirit lead dead men to life. That’s our kingdom.
Amen. Political activism is no substitute for obedience to Christ and His Apostles.
Christian Nationalism?
Murder is illegal.
Exodus 20:13
You shall not murder.
Stealing is illegal.
Exodus 20:15
You shall not steal
Giving false testimony is illegal
Exodus 20:16
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
I think you mean christian theocracy. And serious question,
Would Christian nationalism be a real concept in a place like Israel or Afghanistan?
It would if they repented and believed.
@@Yela927 Have you seen the UK or the Nordic countries? Half the European countries have official tax payer funded, National state churches. There are 4 seats in the British House of Lords reserved exclusively for Anglican Bishops. Nobody blinks an eye.
@@mosesking2923 so would you credit that sort of representation due to a certain amount of Christian nationalism?
@@Yela927all nations are theocracies
Not a Doug Wilson enthusiast but Bro. Doug is outstanding on this video! Well stated.
All those years since he butted heads with Archie, and Meathead still hasn't learned a thing!
The next name we need to proudly accept is Prude. To act with care and thought and being concerned for the well being of others who do not? You bet!
Yes! Proverbs 27:12 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)
The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it.
Also Proverbs 16
Proverbs 8:12 (ESV) “I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
and I find knowledge and discretion.
That’s not what prude means.
Yes, we would hate to exhibit this:
"The word prude comes from the Old French word prudefemme also prodefemme meaning loyal, respectable or modest woman, which was the source of prude in the 18th century."@@DM-dk7js
It was then turned into a pejorative, and weak willed people who desire to be liked by the masses stopped acting sensibly because people called them names.
I am confident that Meathead from All In The Family is gravely concerned about the integrity of the Christian faith…
💘
The main reason I approve of or vote for or against something is whether it lines up with a Biblical world view. What other basis? My feelings? If I didn’t believe there was a God in Heaven whose Bible is very clear on moral issues, I’d sleep in on Sundays. Shame on David French and Russell Moore. Democrat operatives. And they know better. They didn’t always talk like this.
Loved it 🫡
What is the relationship between "Christian Reconstruction" and "Nationalism"... Synonyms, or are there major differences???
Plenty of CNs are not theonomists therefore not reconstructionists
On the initial point -> Nationalism = Nation tribalism.
Just saying
Nope. This is one nation and it's loaded with tribes.
I think you illustrated the battle for the dictionary at 7:10 quite well!
@@stegokitty You really didn't get it?
If tribes are small groups inside a nation, Nationalism are large nations inside a globe.
Why would one be desirable and the other not?
@@LRibeiro97 That's like saying "Since grocery stores have vegetables from gardens, then grocery stores are vegetable gardens."
@@stegokitty No, it's not.
That's very faulty reasoning.
First!
"Carbon" What a great name for a boy...
Then there's Nobrac the Great
I will just stick with "Christian".
I sure as heck wish that all true followers of the true Christ as reported on in the true Holy Bible, would constantly and consistantly refer to all these detractors as "Leftist Fascists."
They are not fascists, you dummy!!!!
There was a time when major social sins were comfortable residing in the closet, (for in this age you will never eliminate them completely) then power mongering, power grabbing, worldly successful major social sin supporters became leaders in positions of power and control and succeeded in opening the closet doors and eventually removing the hinges altogether. Praying the time to chase back into and then lock the closet containing these sinful aberrations will return. So yes, I am a Christain Nationalist and pray God will provide the means to once again make us proud to be called Americans.
When was this time??
I am 68. The "socially acceptable" sins of today were considered to be publicly unacceptable and perverse by most a generation ago. Revisionist historians will always try to ignore or even deny this. If you can't see this, then I guess we have a different view of times past.@@aallen5256
Honestly I'm pretty against nationalism, not just because I'm a Christian but from my study of the founders. The best and most devout of the founders were very locally minded people and in many ways nationalism is a detriment to localism and community
Christian Nationalism! Amen and Amen!
Why does the CREC constitution say that Federal Vision falls within reformed orthodoxy and elders and member churches may or may not jold to various aspects of it?
7:13 It's not right to refer to murder by the euphemism "abortion", and it's certainly no way to battle for the dictionary. When will I see a change in how my fellow Christians speak of these murders? When? Battle for control of the dictionary; remember?
If someone uses the term "abortion" and in the same breath calls it murder, there's nothing to get upset about. Doug calls abortion murder in this short blog.
@@adamjohns78 The problem with referring to the murders as merely prematurely ended processes, even when specifying it's also murder, is that we are saying the euphemism "abortion" is not evil and disgusting. If the euphemism is not evil and disgusting, then what is going on is less than murder; there is no way for it to be murder and for the euphemism to also be acceptable. By treating the disgusting murderous euphemism as something innocent, we use our spiritual messaging to help build the Pagan lie that these murders are somehow less than murder. This is an evil act which we should never participate in (unless we are murderous).
