Volvo XC40 Recharge P8 10-80% Charging Speed & Time Test!
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I finally do my new standarized charging speed test, where we meassure the average charging speed from 10-80% and also the time it takes.
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Kris, calculating the average charging speed from sample points is skewing the results slightly because you are giving equal weighting to each point, which is not accurate because the higher speed points are valid for a shorter period of time. I think the best way to calculate the average speed is simply to divide the total kWh delivered to the battery (probably the kWh delivered by the charger less a 5-10% loss ) and then divide by time. This will give you the exact average charging speed over a period of time
This is true and I will refine my method based on this 😊 I will use the data points to make the charge curve though 😊
Yes, but still, charging curve is very interesting as it can help using the car the most efficiently when on long trips, most efficient % to start charging on and % you want to stop at as the charging throttles on the end.
But on a trip it's really not interesting how many kWh you get in a certain time period of of charging, but how many km you get in a certain time period.
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Kris, American subscriber here. I love your videos and Bjorn's videos. Very well done with a ton of incredible information. We own a Fiat 500e and a Cadillac ELR (PHEV) and I'm watching closely for my next EV to replace the Caddy. The Volvo C40 and the e-Tron Q4 are at the top of my list when they come out. this video helps me anticipate the C40 since it is essentially the sportback version of the XC40. From what I have seen the Q4 is essentially the Audi version of the ID.4. I can't wait for these two to come out so you and Bjorn can do your tests on them.
1st, i'm a subscriber. And i did it because of the interaction between you and Bjørn, when you are interacting together it is dubbel fun to watch the video's. Keep up the good work and great thnx for that!!! 🍻🥳👍🏼 Love from 🇳🇱 (NL)
Hei Kris
Great video👍 I own a hybrid version of XC40 and I think its one of the best in class. I was really looking forward to P8 but after watching your and Bjørn's video, I think I will wait until you guys test P8 again in the summer becuase for me range and consumption in summer is more important than in winter.
Thanks! Yeah, summer consumption will be very interesting!
Hello Kamal. What is your experience and opinion regarding the possible hard noise the car blower of the PHEV Hybrid version makes whilst cooling the battery during charging? Some reports say this can be a nuisance to owners and their neighbors? 😏
Hi Kris! Great videos, I really enjoy your content and I find it very helpful. I own a regular XC40 and just love it. The size and and form factor suits my lifestyle here in Canada. I am EV curious and of course my preferred car is the XC40. I am interested to know if these cars you tested had the heat pump installed and what the difference would be with and without the heat pump in terms of real world range in the winter. I know this was done before the software update in April and I am reading in US forums where Volvo was having issues with the heat pump and had in fact disabled it until a fix was found. I am now reading the heat pump issue has been solved. Too bad Volvo had fixed this issue initially before releasing. In my opinion these cars should come installed with a heat pump for northern countries. As you know -20 can be a certainty for at least a few weeks a year. Anyway, keep it up! You and Bjorn really provide awesome content that is very useful.
Hey Kris, I subscribed specifically because you are so passionate about the charging and range of EVs. I'm totally onboard with the 10% to 80% average kW metric and hope others do the same. Thanks for calling out manufacturers on their misleading claims.
Thank you so much for your feedback! Glad you find my content usefull :)
I'm not sure that's such a great idea (for manufacturer numbers) since you'll get people that don't understand that sharing a 22kw AC charger won't "get you the speed Volvo promised". Just feels like there are too many variables for it to make sense. The WLTP test cycle for range has very very specific conditions that have to be met to ensure equal numbers.
@@KrisRifa I would LOVE to see both curve and average for 10-80, maybe do a spreadsheet? Could include with/without preheating, cold weather, warm weather.
I'm thinking like top gear had like a "wet lap" on the leader board, if you're familiar
Love honest real life real world test👏
Subscribed👍🇳🇴
Thanks 😊
Great video please keep on doing this test, super interesting! There should be test (like WLTP and EPA) to measure the time to charge the battery from 10 to 80%, charging peak is not useful unless you have a car like e-Tron that is able to maintain almost all the time.
