Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Chris Tarbell is a former FBI special agent and cybercrime investigation specialist who brought down Ross Ulbricht and Silk Road, and Hector Monsegur (aka Sabu) of LulzSec and Anonymous. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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0:00 - Introduction
1:16 - Silk Road
11:39 - Mass surveillance
15:50 - Operation Onion Peeler
21:06 - Hacker Avunit
31:56 - Ross Ulbricht and Silk Road
44:39 - Edward Snowden
46:44 - NSA surveillance
58:51 - Silk Road murders
1:07:37 - Dark web
1:11:39 - Ross Ulbricht's arrest
1:19:37 - Aaron Swartz
1:22:55 - Donald Trump and the Mar-a-Lago raid
1:26:01 - Tech companies and censorship
1:35:00 - War in Ukraine
1:38:58 - Anonymous and LulzSec
1:49:10 - FBI
1:52:11 - Personal threats
1:57:57 - Hector Monsegur a.k.a Sabu
2:11:07 - Cyber attack threats against civilians
2:27:55 - Most secure operating system
2:31:44 - Cyber war
2:39:38 - Advice for young people
2:44:50 - FBI's credibility
2:53:21 - Love
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1:16 - Silk Road
11:39 - Mass surveillance
15:50 - Operation Onion Peeler
21:06 - Hacker Avunit
31:56 - Ross Ulbricht and Silk Road
44:39 - Edward Snowden
46:44 - NSA surveillance
58:51 - Silk Road murders
1:07:37 - Dark web
1:11:39 - Ross Ulbricht's arrest
1:19:37 - Aaron Swartz
1:22:55 - Donald Trump and the Mar-a-Lago raid
1:26:01 - Tech companies and censorship
1:35:00 - War in Ukraine
1:38:58 - Anonymous and LulzSec
1:49:10 - FBI
1:52:11 - Personal threats
1:57:57 - Hector Monsegur a.k.a Sabu
2:11:07 - Cyber attack threats against civilians
2:27:55 - Most secure operating system
2:31:44 - Cyber war
2:39:38 - Advice for young people
2:44:50 - FBI's credibility
2:53:21 - Love
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Lex, you have saved my life time and time again with your podcast along with your buddy Joe Rogan, I’ve learned so much, and have gained so much hope and inspiration to go on in life, whether that be in directions of new or full out mastery of my current status. When I was going through a difficult time, a few years ago, I stumbled upon an episode of JRE where I found you. Since then, I have educated myself, and consumed all of your content it was something I thought to be interesting, or many of your topics that I am indulged of enlightenment with. Apologies for the grammar, English isn’t as easy for me these days. Before having the para social relationship with you that I do now, I was on the verge of committing suicide due to an influx of daily life bullsht overwhelming my hard drive aka organics/brain. Even if the entertainment factor doesn’t always hit me with each of you, or guess I always learn some thing and end your episodes with a feeling of fulfillment, and hope for the future. You and Joe truly have changed and saved my life more than I can explain, in so many words. Sincerely, a lost toad looking for answers from the universe to understand the universe inside of myself if that makes any sense.
No mention about Carl Force? Disappoint.
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Great podcast as always Lex.
The main takeaway from Lex interviewing people from CIA/FBI is that there is no such thing as a former CIA/FBI person.
55:11 Tarbell eyed him suspiciously. Awkward silence
Also, Lex is one of them and is propped up by youtube.
Mother should I trust the goverment?
@@user-lj5wy6rx3h proof?
Yeah. Lex glows too. It’s obvious he’s in their circles. The dude is a canned intellectual and a grifter
Silk Road was awesome, name brand medicine for 1/4th the price, saved my moms life multiple times, no thanks to the criminal organization known as our medical system. There are dark places all over the internet, Silk Road was no better, no worse. It was basically unfiltered, unmonitored, craigslist…
This fbi dude is the definition of a sheep, mindless and short sighted in his explanation.
Using individual anecdotal experiences and refusing to acknowledge what was great on Silk Road.
Perfect government slave, definitely would mindlessly follow orders…
isn't it still up in some form anyway?
You make a solid point. Kinda ridiculous that big pharma still has people convinced that some drugs are evil while their opioids are safe, and a bargain at only four times the price.
@Bill Gates Reading Mein Kamf *Mein Kampf
@@Ultamami hahahahahah
The story about taking down Silk Road went right from getting the server files from Iceland to having DPR in custody. They skipped like, everything...
That's because everything they did in between was illegal and a violation of Ulbricht's rights
@@mooninites755 is there somewhere I can hear the actual story then?
@@mooninites755welcome to the United States of America? First time visiting?
Unfortunately @@cursed5359, you will probably never get an accounting that is untainted by the biases of one side or the other or both.
There are much more thorough versions available though.
@@mooninites755yep let’s focus on protecting the crims. You’re a George Floyd fan too I bet
Whenever we heard him explain that that was his job, that it was what he had to do, you just know he is basically going to the Nuremberg defense.
The Nuremberg trials themselves were crazy and unfair, but yeah I get what you're saying
I love how the subject is that Snowden didn't follow the rules when he actually exposed the government were not following the rules.
Not to mention he did bring up his ethical questions internally before leaking the documents publicly, after being unacknowledged.
@@kreglfromworld his story has changed on that. It was originally that he tried to move it up the ladder but his latest stuff including with Stossel he spoke of why he did not go directly to superiors or a formal whistle blowing channel. Trying to understand the position and knowing how the system would rather disappear the "problem" than rectifing it.
The same glaring hypocritically sick joke I was not surprised to hear him utter. We already know that just the CIA on its own have done so many evil things such as manufacture illegal war, MKUltra, and other crimes that overall, they do more bad than good, so are an entire waste of money and net negative as well as a net injustice for the people overall.