Fighting for control of the dictionary begins at not referring to the sacrament of Pagan murder by their soft friendly euphemism of abortion (merely ending a process prematurely). So long as we join in unity with the murderers in their choice to speak softly about the murders, we are not even yet starting to fight for control of the dictionary. If we pretend to fight for control of the dictionary, whilst not even beginning to do so, then we are merely cosplaying. I'm not cosplaying, and I don't encourage Doug to merely cosplay, and I find it counterproductive that you are looking for excuses to stop at mere cosplay, when we could just walk in the Spirit Of Truth and speak truthful words instead of evil lies like "abortion".
I love God, and God owns the babies, and people are murdering God's property. I don't care to give excuses for doing what is evil. It is evil to join the murderers in their use of the euphemism.
If justifying what is evil is what you want to contribute, then that's between you and the Lord Of Truth.
Why not speak honestly about the murders? Give me a reason to use the evil euphemism. Why should I use words to describe these murders as less than murder? Why should I spiritual convey that the murders are less than murder? Why should I use lying words? You didn't give any reason why it's good to unite with the murderers in their use of the disgusting euphemism. It's obviously bad, but how is it also good?
@@adamjohns78 Sorry. I see you said I was upset. I responded to this as a matter of right and wrong in the context of tactics, but you were speaking of emotions and not of right vs wrong nor of tactics; you were speaking of me being upset. I didn't mean to ignore your word choice. Sorry for that.
I'm not upset. I'm just talking shop. I don't really care about emotions in this context. Don't get me wrong, I have a heart for the murder victims, and sympathy for victims can be rightly utilized for tactics as well, but that's not what I was talking about here.
I choose the side that is for the protection and preservation of human life.
Is that the side which doesn’t believe in recycling, or anti-pollution laws, or gun control, or investing in renewable energy, or universal healthcare??
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Painting everyone with the same brush like a good Left-wing radical? The rest of us can do that too you know.
@@mr.d.572 so you do believe in gun control, universal healthcare and renewable energy? Because Republicans definitely don’t! “…the side that is for the protection and preservation of human life” - the irony is outrageous.
@@aallen5256 The grounds on which environmentalism is built is called "Malthusianism", or in explain-like-I'm-five terms, "humans are the carbon that must be reduced, lest the planet suffer". Gun control, too, takes the right to self-defense and the defense of others out from the hands of those who would need it the most (the individual, literally the smallest minority) and into the hands of the state (who jealously guards its ever growing monopoly on violence). Renewable energy simply outsources pollution from one place (First World countries that have the resources to deal with it) to another (Third World countries that don't). And universal healthcare always ends up in abortions and euthanasia, look at what's going on in Canada.
@@dotwarner17 what a lot of confusion! Environmentalism is built on the ground that we need to look after the planet as much as ourselves because we depend upon it, resulting in laws against pollution, against factory run-off spoiling rivers, etc. The idea that renewable energy creates pollution elsewhere ignores the point - that it is renewable, as opposed to non-renewable! You can’t seriously be advocating that our society relies on a finite resource? Thats a disaster waiting to happen. As for gun control, the presence of a firearm in the home does nothing to improve your safety - it’s believing a myth to think it does. In reality, as research shows, the presence of a firearm in your home directly increases the likelihood of death by homicide, by suicide and by accidental discharge. Finally, universal healthcare means that the most vulnerable people aren’t made homeless or bankrupt by needing cancer treatment or an ambulance. It’s that simple, and the vast majority of Americans support this and would benefit from more of it.
Well said
what about the name Dug?
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The irony of "Christian Nationalism" should be inherent. Unfortunately too many people can be fooled into believing foolish and harmful movements. Nationalists, historically, use violence and tyranny to move themselves forward. The Third Reich was a nationalist movement, the French revolution was a nationalist movement. Stalin and Mao both started and led nationalist movements in Russia and China. Nationalism always takes on an "us against them, and win by any cost" mentality. I will keep my comments on tribalism and globalism short. Tribalism breaks society up into groups (tribalism never went away as we still do this). And globalism seeks to unify the world (basically utopia; but dystopia is much more likely to happen in the pursuit of utopia).