Thanks for the nice feedback! I'll keep doing average charge speed and time :)
Kris, thanks for the test! I feel sorry to see you having troubles at Ionity. However, navigating to the HPC helped a bit (didn´t it ?) and Bjørn was also navigating to the HPC´s and got "good" charging speeds (~135kW). I don´t think Volvo is lying at least with the charging time. Charging from 0% to 80% means about 60kWh (100% is 75kWh) in XC40 which is about 64kWh (brutto) with charging loss. To achieve this in 40mins requires avg charging speed of 95.5kW (64kWh/0.67h) which isn´t far what Bjørn recoreded. However, for now, as you mentioned, constant 140-150kW speed seems to be far-fetched but they are only saying "up to 150kW" and not making any promises that it will charge at that speed. Nevertheless, I think Volvo has taken a very conservative/cautious attitude towards the charging with their first EV....but this charging curve might still improve in the future when they gather more data from us "beta-testers" :) Where Volvo should do better is delivering information. For example, we have no glues how the heat pump is actually working. When does the battery heat up and how and how long it requires to heat up? Just while driving? What about during the home charging? If it heats up during charging, should the charging be scheduled to end just before departure? The manual says nothing about these things. But yeah, good work Kris!
Up to 150 means 150 should be possible, else it would be up to 149 or less...
I too would love some info from Volvo very lacking.
I was assuming the we would be able to precondition the car via an app whilst still plugged in to domestic supply.
You can’t even get a phone to link to the car yet, let alone do anything useful. Not sure it was a nearly finished product when they released it.
It is ok doing software updates but they need to come quicker and with more in them than I have seen in last 4months
For me the charging curve is more important than average speed because the DC stations at Petro Canada, BC Hydro etc still calculate charging cost by amount of time used
Good to know! I will including charging curve for all cars I test in the future then :)
Hello Kris. I am a very happy subscriber! Proud owner of Peugeot e2008... Loving it so far. Waiting to see the range in the summer as i live in a hot country. Keep up the good work!
Before anyone crucifies me, I’ve been to the websites of the manufacturers (and I’m not trying to support them, I just think people are expecting too much) and they all say-“charging speeds of up to 150kwh in optimal conditions “ the keys words here are ‘up to’ and ‘optimal conditions’ so no matter what we go and tell them, you’ll have to show you were in optimal conditions for the duration of the charge, which I’m guessing is nearly impossible in any situation, hence they can make these claims. Fortunately some companies hold themselves up to a higher standard and deliver closer to what they promised.
And I’m not subscribed (not only to you) but to many EV reviewers, because they are all to biased and never look things from every angle and always complain too much about their individual gripes, instead of actually giving us all the information first before giving their opinion closer to the end-once someone start with something like-the car only has x kilometres of range, which in my opinion is to little etc, or I don’t like the look of the car etc most of the time I already know the reviewer is gonna have some from of bias. If they waited till the end to give their opinions, it would feel more unbiased-hope this constructive criticism helps
That’s me too, it’s up to 150kW and not permanently or in average and all the manufacturers do give additional informations for a expected time from a certain level to a other certain level.
Those informations for the XC40P8 and the e-tron ar different:
Volvo 0-80% 40 minutes at 20°C
Audi 5-80% 30 minutes no information about a specific temperature
Thanks for your comment, it is very helpfull and much appreciated :)
I agree on what you are saying about reviewers and RUclipsrs, many have already made up their opinion before they drive the car. I'm also guilty of that, and am trying to make videos more in line with what you are saying here. Because I do agree with you :)
When regarding charging speed it is my belief that the majority of people get the majority of their information about cars from either articles or videos. E.g. journalists, reviewers or RUclipsrs, and most of them get their information from the manufactureres. Car journalists often just quote the information given from the car makers. Just read just about every arcticle or video on any ev done by a journalist. There are very few people actually putting EV claims to the test, and I think doing this and calling the automarkers out will in the end benefit us, the consumers. Like I said in the video, both Audi and Volvo claim peak speed of 150kW under ideal conditions. I have no problem with that, its not the information the automakers actually give I have a problem with - it is the context, or rather lack of perspective. Because when we test to aussmingly similar claims, the results are very different.
Imo the automakers should include this regarding charging:
10-80% SOC Average Speed
10-80% SOC Time taken
10-80% Charge Curve
All of this should be quoted at for example 20,10,0,-10 degrees celsius.
If they don't then at least I will :)
@@KrisRifa You’re Welcome. I agree, that it would be recommended, to have more detailed Informations, about expected charging speeds.
The problem is, it’s not only the car, and the temperature, it’s the charging station to, that makes the difference.