Most of the 3 letter agencies seem to be burdens on the people that mostly hinder Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
I know right
Snowden is kind of a weird case because he broke the rules to get access to the information he leaked. The things he leaked he didnt personally have access to, he had to trick coworkers into letting him use their accounts. He also didnt just expose the misconduct of the government, he leaked documents that were comparatively mundane but classified still. So they want to use that as a technicality to basically write off the loss that is this info becoming public but still lock him up because he did in fact break laws not associated with the whistle blowing.
Ross Ulbricht should be freed from jail. He's done his time, his sentencing was ridiculous and didn't deter anyone from doing the exact same thing. I'd argue the DEA are more corrupt than Ross ever was.
He thought be had already killed people(ross). Don't let your desire for drug freedom make you think he was some swell freedom advocate. Yes.he was extorted, guess its your interior call on whether he is excused for passing torture and death sentences on those folks..he saw those as people as bugs,and it was time to squash.
@@johnscott6481 He did'nt kill anyone. He got a life bid for drugs. They used his supposed "attempted murder charge" as leverage for his sentence, but never convicted him of murder for hire.
@@johnscott6481Big pharma has been convicted of killing tens of thousands in the name of profit and only has to pay a fine. Why is this any different?
They're genuine scum, think they have the right to tell people what they can or can't put in their bodies, scum
@@Morphings epstein didnt kill himself
Lex, hearing you talk about getting hate online and it bothering you…compelled me to say, dude you’re a freaking gem of a human being. I know that so many others feel that way about you. You’re a real beacon in this place in time, with a big heart and the courage to let it shine. Keep doing you and stay true. The world needs you brotha 🌎❤️
Can't believe this guy is going to go to his grave pretending he didn't create the baby parts post to get the warrant.
Lex, a computer scientist, pretending not to know what an IP address is for the sake of clarification for the audience is hilarious 😂
A true interviewer
I laughed out loud when he pretended not to know what an IP address was, lex you fox 😂
I know right?
He’s trying to throw Chris off the scent. Lex IS Avunit lmao
this is my first ever Lex podcast, I was so damn confused. Googled who his was and thought it had to be a joke!
There are people who rape, torture, and murder, and get 20-30 years in prison. There are also people who repeatedly molesters children and get 5-10 years. Yet Ross ran a drug website and got life plus 40 years. Something is out of wack.🤔
The government Mafia must make a strong extreme examples against their competition otherwise other mafias will come in and take over their turf
Our corrupt government doesn't like competition.
Judge said they want to make an example so others don't follow, clearly stupid approach and didn't even work as a deterrent. I truly hope Ross gets presidential pardon at some point, like I hope people will wake up (maybe it's stupid hope, but hope dies at the end), and vote someone who values freedom, privacy, and maybe someone more liberal could see an issue with that sentences. Like if he spent like 10 years in prison that's already soo much, 15 years, 20, but lifetime? Cruel and pointless.
Yall conveniently forgot the dude ordered people killed 🤣
The war on drug's is a war on people! The federal government still has cannabis a schedule 1 drug which is totally absurd.
I love how everytime he gives a criminal tip, he makes it even more clear by announcing it “not to make a playbook”🤣 hysterical
Wow I love the Amazing flow of dialogue back and forth , the small laughter agreements over tangents is really refreshing to see, like truely very old friends it’s awesome
As always, I really appreciate the comments here. I read them and learn from them. I hope to talk to other side, including Ross Ulbricht himself. If I make mistakes, I will improve. In general, I'll talk to everyone, with empathy & compassion. I'll be attacked for this, but I won't give up. Love you all.
Will it be as easy to arrange an interview with Ross as it was with this guy?
This guy actually violated the non aggression principle. Did Ross?
The wrong person is locked up.
Edit - Reserving criticism since I haven't been through the whole thing yet. But I feel sick, wondering if you'll push back on this guy and call him out for ruining lives. The state is the greatest violator of human rights. And I bet this guy feels totally entitled to do so.
Thats what we appreciate about you Lex, love & respect.
You are cool, its just that the internet wont let this person have the easy way showing his face, with good reasons, no one has listened fully yet but it shows how much people dislike him
Lex. Even though we do not always agree on everything, I truly believe you are one of the most important podcasts on the air, in the world. I find you as fascinating as your guests. Thank you.
talk to ted kaczynski
a podcast with Ross Ulbrich would be insane!
Yeah, he's the actual hero who changed the world. F*ck this class traitor.
Hes in jail for life.
From jail would be awesome too.
It would have to be a phone call interview. I think he got life in prison. Didn't he?
@@timtags 2 life sentences plus 20 years I believe
One of My favorite episodes.. Love everything about it.
The opening up at the end, dhamm.
Lex knows how to make his guests feel welcomed & loved
46:06 "There's ways set up for being a whistleblower." Love it when power attempts to regulate truth.
For a former government employee that wants total government control without any accountability he sure repeats "I'm not for big government" a lot.
That seems to be Republicans whole plat form. 😂😂😂 like I agree with some of the stuff your saying but those actions tell a different story
@@Whosyourdaddy21 republicans and democrat politicians both want total government control, and they work together to accomplish that.
@@PineappleBaconPizza oh I 100% agree. I just get more annoyed by the republicans always talking about small government.
@@Whosyourdaddy21 *platform
@@Whosyourdaddy21 *you're
I wish there was a discussion about the corrupt FBI agents indicted with the Ross Ulbricht case. They got away with a slap on their hands whilst doing pretty horrible things.
What were they doing?
What kinds of things did they? Never heard about the FBI agents.
@@dkexpat2755 "Barely Sociable" kind of glosses over some shit that they did, iirc. Great breakdown on his channel about the Silk Road, btw.
I don’t think either of them was actually an FBI agent, one was a DEA agent and the other worked for the secret service. But the DEA agent I believe was the lead undercover agent on the case yet Ross’ defense attorneys weren’t allowed to even mention it at trial.
@@jumpingbombangels2856 Yep, The DEA guy was Carl Mark Force. Already released.