"The king comes with healing on his hands." Maybe someone here will recognize where this quote comes from. I use it because if we want a true biblical movement for the modern world we would think in terms of kingship. Kingdom mentality is often a phrase that gets thrown around. The Bible, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament presents kingdom as a place where God rules with justice, mercy, grace, and loving kindness. In the Old Testament the foreigner was offered certain rights and Israel was commander to be hospitable. The New Testament Unites both Israel and the world together into the kingdom of God. But Nationalism would not go this route. It becomes too easy to exclude, too easy to say that we are better than you. So no, Christian Nationalism is not a movement that any Christian should follow. Or, maybe every Christian Nationalist should answer this question: which nation does the Bible present as being the seat of God Kingdom and God's rule? All should know the answer, but few will want to address it since they will want the answer to be "America."
Big fan, however: ruclips.net/video/nZg-TY8iELU/видео.html. < C.S. Lewis Warns Us About The Moral Dangers of National Repentance
Bravo, a thoughtful and educational explanation. The operation was a success and in place of that boil on our corporate backside we have a neat row of stitches that dissolve when unnecessary and an American flag bandaid. Once again sir you have proven that "God and country" doesn't need to smart if we are halfway smart about how we go about it. God bless America and thank you Father for sending Your Son.
If Doug's representation of the film is accurate, then I (a Christian Man) agree with their every reason for opposing "Christian nationalism" in every form. The US is not now, and never was, a Christian nation. Want proof? The first Amendment of the Constitution is a violation of the first 4 of the 10 commandments. Want more proof? Try this from James Madison (you remember, the guy that wrote the Constitution): "“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” Want more? Read the Constitution and find ANY reference to any Biblical teaching or principle concerning the law of the US. Doug is only perpetuating the "we are under siege" mentality that has been growing exponentially since the "tea-baggers" (later they called themselves the "Tea-Party") sprang onto the because they were scared to death of a black president (even though he was the epitome of "family values). And now Doug is trying to cash in economically and politically from that fear and lunacy. Doug should sell bumper stickers that says "Je$u$ $ave$".
@@manager0175 US vs Trinity Church, 1893 SCOTUS case
"Find any law or reference that references biblical principle or teaching"
Your standard has been met.
Will you accept it or duck down as a coward would?
Pardon, it's an 1892 case not 1893 case
I expect a "no true Scotsman" or "moving the goalpost" fallacy to soon follow from manager, such is the pattern I've observed from his type. But, I hope to be pleasantly suprised.
@@scottyyoch3537 So SCOTUS said the US is a Christian. Therefore, it is true? You do not see the fallacy?
@@scottyyoch3537 Apparently you didn't read my challenge well. Here it is again: " Read the Constitution and find ANY reference to any Biblical teaching or principle concerning the law of the US". Notice the reference CONSTITUTION. Not SCOTUS ruling.
That grimy Impeachment House has been known of as the Prophet House since the 1940s? Do you believe in divine coincidences?
ya idk so far nationalist movements have produced wonderful results from some terrific behavior by special people...
So many false categories
By whom?
All theists all wrong . I’m raising my children as atheist . The best part is, it doesn’t piss you off it scares you . Go ahead delete it you can’t handle little words. Like piss I guess. Lol
thing is just because you people believe something does not make it true and not everyone believes what you believe... that's whats great about America was the freedoms we have...
Second
We should note that one of the biggest mistakes of the apostles was a political expectation. They assumed that Jesus had come to make Israel great again but that was not the case. He came to start a universal, non-national church. Are we making the same mistake?
Spot on, He then told them that they would be His witnesses starting in Jerusalem (national), then Judea (regional), Samaria (still regional but in enemy territory ), then the uttermost part of the world (globally ).
Jesus is still not a nationalist, He is Lord of all the nations.
Psalm 2 “Ask of Me and I will give the nations as an inheritance”
@@julienkinsale4957 So, then, not the Dread Christian *Nationalism*, but the Wondrous Christian *Internationalism*? :P
No it’s a terrible name in my opinion. What would the logo be a bullseye? The name is too easy to smear negate and make irrelevant, similar to the John Birch Society. Can’t agree with Doug in this one. The future will tell.
Do you actually know anything about John Birch, or the society which bears his name?
I mean, c’mon. We’re talking about people who could hang a bullseye on the the Joni Erikson Tada Art Appreciation and Kitten Rescue Society.
@@PanhandleFrank how do you categorise the John Birch Society? It wasn’t founded by John Birch! It was founded by Robert Welch and used to launder his conspiracy theories; including the ludicrous suggestion that Eisenhower was a communist agent, and that fluoridation of the water was a communist attempt to use “mass medicine” to destroy America’s children!
"White supremacist"
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"White nationalist"
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"Christian nationalist"
Isn't it obvious how this word game is being played? No thanks!
federated imperial nationalism
The problem is that the resistance in question is by vast majority an unchristian resistance. I'm glad to be called a Christian Nationalist; I would like us to establish a locality from which to sprout a Christian Nation. I'm not glad for the unchristian resistance to be called "Christian Nationalism". Cultural Christianity is not enough; it was impotent, and brought us to this, and is the death of what otherwise should be a sincerely Christian nation. If this unchristian widespread lameness is what is getting that name, then we, who are going to handle politics Christianly, will need a different name for our political efforts.
