@demontiming3234 then sanji takes the fight seriously and uses ifrit jambi and move so much faster than Lee he can't see sanji, the sanji combo's him and lee get a family reunion with neji
Oh and abt sanjis durability we see a seraphim slice a mountain agsinst bb, seraphim jimbe punched sanji right in the face with fish man karate dura beg btw and sanji just tanked it
What does a seraphim cutting a mountain and a whole separate one punching Sanji have to do with one another? Are we using headcanon now to assume the attacks were on the same level? 😂
The meteorite feat presupposes that all the 8th gates users are equal in stats even if they are using the same gate. This means that technically rock Lee could actually potentially be higher or lower than 500 in regards to AP
Most likely higher considering his punch shattered the meteor and 500 is a lowball but safe estimate so yes I can presuppose this lmaooo and his AP certainly wouldn’t be lower idk where you’re getting that from there’s genuinely no evidence for it
@@dae-kai-jaz-minkang8193probably not due to the difference in durabilities between the characters… but then again, this is based on OP, which is highly plot and “agenda” driven. So usually these matchups arent fairly balanced
@@dae-kai-jaz-minkang8193 is that what I claimed retard when did I even disagree with the outcome. I just said Rock lees AP based on his own analysis could be higher or lower
@@gabe5363 assuming that rock lee and guy have similar stats and that the gates amp everyone equally, i would say that lee could likely win with the 8th gate. Guy went from fodder compared to madara to almost killing SO6P madara, and madara is definitely more durable than sanji. Apply that to lee and he maybe could win. But thats just what i think and im not sure abt the exact amps that 7th and 8th gates give
Sanji wins by feats. Nothing shown from 6 gates Lee comes close. Maybe after we see Lee use gate of Shock then he has a chance and Gate of death just outright mid dif. This is only using Gai feats btw. We don't even know if Lee will ever be stronger than Prime Gai. Nice video. Short and straight to the point.
Unless I’m a little wrong on how much the Gate of Death upscales, wouldn’t he still lose if he could get speed blitzed with the 6th gate and maybe even the Gate of Shock?
True but 8 gates users are extremely powerful tho Might guy is the strongest character in the Naruto verse falling behind six paths chakra users like Naruto so6p sasuke rinnegan DMS kakashi hagoromo kaguya juubito Etc
You forgot to mention the abilities granted by the raid suit, which also enhances the already strong physical skills of Sanji. Rock Lee isnt a sensor shinobi and cant fly so once Sanji turns invisible or starts to fly very high in the sky, its basically over for him.
Bro Lee got nerfed in terms of physical abilities Sanji can't match lee even with his cyborg body but Lee got nerfed when come to Boruto at that rate lee can't defeat Sanji
@@DARKSAMURAI-r8t The maximum power of Lee is just theoretical and the fruit of his comparison with his master. I doubt Kishimoto will give Lee a power boost similar to the one Might Guy got.
@@sbthesage2100 That decision was a plot tool used to develop Sanji character. If Sanji wanted, he could have become stronger by accepting the germa suit. My point is that post Wano Sanji with the raid suit would blitz Queen (and by consequence Lee) with more ease.
@@MiguelLopez-yc2rh if show was Naruto lee would have surpassed guy at least almost strong as guy but show is Boruto and every character got nerfed for children's development now lee is nothing than a experienced jonnin lvl
The crazy thing is that this is a crazy lowball for Sanji while it’s only a little bit low balling for Lee in terms of AP and such but a highball for speed which is wild
@@joeygamingnl2724 that’s not true that speed scaling is dirt all Luffy and gbe staw hats due is dodge the beams which would only equate to reaction speed also these feats have been calced at low relativistic
@@sbthesage2100like how luffy in a seen litrealy been talled that the Pacificta can shoot sockwaves Instead of laser he dodged it while not even knowing what kind of attcak is coming in base and then you have g2 luffy which like at least 7x And fatigued zoro dodging kuma Ls pads tons of them and many more feats which are consistent as luffy struggled to dodge but after ots he was like its slow lol And even if we say it relativistic the gang becomes like tens of time stronger pts making them in ftl after it I see you use battel wiki which hella inconsistent lol
@@sbthesage2100 bro what are you on the flames are fire they have heat yeah they increase his ap but is irrelevant as if one can tank the ap doesn't mean he can whitstand the heat of the flames they scale differently for the heat you need heat resistance commen sense 🤷♂️
@@sbthesage2100 The flames are still flames, yes they make his AP with his kicks higher but they are still flames, they still burn people when he hits them. Queen stated how his diable Jambe was burning the hell outta his insides causing internal damage. If his Diable Jambe is causing a large amount of internal damage then Ifrit Jambe which should be several times hotter would be absolutely crazy dura neg
@@bailong9698 cool that’s pretty obvious tho I’d his AP wasn’t good then the flames wouldn’t be that strong saying flames evaporate things is cool but the implication here is that missed something
@@xdrago1051 why would it matter if you’re strong enough to resist your insides getting cooked Duraneg imlys that your opponents durability dosent matter when it clearly plays a roll in the Queen and sanji fight his internal organs were more durable
Great video but I kinda dislike power scaling as a whole because of multiple factors. One reason that is shown in this video is because it tends to overrate characters way too much without fully understanding the implications of those overratings upon the world they are written in. Being the speed of light pretty much most of the times breaks the world of the story the author has written. This isn't always power scalers faults because pretty much near all authors don't truly grasp the speed of light either. The speed of light is so fast that it can go around the circumference of the 7 times in one singular second. That is pretty much global scaled teleportation to anyone who has a massively slower reaction speed compared to the speed of light. And that is ridiculously over powered even ignoring that a single grain of sand with the mass of 0.00001562 of a gram going at the speed of light has a destructive capability of 0.3355... of a ton of tnt when plugged into E=mc^2. That doesn't sound like a lot but that is a grain of sand with enough power to destroy an entire building. If Sanji could kick at the speed of light, there would be millions of grains of sand. If a leg is 17.5% the weight of a human and Sanji weights 80 kilograms, his leg would weight 14 kilograms or 896286811.78 grains of sand. Plugging in 14 kilograms into a kg to J of E=mc^2, there is 1258257250231544696 J or 300730700.3421... tons of tnt or pretty