One of the huge qualities I love about your videos other than its content and quality: is the fact I can go to any part of the video due to the good job chaptering the videos.
The dude who founded silk road himself didn’t even do anything wrong. He just created a website, he shouldn’t have been arrested. They go after the WRONG people just to make it look like they’re actually doing good.
bro he ordered a murder
@@asapomiyeah.... there's that lol
"bro" that's bullshit, you are regurgitating fbi nonsense! @@asapomi
He didn't order any murders
Lex, please have Ross Ulbricht's mother on to give their side of the story. There's so much misinformation going around. Has been for years. She's a great speaker and will make a great guest.
Agree.
Link to her talks plz
He won’t. Lex is one of them.
@@BigDaddyDru one of whom?
@@limbo3545 the establishment class.
A while back, the FBI busted a CP distributer that was using Tor. The defense lawyer requested discovery on how his client was identified, and the FBI dropped all charges. They have a way around Tor and are totally unwilling to let the public know about it.
They probably just walked into the guys office since he was probably an FBI agent, they seem to love CP.
I'm sure the cia owns the TOR relays and servers and can follow the chain.... Who else could maintain the network.
It was called pegasus. Which the CIA uses today overseas so as you can imagine the FBI is using it to here in the United States we have to give Tim Cook accolades because of his lockdown mode which eliminated the Pegasus threat.
@@duanejackson6718 volunteers, did you even consider making any research? I run relays, no profit, I do it, because I want to, lots of people like me run relays. You can run a relay too, it's not expensive, it's not very hard, and if they don't control enough nodes the whole effort is wasted. You can also use your own relay as entry into tor network and then blend your traffic with other traffic that you might relay through.
@@MasterKaloryfer well I'm glad you're volunteering to do noble work, but we're kidding ourselves if we don't think intelligence agencies aren't involved somehow with the flow of information. Then it seems likely they have some way of tracking the flow of information.
3 million subscribers. well done Lex. good to see it happen to the right kind of people. love your work. toodeloos
The Silk Road was an incredible time and place when it and BTC hit around the same time. What Ross achieved was incredible. The forum postings back then all suspected that there was a Honeypot, some CIA/DEA accounts were even outed during that run and extremely publicly I might add.
But what was so incredible, and what likely scared the shit out of the Government was the “idea” that many Libertarian, like minded people could come together, and establish a trust with virtual currency, around a game that in the real world most time has zero ethics. The escrow system they had, and the actual trust between buyer/seller looking back, should have never worked. No fake drugs were sold, Fentanyl hadn’t hit yet, but everyone there took extreme pride in their product, and how quickly & discreetly they could ship things to you. Yes there were a few major cases where sellers took a few hundred/thousand BTC(which brought about the escrow system) but overall everyone worked extremely hard to protect the idea of what Silk Road was. Some of the old threads on how things like Insulin/Blood Pressure Meds/ HIV-HGH Meds….. and how folks legit saved their lives through the global access is just incredible.
A true moment in time. I hope we see a Ross pardon at some point down the line, which may be possible in the next 20 Years once these fucking Baby Boomers finally die off. I’m thankful I got to see SR/Crypto in action in its purest form. That was Crypto in its finest hour, those who were there know exactly what I mean.
The harmful and immoral war on drugs should
be ended
"A war on drugs is better than no drugs at all." - Kurt Vonnegut
amen.
@@alandoane9168 haha agreed… first time hearing that quote. Thank you
@Ivan bbbaaaaahhh bbbaaaaaahhhh
But it's just getting started....
He's the perfect example of "in hindsight do you think they were bad guys or you were the bad guys?" His answer "I was just doing my job" ..doesn't think about or gaf if he's doing right or wrong just "it's the law" "it's code blah blah"
That's exactly what the Nazis said at the Nuremberg trials: "I was just following my orders!"
What do you expect from an unapologetic FBI loser. Class act greedy pig that made a ton of money at taxpayers expense to prop up a horrendous operation that they still blandly pledge allegiance to (the war on drugs).
And to take it a step further, he displays a certain amount of emotional / mental weakness which is perfect in his trainer's mind.
This is my parents, police both. I've been working on them for years. They both voted Libertarian down the ticket the last two elections. That counts for something, I guess.
Yup, It's how egotards get roasted
Lex, thank you for your work. I really enjoy your podcast, the interviews and the way you’re doing them. I really believe you're a kind soul and your channel which I recently discovered, is one of the best on youtube. I'm really happy that I discovered you and just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate the work you do. Please keep up the good work and keep spreading love. It's what we need, more than ever in this world and you're contributing a great deal to it. All my best to you.
@lexfridman your channel popped up on my algorithm few months ago and I'm so glad.
I work as a metal worker, welding, grinding, painting, etc, and wear protective gear 75% of my work day. This enables me to listen to Lex interviews in their entirety, and this was tremendous. 3 hours passed as if in a moment. Interview concludes, shut down the drill press, wash up a go home. Pretty good day, inspite of the frightening cyber apocalypse about to befall mankind! Lex + guest= good times... ✌🏻
im jealous. id love to listen to good content while working.
Holy shit that was 3 hours? I did not even notice. Nowaaaaayy
Also a metalworker and listen to 6-8hrs of podcasting a day. Going in depth on topics and long form conversation makes you realise how surface level the news and public opinion is on most things.
This may seem weird but don’t wear wireless AirPods because in order for both to work, one starts and the radiation etc has to go through your brain to get the other one to work. Either wear one at a time or go back to the earphones with the wire.
@@romes3217 I work outside and can also listen for hours at a time and I feel sometimes it’s tough to have conversations with the normie’s who don’t have a clue what this world is really about
I believe about 20% of the words that come out of this man’s mouth.
Why? I Don't understand your statement.
@@ApoIIo95 It's easy to understand no one in the CIA and FBI can be trusted he admitted looking up files after being retired that is a federal crime.
