What is Salado Pottery? A Short Documentary About Ancient Arizona
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2020
- Almost a year in the making, in this video I tell the story of what was going on in Arizona 700 years ago in what has been called the "Salado Phenomenon". The pottery I am working to reproduce is a type that sprang up during that time and here I tell the story about what inspired this type of pottery and where did the people that make it go.
A whirlwind tour of the Southwest and ancient Arizona. In this video I visit 11 different prehistoric ruins and 8 different museums across Utah, New Mexico and Arizona.
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I have a confession, at first I didn't like that you were practicing the pot making style of my Southern brothers and sisters. But I have yet to find a good Indigenous artist of that area. So thank you very much for picking up the craft and teaching us. My late Dad was right,
There will be a time that we Indigenous people will learn from the White man. Fortunately my Dad/foster Dad who is Scottish taught me about skinning and processing meat. I was both fortunate and unfortunate to be raised by white people in the sixties scoop era. Dad was an amazing man, but his wife wasn't. I was raised on a farm and sent to a private school. Because I live with dyslexia and irlen syndrome I struggled a bit in school, I learned more from watching and doing things.
Have you done any work shops with the local Indigenous people's?
Thanks. I have a few really amazing Native potter friends down here you might not be aware of. Have you heard of Ron Carlos ruclips.net/video/jsq6zsfMxCs/видео.html or Harrison Preston ruclips.net/video/tojBZGMtk0Y/видео.html
I have had Natives take my workshops but never done a workshop exclusively for Native groups. My friend Tony has done pottery workshops for different tribes in his area and I always thought that was great opportunity.
Howdy Andy , I’ve just watched this particular video for the 3rd time around & i’m in agreement w/George C ! My grandparents , parents / aunts,uncles, all grew up & ranched in Redington Pass as well as along the San Pedro, we knew Dick Reeves & his wife ( Reeves ruin ) , as I also grew up in the 60’s/70’s, I was the only one that took an interest in basic archaeology & pottery making, my family asked me why the Polychrome sherd’s slip decor was crackled & falling off despite the fact that it was fired hundreds of years ago ( I didn’t have that answer ) , maybe possibly this would be a new angle/avenue for a new video for you to make & answer our questions as they seem to be interested in your channel as well ?! With deepest appreciation for your efforts to educate & share your love for our Prehistoric Southwest & your tireless energy to teach us more about Wild Clays & Pottery building , we 3rd generation hungrily follow you & your knowledge, Keep up the good work !
I live in Globe thanks for giving me history on the villages I see when I'm hunting. I can share with my kids and grand kids.
You are welcome. Globe is a great area with lots of history.
Watched it again, it does not get old
Awesome, glad to hear it!
I have found myself increasingly fascinated by Southwest pre-Columbian history and much of your content has served to fan that interest. Thanks
Wow, thank you! Glad I could help in that area.
Seconded, so incredibly interesting ❤
I love the historical background content and would like to see more of it 🙂
More coming June 22
This is an amazing video!! My wife and I have visited many ancient sites in southeast Arizona and southwest New Mexico. This video really made me aware of how sites, pottery, peoples, etc... were tied together. Thank you for sharing this!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it! It looks like you have similar interests in a similar area, let me know if you are interested in working together on a video some time.
I love learning the historical background of just about anything. I have always had a fascination with the ancient culture of the American west and especially the Southwest even before I lived here. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Andy.
Thanks Tom, glad you enjoyed it.
Totally enjoyed it. I had seen the years some of these structures where abandoned and wonder what had gone on. I had never thought about their history through their pottery. Adding to that knowning location specific clays. Please do more like this.
Just recently found this channel, and I'm more and more impressed with it as time goes on. I can't get enough of the historical and technical interconnections.
Thanks a lot.
Thank you so much for sharing all the knowledge you've gathered while enjoying your passion of pottery. This is such an interesting era and No one else seeing it's history from your perspective of art and essential pots. Appreciated.
Love the history and learning about the pottery too.
I lived in Arizona half of my life and never knew any of this-despite being surrounded by Kachinas and this pottery at every turn in Sedona. 😅 Fantastic video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This video was like finding gold for me! Amazing job putting all that info together in a beautiful video.
Thanks so much. My history/archaeology videos don't get as many views so it's great to hear from those who enjoy them.