Communication between cars, they’re different software states and charging stations and they’re software states make thousands of possible combinations, what makes it much more complicated, than with any petrol or diesel car.
What I don’t like about this video, is the title, because Volvo is definitely not lying, yours and Bjoern’s time was not far, from that, what Volvo is claiming, at a 20-30° lower temperature.
A other point of these tests is, the driven average speed, is not realistic for most customers, especially not living in a wide country with that low population, as Norway.
Great test, totally agree with this. It's not good that Polestar/Volvo have a claimed 150kw that 'might' be possible in warm weather conditions. One thing that really annoys me is that they have chosen not to display proper charging data in the car. Great video!
I agree, however, Audi have a claimed 150kw in any condition. Kris and others confirm this. Volvo/Polestar and others need to learn a thing or two from this.
Yeah I know! And I’ve watched several of your videos where you aren’t getting the claimed speed either 😬😬
@@edgy21 yes I totally agree! Polestar and volvo should sort this out
So did it preheat the battery?
I watch your videos and Bjørn, but he is to into tesla so i Get bored.
Keep up the good work, and keep making theese charging videos.
Thanks alot! Yeah.... I'm actually not sure... have asked Volvo to comfirm or deny preheating and heatpump claims :) We'll have too wait and see!
I will never buy a Tesla, Elon Musk is too much of a prick and you get better looking Ev's from other companies now, that are better out together, so why bother with Tesla?
@@sandersson2813
See that and i dont desagree with you.
Tesla have the best tek and i would love to have that in my Ampera-e but the rest they can have to them selfs.
Tesla are expensive cars and cost alot to own.
I dont need 400 hk
But i would like the charging of ID3
Heard that both ID3-4 will get up to 170 KW charging this year.
Thats pretty good.
@@dennisbjergmadsen5163 Tesla design has clearly evolved from basing the Model S on the 2008 Jaguar XF and as such like pretty much all American design looks out of date and derivative.
Tech isn't really that important these days when everyone has good software. Self driving is not allowed at the moment so there's no point in having it and Tesla have proven there's isn't reliable anyway.
Give me an I Pace, E-tron , Polestar, Taycan etc over a Tesla and their appalling build quality any day of the week.
@@sandersson2813 So how does this work? Since you don't buy a Tesla because of Elon, is the opposite also true, that you would buy an Audi because Markus Duesmann is a nice chap? ;-)
For the ID.3 Volkswagen claims 5-80% in 35 minutes. Björn verified this in his tests. This information together with the charging curve is much more important than the maximum or average charging speed.
Thanks for your feed back! Seems like people like different information, so in the future I will provide these so as many people as possible get the information they want:
Peak charge speed (claimed vs real world)
Average charge speed 10-80%
Time to charge 10-80%
Charge curve 10-80%
@@KrisRifa maybe add "time at peak" to flatten spikes? Obviously you'd have to have a bit of tolerance built in (like within 5kw of peak).
I find it disturbing that, when driving an EV, I should jojo it for getting a reasonable charging speed. When buying a car I expect that it is ready to use without me starting to do funny things before loading it.
don't have to with a heatpump and/or navigating to a hpc. Both Kris and Björn have had the same press car without heatpump (and are comparing it to their own well driven personal cars).
I think Volvo should be more open about cold weather effects on charging speed though...
@@XLoaferY Agree. It is just weird that this is not a standard feature in a relatively pricy car. EQC, eTron and many others are equipped this way. For me, it appears as necessary as a petrol-pump in a classic car.
@@ThomasZadro agree. But it's like 600 euros for a car that is many thousands cheaper so not that big of a deal (at least to me).
If dont want to bother just buy combustion engine .Problem solved
Great job Kris!👏
I have seen a few other reviews on charging times and two examples, one below 0 degrees and the other below 10 degrees. One tested near 0 to 80 and did it in less time than you. The other achieved it in 37 minutes. A lot of the calculation on charging speeds depends on the source as well. For example if the complete station can support a max of 500kWh and they have 6x 150kWh chargers, they cannot push the maximum of 150 if al 6x stations are in use. The supply would fluctuate depending on cars leaving and cars arriving.
It was 46 min. to 80 %, see ruclips.net/video/EpxWF1Aj6VY/видео.htmlm14s
Thanks for the video. Either manufacturers or organizations like ADAC, TUV, etc should publish the charging curves at standard ambient and battery temperatures. For example, fast charge in a lab setting at 25, 0 and minus 10 Celsius, with battery pre-heating only if it is a standard feature on the test vehicle.