Because he's a gman, a trained liar
What did he lie about? Why would he?
Exactly, like he like donuts and red meat and human growth hormones!
So were the diaries and chat logs real? I could imagine an agent inside the operation being able to manufacture all sorts of stuff if the guy in charge was not a great tech guy.
In 2011 I filed an EEOC complaint against a Public Utility, my employer. The company was not hiring minorities into management, and was all white men. The management team was almost all ex military. When I investigated the Org charts I found ghost contractors listed under the engineers. They were just names with no email addresses or phone number and no one heard of these people. I send the Org charts to the FBI -Minneapolis branch, I believed I stumbled upon a potential Sarbanes Oxley violation. I also sent my documents to every politician and the MN AG office in 2012. No one returned my calls nor contacted me. I contacted the head of security and asked if these contractors had security badges. The head of security tells me they were told not to investigate this. I then immediately try to write a CAP -corrective action at the US nuclear power plant about these ghost contractors. I was pulled off my computer by my manager and security and fired that day with my nuclear access pulled. My union steward witnessed this and tells me I will get my job back as they didn’t follow procedures. I meet with my union representative and lawyer from IBEW 949 and they tell me they can’t help me get my job back as I am suppose to cheat and scam as all power plants scam. I tell them I am working at a U.S. nuclear power plant. Unbelievable how corrupt our FBI and regulatory agencies are today! This company was the largest lobbyist in the state! Money corrupts! I have no respect for the FBI…none …zero!
In 2011 Fukushima has a serious nuclear accident. CBS does a special on US nuclear whistleblower being fired at US nuclear power plants. One was Curtiss Overall, an engineer fired from TVA for raising a nuclear safety issue. His court case was circulating in my dept. in his court case, which he won, his manager was caught lying, while under oath, several times. Curtis spends 11 years, fighting, a large corrupt monopoly, with unlimited lawyers. The manager who fired him was now our VP and Chief Nuclear Officer!
Why do we enforce what adults put into their own bodies? Why do dealers get more prison time for simply running an illegal business than child molestors do?
For some reason it feels alot like someone trying to enforce their drug monopoly.
The argument would be that certain drugs, even if used by the individual themselves will not only harm them but the people around them. For instance people on cocaine and heroin cause disruption to their friends, family and the community around them. Obviously there are limits to how far you can take this, for instance drugs like weed don't even have any negative effects even when compared to legal stuff like alcohol. But then again, the stuff sold on Silk Road aren't just weed...
Trust in triple letter agencies is destroyed.
@@aamodvarma2061 so how are opioids given out like candy then
The enforcement, for the most part, targets the manufacture and distribution of illicit substances, not the consumption. Those are where the big prison sentences are. No one is serving 10+ years for consuming illicit substances any longer. Yes, there was a time when heavy sentences were imposed on consumption, but not so much these days.
Lex better follow this up with an interview of Ross
From Jail lol
They should just release Ross. That would be the humane thing to do. Guy was just providing a service at the end of the day.
@@Garivich He can’t. Last time they tried he was thrown in solitary for a week. Lex should interview Ross’s mother.
@@Eye_Radiate_Light he isn't in jail for providing that service he's in jail for ordering hits dude. read the transcripts. i have nothing against adults doing whatever they want with their own bodies and taking what they will but he crossed a line. that said life is too long for his sentence.
@Tom L Wrong. He was never tried on those charges. He was convicted on drug, money laundering, and hacking charges. Also, he is not in jail, he’s in prison.
Lex, you speak of your heroes often and I appreciate that. I've had many heroes in my lifetime, but after discovering your podcast a few months ago, you have become my greatest hero. Thank you for everything you represent. You're an inspiration to many. Cheers!
Lex really knows how to invoke emotions out of the people he interviews; shows the humanity within us all.
Definitely got some tears out of me in the end as well.
When the market was up, one could go through listings and make better informed purchases. Competition between sellers kept product cleaner and reasonably priced. Bad batches of product could be more easily accounted for and disreputable sellers could be suppressed. It was far from a perfect system, but was ironically much better for safe drug use.
Darknet markets still exist, in abundance.
@@DoingFedTime as a tip to anyone considering this route (which you definitely should never ever consider because drugz bad), don't pick a totally new vendor, but don't pick the one with thousands of reviews either. The new ones are a gamble because there aren't enough reviews. The old ones can be a gamble because they don't have such strong incentives to earn their place in the market through high quality goods anymore.
Great episode Lex! It was really interesting. Hope you manage to get Ross on as well!
@@DoingFedTime Thanks for clarifying. I haven't kept up with it for a while. Lots of markets, but I feel they come and go quicker than the silk road managed to stay up. I meant the market as silk road specifically. There's so much I can't keep up with things now.
Orrrr, stop doing those types of drugs. Pretty easy.
I like how whenever Lex asks him to steelman the other side, he says sure but just says some random stuff thats still defending his side lol
What would you expect from a fed? If he had any intellectual integrity he wouldn’t be in the line of work he is in…
I noticed that too, but he is so likeable and open, it didnt bother me too much
@@BigDaddyDru Wtf are you talking about? Are you like an edgy teenager who hates all authority figures or something? Do you really not understand why an organization like the FBI is necessary, and the ways in which they maintain order in a large and complex society? Grow up.
It’s very possible he doesn’t even know what the word “steel man” means-he is former law enforcement, not a philosopher.
@@therainman7777 😂😂🤣🤣🙏🏽❤️🫂
Great interview. That being said, the sooner we stop allocating resources to stopping people from taking substances, the better. People should get to make that decision for themselves.
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A podcast with Ross Ulbricht would be absolutely epic! Even bigger than Snowden on JRE.
not gonna happen, see War on drugs
@ I mean you could potentially have a podcast with someone in prison through visitation. Either in person through the glass or even just a long phone call.
Ross Ulbricht can not be visited I'm pretty sure. They put that dude over a barrel and the entire US Govt and all its agencies took turns on his ass. This Tarbell guy went first. The judge went last.