I love your videos. All of them have great content and are a joy to watch. This video was a wonderful history lesson about a subject that thanks to you I have become very interested in. Thanks.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
Andy I have watched so many of your videos I almost feel like I know you. You have really sparked my interest in primitive pottery. You have such a wealth of knowledge. I am starting to believe that I too could construct a primitive pot. Thanks. You are the best. Marc
I find the history very interesting. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
I find it very refreshing to see all these videos about the south western people. It seems an awful lot of people are working on this topic. I hope they continue to find more information about these intriguing fellow humans who did so well in such a harsh environment. Thanks for your efforts.
You are welcome. It is indeed fascinating to see how these people didn’t just survive but thrived in this environment.
Thank you for taking us on your journey. This video is very well done. The images and audio are very high quality. I can tell you enjoy sharing your knowledge, and I look forward to seeing more in the future.
Thank you so much!
Very informative....best explanation I've heard about the factors driving the shifting cultural and political influences in this area.
Thank you, glad you liked it.
Thanks again for your interest and knowledge of this lands of history. Greed in any cultures are its own downfalls. History will tell you alot of human nature. Mother 🌎is going to clean herself up. Sad to say I am part of her demise. But my way of life is changing at the age of 53. Bigwater clan. I live in a small hut dirt floor and I am happy. Old ways are the best way for me. What ever Creator you pray to bless you 🙏.
The old ways would be best for all of us but most people are not willing to make the needed sacrifices. Thank you.
I like the history you present very much!!!
Glad you like them!
I love the history of this! Thank you! 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
I watch your films from Crimea on the Black Sea. Perfectly! Thank!
You are welcome. Clay and pottery are universal.
Thanks Andy
You’re the best!!❤
I'm a life long "Zonie" and I approve this message. 👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
That was a wonderful video. Thank you. Thanks for all the travel…and discussing what you were showing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I greatly enjoyed this history lesson and field trip to different places! Phantastic video!!!
Glad to hear that, thanks!
this video is amazing. I have never made a pot in my life, but i have been binge watching your content for a month, and i think im about ready to go dig a hole in my back yard and see what some of that Houston black gumbo can do (probably not much, haha!)
Thanks, glad I could inspire you
In my visits to Arizona, from Michigan, I've traveled much of this area. I knew something of the history in this area, but not to this depth. Thank you for this interesting video. During my next visit I will be thinking of this information you've skillfully presented.
Glad you enjoyed it, hope I can inspire your next trip.
Great video! I love learning the history of art and pottery.
Thanks
thank you for mentioning knishba, i was taken there some years ago, went back a couple of years ago and was heartbroken how much of it has been destroyed in a 10 year span. one of my favorite places. wasnt able to find much info on in interwebs but this makes total sense. thanks again for all of your hard work and i cant wait to check out your book
As far as I know the rebuilding of Kinishba took place back in the 1930s and there has been no maintenance on those structures since the 1940s. So it kind of makes sense that they are crumbling like they are. It was a lot cooler when I was a kid and it was in better shape, but it is still a cool place to visit.
Loved this video! Thank you😊
You're welcome
Just found your channel & subscribed. Nice work. So it was probably warfare that caused the abandoned area I’ve wondered about. Visited once or twice & I never heard a reason for the abandonment. But I was thinking that they left with ETs. Glad you gave me a more down to earth answer. Although it’s sad about the burned villages & villages built in a protective manner, at least I have an answer to a riddle that doesn’t involve ETs. Thanks, I’m going to watch all your videos.
Thanks you, I hope you enjoy my other videos.
One of my viewers just directed me to your channel and I am LOVING your content! The level of detail you include and the conclusions you draw from pottery styles is very interesting and refreshing. Subscribed!
Thanks a lot. Your Hohokam video has been popping up in my feed the last couple days but I haven’t had the time to check it out. I will do that tonight. Maybe we can collaborate on a project some time.
@@AncientPottery Thanks! I hope you like it.
It's been two years, gentlemen! Where's the collab? (Impatiently waiting)😂
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing!
You are so welcome.
wonderfully created and very informative video!
Definitely make more videos!
I will do it. Thanks!
Love all the information ❤❤❤
That is so interesting! Here in Brazil the original peoples didn't do any pottery, as odd as it may sound. Except for one ancient people who lived in the Amazonian island of Marajó. Known as Marajoara pottery. It must have a very interesting history too! I'm going todo a bit of research on it...