Thanks! Yeah that's actually a very good idea! If enough people watch and subscribe I can sometime in the future make my own lab! A climate controlled room and my own HPC charger so I can test different temperatures :)
I agree it should be a standard set of test as getting juice into the battery speed is very important.
It would need checking to as we all know the manufacturers cheat
Excellent video Kris. I am surprised to see that most new EVs with faster official charging speed (not Teslas and E-trons) actually chage slower than my 62kwh 10 years old technology Nissan Leaf when charging at 150 Kw chargers. Let me give you some numbers from my trip from Sør Trøndelag to Oslo the 2nd of January. 575 km with 2 stops. 1st stop in Kvikne 15-82% Fortum Kvikne outside temperature -13 degrees I charged 36 Kw in 50 minutes. 2nd stop MER Amfi Elverum 5-80% outside temperature -11 degrees I charged 46 Kw in 60 minutes. In both cases the battery was cold (temperature indicator) due to low speed driving in snow,ice and low temperatures. I was getting averages of 40 kw in both cases all the way until 80% not bad at all considering that I was charging at 50-62kw chargers.
hei kris, first of all your video quality is on a high level. Sometimes I would like to see different content than bjorns videos. Could be e.g. introducing of infotainment system or different consumptions in the several drive modes. At some point it looks like the viewers get the same content on bjorns channel so you might not gain that much views on tests like this one. Apart from that, keep going with the good work!
Thanks alot for your feed back, it is much appreciated :) The video that drops tomorrow is on the XC40's infotainment system actually! I will try to make more videos that are different from Bjørn's in the future :)
Would be useful to have a link to a website where we could dowload charging curve & excel sheets
40 minutes up to 80% is what Volvo has marketed. So regarding charging they are delivering about what is promised. On the 150 kW, that is "in perfect conditions" -- and doesn´t say how long. Expecting 150 kW does not agree with the 40 minute charge time.
Thanks for a Nice video! I agree with Roger, Volvo (and Polestar) claims charging to 80% should take 40 mins: www.volvocars.com/no/v/cars/xc40-electric?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAiAouD_BRBIEiwALhJH6AxpqDq3rhZk4VpGVv1bcytDak_k8C6S2DOEFBTKXnQOSU1JnVLEjBoCzxgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Volvo advertise 0-80% in 40 min, 10-80% should be quicker than 40min 🥳
Interesting test. But I guess there is a problem that the test could have a bias because of how much power is taken out from all poles. And then the test is also a test of the loading station. If you can be sure that the pole has no limitation at all, I guess it could be more accurate. What is most interesting is - as you also say in the video - the charging time from 10-15 % up to 60, 70, and 80 % (you said 10-80, but there could also be interesting up to lower %).
Kris, you can check out ( insideEV ) Kyle and Tom does similar test in the US ... I also do some test however note really published results to public, anyways note that most manufacturer advertising peak charging speed .. not charging curve speeds .. so if you get a peak of 134kW then I Agree that’s less than 150kW .. still their could be other factors why you did not hit a peak of 150kW ..
Note that only the Audi eTron on the market has a flat 150kW curve to 80% .. Audi should advertise that .. as only manufacturer advertise upto 150kW charging rates..
In the meantime Volvo have acknowledged the fact that the range is to be improved and so is loading speed and they confirmed that action is taken to upgrade on both issues. Also new software for the heat pump is promised. Navigation to a high speed charger should preheat the batteries, that too is confirmed. Though that is already in place it is not in the manual.......
I don't think they are lying, feels a bit clickbait-y to say so. But good effort, must be frustrating to encounter so many problems!
Even though I didn't like this video, you do interesting content and I am already subscribed!
Nobody has ever seen 150 kW from Polestar or Volvo. Change my mind!
I appreciate your comment, and the title may be a little "click-baity". On the other hand why aren't anybody getting the claimed 150kW peak? Not in the XC40 or Polestar 2. If I said I had 150 euros, but you could only count 134 - wouldn't I be lying? :)
@@KrisRifa true, but it's also very very cold outside, chargers are breaking when you test (or the car breaks). My main gripe is that they DO get the stated 10-80 time but not entirely 150KW. If I told you I had ALMOST 150 euros, you wouldn't be angry with me if it turns out it was 140, would you?