@@4x4r974 yeah that kinda muddies the waters since he one thousand percent did that, but was never convicted of it. He got life without parole even without that though so he might not care about admitting it? If he is still appealing he probably wouldn't talk.. but I'd be interested to know whether he's turned over a new leaf, or whether he'd try to deny it and spin some story.
Free Ross Ulbricht. A martyr for freedom.
Trump should have pardoned him, snowden, and assange. He really showed his true colors by refusing to.
i used to be pro freeing ross but he attempted to hire 2 hits on people out of greed.
@@lanpartylandlord6123 This is fake news. He was never convicted on that charge.
@@Sanctifiers which is pretty sad. Regardless of one's view on the subject all Lex is doing is providing a dialogue.
Didn’t he order hitmen to kill some people?
I feel you when you were talking about how it hurts. For people who care about the world and about humanity, it can be painful to be subjected to bullying, hate, and other nastiness. That pain makes us who we are, and we should experience that fully, while also having compassion for those who are so full of bile that they are unable to relate to others in a kind and compassionate way. I believe that trauma is at the root of most of the suffering in the world.
He really said "I don't know what that toilet paper company did, but it was their opportunity to make a splash" with a straight face 😂😂😂
anytime someone says, "We had to do it". I get the sense they are justifying acts that they realize are immoral. Or at least self serving motives that they are attributing to a greater good.
Can you time stamp that
@@geesung4444 fuck are you talking about
"You could buy hits" this guy is either misinformed or an idiot.
We had to do it because we have circumstantial evidence of him sending hits on 6 people... I understand what you're saying but at the same time they "had to do it".
This guy could have gone after child organ harvesters but chose to go after Sabu, a optical hactivist?
The government has no more right to tell me what goes into my mouth, including illegal drugs, than it has to tell me what comes out of my mouth.
Milton Friedman
fine with me, but don't ask me to pay for any emergency care/healthcare when what you put in your mouth causes someone to OD.
100% agree
I’d like to hear from one of the low iq chimps who think the government should tell you what you are allowed to do with your own body. How do you come to such a silly conclusion.
yes the gov do.
@@CCornish1978 Same goes for people who eat unhealthy food then?
imho, public health care should work like insurance companies, how they do a risk assessment based on your life style, which influences how much you're covered, how much you should pay, etc. which would include food, drugs, etc.
God…I loved this!!! Could listen to these guys all day!
Chris Tarbell was thoroughly enjoyable and had me cracking up. Great Interview Lex! Signed, LateToTheParty. ❣️🍀
Officer that says “I’m just following orders.” The easiest way a cop avoids responsibility of what is ethical or not.
This dude is a scumbag and is directly responsible for thousands of deaths of people who couldn't order pure stuff anymore and had to get street drugs again. Anyone who works for the government should not be trusted, they have this internal allegiance to the corrupt elites and will betray their fellow citizens.
Nuremberg Principle IV. This has long been established.
Police is not self governance there is a protocol in every situation and the need for self thinking should be minimsed. You have no idea how hard it is to work as a police officer, there are idiots every where but lets enlighten those who do good and understand that every tries to their best and you can't just say something like that in a way that makes axiomatic because its not. You have to have deeper understanding then this. Stop blaming others and look at what you can do to improve your life and the life around you, stop staying in negativity
People who end up in situations where a cop has to follow orders to detain them should take accountability for why they are in that situation in the first place.
Seems FBI 7th floor is clearly
Ah, Two FBI Agents having a conversation. This is gonna be fun 😀
I think Lex would fit more with the CIA than FBI. He's the ultimate sleeper :D
@@BitwiseMobile true. I don't even believe that's his actual personality if that's the case lmao
Please let lex be space force counter intel
@@BitwiseMobile *KGB* lol.
I see two terrorists with sociopathy
PERSONAL SECURITY IS CRITICAL as you guys stated but very difficult to manage. APPLE offers their password system for it’s OS users, but how safe is it? First off, it seems to have complex passwords and remembers them, but it has to store them in a file somewhere and how is is it for hackers to get that file? PLUS, If I ever switch to another OS do I loose all my passwords? I guess similar questions could be applied to CREDIT CARDS that people save on site such as AMAZON or in APPLE’S OS. thoughts?
Wow amazing how people like this are even more EVIL and wicked than the people they go after PURE EVIL
Your guest list is better than JRE these days mate. Keep the interesting guests coming
That's a personal opinion correct?
When I scroll through JRE show interviews, it feels like 90% of the interviews are of comedians
Snowden was the real ‘patriot’. He was helping protect the privacy and security of the people of his nation when the government he worked for had lost its moral compass.
Mass surveillance is a good thing. And people talk about "invasion of privacy" yet mass surveillance is so under the radar that people don’t even realize they are being watched and thus it doesn’t even get in the way of their every day lives so it’s not really invasive in any way
@@twstdreality that’s the most psychotic thing I’m going to hear today. If I’m staring through your window all day, watching you, is it ok because you don’t know it?
Russian spy, Putin's pet, and a traitor.
He did good for public but I'm not quite sure the initial motive was that. I think they stepped on his foot, it happens, then he wanted to show who's really the boss, which he did. The other side of course will never come out with a story of things that was never meant to be told, obviously they all dealing with dirt, we know that and I'm pretty sure snowden knew it right from the beginning.
@@Gobbldeegoo1 That was a good analogy tho
I like it how you kept eye contact from about 26mins when you were speaking about something you really are passionate to do I could see your determination to get the right answer off him😉 Seasider brother from another mother 🧡
Thanks for another great conversation, Mr. Fridman. I have never experienced an interview style like yours. You actually take long pauses to think and allow people to respond in earnest. You allow your audience to sit in the discomfort of a complicated answer, and that is so valuable today in a media environment that wants to live in a black-and-white narrative so they can control the story.💚Thank you once again.