And those who understand the constitution and how CN is illegal. Those people also resist it.
@@DM-dk7js It's illegal for a people to be a Christian people? Weird. Are you a Satanist?
I would love to hear someone from the “Moscow Mood” scene interact with voluntarism. This is not tribalism, nor globalism, nor nationalism.
Why can’t we have a society with no king, no president and no taxes?
Also called, the world of Donald Trump.
huh? Trump cannot be a "Christian Nationalist" because first of all, he's not a christian.... sure he's a "presbiterian" and blah blah, but nah he's not a regenerated born again christian, it's just a very obvious fact. Sure he's a nationalist... a Trumpian Nationalist, but most definitely not really a christian one.
The gas-lighting is INSANE.
Is it gaslighting to accuse someone of gaslighting without being specific regarding what you think is gaslighting?
I think it is…
@@adamjohns78 you’re right. Should’ve been clear that I see the gas-lighting as the movie itself, not Doug’s response.
Is regeneration and justifying faith irrevocable and not temporary?
Yes, and No
ARE Jjustification and justifying faith
@@adamjohns78 by the CREC theology?
“Beatles” is a pun?
( the heavens open up and the clouds part)
I always learn something from Doug.
Hmm...
I prefer God's kingdom-ism, but that doesn't seem to be on the menu for what is being served at this establishment.
"None of the above"?
We need to rethink the priority of the New Heavens and New Earth with the fulfillment of the new covenant world.
It seems Moscow is bent neck on living like the old covenant order still carries on.
Bizarre.
You can call it a can of beer. But it is still what it always has been: Fascist Theocracy.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
@@michaelsterling2650 Did Jesus command them to take political power? To enshrine blasphemy laws (as Doug wants to do)?
You know I much prefer christian nationalism over christian cowardism.
@@manager0175 I think the Great Commission can stand on its own.
We already have Nationalism! And a Constitution reflecting Christian thought. And we have ,"the Church" in many churches. The only thing we lack or have lost is a more uniquitous, discerning , educated Christian culture. And if we regain some of that ground, until or before Christ returns there still will be nothing like a Christian National Eutopia. Just say no thanks to Wilsonian Postmillarian Theonomic Nationalism.
But I don't see him promoting any sort of Utopia here.
He never has. This guy has been told what Wilson says by people who don't listen to him.
Have you watched his sermons or listened to his thoughts on his post-millennial theonomic views?
@@andrewmattiewalter I have listened to him for years. I've read some of his books. His postmil view is not unique to him. Is your problem with him postmillenialism?
@@chaosgaming1806 Theonomic Nationalistic Postmill, all 3 together is the problem. Coupled with federal vision and a multi-comfessional Confederation of churches spells disaster. PS, I have watched and listened to Dw and his critics. I have also read a majority the CREC and C.K. founding documents first hand.
These increasing demonizations are a harbinger of what they really have in mind. So much for your post millennial kingdom of Christ. I predict someday soon that Doug will revert back to pre-mill, if he’s honest.
That would have a sort of, shall we say, internal consistency if that happened.
He doesn't even realize his own baggage he keeps lugging everywhere.
Speaking against something that you don't actually understand makes you appear foolish. Don't appear foolish.
I’m not Postmil, but that is a stupid comment.
I need to share this personal true testimony. God told me this story is important for the evil atheist demoncrats to hear but I hope it edifies all the super loving Christians as well as my fellow Saints and Trump supporters. I was doing my morning ocean swim in shallow water when I was attacked by a shark and I barely made it back to shore. A large part of my thigh was missing and I was losing so much blood...I knew I was a goner and would never be able to make it for help. But then out of nowhere a surfer showed up, he looked exactly like Jesus, the white version. On that day I witnessed one set of foot prints in the sand leading away from where I laid. I called out..."hey Jesus looking dude...are you just going to just leave me here"? And he said.."do you know how much you weigh...hell yeah". And then I died. But don't worry I came back three days later. Proof! How could I have written this if I didn't come back from the dead? The End. By the way, I did find the Jesus looking dude after I came back from the dead. Ironically his name was Jesus but with the Spanish pronunciation. He was in awe of my miracle recovery from death and has become one of my apostles. I am sure my story will be written about in about a hundred years. Now is a great time to get in on the ground floor...I am sure there is a lot of money to be made.ere now is my personal testimony.
Basically three ways to prepare prime rib, and Doug.