"They Can See Everything You're Doing!" Dean Wilson on the Current State of The Baker's Factory...
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Dean Wilson has had a career in Motocross and Supercross that has seen him a part of many factory teams, and the programs that come with them. As a part of the KTM Group, Deano spent multiple seasons working with legendary trainer Aldon Baker at the Bakers Factory in Florida.
While many have been critical of the Bakers Factory in the past, it is extremely hard to argue with the results… Dean Wilson gives his take on the legendary facility.
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Tomac proved that you don’t need to be in there to be the best 😌
Indeed. His dad even talks about backing off from time to time so Eli can have his own time to be himself
Tomac has done it the right way training in the mountain elevation
@@iiiMember growing up at high elevation has a big effect too.
I think the biggest thing with baker's program is potential for burnout for some riders. I wouldn't think tomacs program would be less intense or less science-based, but just giving a legit mental break from time to time is probably a necessary thing for a rider and to also not scare away future riders. Baker's factory makes being a pro racer look miserable
@@benanderson4639 very true
Remember him and Jake Canada ripping on 80s at Glen Helen. Great races. We are a big fan of Deano he will be a big asset to the industry once he stops racing. Gd luck this 2023 season.
The Baker’s Factory hasn’t really produced much in the last several years. The dominance of Yamaha and Honda looks like it will continue into the future with their fresh crop of young talent coming up and Kawasaki is not to far behind. Baker’s Factory is going to be history before you know it.
Cooper won supercross in 2019 & 2021 still under Aldon's program. Osborne won 2020 250 outdoors as well.
@@tronmcrae Like I said it doesn’t work like it use to. Yamaha and Honda have been dominating and looks like it will continue into the future as well. Clearly their programs are far better and the results are proving that. Baker’s Factory only hope is if the rumors of KTM getting Sexton are true but even then everyone will know the results will be from Sexton’s talent and technique and not something the Baker’s Factory created.
@thflash09msr I think the main thing is the amateurs they're bringing up. If KTM and Husky can find their quality young guys again they'll be back in the mix. Back when they had young Roczen, Musquin, Anderson. Goes in cycles I feel. Before them was the Pro Circuit dominated Era.
Buddy and i had driven cross country from Connecticut to SoCal to ride Moto and hit Glamis. Saw Deano at State Fair MX and i'd just hold my line so he could rip around me. Talked to him after and it was awesome that he was stoked on us making the drive cross country. Really is the nicest dude in Moto. If there was ever a riders union he would need to be its president.
Dean's the man
*Chad Reed & Eli Tomac* both won *2* titles the only *4* titles won by someone who's Never been part of the *Baker Factory* program in the last *20yrs*
Langston, Kenny and DF14 all won outdoor titles
@@decano5147 TRUE ..
I was talking SX
Since 2000 his riders have won 16 sx championships and 14 mx championships in the 450/premier class.
Putting your body through so more physical stress causes so many bad things to happen. Aldon wants a one size fits all but moto has an art to it, and just working hard doesn’t get wins. You need to be having fun, be loose, working technique and style or else you’ll never win look at Marvin. I’m glad a lot of riders left
We’ll said.
His program doesn’t fit everyone. Some will benefit, some won’t. Just depends on the person.
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Bakers Factory will be in the history books for multiple reasons… a good bit of championships and in hindsight ruining a lot as well. Every rider is different and cookie cutter training isn’t the model. I mean how the fuck do you not allow a rider suffering in whoops too work on riding whoops…. That’s asinine…. But hey, Aldon’s only competed on bicycles riding on flat pavement where redundant training is effective.
Baker's Factory is going to be in the history books when the PED use by all the guys he trained comes out.
He's burning those guys out
Yes he is.
I think the speed of the riders has slowed down over the years. They got used to running a fast pace, but not like stewart or carmichael used too do. Jett and hunter are changing that. Their causing the other riders to have to pick up the pace. So glad this new fresh blood is dominating.
Reminds me of the Bulgarian weight lifting teams. Push everyone to the limit. Most will fall away and the few that can hack it will win. They will get results, but in weightlifting it’s evolved to be smarter.