That's interesting. Such amazing pottery in Peru, it is strange that pottery wasn't adopted by Natives in Brazil.
Great video, presentation, information, scenery, locations.
This is probably redundant and covered elsewhere, but what did a typical cooking pot look like and how was it made? I'm curious whether, durability requirements perhaps being quite different for them, the making method was different: thinner sides, tempers added, thermal shock, etc. I've found somewhat preliminarily that with some wild upland clays, paddling for compaction greatly reduces drying and firing failures, though I haven't put any through repeated cooking fire conditions. Thanks, Andy .. Great video.
Thanks! It would be interesting to see a scientific study regarding the differences in cooking pots. But it seems that "plain ware" is less likely to be studied than decorated pottery. I would say from my observation that it plain pottery is roughly the same clay, construction and firing methods as decorated in most cases.
Very informative. Wonder why the tour guides at the Honanki or Palatki ruins don't mention anything about the trade between the northern or southern cultures. Thanks for sharing.
💞💞 Love seeing the ruins and hearing about the history of the people's 💞💞
Thanks, glad you enjoyed this.
Thank you for this video. I am fascinated by all things Native American and have always felt a kinship of sorts with them. I am Jewish which I guess makes me a member of a very old tribe myself, and we share a sort of brotherhood of genocide, loss of land,property and murderous actions by Europeans. I find their way of life,culture, beliefs highly interesting. Their survival, strength and bravery in the face of harsh adversity is admirable. Growing up in central Illinois, as a kid we would find axe heads, arrow points etc in farm fields and go looking in creeks and plowed fields, it was fun and exciting and realizing how the native Americans would live in harsh Illinois winters where winter temperatures could reach -50F with wind chill and super hot 105F with high humidity in mid summer. And they managed to live well in the Illinois river valley with corn, beans, wild mushrooms,berries, deer, Turkey,bear,elk,prairie chickens etc.
Really oved this!
Thank you
Andy, if ever you get out into the Mimbres country, get in touch. Regards.
I would love to do a video about Mimbres pottery, and I have been planning a video in the NM boot heel for awhile.
@@AncientPottery Well, Silver City is thirty minutes away. We are five miles west of the Mimbres Valley proper in the Gila. An, ya know them Inyuns, never did pick up their toys...
Jump if ya feel froggy.
Great video Andy !!! Really enjoyed it, hope to sit around a fire with coffee one day and discuss these things more indepth.
Thanks Ronnie. I’m off on another adventure tomorrow
@Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery Andy. You are wearing me out, I hope your vehicle gets great gas mileage, you are definitely a man on the move. All kidding aside, I have studied the prehistoric southwest for 25 plus years and this video just rekindled my love for the mystery and intrigue of these people..thanks.
Loved the history! Thanks!
You’re welcome
I loved it great video keep them coming
Thanks so much
Excellent job!!
Thanks
What an interesting listen on my ride to work!
I’m glad I could make your commute more enjoyable.
This is si interesting, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
So great, Andy! Going to the places and tying it all together is very appreciated.
Glad you enjoyed it, it was fun to go to all those places and film.
Loved this video!
Thanks
You should discuss these other topics as well.
It is quite fascinating to learn about the ancient people.
Thanks Richard.
Great video
Thanks
You are amazing dude
Thanks, glad you liked it
Thx.
You're welcome!
Awesome! I live in Houck Arizona and on our homesite we have the black ink style and down the hill we have the red pottery. Literally hundreds of SHARDS can be found laying above ground all over the place. Interesting video!
Cool, I have been in your area recently, amazing ruins and amazing clays.
Very well done video and helps to clarify a lot of questions I've had concerning pottery I've found on our property near Williams Az. I believe there was a pit house because of the large amount of shards we've found. It fascinates me that they were there on the same piece of land a thousand years ago for the same reasons we are. Safety, sanctuary and refuge. I feel that it is sacred ground and I will respect the the relics that we find by leaving them in place. I get a sense of peace and calmness when I walk on my land. Like they have welcomed me or at least are allowing me to live there temporarily during my time here on earth.
That's very cool. Glad you are respectful of the ruins on your land.