My second point would be time. The etron is an awesome car (and I would love to have that as my daily driver). But it's also been out for a long time, getting updates. The volvo is brand new so comparing them is hard. It's also hard to compare 150kw "capable" cars to 100kw cars. Clearly chargers can more consistently deliver at lower speeds.
My point is this; it's a decent result and they're not (technically) lying. They way UP TO 150kw and 40 minutes to charge to the recommended limit. You are getting 133 and 46 minutes in terrible conditions. I think it's a bit of hyperbole to go all in on the lying part.
I dunno, maybe I'm just defensive because I've decided to get one with my very specific use case. We do almost exclusivly city driving, charge at home @ fixed cost. Clearly there's a market for the Volvo and seems like the people that actually own them LOVE to drive them.
Tell you what, I'll take my Volvo WITH heatpump to Ionity in 4 weeks and film it for you :)
Thanks for your very interesting videos, I'm looking forward to see more of thems!👌 How are the differents between the Volvo P8 and the Polestar 2 according charging speed and consumtion, this could be interesting.
Not many chargers here over 50 so most charging I do is like that. Did try one long trip and it was a nightmare so not done it again. Plugged in to a 350 would not connect. Tried 3 other pumps and no go.
It was a hot day does that effect them? Not to mention why is there hardly ever a roof !
Went to a brand new huge specialist charging station, no one else there. Best I saw was 83. Could have been the place itself but I agree with you 150 for any length of time is a pipe dream.
Your test of 10-80 should be a published test along with the range.
Question. You seem to have Km along side the % charge left. How do you get that I can’t find how to put it on. Maybe not on UK cars
Thanks for informativ videos.
North of my hometown Stockholm thera are not many high power charger. 50 kw is different and more easy for the batteri to recive.
I allso think that long distance drivning with charging stops are not so common for most of us.
Having said that, The problem you adress is an important one.
Keep up your good work.
Yes, but with the enormous consumption, you'll spend hours charging at 50kW.
@@JohnDoe-vx3z or don't and charge at home or at work? Going to a HPC or "filling up" is not the smartest way to charge up IMO. Do it in the time you're not using the car!
Thanks for the video Kris. Interesting. Like always - the car manufacturers claim something realistic only in artifical conditions which have nothing to do with reality. Sad but true.
Thanks :)
If you want the average speed then divide the amount delivered by the time. No need to sample data points.
Thanks! The datapoints are also used to make the charge curve 😊
@@KrisRifa Which is great to show but for the average charge it’s much easier to divide the total charge by the time. :)
Is it possible to use a data logging app such as Scan My Tesla to log the data whilst charging? I got a lovely charge plot this week showing soc and charging speed at a V3 supercharger. And I know than Scan My Tesla is a tesla specific app but there are others out there.
Fastned are reporting 150kW for the Polestar 2 between about 8% and 16% SoC, followed by some stepwise drops on the way up. support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/360012258358-Charging-with-a-Polestar-2
It is interesting that in some respects charging in cold weather should be better, not worse, because charging speeds are dictated not only by the temperature of the battery but also of the ancillary components like cables, connectors and busbars. These are easier to keep cool if the ambient temperature is low. You just need to implement proper battery heating en-route to the charger to ensure that the batteries themselves are at the right temperature to start.
I find the charging curve for this pack (in the Polestar 2 also) quite interesting: Unlike cars from other manufacturers, this pack seems to have a tendency to drift charging power up and down and be a little unstable during charging. You can see it in the Fastned curve, and also in the videos that Bjørn has produced. This would be consistent with a thermal management issue in some part of the pack (a local temperature running right on it's limit), though it could also just indicate an unstable BMS algorithm too.
Great work👍
Really good video !! Hope you can test soon the BMW iX3, it would be my real choice !!!
Waiting for that test :=)
The charging curve information you are giving is amazing. Wonder if other charging infrastructure besides Ionity would improve the charging speed/reliability for this car as I doubt Volvo is an Ionity member. Also I assume you are using Ionity app as other apps may theoretically get reduced speed too depending Ionity software decision making
Assuming the Ionity chargers were working normally (i.e. able to provide up to 150 kW), then it's the car that decides how much power it would like the charger to provide. The car keeps updating all the time, like "ok, now give me 120 kW if you can, now give me 100 kW, etc." The chargers themselves know nothing about the charge curves of each car.