Jase, I love your podcasts! Great to hear Deano on the show. I really liked Dean when he was just a small guy on Pro Circuit. Then the kid hit a huge growth spurt! He grew up and got tall and filled out! I seen him in Oakland and he was tall and filled out. I’ve always been a big fan of Dean and I felt bad after the Roczen thing cause I sent him a DM and was pretty mean. Then later that night I wrote him a long apology. It really wasn’t his fault! I just really didn’t like Webb and wanted Roczen to win and I let my emotions get the best of me and my mouth wrote some bad checks. Lol Deano is a class act! People don’t see how much he gives back to this sport! Spending his time off at a local track scoping out kids who could use a better bike and gear and then spending his own money to surprise some kid with a new bike and gear! That’s awesome! His filmer gets his van stolen with his
bike and everything inside and Deano goes out and hooks him up with a new 450 and gear! He works his ass off and Bobby and Husky have to be proud of him. All the injuries he’s gone thru and always comes back and fights! His dad is a kick in the ass too! When he went privateer and had his dad wrenching for him his little pit area at A-1 had more people around it than some of the big factory guys! That’s shows how much of a fan favorite he really is! I got to talk to him at A-1 and Oakland year after year and the guy is super nice and funny as hell! Great podcast with Deano and you gotta have him back again sometime.
Why doesn't anyone model their training after McGrath? He was the best supercross rider of all-time. Sometimes it's important to go to Lake Havasu and decompress, as the stress from constant training can be counterproductive.
The sport has changed so much in the last 20+ years. Things will never be the same 😕
That’s Justin hill currently
It won’t work as long as someone is committed enough to go to aldons and blow themselves up in 3 years for max results.
The ones that are living like that aren’t winning races, that’s why lol. Sports too competitive these days
Like everyones said, Ricky Carmichael changed the sport with his ultra dominant, crazy hard training ethics.
Aldon ruined James Stewart. He was counter productive and James fell out of love with training. He ruined the mindset of the best rider of all time.
That started years before Alden
I’m not talking about cinnamon twists and Mountain Dew, I’m talking about cycling and using the row machine during all waking hours. It’s literally mind numbing and frustrating to do that day in and day out. That single handedly ruined training for Stewie.
James did 8 20 min motos a day before he even knew baker his daddy was the best coach he ever had
@@shotgunbrown2821 baker wouldn’t make him do motos to train like big James did, he would make him road cycle and do circuit training to an unbearable level. James has talked about it a couple times in interviews.
Yes, because what they don’t even hit on is the mental toll. It’s always about the physical, but mental is just important. Some guys are different and need time to think and digest things. Not everyone is just a robot on repeat. Mad respect for Jason for leaving. Let’s see how he does not. He’s always been a laid back, chill dude, that is insanely talented. Hopefully this will be an even bigger movement forward for him.
*Deno* has some great insight going from *PC* then friends with *Reed* where he filled in on a handful of races at *#TwoTwoMotorsports* so he seen his program. Then ending up at *Bakers* along with the handful of different programs he's been with on privateer & fully back manufacturer teams
I think it’s time to move on passed Aldon. It’s his way or the highway and if you ever want to see someone miserable just look at Villopoto. I’m not saying Aldon did that to him but working 7 days a week with some pinhead ordering you around is not the way.
If I’m being honest, it doesn’t sound like much of a life. I get being a champion in something, anything, is huge. But man. No wonder Villopoto was completely content with retiring, and a lot of people don’t get it. But this should help make it clear why.
Very true
Alden raised the level of the training for the sport. All sports have done this over the last few decades. Now, other teams have put programs in place, and t's paying off for them too.
Let's give him credit, it's made the sport better.
Aldon didnt make RC, RC made Aldon, same with JS7, Aldon knew he worked for RC, and Aldon had zero to do with RC and James's on bike training, they both have made that clear, Aldon Actually stole RC's moms on bike routine!!!
That’s sick how’d you find that out??