much 300 megatons per kick. And this is only at the speed of light so if the "6.5 times the speed of light" is to be trusted, he would be at minimum 1.95 gigatons of tnt if Sanji is as fast a Queen. And Sanji's leg isn't normal so it might even weigh more than this which multiplies the power even further. Of course his leg isn't being disintegrated every time he kicks so it might be less or maybe even more than 1.95 gigatons depending on how you view that information. If you believe in the latter, each individual kick is 1.95 gigatons which means he could do multiple rapid fire kicks which multiplies his power even further. Even though I did all of this math, this is to prove how ridiculous the speed of light is and how much the power scaling community stretch characters powers even though the world around the characters can't handle it. When I mean "the world around the characters can't handle it", I mean it introduces multiple giant gaping plot holes. Even though stronger One Piece characters could destroy cities, mountains, islands, and even continents, why isn't the top part of Onigashima not leveled every time any moderately strong character fights. Why are stronger One Piece characters even bothering to fight fodder if they could just atomize them in milliseconds or just ignore them by moving around them at relatively incomprehensible speeds. If the speed of light can go around the earth's circumference 7 times in one singular second, couldn't character with faster than speed of light travel just find the One Piece on Laugh Tale with just a few days, hours, or even minutes of trial and error. Of course the One Piece world is larger than Earth, but the circumference isn't so much bigger that it would take more than second for a speed of light character to go around. Why when characters are moving faster than the speed of light, air particles aren't built up in front of them which causes energy to be built up that it causes an explosion in front of them that vaporizes everyone around them that aren't strong enough to withstand it. How can Big Mom or Zoro be tied up if them flexing one of their arm muscles has the same amount of energy as the Tsar Bomba. I know this is a discussion on Attack Potency vs Destructive Capability but most of the time using AP vs DC as a defense doesn't cover it. TLDR: I think Power Scaling is a little dumb because writer and power scaler don't fully grasp certain concepts like the speed of light or mountain level strength which opens up plot holes ridiculously quickly. I had just realized that I had just spent 3 hours writing about 600 words, you can definitely tell that I am a teenage child on summer break considering how much time I spent on this paragraph and how many run on sentences there are.
Most of the time power scalers just like to make the character they like more win and in my opinion the power of a character doesn’t dictate how good they are but how well written they are and most people when power scaling will always have a bias but that’s ok. People are able to talk about the character they like but I hate all this nonsense with calculation’s because I know you be failing physics and calculus.
I somewhat agree with your point, such as how, if Sanji can travel at the speed of light, he hasn't discovered the one piece.But what I don't get is how you can deny it's fiction and some Physics are going to be Exaggerated . There are other instances in the story where characters Should of have died, such as Zoro constantly getting stabbed and bleeding out to the grim reaper Trying to take his soul. It's called fiction for a reason, you're supposed to suspend disbelief, and humans in fiction being far more durable than in real life is one of those things you gotta accept dude.
@manofculture8666 In my opinion, just being a fraction of the speed of light is incomprehensiblely fast. If you are going 1/7th of the speed of light, you can go around the circumference of the earth once every second. I don't think most characters that power scalers claim to be "Faster than Light" are even hypersonic. Why are these characters not fighting on a global scale if they can effortlessly go around the circumference of the earth in fractions of a second. If the speed of light can convert 100% of matter into energy just like anti-matter, why aren't countries being leveled every time they move even a few feet, let alone the whole circumference of the earth multiple times. Matter is not designed to go at the speed of light, and nothing can go faster than the speed of light. The Large Hadron Collider cost 4.75 billion dollars, and the whole purpose is to send only a few particles at a time at a speed of 99.9999991% of the speed of light. That is how much money that is necessary to send a few little atoms ridiculously near the speed of light but never at the speed of light. And all of this tangent is just to explain how matter isn't meant to go at such absurdly high speeds, let alone a human sized object traveling at multiple times the speed of light.
We literally have a 4k example from his master on how this fight would go The fight starts… and Sanji’s doing the Limbo? He said “how low can you go”??? OH SHIII, BLUD’S NECK!! Then Lee’s like: “OH SHIII HE’S HEALING!? Yo Naruto, why’d you send me to fight blonde Madara?!” Wym he just kicks fast, he’s right up ur alley” “Bro I can’t see him, and he healed after I broke his NECK, HE HAS 6 PATHS cause I am getting DOGWALKED”
Nice vid but u seriously downplayed sanjis ap.1. op planet is like a dwarf star or bigger so a one piece island is like a country or a continent scaled to us 2. Queens durability is simply a different level from doflamingo he’s a freaking ancient zoan cyborg 3. Sanji could already beat queen with diable jambe and germa genes he only used ifrit because he realized he could now and low diffed him. Sanji atleast continent ap imo
8 gate user: need to open 8 gate and sacrifice his life to be available to sky walk Sanji: casually learns how to sky walk running away from drag queens
I love the scaling and the video is very well put together however Newton’s third law dosen’t apply to naruto, there durability scaling scales significantly lower than their ap
Yes true everyone in naruto is dodging and if they tank a jutsu they tank it partially and still get damaged alot like most characters are glass canons with healing hax or some defensive jutsus that are can't be used by normal folks like Susano wood style and most normal defensive jutsus can't stop most b-A rank attack jutsus
Nah end of Wano Sanji is Stronger than End of Wano Zoro. He literally outclasses Zoro at everything excluding Conq. All that and you guys chose to ignore it because he's the left hand and has a lower bounty. Strength-Sanji Speed-Sanji Iq-Sanji Battle Iq- Debatable Durability-Sanji Armament-Debatable Abilities-Sanji Observation-Sanji Conquerors-Zoro
I agree with the outcome... But Lee actually destroyed half of that meteor by himself. Also, where did you see/hear that the All-Stars are around the same strength? And not sure i'd use the Laser Circus to speed scale, BUT I agree with your main points.