@@AncientPottery I'm building a Timber Frame cabin for my wife and I to retire in from lumber that I've milled myself, with tools that I've made with my own hands. I'm a Blacksmith and Timber Framer. 1.5 acres and I've been working on it for 6 years. Hoping to move in next year. Even doing everything myself and milling my own lumber other materials are getting expensive. I just keep plugging away at it. The biggest challenge is it is 750 miles away from where we live now. We've rented for 37 years. This is our first property. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
I've found some incredible artifacts, and would love to show you. I have lots of questions.
Use the contact form on my website to send me an email.
Interesting theory. As you probably know, it differs considerably from the ideas put forth by Patricia Crown in her seminal (albeit dated) work on Salado pottery, Ceramics and Ideology (University of New Mexico Press! 1994). I would love to hear your take on Crown’s interpretation.
My theory builds upon Crown’s, she said that Salado was a religious movement and I agree. She originally wrote that over 25 years ago and we know much more about Salado today then we knew then. One thing we have learned is that Salado Poly was made primarily at a few key villages (Ownby et al, 2016 “Movement of people and pots in the upper Gila region of the American southwest”, Neuzil, 2008, “In the aftermath of migration: renegotiating ancient identity in southeastern Arizona”). The other key piece of informations is based on my experimental work which indicates that the critical white slip was being imported from the Little Colorado Valley. This connects Salado with the events of the Little Colorado area such as the birth of the Kachina cult and the abandonment of much of that area in the late 1300s. The main difference between my theory and that of Crown and Archaeology Southwest is that they say that Salado was an "inclusive ideology" that brought different people together, but there are reasons to think otherwise. The biggest reason is because that is not human nature, the usual with humans is that one group will dominate another, the weak will be oppressed and the powerful will profit and there is evidence that suggests that is exactly what happened.
Andy Ward's Ancient Pottery Very interesting! Thanks for the Salado update. I’ll have to check out those references. And yes, as much as we’d like to imagine diverse groups joining hands and singing Kumbaya, I’m afraid the Up-Dog/Down-Dog model is much more realistic.
@@AncientPottery Dear Andy, in light of your experience and analyses, wouldn’t it be a good idea to collate all your ideas and try to publish it in an academic paper, if the academic establishment would have it??
Hi Andy. I live in Portal, SE Arizona on the NM /AZ state line. I have found pottery sherds here on our property and am very interested in the history of the native people that once lived here. There’s something about finding the sherds on one’s property that brings one closer to the people who once lived here. Do you ever come to our area? I know there’s a group here who’d love for you to do a talk. I’d like to take a workshop too and make pottery clay and vessels from our land.
Awesome history lesson! So interesting ❤ From my understanding the Anasazi were eventually destroyed by the people they oppressed like the Dine (Din eh) or Navajo.
Do you have any thoughts on the possibility of the Salado People moving back North to Hopi and Zuni?
I see Salado as a multi-lingual, multi-ethnic society. There were probably Zuni speakers, Hopi speakers, Opata speakers and O'odham speakers living together in those large villages of that time. When everything went to pieces in the mid-1400s people probably went to places where they felt safe and in a lot of cases those were places where people spoke the same language as them. So probably people left the Salt and Gila River valleys in all directions heading to Zuni, Hopi, and points south depending on their family heritage.
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May I ask what the textile you show near the end of the video is? It’s in the shot just before the cotton harvester.
It is a beautiful lace shirt found in the Tonto Cliff Dwellings
@@AncientPottery Thank you! I’m going to look it up.
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I know where alot
of those are in AZ and NM
There definitely are
What do you think the Pima Grids were used for? One of the theories is that agave was grown there. Just curious to know what your thoughts are.
I don't buy the agave farming, I think they were used for dry farming corn, beans and squash
I am a bit dubious about the corn, beans, and squash also because that is hard rocky ground with little soil on top. Beside the Gila river and the river silt is just a couple of miles away. That would have been much better for farming. I have puzzled over this for several years. A friend and I walked the area and noticed that there are quantities of salt bush growing in the grids. As far as I know there is no salt available locally. Could they have grown salt bush for their culinary needs and possibly for trading?
Where do you purchase you’re clay?
I dig and process my won clay from nature. Check out this video to see how I do it ruclips.net/video/UzkZ1EpLXxs/видео.html
Andy how can I buy your book mud puzzles eric …
on my website here ancientpottery.how/product/book-mud-puzzles/
My Ancestors
are Opatas
That's awesome, the Opatas are Arizona's forgotten tribe.