@@kaydenpedersen5883 watch and listen to both RC and JS7, Aldon didnt start with the riding Coaching tell RV!!!
@@kaydenpedersen5883 RC had a non disclosure contract with Aldon he wasn't allowed to speak of their program to anybody, alot of things have changed, and Aldon got his start with RC through Johnny O, because Johnny would'nt move to florida, so he set RC and Aldon up!!!
Webb had a nightmare that he escaped bakers factory and ended up at the Tomac ranch.
Deano you the man 100percent honest and down to earth you going a long way when / if you retire plus you fast as fuck dude 💨💨
This literally sounds like the epitome of overtraining scenarios and potentially a very good argument for allowing riders to have input and help self direct their program.
The monotony from how he described it is literally a fatigue metric that we track in professional soccer sport science. I like what Alcon has done for the sport but it’s time he brought in better outside professionals and or allow riders to seek out their own professionals.
Seems a similar idea to remote work. The company may want everyone and everything in one place, but if you're not excited to go to the office, or excited to work within a repetitive program, your mental (determination, health, etc.) may fade. And mental means so much in this sport, and most highly competitive, professional positions in general.
Who has won a 450 title with out Aldon since Ricky? Reed, Tomac, Langston, Roczen, DF14?
What people forget it that Aldon only did Ricky’s fitness. Ricky’s mom was his riding coach. I remember in a magazine when Ricky was riding for Honda they showed a planner for a week. It was like 2 40 minute motos, then working on sections like whoops.
No wonder RC is such a nerd. His Mom probably STILL does his laundry
What magazine?
Those who ride Moto put their lives on the line every time they enter the gate,if they're not having fun, then the risk is not worth it! Motocrossers are a different breed, they are the 1%, they are the daredevils. they push themselves to the extreme, every time they get on a bike. These trainers have to remember that these unbelievable athletes are still human beings, not robots!!!
Same here on 2 wheels I reach 35mph maybe 40 and a governor kicks in. On 4wheels it's wide open to clear everything
sorry for stupid question… are bikes that civilians can buy governed at ~40mph !?
Every athlete needs individualized training. It is an insecure and maybe psychotic person who thinks and trains otherwise. Yes, it’s good to have someone push you into mental toughness but there are limits. Having a significant background in psychology and understanding humans, more often than not “less is more”. There are examples of this throughout all aspects of history and life. As someone who coached baseball, I viewed and trained everyone as an individual and was successful at it. If the person had athletic ability my entire job was to get them out of their head and I was damn good about it because I genuinely cared about “the individual”. And yes, I did race MX back in the 80’s so I’m not talking out my ass. People are people and the mind is the mind no matter what sport.
We’ll said
On the bike is the best training no matter what, the one that can make you faster is you yourself they may tell you to do something this way but you do that same thing better your way ever one is different. being confident in your riding is key.
Being a 450 supercross champion is probably more important to Jason than whether he gets fired or not lol
Theres a time and a place when burnout occurs. And when they get cooked, they need a way to step back and refresh. Thats common sense
Think you spelled “Prison” wrong 😅
It’s French 😂
@@NobleSpeedmotoworks No, Spanish.
How is it supposed to be spelt?
Aldon seems like a really awesome guy and I am a KTM fan, but you have to look at how Bennick really improved in a short time after going to Star. I don't want to hear it's Star running pro bikes in armatures, the program needs some revamping.
Is this the first time technology has pressured the athletes into an obligation? I wouldn’t sign my thoughts to Ktm or husky for 10 million a year. Sometimes you just can’t ride period..
tomac 100% proved u dont need it now LOOK AT JA21 he wasnt winnin with alkdon and almost quit now he left and had 7 wins this year
Nice and relaxing after
deannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooo its been too longggg, good shit jace
It’s hard to listen to this content because it underscores how far this sport still needs to go in terms of understanding, and applying, proper training practices. Jase….yes, there absolutely is a point of diminishing returns and sadly, most train beyond that threshold.
Lol knock the doors off the hinges when I make my entrance!