8th gate lee should be able to beat Sanji though. As well as 6th gate lee is light speed. Meaning 7th gate speed is above light speed. Night guy was able to bend space time with his speed. He was bending the fabric of space and time. So, Sanji would be out speeded by 8th gate lee and would lose to 8th gate lee.
@@demontiming3234 What is so special about that feat? What sanji did was more impressive, madara had a whole speech before guy attacked him, while sanji was literally moving so fast queen couldnt even see him, it was like he was invisible.
If you go by the anime, Lee was explicitly stated to master the 7th gate toward the end of Shippuden. And also, he was stated by Guy himself, to surpass his teacher in physical stats much earlier in Shippuden, with him simply lacking his teacher’s skill and battle IQ. So, that’d definitely altar the matchup, I think. Otherwise, solid video.
sup bro love ya content even tho i dont agree wit sum of ya takes. i haven't scaled or debated in like a year but i would honestly PAY to see u and kruos debate
So yeah, eye-brawl (skylanders) can solo one piece in one attack. If we use blackout’s ult (blackhole SUPERNOVA) as an example of strength within a base skylander, with some calculations, that attack yields a kinetic energy output of 34 OCTILLION tons of TNT. And eye-brawl (a giant) is outright stated to be one of the strongest skylanders ever. And there are feats to back it up. He’s wrecked the arkeyan conquertron, fought his own eye for a *CENTURY,* threw statues around like it’s nothing and pulled islands with just a chain. That’s right, he did a lobo and lacked leverage.
Love how Naruto fans are against One Piece using calcs because it makes no sense in physics... but will casually sit there and say Naruto Bijuu mode is Massively FTL 😂😂.. that's just as absurd.
This is dumb. You just said Lee surpassed war arc guy who almost killed 6 paths madara. 6 paths madara solos the one piece verse😭 so if Lee is stronger then guy he wins. It’s simple. Sanji does not one shot
Speed Sanji with ifrit jamble becam invisible that happen when someone broke through sound barrier and surpass speed(he did at age 21) And Lee did in age 14 with inner gates At age 20 he broke metoride in half by kick Lee had potential and ability to defat Sanji but Sanji get stronger time to time and Lee getting nerfed time to time If lee grow as same as in Shippuden he can be by seeing his performance in Boruto it was difficult 8gates is top strong don't forget it bend time and space when guy use even kaido can't handle Overall ,I think Sanji takes bcz Lee got nerfed
Because he was consisted a master of the 8 gates even when he couldn’t only do 5 ? The 8 inner gates does not mean all 8 inner gates so without proof there’s no reason to assume he can open all 8 gates
Sanji would not Blitz Lee. If you believe Sanji beats Lee fair enough. But Lee can percieve 8 gates Gai and JuubiJin Madara. Also Lee and Gai caught Haku while he was moving from one of his mirrors. Gai bodies Sanji, though. In 7th gate. No less.
Sanji is faster than light by a lot. Guy even in 8th gate is not confirmed to be light speed. Sanji with his superior speed and observation haki easily win since guy lack speed to hit Sanji. Prove egghead Sanji saving Edison and bonny.
Pretty Decently good scaling 👍 Tho lee can open 8th gate as people who can open 7th can Automatically open 8th who lee shown to be able to open in naruto wedding arc And if we go by statements lee can negs sanji but feat wise sanji negs
Actually no,Lee is comparable in speed to might guy,who was casually able to hit Madara in the 7th gate,he was also keeping up with Minato who can keep up with 6 paths Naruto,6 paths Naruto can keep up with Kaguyas Chakra manipulation Wich moves at 120 sextillion × the speed of light as it traveled the entire universe in an instant cause Kaguyas dimension is on a completely seperate plain of existence than the original Naruto dimension
Sanji out speed laser that light speed laser by cover distance between 3 large building in same time laser travelled few meters. And then save other characters from point blank range from light speed attack. Proving even in base he is lot faster than light. Then he have two power up to multiply that as well. In term of speed lee or even guy is not comparable. Guy best speed feat by assumption is light speed at best. Also your explanation did not make any sense.
He said that lee mastered the technique as a whole, meaning he COULD use them all but isn’t a master at the last two, plus it doesn’t really change all that much anyways
Bro I'm sorry you can't use Newtons 3rd law to justify durability in anime. Not when you have aliens getting hurt by kunai and defeated by rasengans. There's so many more examples I can use to prove that. I bet if you calc Rock Lee from part 1 against Gaara that won't even hold up. You can scale that Gaara to Kimimaru and the force of his sand pulverization should be far beyond that to take out Lee if that was the case.
Yes you can lmao idk why you can’t you didn’t explain and the “aliens” getting hurt by kunai and Rasengan doesn’t mean you can bc super chakra enhanced ninja can that’s laughably dumb also while I agree lees durability isint large moutain level at all times in the moment he uses punches and kicks he does tho his durability can degrade slowly but so will his AP simple
Thats horrendous downplay for Sanji, since current Sanji is massively stronger then Dressrosa Luffy who defeated Don Chinjao in base, someone who in his prime split an ice continent in half with 1 attack. So base Luffy would already have country lvl ap, and gear 2nd increases his strength and speed by tenfold from databooks, and gear 4th 4x times on top of gear 2nd taking doflamingos statement, Luffy in gear 4th would already have continental ap, and that gear 4th dressrosa luffy was surpassed by base wci luffy when he surpassed his limits, and THAT luffy in gear 4th is weaker then sanji who blitzed and absolutely demolished queen, also that speed was also heavily downplayed, since sanji would easily be mftl to mftl+, just shows how unfair this matchup is.