I enjoyed the podcast immensely and thanks to Chris Tarbell for participating. I just find it bizarre that the justification for invasion of privacy is "well Big Tech does it, soooo"
I don't think it was a justification for invading privacy. His point was that people think they value their privacy more than they actually do.
@@WetBoy big tech can't prosecute, or leverage citizens to "cooperate" with the government, or else...
@@WetBoy I think both things are true. I also think that we surrender our privacy to companies every day without a second thought, but when the government does it in the name of national security everyone is up in arms. You want a climb up my ass with an electron microscope? If it prevents another 9/11 you feel free.
No it’s def a justification
Big tech sells it. Biggest buyer the us government or data mines that sell it to the us gov. Also, not a big government guy but if you felt that private companies selling private info is the real problem then why is government not stepping in to protect that? It’s a self filling prophecy.
Idk if I’m making sense but fuck why do we try to think individuals have any rights it’s companies and government that own them and they will never give them back or try to protect us.
Agents in gov have a lot of power that is abused quite often. They need to be closely monitored
Better would be to NOT fund them. Stealing from the public to injure the nations citizens is a terrible idea.
Exactly right u would think
by whom?
They are to a certain clearance level
@@Adrian_Galilea Vote Libertarian, NEVER 2 party. Support the rights of man and limit the powers of sociopaths who live to harm people.
Come on man! He tried to go through the proper channels for whistle-blowers. Nothing got done the people that he was supposed to report this sort of thing too were in on it. He could have just dumped everything he took on the internet if he wanted to. He didnt though he gave it to reporters to vet. They took it to NSA to let them redact methods and sources. He is a hero. There were people trying to report this though the proper channels. You know how much progress that got them, NONE!! This is public record. They even arrested one of these persons on the espionage act. Later dropped or pleaded down thank god.
These weird questions and tangents Lex the Cyborg goes on are crazy, then having to hear him try to analyze every little thing fbi guy says is brutal.
I always find it entertaining when Lex asks someone to "steel man" their opponent, and they say "Sure, so ... [he or she begins to restate their own argument]."
ben shapiro vibes lol
Yah just give up expecting people to know this word made up yesterday and phrase it for normal people
"Rules of being a whistleblower" is such a dystopic phrase
That man literally leaked military training and research documents that were in no way against any privacy laws or regulations. Entire plans to protect Americans military or civilian. Not once did Snowden even attempt to go through proper channels which are anonymous. Besides that he could have just leaked the documents pertaining to the actual crimes but he didn’t, even attempting to sell the data to the Chinese and Russians
Fucking THANK YOU!
I was so disturbed scrolling through the comments. So much support for this traitor.
Snowden. Is. King.
Of course you can blow a whistle, just wait a sec while I get the approved tunes…
Yeah. Rules that would make sue that info would be s saw "lost". This guy is compromised
@@dw3585 wait you’re saying Snowden is a traitor?
At work when we discover a coworker who hasn't logged off, we send our supervisor an email from them stating things like:
Dear sir,
I'm tendering my resignation; so I can follow my lifelong dream of interpretive dance.
😅
Happened to me, emailed the whole company that I wished to be known as Catherine in future. I'm a straight male 😂
about 1:03:00 : They shut down silk road and literally 5 new markets popped up. I think Alpha Bay was online over twice as long as Silk Road.
Listening to Chris Tarbell is like listening to an alternate universe “Sopranos” episode where Tony is a cyber FBI agent, and is a total rule follower
I thought the same thing, especially from the thumbnail😂
OMG ~ YESSS!
Chris never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Order followers are bad guys so yeah. They just do what they are told regardless of what is right or wrong, like this FBI agent terrorist
Lex is Furio ahah
"The FBI agent that put a kid in prison for two life sentences for making a website". What a hero.
I'm cool with it.
@@janus3555of course you are my boot licking friend
think whole amount people the drugs affected or hurt.l
@@rsautos If they stopped the war on drugs, it would stop hurting ALOT of people. Think of the money spent trying to fight drugs that could have been used to help people fight drugs ! People have used drugs for far longer than when they started fighting against it... and people will continue to use drugs until the end of time whether others agree with it or not. It's just another way of forcing control on us. Most of the world's "elite" evidently take substances themselves, regularly. Stop bowing down to them, stop worrying about what others do with their lives and just be happy that you live such a perfect life that you don't feel the need to unwind or cope with substances...
The Silk Road days were truly the best time on the internet. Having said that, I don’t delude myself. Ross let his quest for power cloud his judgement. Couple that with every man’s weakness and it was only a matter of time. He legit tried to have a fictional person killed. I don’t agree with the sentence but let’s not pretend DPR was just a web designer lol
Aaron Swartz didn’t hack in, he logged in.
This is a great interview I would
Love to hear more from “former” fbi or cia to hear more about what’s going on in the inside
Your never going to actually hear anything honest. It's all a pr stunt.
Really glad u mentiond Aaron Swartz the man was a true hero
Lex asking Tarbell if it was safe for him to bring on a wanted cyber criminal is like the farmer asking the wolf if it's safe for the sheep to graze there. :)
lmaoooo you know FBI agents were watching
Yeah. Lex is so innocent, it's endearing.
@@realMaverickBuckley are you dense?
he was safer with the criminal (brett johnson) than he was with this FBI agent.... notice, Chris talks tough against child predators yet 3pstein & Maxwell were conveniently *not* mentioned throughout this entire 3 hour conversation despite the dozens of eyewitness reports made to FBI from 1992-2018
BTK is a great example of this.