@@nettlesoup I hope it's as simple as you say. Because theoretically Ionity software infrastructure could have hidden code in the charger but more likely the backoffice that results in throttling charging speed for nonpreferred brands/apps. The backoffice will know if ionity app was used for example (and more difficult but technically possible to know if Volkswagen we connect app used). Just as it was eventually discovered there was hidden code that resulted in better carbon dioxide scores depending on unexpected factors
Good work!
I will encourage you to use these tests/videos to put pressure on the norwegian car dealers, so they can go on pushing the manufacturs to introduce a user interface for battery heating. These cars have a proper thermal management system, but they don’t use it as they should to heat up the battery. Including the e-tron. Really sad that charging speed is low because of cold gating - in cars that have up to 11kW heat element..! Let us heat up our batteries when needed!
(Off topic: What happens if one subscribe to a you tube channel??)
How thirty is it?
Interview with Volvo's CTO in Norwegian/Swedish.
www.tu.no/artikler/volvo-vil-utvikle-all-elbilteknologi-selv/505450
Does the interior have any ambient lighting?
Hey, i’m not a subscriber. I watch 2 or 3 of your videos. Really interesting. I won’t subscribe cause all videos are about the Volvo and i won’t purchase that car. Went for the tesla model 3 instead. But the volvo was on my radar. Keep up the good work !
Do a 1000km race with Björn
Kris, great review and love your videos as they have been very informative. Since you had all these issues in January have you tried a Volvo recently to see if it still has all the charging issues? Seems the ID.4 has a great charging curve.
Interesting video 👍 especially the charging curve. Not amazed by the curve, or the average. But I'm not super disappointed about the average, since Volvo's and other manufacturers advertise a maximum speed. That maximum are under ideal conditions. Not cold winter days in Norway. Same with stated fuel consumption on non EV's or states range on EV's. All under ideal conditions. So 150kW are just maximum. But maybe Volvo's XC40 has a higher charging speed difference/reduction in winter months than comparable EV's? I don't know.
You would be ok if they state 200 kW max? I mean...Honda E also had some "100 kW" max. capability that was only 52 kW or so in realworld tests...
@@abraxastulammo9940 Would be ok as long as it's possible to achieve that speed if you are charging under these ideal conditions. Or as close as possible these conditions. If the XC40 P8 doesn't deliver like 135-140 ish on a warm ish summer day I would for sure be disappointed..
Thanks Kristian :)
There are two things I'm critiquing here, and maybe I'll make a follow up video to be clear.
#1 - The claimed peak speed of 150kW is no where to be seen on the CMA-EV (XC40 P8 and Polestar 2). No body is getting close to that 150kW, not even with the P2 in summer time. I got 126kW peak when it was 14 degrees outside and after three hours of driving.
#2 - All manufacturers quote peak speed with no regard to charge curve, Volvo aren't the only ones doing this. I also want to highlight that not all quoted charging speeds are equal, something that E-Tron vs XC40 P8 shows.
If people like me an Bjørn don't point this out, then who is going to when neither journalists or automakers do?
@@volvo_kristian In the next update peak should be 155 kW and better charging from 0 - 15%
That’s not a charging curve it’s a charging cliff. 😂
Hi Kris!
If you look at Volvocars homepage they don't claim that you will always have 150kWh.
From Norweigian Volvocars.no home page:
"Når det trengs er det enkelt å lade batteriet hjemme eller på jobb - eller via hurtiglading fra null til 80 % på omtrent 40 minutter**.
** DC hurtiglading gir OPPTIL 150 kW under OPTIMALE ladeforhold."
So in my opinion 46.46min in winter condition is not to far off what they claim?
I think many car reviewers focus almost to much on range and charging speed etc. A car is so much more than that. For the majority of people 250-350km range is totaly fine 98% of the days. I charge at home and if you plug it in over night I always have 80 or 90% in the morning. If you travel a lot then of course it is an issue with low charging speed.
Volvo and Polestar claim 150kW of peak speed, but the issue is no body is getting this. Nowhere in the world, no matter climate are getting 150kW of peak. My E-tron will peak at almost 150kW under the same conditions:
ruclips.net/video/ohA6Zmp1gjs/видео.html
0-80% SOC in 40min should give a theoretical time of 35min from 10-80% SOC (which is what I test). 47min vs 35min almost 35% longer. So the margin of error is way to high.