Why does Luffy beating older weaker chinjao scale him to prime chinjao are you slow lmao also his continent split is calced at island level the gear 2 being a 10x multipler is a mistranslation in the French data book the raw scans say nothing about a 10x amp gear 4 is not speed multipler Doffy specifically says power you’re pulling speed out of your butt lmao
@@sbthesage2100 Beatíng old don chinjao means he is atleast country in base, i didnt say he is continental in base, also luffy already was ftl in return to sabaody arc, so him rn being mftl to mftl+ is not crazy with all those amps, also his continent split is calced at continent BECAUSE ITS A CONTINENT, also that gear 2nd isnt mistranslation, idk where you came up with that, and have you seen how gear 4th luffy started to blitz doffy badly? its a speed mutliplier, and even with your horrendous downplay, its still might not be true because the one piece planet is much bigger then our earth, there are calcs where it says its as big as a dwarf star, or just 5x bigger then earth.
@@sbthesage2100 Sai is confirmed continental by Chinjao himself and that guy was fighting not doflamingo but an executive :///. Luffy is way past continental even at dressrosa. Also who lied to you and told you that splitting an entire continents worth of insanely durable Ice that cant even be so much as scratched is island level. Bro that doesnt even make sense saying it out loud 💀
@@xdrago1051 One piece characters are honestly built different. Even if we say Sai is stronger than third gear Luffy(somehow), he's weaker than Dressrosa 4th gear Luffy who can destroy Doflamingo's strongest strings. Of course, One Piece is one of the most downplayed verses. Luffy's been ftl since the foxy arc because Luffy dodged multiple photons at point blank range. Sure, some may say this isn't lightspeed for whatever reason, but those same people will say base naruto is mtfl because he did the EXACT SAME THING in the light novel. Charlotte Mont Dor also created multiple universes that were stated to span infinitely, but that's more of a hax ability. However if this was any other anime other than One Piece, it would be seen as multiversal feat, and anyone stronger than him would be calced at multiversal because creating multiple universes= multiversal ap. Not accusing the creator of this vid of anything, but in general, there is a double standard when it comes to scaling One Piece. Whitebeard is stated to be able to destroy the world by four different sources by shifting tectonic plates which implies more than just society. The fact that Sengoku and Tsuru who were a part of Whitebeards Era said even moving to the other side of the world wouldn't defend you from his power. This isn't talking about influence either as a devil fruit obviously doesn't have influence. Even with all this proof, it's still just hyperbole. Meanwhile one databook known for overexaggerating says Kuruma can turn the world to ashes, and this is 100% fact. See the hypocrisy here? I don't doubt that high tier naruto characters have planet level ap, but nobody in Naruto has the DC to destroy a planet. AlI i'm saying is I think it's time we accept that One Piece characters are more than island level and hypersonic. Again, i'm not accusing the creator of the vid of anything.
@@xdrago1051 I thought I replied but I guess I didn't. Anyway, it's probably because neither of us have a narrative. I'm not trying to prove Luffy solos fiction because quite frankly, I don't care. He's just factually underestimated as people ignore stuff from the author himself but try to make other verses universal through fake translations. I understand the idea of creation feats being scalable to ap, but that usually isn't applicable to anime. Maybe you could argue this for dbz, but Chakra doesn't work like that. Naruto from the very beginning had a higher Chakra pool than most people, but he was still getting cut by Kunai's. Even if Kaguya had enough Chakra to create a Universe, you'd have to prove she has a technique with that level of power that could be used in a combat setting. Chakra doesn't scale to ap or the strength of punches like ki does. Naruto is about techniques instead of physical strength. Even if a character in Naruto can blow up a forest, they likely would be killed by the same explosion. The majority of Naruto characters can be cut by Kunais. The fact that Sakura can damage Kaguya implies her durability isn't that powerful. This isn't inconsistent either. Kinshiki was defeated by low level kage, and Urashiki lost to kid Naruto and Boruto. These guys aren't some universal eldritch Gods like the fandom wants to portray them as. "When true power is concentrated onto a single point, it causes no unnecessary destruction!" - Bon Clay. Bon Clay kicked a hole into a wall without causing any cracks, yet he was obviously way above wall level. Bajrang Gun being only island level is the stupidest. downplay. I can understand some downplaying sometimes, but legit the only way you believe this is 1. you aren't caught up in One Piece or 2. You don't watch One Piece. King Kong Gun alone wasn't much bigger than an Elephant Gun yet it folded a city by punching a human into it. Post Udon Training Luffy's base is stronger than Whole Cake Gear 4 who had a n armament haki buff which is unquantifiable but should be atleast a little stronger than it was before. Some people think Luffy was only hurting Kaido because of Durability Negation, but this same Luffy was able to not be oneshot by Hybrid Kaido granted. Now he took a lot of damage, but that's better than previous gear 4. He even blocked an attack with a ton of effort. Conquerors Haki is another reset. Gear 5 > Gear 4 Conquerors Haki Infusion > Base Conquerors Haki Infusion > Gear 4 Advanced Armament Haki > Base Advanced Armament Haki > Post Whole Cake Gear 4 Bounceman > Dressrosa Gear 4 Bounceman. Even ignoring Chinjao's continental feat, saying Luffy is only island level is blatant downplay.
Great video but lets be honest here, Kaido saying King, Queen and Jack are all on the same level is just blatantly wrong. King > Queen & Jack i might be high balling it here but Queen and especially Jack were pretty underwhelming to me.
@@sbthesage2100 i know theres no indication but King just had a better showing than the other two, looking back on it Queen isn't trash but his personality and being overly cocky is what mainly holds him down so i guess ill let Queen slide but im pretty sure everyone can agree that Jack is clearly lacking behind both of them.