Lex, I have watched all of your content, Truly it is invaluable and an inspiration. However i do not comment because im here to Listen, not to talk.
it surprises me you take certain comments to heart because you have such a resilient optimism, One doesn't usually have that characteristic if not having first mentally prepared for exactly that. But you must understand, for every person willing to type some sort of useless criticism, there are 3 other people who have said nothing, commented nothing, and listened to the extended diligence you give to each person you interview and taken a huge amount of knowledge away with them. If you did not see the world the way you do, we (the people) may not have that window into these subjects and mysteries if not for you. If your path was easy, your probably on the wrong path. Thank you very much for what you do. My hero is someone that knows their plane will get hit with Flak, but fly's the path he knows he must anyway. Again thank you Lex Fridman.
Yes definitely bring the hacker on your very popular podcast :)
Said the Former FBI agent
Free Ross Ulbricht
@@Sanctifiers thank you for the info
This man (Chris, if that wasn't clear) has had a large negative impact on society. Fuck the war on drugs
F that fed
Pigs get what pigs deserve
Yeah no
He doesn’t make the laws.
@@stellarwind1946 Nor did Heinrich Himmler.
i love this interview. so fascinating. thank you sm Lex!
I don't think I can go down this rabbit hole. This interview was wild.
Is Lex the AV Unit, sitting literally in front of the former FBI Agent?
The comments here give me faith in humanity. Free Ross
I am glad he is in jail for so long. All of you are pretending that the only thing sold on the Silk Road was drugs, tons of child pornography and sex trafficking existed on it as well.
And even if it was only drugs, the belief that users are the only ones negatively impacted by drug use is asinine. Drug users have a much higher likelihood of committing violent crimes, and an extraordinarily higher chance of committing property crimes to fund their habit. Arguing that drug use is fine because some users aren’t addicts and aren’t committing additional offenses is akin to arguing no one should be charged with DUIs. If they didn’t hurt anyone on that night, it’s not a problem, even though it significantly increased the likelihood of harm to the community.
And that doesn’t even get into the issues caused to society for the harm done to the users themselves. We end up using tons of social services to try to help people struggling with addiction, from government benefits to medical services. Because almost all of those scheduled drugs are highly addictive and it ends up destroying the lives of many users.
Plus, society loses competent workers and instead has to spend to take care of the addicts. Society loses the benefit of having competent parents, it’s dangerous for kids to be watched by someone who is high, and drugs impair brain activity making it harder to teach kids as they grow.
And this all stems from the concept that we should “let adults do what they want.” Is it still a conscious and thought out decision when the person is an addict whose brain is changed to need those substances? Is it still a conscious decision when many users are self-medicating mental health issues?
@@shmuelcoen9906 *"Arguing that drug use is fine because some users aren’t addicts and aren’t committing additional offenses is akin to arguing no one should be charged with DUIs"*
NO, it's akin to arguing that alcohol should be illegal because some people drive drunk. The rest of your rambling is destroyed by this one point.
@@LIQUIDSNAKEz28
1. We are talking about drug dealers, not drug users. In my analogy, Ross isn’t the one driving, he’s the bartender purposefully over serving the customer then handing the keys to the car.
2. Alcohol and drugs are not a 1:1 comparison. The drugs on the Silk Road are significantly more dangerous, and using itself is inherently dangerous as opposed to alcohol. A couple of quick results from studies about specific drugs:
- a study of methamphetamine users in England found that 24% of those who had been taken to the hospital for detox were dead within 15years
- heroine users are on average 63x more likely to die than their respective demographics
- a study of cocaine users in Brazil found 18.5% mortality rates within 5 years.
That’s the differences. For many of the drugs Ross was putting up for sale, mortality rates of 20% are expected within a few years
Bartender..no...in your analogy he would be the owner,proprieter,and security, with the power to impose the death penalty to unruly patrlns
@@johnscott6481 true, that fits much better
The limited special character thing was probably because of xml storage. There are ways to parse those social character strings to xml properly though. They’d probably tell you that it was an inconvenience
Man. I miss silk road. What a time to be in highschool lol. We were ordering Molly and acid and mushrooms. Delivery to the HOUSE. and that was right around when project x came out so ALLLLL my friends in highschool were trying to replicate the house party from that movie. Great times throwing parties with 2-300+ people on ranch property that was "maybe owned by some kids granpa we're totally alright to be here" lol.
I still go back on RUclips and watch the videos from those old ranch parties. It's insane to see what we accomplished back then. Great great times.
Maybe Chris Tarbell should look into the 3 letter agencies who deal in drugs human trafficking etc
What they did to Ross was aweful and unethical. These three letter institutions are the real bad guys.
Silk Road 0 - FBI 1
@@badcornflakes6374most obvious fed
Loser fed or family/friend there of. No other loser would write this!@@badcornflakes6374
I really love the "Can you steelman..." category of questions.
And these FBI guys never can
@@TheMateyl Can you steelman the case that some of 'these FBI guys' might surprise you?
@@boreallifts2042 Open to it.. none so far has though
Lmao right I’m noticing a pattern
Its corny
Lex, my first comment here. It's fascinating to understand how humans operate. You just said that out loud when I knew that's what I like about you. That's why I watch. Great channel. Great episode. Thanks for what you do. Fascinating as well with the all the depth people would miss if they can't get by simple first impressions, you know? Yes. More power to you brother.
Lex: Can you steel man the opposing side on that issue?
Guest: No, but I can reiterate my own position in another way.
🤣
That sums up the mindset of a brainwashed gov't thug to a T. This guy would have proudly loaded people into boxcars back in Germany.
That bit were Chris knew what Lex was gonna say was insane
Time stamp pls? 🙏🙏
@@Squirrel-zq6oe 7:55
@@bos9824 awesome lol thank you! That was crazy
32:49 (timestamp to return me to my place in the video)
Thank you, lex, for all your content.
It is absolutely necessary that we all engage more in conversation.
Lex, I have experience what you are speaking about at 1:33:00. You are one of my favorite people on this planet due to the fact that you approach things with an open heart, open mind and intense skepticism and curiosity. Don’t ever let other people’s ignorance and hate influence you in a negative way. The conversations and dialogue you facilitate are immeasurable in their value to the human species. You actually remind me of myself in a lot of ways and it gives me hope for my future and the future of the world. Love ya man!!