I have watched a lot of videos about archaeology of the southwest. There seems to have been unrest in the 1300's. Interestingly, Europe was suffering severely at that time from severe weather that made farming almost impossible. I have wondered if there were corresponding issues in the Americas at the same time.
Were these highly decorated pots actually used, say on a daily basis? Or reserved for ceremonies? How durable would they be if used daily to serve something like a hot stew? And how about cleaning them? This was before dish soap. In Europe, metal pots were scrubbed with sand among other things.
I wonder too about the elaborate Mimbres pottery, quite a few examples of which have a hole poked in the bottom. Were those dishes used for food? Regularly or only on special occasions? How durable were the colors, the designs if regularly used?
Was some of the most elaborate pottery reserved for sacred ceremonies? Or created specifically for religious reasons?
We may never know the answers but it is fun to study the ancient pots and speculate.
I believe that the holes drilled in the bottom of the pots were made to let the spirit of the pot out when it was discarded.
I think I may have found ancient pottery i need help Identifying I live in az
I can look at it for you. You can contact me via DM on Instagram or Facebook or using the contact form on my website ancientpottery.how/contact-us/
Is the white clay kaolin?
No, it is smectite clay.
@@AncientPottery thank you!
Ohhh its bentonite....
Alsalam alykum
The stack stone buildings look like things I've seen of Peru. Could all this struggle have been, at least in part, a kind of invasion from the south? Perhaps using a more local surrogate people as enforcement. A colonial movement into North America?
Just blue skying here. Your excellent presentation sends my mind wondering.
Thanks, could be but judging from the cultural clues it looks more like an invasion from the north. Lots of possibilities and unknowns here
So the short of it your saying the platform mounds to the south were ruled by the Anasazi of the north
The answer is a bit more complicated. Anasazi is a culture and not a people, so these people living in the south were generally not living like their brethren up north so we cannot call the culture Anasazi. But the people who live on top of those platform mounds, the rulers, the upper class, were northern people. IMO
@@AncientPottery Andy ( Thanks)... I think there would be more Kiva's, say in the Tonto Basin. Copying the pottery styles and other things would not be that unusual in the southwest at that time. Cultural Anasazi would have took their Kiva's with them ( my guess).
@@Allen-yv3ue copying designs is common. But copying pottery building and firing technology? Not so much. There are other clues besides pottery too. I could go into it but that’s what the video is for.
Not likely the Hohokam out numbered the Anasazi about 4 to 1 in population. They were a little more technologically advanced then the Anasazi based on there engineering alone. They did however build platform mounds about every 3 miles along the canal networks in the Salt, Gila basins. So, They were pretty common place and most villages hand Casa Grande like houses. Forensic anthropologist and bio archeologist have never found any evidence of violence at any Hohokam site. They did find Dog Burials without any signs of butchering. So the Hohokam really loved Dogs.
So you were obviously native American in a past life. What does it feel like to you?
Thanks, I don't believe in reincarnation but I do have a small amount of NA blood.
WELL, CLEAN IT!!!
was something dirty?
Arizona was originally a rain forest just like the Sahara. It was crazy human agricultural activities that turned rain forests in deserts. All deserts in the world have one thing in common, i.e., they all have some sort of Mediterranean climate with hot dry summers and cold wet winters. Once trees and shrubs and the ecosystem were destroyed by native American farmers, it was extremely hard for anything to grow once those ancient humans left. Deserts are never natural.
Interesting idea, I have never seen any evidence of an Arizona rain forest, but I am open to new ideas.
Branden was installed as president. How's that working out for you? Also remember , when you are munching on your vegie salad you killed those plants. In the words of your queen Grata Thunberg, "How dare you"!
@@socalxplorer Delusion has no limit. 81 million Americans voted against that fat orange. 74 million voted for him. That's a historical loss for any candidate. Seriously, you think you can "fabricate" 7 million votes? LOL LOL LOL LOL
Makes the explanations from 50 years ago seem childish. Perhaps lunar/solar references are in the traditional pottery images? Chaco Canyon again next week.
Definitely possible. There are so many things we don't know and will probably never know about these people.
This guys funny religious cohersion.... elite neighbourhoods you think lave built the pyramids also... try devotion..
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You can interpret the evidence differently, it’s a free country, that is just my opinion.
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