@@sbthesage2100 Well durability does play a big part in that but mainly talking about how long he was able to last while also the people he fought like Zoro and Sanji/Marco for the small time that he did, while also the attacks that he showed off in the fight vs Zoro looked pretty cool and some even look like it can cause huge AOE damage. And i get the reason why he also has better performance is because hes the right hand but it still looked more impressive. But i wont downplay Queens Durability which was insane considering how much he was able to tank from Sanji but besides that Sanji pretty much dog walked Queen for alot of there fight but the mech-cyborg aspect of Queen was still pretty cool. Jack was struggling against the scabbards which if it were Queen or King instead of Jack they would have gotten the job done easier, Jacks Zoan is also pretty bad and only really serves for more Durability.
Of course it ain’t close. Thanks to Kishimoto’s neglecting ass when it comes to side characters screen times and feats. I admit my saltiness cuz Lee is among my top 3 favorite characters
Neji and Lee getting no development in part 2 is such a fumble but when you do your research you’ll realize their arcs are completed in part 1 which is why they’re underwhelming in part 2 hell Lee was even supposed to die
Agree with the outcome but your scaling in every video is so...weird. Like why are you scaling Lee through the metorite scene since that requires you to assume that all of them are equal which is highly unlikely. Why upscale Queen from Doffy instead of upscaling from Inurashi/Nekomamushi or Jimbei and Who's Who or scaling around Marco and King?
If anything the only bad assumption was the lowball on Lee’s AP which is the best scaling for Lee so idk what you’re talking about and why would I upscale Queen from charcters with no calculable feats that are impressive?
Nah. 8 gates only has 8 forms. Kaioken can go on forever. The only thing stopping Goku from doing that his, the staring on his body. You seriously wanna say a power that can increase strength times 100000 is worse than a transformation that turns you into a glass cannon?
@CompositeAMVsSupreme-ke6mo no wonder he said it was better. His name is swagkage. A naruto fan. You need an unbiased opinion. I think both anime are sub par so I am not biased.
@CompositeAMVsSupreme-ke6mo I've watched him and still do. It doesn't matter if he's a powerscaler. I can't trust a naruto fan to correctly powescale against DragonBall.
We just forgeting how naruto works in that all of the younger generation is always stronger than the previous? We should be scaling guy as a minimum for current lees capability. Considering the current kage are all capable of trading with momoshiki level opponents this would be where lee starts the fight with no or only 1 to 3 gates open in terms of physical ability. Odds are lee at 7 gates will be as strong or stronger than 8 gates guy.
@@sbthesage2100 What do you mean madara and hashi was surpassed by naruto and sasuke and the 4th the people they were tied to narrativley as reincarnations/family.
Lmao why do I care what people think I know im not biased there are videos where Naruto characters win and videos where they lose I’m not trying to get one series over the other that’s just dumb
@@silvertongue.242_99comments and I know many people underrate one piece power scaling. Believe it or not, many people actually believe that rock lee is even remotely close to sanji in power level which is just untrue. You’d be surprised about the crazy stuff I see when people compare naruto to one piece🤦🏽♂️
It’s not that it’s not close it’s just stupid to compare characters from different anime cause they have different power systems so it’s just not fair in my opinion for example a one piece character can defend them selves with haki and haki is pretty broken but Naruto characters are way more vulnerable And Sanji being the third strongest is very debatable by the way so I hate when people use it as a fact
@@star-rock6466 Don’t insult me like that how tf I’m I new ? I’ve been watching one piece probably before you even hit puberty kid Of course I know this shit I’m just saying my opinion don’t just assume things I just still think it’s stupid specially goko vs Saitama is the stupidest one
@@yo-kaikid1925 It was never stated he’s the third strongest it was always ambiguous wether he’s equal to zoro in strength or not If you don’t have a source to Sanji being third strongest from Oda then just stfu
@@sbthesage2100 ok but your talking about Sanji is calc at 5x the speed of light how do you know that it's not specifically stated so how you make a scale for Sanji but not for lee
Just some question you said sanji moves 6 times faster than light and lee so how can he be FTL+ cuz you have to move 10x faster than light to be FTL+ Also i disagree with lee FTL speed cuz darui attack was never stated to be light speed but rays of light tho its still count as light speed but debunk by the fact that its move in a curve motion and said to manipulate lightning Also why assume that other are equal to lee in AP also lee is the only one shown to be punching the meteor Tho it doesn't change the fact that sanji is stronger just saying Tho if we take the statement from boruto naruto the movie novel where its said lee is someone who contend with characters like momoshiki than he stomp like no joke Also lee have open 8 gates cuz being able to open 7th gate automatically means you can open 8th gate which he did in naruto episode 495
Daruis laser circus is stated to move at light speed I even provided a scan also and bending dosent matter that’s not one of the light speed disqualifiers and I said the other gates users were equal in AP bc they put in work and I wanted a safe estimate also where is it ever stated going gate 7 means you can go gate 8 and last thing is Lee never goes 7th gate in episode 495 + 495 is not cannon
@@sbthesage2100 no you provided a scan where its said ray of light not speed of light And not traveling in straight lines is direct criteria from vsbw which show a beam is NOT real light aka not light speed And also its actually is stated being able to open seventh gate means you can easily go to the 8th gate which takes your life as minato stated guy master the 8 inner gate even tho he was only using 7th gate of death while its stated at the same time lee hasn't mastered it even tho he can use 6th gate and no its not talking skill wise cuz minato stated that only after seeing them open gates and not by their performance As also their is no other way of knowing if you can actually open 8th gate without trying
If Lee got the development, he deserves like maybe him attacking isikki causing him to bleed and having a decent fight before getting defeated, he would destroy sanji but here he looses
U did good in scaling one piece characters this time but when u did 5 kage vs 4 emperors u extemly lowballed u even still lowballed sanji, luffy zoro n sanji all been faster than light pre time skip
Brother you are so wrong about rock lee…. You are literally saying that lee hasn’t mastered all 8 gates by now just cause he has never shown to use them the same lee who opened 5th gate as a kid in which kakashi stated that even he struggled to do and I really don’t think Sanjis advanced observation haki will do him any good even sasuke with just one tomoe sharingan had pre-cong better than any Observation haki user and still he lost to lee …even in his 6th gate lee completely overpowered 4tailed naruto and 4tailed naruto was someone who managed to defeat orochimaru…..