Federal agents should be required to read Crime and Punishment, and write an essay proving that they understand it to a moderately sufficient degree...
LOVE this idea!
I would be happy if they just had to take a reading comprehension test
This comment wins
I think they should also read "The most dangerous superstition".
@@anarcho.pacifist Everyone should read that masterpiece
2:40:12 - As a IT recruiter with years of experience, Chris nails this one. It is insane how companies always want new talent but won't hire someone without experience in every imaginable area. Companies too often focus on a list of skills rather than finding a person that can make their company better with some time and investment.
This is why REAL startups are great.
They will often roll the dice on people, you often have the chance to make a REAL difference inside of them, and its usually a true meritocracy.
In the beginning at least. Hahaha
Spoken like a true participation trophy generation member. 😭😭😭
Companies prefer the perfect candidate motivated AND experienced. In unemployment structural economy, there will always be.
@@MRBOOCH526 when an expert literally said the same thing... It sounds more like there is demand for it that isn't being fulfilled not participation award esk
EXACTLY. I’m an engineer and knee so many brilliant engineering students who could never get a job because they’ll only hire people for experience… for entry level jobs and internships. So the geniuses and hard workers wouldn’t necessarily be the ones getting the positions. It would be the engineers who had friends or family with connections.. definitely not the most talented engineers either
Did he ever end up taking to a hacker on the run? I would love to listen to that ep.
My bad habit with passwords is that with the growth of the net and the amount of websites you’re attached too it’s impossible to remember which password Inused with what site and I’m constantly having to reset password eventually going back to the password I always remembered in the first place🤮
If someone told me that the Hank Schrader character from breaking bad was based on this guy, I'd buy it.
God damn it marie they are minerals!!!
Well they are. They're not rocks.
Steve they're both ISTJ personality types. You can see it so clearly.
@@TokyoTaisumyres Briggs is pseudo science
Holy shit, Lex. This was a pleasant surprise and a fantastic interview. RIP Aaron Schwartz.
Yep I almost didn't watch this interview, but what a wonderful pleasant surprise it turned out to be.
This maybe be weird for me to say Lex. You are awesome and a very thoughtful human.. Love you bro!!!
I keep hearing people from the three letter agencies say Snowden didn't follow the correct procedure for a whistleblower and that's why these various agents deem him a bad actor. I believe the reason why he did it the way he did (and correct me if I'm wrong), but he saw what happened when William Binney did it the correct way and knew none of the information he was going to reveal would never be taken seriously and the change that needed to be taken never would. In fact, similar actions might be taken against him just like they were taken against Mr. Binney. Bottom line is if any information is ever going to make it out of the intelligence community that definitively proves criminal action by one of the three letter agencies it's going to have to happen just like how Snowden did it.
If you have enough money you can buy all those things from the FBI.
Correction - Ross was one of a team of Dread Pirate Roberts. The FBI know this but once they arrested Ross they declined to look for anyone else despite the DPR log in still being used. Also, the FBI had two crooked agents on the case. Again, this wasnt taken into consideration at the trial.
How does 2 cops being on the marketplace affect what Ross did?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for believing that Ross was framed and we know such little info about the whole topic, but feds being on marketplaces is a story as old as time.
@@kushberry6679 I think you are confused. I didn't mention anything about the police accessing the site.
@@harri7416 My mistake, I meant those 2 FBI agents, my point still stands.
Ofc the punishment they received was a slap on the wrist and they had to investigate it further but Ross actions and his reason why he's behind bars has almost nothing to do with the 2 agents being on the SR
@@kushberry6679 I never said it was. However the FBI failed to look deeper into the management of SR once Ross was arrested which is a crime in itself.
Hate to say she's terribly not wrong about the ambiguous instructions the cops will give for dui tests, and the reasons they will claim someone has failed a single portion of the test. Got off my 2nd job at 6am, a construction truck burns through a California stop and cuts me off and i swerve to avoid him hitting me while having right off way, i get pulled over 2 miles later. In my work uniform, i get tested after 10 minutes of questions and a claim i look like I've been drinking, I've been up 17 hours btw and am extraordinarily tired, but did nothing wrong, but i comply even though i "didn't smell off alcohol". Field tests commence, and i stumbled once while doing the heel to toe, and they said said 9 steps was to be followed by a certain type of turn around that i didn't do before returning even after asking the officer how to verbalize my steps, how fast, and how to turn, to which he replied, "i just told you, do you have any questions?" and i repeated my question because of his specific interpretable phrasing and he again didn't repeat his directions and asked if i had any questions... he asked me to do the one leg stand head upwards and balance, which i also can't do, equilibrium neurological issues due to seizures years back, kind of like living with mild vertigo. Decided i failed, searched my car, but there was nothing. Handcuffs and a trip to the hospital for a BAC breath and blood work up, both of which showed zero. Still taken to jail and released 6 hours later and car taken to the impound. Released and given a bus ticket to get back to the nearest bus stop to my first job, only to be fired for not having their uniform and being late by half an hour because it's 1 town away from the jail and more than a mile from the bus stop, and then i got to court that dash cam showed i only swerved to avoid someone stealing my right of way, "failing" my field sobriety tests for being tired and not clearly understanding the directions, had to pay the impound for the 4 days which they wouldn't change, but all charges dropped... that was what they called justice.
She's not wrong, but she was not right to abuse being not wrong about the fact cops abuse dui tests and manipulate drug dogs
So, regarding STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM. Now that we are at war, at least in CYBERLAND, with Russian and China and maybe Iran and North Korea, what can we do as a nation? Can we shut them off? Can we get a national firewall like China? Can we attract back? Should we switch to a new internet format that is more secure? WHAT SHOULD BE OUR NATIONAL POLICY? Great work as always Lex…I’m always impressed with your diversity of guests and your personal knowledge about so many things. CHEERS!