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That voice man
Deano needs to be a politician
Programs that produce results don't have room for variations, error, or complaints.
Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. Just because a program is the best at one time doesn't mean it always will be if they don't change. Should be looking for continuous incremental improvements
This is why off road racing is the best. None of this nonsense.
KR557 trained at the baker factory
Prison sucks. But Prision? That place is horrible.
If prison was so bad then why are people not afraid to go.
Deano is the boy
Aldon's ass has gotten in his own head too many times lately. Have seen other trainers in sports do it....goes backwards after a bit.
Riders are Independent Contractors per their contract. Independent Contractors can not be told: Who, what, when or where to do/prepare for their jobs. They are contracted to race at certain events and their time before and after those events is Independent. KTM/Husky are violating the riders contract. They would have to sign an employee contract to be forced to train at Baker's.
What a load of nonsense
Lots of comments here pretty much against Baker Factory. Track record: Ricky, James, RV, RD, KR, CW, JA, etc., etc. It may not be perfect but it has a proven track record.
Baker's riders are over trained, and it shows.
Mexican Prision or English Prison?
Not sure if you're familiar at all with wrestlers and the way they train. It is freaking HARD! I'm talking NCAA wrestling programs, some high school but you look at Penn State, their program has dominated the past decade with Chael Sonnen as the head coach. All their guys talk about the practices where it is just a screw off kind of deal. The practice, cutting weight, etc. is so intense that this program has realized they need to blow off steam. You can't go 24/7 hard! Some guys are wired like that, maybe Dungey is but most people like your Jason Andersons and some of those guys are willing to work hard but they need to play hard, too. You can't push most people that hard EVERY day!!
Not everyone can be an Aldon Baker or Mike Brown or Ryan Dungey or Eli Tomac. These guys seem to be able to just grind and grind and grind!
I might not be going that fast it's the feel of it though haha
Was full
Aldon makes em champs
Eat plenty brownies power down!
“Under Aldons Wang”
He he!
They build machines to pair with other machines...there is no "human factor" other than pain and repetition.
Might be ok for some but it isn't the end-all be-all for everyone. Different things work for different folks. If Bakers is more like a prison, who the hell would want to do that?
thats where the mistakes are made. Its not about being the next king of triathalon its about winning at motocross which is not just being in savage shape its about being smooth and relaxing. Look at the top distance runners they actually work on loose relaxed running not go go go all the time. I think Aldon baker was a great trainer for carmichael but those days are gone. Yes you need to be in shape but you dont need to be the next david goggins to win.
Shame on me I always thought the rider picked and paid trainers out of their own salary
Dean is the last person to talk about training , he has sucked ever since he got on a 450 and is nothing but a lapper and should be retired , because he is in the way .
Tell us the program 😂
Tomac is all the proof you need you don't have to go through Alden bullshit and have to train and stay at the farm
Deano u need to do some heavy weighs short reps it will make u a dog and mean
Hotel hot tub
Want to be an elite... do what nobody else is willing to do. Yes you can take a natural fat kid and make him an elite athlete who becomes a champion. Discipline always wins.
Look at Tom Brady compared to Cam Newton.
Natural talent without massive drive rarely wins championships. I was a gifted alpine ski racer but had a string of injuries in hs, including a near fatal ski collision my sophomore year. I went through a mental change after my accident and stopped doing dry land training and tried to rely on talent. You can't come off the couch and win elite FIS (federation of international skiing) races no matter how talented you are. If you can't squat 350 lbs your legs will give out during a 2 min 30 sec downhill race going upwards of 80+ mph.
You need the genetics first
@@shonuffLA yeah like Carmichael with his long legs and naturally slim body
@@BenWilson24 genetics is a lot more than that. durability, coordination etc is paramount
More like-- look what PED's can do.
Is this Podcast necessary to MX..??⚡️🤔
Speedo and a cowboy hat
Burnouts 🫠🫠
Great show !
Nice try on the thumbnail but its "Prison" :P
You don't have to be a genius in motocross when there is little to no testing for performance enhancing drug use.