@@sbthesage2100 brother his own son said that he has mastered all 8gates and if you have read novels you would know that lee is the leader of an foundation called the sucide squad and each member of this squad is able to open at least 6th gate and obviously lee has trained them and we know how persistent he is with all things in mind there is more reasons to believe that lee has mastered all the gates than not to believe it…plus those episode’s were canon as it was shown that kabuto was in his testing phase of his reanimated characters, those episodes were attached to the main story of naruto shippuden hence it’s canon….and if you are talking about speed than you should know that even in Og naruto lee in his base form was able to dodge multiple lightning strike coming from his blind spot……. And you know as well as I know that the observation haki luffy’s crew has is no better than kid 1 tomoe sharingan and lee still beat him without going all out…..
@@sbthesage2100 only if you had read novels than you would have known that any op character is no where near the level of top level character in naruto….in the novel when Mitsuki was in danger during a mission sasuke literally froze the whole ocean in an instant, naruto while being on verge of death and wasn’t able to use even a drop of his chakara due to an illness dodged multiple photon beams at point blank range…kakashi during his mission vaporised the water wall which was big enough to drown whole nation and kakashi vaporised it 3 times and that’s after he fought for whole 2 days…..Sakura once battled multiple 9 tails jinjurikis she even took the biju bimb head on got her whole stomach torn off and she still was able to defeat the nine tails jinjuriki….that’s not all there are multiple feats ………you see all the op fans get hyped up when luffy learned royku which can damage his opponents inside out but they forget that even in Og Naruto base naruto with his simple rasengan can damage the opponent inside out….
@@sbthesage2100 in the anime, due to Lee's extensive training, he has shown to be able to run and fight even while unconscious or asleep, using nothing but pure muscle memory. As an adult, Lee is considered to be one of Konoha's best taijutsu users.
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj this proves nothing you’re genuinely rating his son dosent know anything about the gates and you saying he’s persistent dosent prove he can open up past gate 6
Space doesn't bend, but objects inside space attracts other objects inside space. Every piece of mass, or matter are probably accelerating towards light speed. Every piece of mass, or matter down to the smallest sub atomic particles, could have an internal components that equals V=C, hence the vacuum speed of light. ah yes, Lee one shots sanji IF he has the space bending move that guy used against Madara and IF it lands on sanji
i mean its not good scaling but its definitely not the worst. Ive seen someone say G5 Luffys Bajrang Gun is island level in AP because his fist is "only" the size of an island LMFAO
@@sbthesage2100your speed scaling for sanji is off considering he would up scale from pts luffy and zoro zoro having light speed reaction feats with his fight with kuma also luffy effortlessly dodging light beams sanji is definitely alot faster than what you Scaled him to be
I'm not hater I like power scaling cuz I like mathematics and time behind, but I'm have call you out on the durability. You said 2:40 sorry that's not how newton's third law works. I can tell you read third law but didn't fully understand. Let's just say this by your mathematics you saying if a human with a gun for a hand can shoot 9mm and also receive 9mm shots to the chest and be fine because newton's third law can scale there attack = durability.
I do understand Newton’s third law why are you equating sanji’s kicks to a gun lmao it’s literally just his leg he has to tank the counter force that his leg puts out or his body would collapse and be destroyed you’re clearly the one who dosent know how Newton’s third law works
yes lee saying he master the eight gates mean he can't use all of them so he didn't master them. so your wrong might guy got the eight gates but didn't use it till he had no other choice. the series shows us lee growth he was likely 12 when he met guy and in 5 years he unlock 6 gates with rock lee never stopped training after the war no reason he doesn't learn all eight. you are the worse naruto powerscaler i have ever seen because you serious on low balling the verse. i use the context on lee and how his unlocks of the gates were and he 100% unlocks them all. i can say every gate is a 12x multiplier given they are dozens of times with the eight gates being 100x. i'll take your lowball of 500 megatons multiple it by 12 to get 6 gigatons. then the 100x multiple of eight gates to get 600 gigatons. this is the lowball. it up to you to prove the multipliers i used wrong. oh and his speed would be 1200xmftl+ also a lowball but a fair one. even if 8 gates only a 12x his ap would be 72 gigatons and his speed 144xftl+. oh and in the novelization of the boruto movie naruto says lee would be of help in the fight. not only because he uses zero ninjutsu but he also not be a hinder to him meaning to naruto rock lee could hurt momoshiki and/or kinshiki not to far out given naruto and sasuke at full power can dog walk momoshiki and kinshiki. so to be honest rock lee in boruto would be star level and mftl+ while using the gates.
There is literally 0 definitive evidence of Lee mastering all 8 gates cope guy being able to open all 8 and knowing he could means jack shit since we know you can know 2 3 4 or even 5 gates and still be considered a master of the 8 techniques pls stfu also 8 gates is only a multipler in strength not speed read the dozens of times statement again pls says strength nothing about speed
So much head canon on your part. He stated we have literally no proof Lee can open the 7th or 8th gate. Even if he wouldn't use 8th to kill himself, 7th gate is still possible
Not even trying to call u stupid or anything, just seriously curious to know where you got 12x multiplier from, and y did u just assume rock lee knows the 8th gate. Even still he will be very inexperienced and who knows if it’s even close to might guys power lvl.
well by this logic sanji has advanced observation and can see the future since thats his strongest form of haki and was shown to be able to dodge an attack that was using future sight so he still wins
Also, Sanji always scales very close to Zoro. A lot of Zoro's feats could probably be applied to Sanji too. Though, Sanji is a little weaker. Like in Stampede, when Zoro cut a meteor in half. If Zoro could do it, Sanji could kick it and break it too.