"I think many car reviewers focus almost to much on range and charging speed etc. A car is so much more than that."
That's why I do don't just test range and charging, but that information is also very important. And if we didn't focus on this, then who would and where would you get this information?
@@KrisRifa I totally agree it is an important issue to discuss and it is very good that you talk about this subject. Countinue to talk about pros and cons incl. charging/speed in the future and by the way I subscribed. Hope to see sub 40min charging time in the summer :)
@@jonander100 ID.4 delivers (in winter) 2-80% in 38:45 min.
@@abraxastulammo9940 Teslabjörn got 39 minutes for 10-80 for the Volvo. Is that for the Pro or Pure variant?
@@XLoaferY It was the exactly same car Kris has for testing, is it not?
Advertising 400km and it will might drive 300km at it best.
Surely that’s Falls under the false advertising law , yes the charger may offer up to 150kwh but what the pack can actually do is another thing , I think this is one for the advertising standards agency to clarify
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Short answer; they state the fastest theoretically possible charging speed to sell more cars, much like how the manufacturers state fuel consumption on fossil cars. It's just an ugly old habit that most manufacturers still have...
Unfortunately, the car is quite a bit disappointing in the EV department.
Volvo isnt lying, you dont pay attention, they never said it will be 150 kw all the time, its a peak number.
Did you even watch the video? I talk about peak speed several times, and yeah. No body can document higher peak speed than 134kW... so you’re the one not paying attention 🙈
@@KrisRifa Na you dont get it, i ment they have tested the car to take peak 150 kw, they didnt say you will get it when its cold, i saw the video though.
@@Mr_Seppo Well my point is, no body is getting this speed! Just go watch every Polestar 2 video out there on the internet, (mine included) that came out in the late summer/fall. With much higher temperatures, and still no body was getting the claimed 150kW. After 3 hours of driving and an ambient temperature of 14 degrees celcius I still only got 126kW peak....
@@KrisRifa i know what you are saying, they got it in lab i guess, i dont know but 134 kw is good enough.
I think you schould not jojo it, because which "normal" customer is doing such "nerdy" things? Your results are nevertheless even more embarassing, than the horrible results recorded by the netherlands charging company Fastned with a Polestar 2.
Some weeks ago I was charging next to a Polestar 2 at McDonalds (2x75kW) and he got an average of about 50kW at this charger, my E-Tron was at about 73 on average.
As a former Volvo XC90 T8 Driver I'm very disappointed about their first BEVs
Thanks! I wont be buying electric, nor will I be buying Volvo. Going with gas Mercedes or Audi. Its called FALSE ADVERTISING.
Guess I won't be buying a Volvo !
Expensive car, right? No way to confirm battery temperature? Plus you have to repeatedly verify charger operation. Please be very careful before condemning a manufacturer. So much at stake, including people's jobs. Who owns this company now? Is Volvo anything but a name at this point?
REMEMBER you are CHARGING THIS IN EXTREME COLD TEMPS!!!!!!! unfortunately there is no standardized test and they don't do these Test during FREEZING WEATHER!!!! this occurs to TESLA CARS and other EV vehicles too!!!! that is the KRYPTONITE of current EV CARS at this time! Charging times in extremely cold or extremely hot weather.....
No, he is not charging in extreme cold temperature... He is charging in moderate temperature.
The first charging location did not, according to public metrological data, have freezing temperatures in desember 2020. And it's only -5°C currently. So pretty warm.
Extreme cold, is at least -30°C. Remember this is a Swedish car.
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Why would anyone buy an EV vehicle?
Globally there were sold 6.4 million EVs in 2021, so there are many reasons. But som of the reasons are cheaper maintenance, cheaper running costs, more performance, more refinement, better tech and in some places like here in Norway EVs are cheaper than equivalent petrol or diesel cars.
@@KrisRifa sales count is not a reason to buy. In Us the price is significantly higher. The range is awful. Ev require electricity which needs to be created generally by fossil fuel. batteries are heavy and require precious metal which are mined mostly in poor counties by slaves. Mining creates pollution and EV will never be used to mine. Typical charge time is about 1 hour now. Waste of time and not convenient at all or efficient to use. At home if you don’t have a special charger it will take days to charge. Chargers are expensive. Without government subsidies the car would be much more expensive. I am sure I can come up with more