Honestly I don't see Zoro as any stronger. Sanji fights weaker opponents but he struggles significantly less. Also the only thing I see Zoro beating Sanji in is strength and endurance. They have different aspects of them that make them even. Sanji's speed makes his kicks just as strong as Zoro's attacks. Also since Current Sanji>>Stampede Zoro, Sanji would easily destroy the meteor. Not a Sanji vs Zoro debate. Just claiming they have different aspects that make them equals.
And that's why "when the fight starts sanji disappears" is a real thing!
A true restless gambler fan
He beat me to it!
Ah yes then Lee activates Gates and starts going crazy
@demontiming3234 then sanji takes the fight seriously and uses ifrit jambi and move so much faster than Lee he can't see sanji, the sanji combo's him and lee get a family reunion with neji
@@demontiming3234Bruh 6 gates Lee ain’t doing shit he didn’t even do anything in his own series.
Sanji can also use sky and blue walk, high speed movement in the air and sea
True missed that by bad
@@sbthesage2100 it's not a big deal
Oh and abt sanjis durability we see a seraphim slice a mountain agsinst bb, seraphim jimbe punched sanji right in the face with fish man karate dura beg btw and sanji just tanked it
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What does a seraphim cutting a mountain and a whole separate one punching Sanji have to do with one another? Are we using headcanon now to assume the attacks were on the same level? 😂
@@demontiming3234its not head cannon all the seraphims are equal thats pretty clear
@@demontiming3234 yeah seraphims are equal or relative
If Death Battle gave it to Sanji 2 years ago, imagine how the fight would go today.
Sanji would slam with his current power
The meteorite feat presupposes that all the 8th gates users are equal in stats even if they are using the same gate. This means that technically rock Lee could actually potentially be higher or lower than 500 in regards to AP
Most likely higher considering his punch shattered the meteor and 500 is a lowball but safe estimate so yes I can presuppose this lmaooo and his AP certainly wouldn’t be lower idk where you’re getting that from there’s genuinely no evidence for it
This vid was good and true but if rock Lee did know the 8th gates and surpassed guy would that change who wins?
@@dae-kai-jaz-minkang8193probably not due to the difference in durabilities between the characters… but then again, this is based on OP, which is highly plot and “agenda” driven. So usually these matchups arent fairly balanced
@@dae-kai-jaz-minkang8193 is that what I claimed retard when did I even disagree with the outcome. I just said Rock lees AP based on his own analysis could be higher or lower
@@gabe5363 assuming that rock lee and guy have similar stats and that the gates amp everyone equally, i would say that lee could likely win with the 8th gate. Guy went from fodder compared to madara to almost killing SO6P madara, and madara is definitely more durable than sanji. Apply that to lee and he maybe could win. But thats just what i think and im not sure abt the exact amps that 7th and 8th gates give
Sanji wins by feats. Nothing shown from 6 gates Lee comes close. Maybe after we see Lee use gate of Shock then he has a chance and Gate of death just outright mid dif.
This is only using Gai feats btw. We don't even know if Lee will ever be stronger than Prime Gai.
Nice video. Short and straight to the point.
Unless I’m a little wrong on how much the Gate of Death upscales, wouldn’t he still lose if he could get speed blitzed with the 6th gate and maybe even the Gate of Shock?
True but 8 gates users are extremely powerful tho
Might guy is the strongest character in the Naruto verse falling behind six paths chakra users like Naruto so6p sasuke rinnegan DMS kakashi hagoromo kaguya juubito Etc
8th gates is inferior to CP9 level. Sanji one shots.
@@kleb1e op fans are officially most brainless creatures in the planet. Lee on base faster than anyone in overrated piece
Oh yeah and yeah sanji solo dbz too ?
Idk why people like to downplay one piece characters strength
they are dumb bro....Sanji easily break "Rock"lee....😂
Sanji speed blitzes
no
He's many times faster lmao
@@eddieboston6540 How no? Rock lees slow ass aint catching nothing.
perception blitzes honestly
@@Jesuslovesyou-i3d he doesn't have Naruto speed calc so no he doesn't speed blitz
You forgot to mention the abilities granted by the raid suit, which also enhances the already strong physical skills of Sanji.
Rock Lee isnt a sensor shinobi and cant fly so once Sanji turns invisible or starts to fly very high in the sky, its basically over for him.
He doesn't have the raid suit currently and his peak is awakening
Bro Lee got nerfed in terms of physical abilities Sanji can't match lee even with his cyborg body but Lee got nerfed when come to Boruto at that rate lee can't defeat Sanji
@@DARKSAMURAI-r8t The maximum power of Lee is just theoretical and the fruit of his comparison with his master.
I doubt Kishimoto will give Lee a power boost similar to the one Might Guy got.
@@sbthesage2100 That decision was a plot tool used to develop Sanji character. If Sanji wanted, he could have become stronger by accepting the germa suit.
My point is that post Wano Sanji with the raid suit would blitz Queen (and by consequence Lee) with more ease.
@@MiguelLopez-yc2rh if show was Naruto lee would have surpassed guy at least almost strong as guy but show is Boruto and every character got nerfed for children's development now lee is nothing than a experienced jonnin lvl
And Now Sanji will not lose his leg. ;3
Bro lowballed sanji and highballed lee and sanji still no diffed💀
the thing about this lee is more of a side character and not a main character so he isnt gonna have alot of feats
Sanji: I heard you like Curry. Try this.
Rock Lee:😭😭😭😍😍😍
The crazy thing is that this is a crazy lowball for Sanji while it’s only a little bit low balling for Lee in terms of AP and such but a highball for speed which is wild
This is not a crazy low ball for sanji wtf are one piece fans smoking lol
@@sbthesage2100 Sanji has been ftl-ftl+ since the pre time skip
@@joeygamingnl2724 that’s not true that speed scaling is dirt all Luffy and gbe staw hats due is dodge the beams which would only equate to reaction speed also these feats have been calced at low relativistic
@@sbthesage2100like how luffy in a seen litrealy been talled that the Pacificta can shoot sockwaves Instead of laser he dodged it while not even knowing what kind of attcak is coming in base and then you have g2 luffy which like at least 7x
And fatigued zoro dodging kuma Ls pads tons of them and many more feats which are consistent as luffy struggled to dodge but after ots he was like its slow lol
And even if we say it relativistic the gang becomes like tens of time stronger pts making them in ftl after it
I see you use battel wiki which hella inconsistent lol
@@sbthesage2100good vid tho
Amazing video
You missed snji's flames same as death battel aswell lol he can evaporate him in one hit
The flames scale to his AP what are you talking about 😂
@@sbthesage2100 bro what are you on the flames are fire they have heat yeah they increase his ap but is irrelevant as if one can tank the ap doesn't mean he can whitstand the heat of the flames they scale differently for the heat you need heat resistance commen sense 🤷♂️
@@sbthesage2100 The flames are still flames, yes they make his AP with his kicks higher but they are still flames, they still burn people when he hits them. Queen stated how his diable Jambe was burning the hell outta his insides causing internal damage. If his Diable Jambe is causing a large amount of internal damage then Ifrit Jambe which should be several times hotter would be absolutely crazy dura neg
@@bailong9698 cool that’s pretty obvious tho I’d his AP wasn’t good then the flames wouldn’t be that strong saying flames evaporate things is cool but the implication here is that missed something
@@xdrago1051 why would it matter if you’re strong enough to resist your insides getting cooked Duraneg imlys that your opponents durability dosent matter when it clearly plays a roll in the Queen and sanji fight his internal organs were more durable
The fight starts, Sanji disappears
Sanji doesn’t need gates to walk on air. Also you shouldn’t include the Germa genes and Ifrit Jambe because when the video came out.
Hell yeah, keep making these
Great video but I kinda dislike power scaling as a whole because of multiple factors. One reason that is shown in this video is because it tends to overrate characters way too much without fully understanding the implications of those overratings upon the world they are written in. Being the speed of light pretty much most of the times breaks the world of the story the author has written. This isn't always power scalers faults because pretty much near all authors don't truly grasp the speed of light either. The speed of light is so fast that it can go around the circumference of the 7 times in one singular second. That is pretty much global scaled teleportation to anyone who has a massively slower reaction speed compared to the speed of light. And that is ridiculously over powered even ignoring that a single grain of sand with the mass of 0.00001562 of a gram going at the speed of light has a destructive capability of 0.3355... of a ton of tnt when plugged into E=mc^2. That doesn't sound like a lot but that is a grain of sand with enough power to destroy an entire building. If Sanji could kick at the speed of light, there would be millions of grains of sand. If a leg is 17.5% the weight of a human and Sanji weights 80 kilograms, his leg would weight 14 kilograms or 896286811.78 grains of sand. Plugging in 14 kilograms into a kg to J of E=mc^2, there is 1258257250231544696 J or 300730700.3421... tons of tnt or pretty much 300 megatons per kick. And this is only at the speed of light so if the "6.5 times the speed of light" is to be trusted, he would be at minimum 1.95 gigatons of tnt if Sanji is as fast a Queen. And Sanji's leg isn't normal so it might even weigh more than this which multiplies the power even further. Of course his leg isn't being disintegrated every time he kicks so it might be less or maybe even more than 1.95 gigatons depending on how you view that information. If you believe in the latter, each individual kick is 1.95 gigatons which means he could do multiple rapid fire kicks which multiplies his power even further. Even though I did all of this math, this is to prove how ridiculous the speed of light is and how much the power scaling community stretch characters powers even though the world around the characters can't handle it. When I mean "the world around the characters can't handle it", I mean it introduces multiple giant gaping plot holes. Even though stronger One Piece characters could destroy cities, mountains, islands, and even continents, why isn't the top part of Onigashima not leveled every time any moderately strong character fights. Why are stronger One Piece characters even bothering to fight fodder if they could just atomize them in milliseconds or just ignore them by moving around them at relatively incomprehensible speeds. If the speed of light can go around the earth's circumference 7 times in one singular second, couldn't character with faster than speed of light travel just find the One Piece on Laugh Tale with just a few days, hours, or even minutes of trial and error. Of course the One Piece world is larger than Earth, but the circumference isn't so much bigger that it would take more than second for a speed of light character to go around. Why when characters are moving faster than the speed of light, air particles aren't built up in front of them which causes energy to be built up that it causes an explosion in front of them that vaporizes everyone around them that aren't strong enough to withstand it. How can Big Mom or Zoro be tied up if them flexing one of their arm muscles has the same amount of energy as the Tsar Bomba. I know this is a discussion on Attack Potency vs Destructive Capability but most of the time using AP vs DC as a defense doesn't cover it.
TLDR: I think Power Scaling is a little dumb because writer and power scaler don't fully grasp certain concepts like the speed of light or mountain level strength which opens up plot holes ridiculously quickly.
I had just realized that I had just spent 3 hours writing about 600 words, you can definitely tell that I am a teenage child on summer break considering how much time I spent on this paragraph and how many run on sentences there are.
Most of the time power scalers just like to make the character they like more win and in my opinion the power of a character doesn’t dictate how good they are but how well written they are and most people when power scaling will always have a bias but that’s ok. People are able to talk about the character they like but I hate all this nonsense with calculation’s because I know you be failing physics and calculus.
I somewhat agree with your point, such as how, if Sanji can travel at the speed of light, he hasn't discovered the one piece.But what I don't get is how you can deny it's fiction and some Physics are going to be Exaggerated . There are other instances in the story where characters Should of have died, such as Zoro constantly getting stabbed and bleeding out to the grim reaper Trying to take his soul. It's called fiction for a reason, you're supposed to suspend disbelief, and humans in fiction being far more durable than in real life is one of those things you gotta accept dude.
Almost like when they say Naruto in Bijuu mode is MFTL.. like people don't even comprehend how fast being Massively Faster Than Light is.
@manofculture8666 In my opinion, just being a fraction of the speed of light is incomprehensiblely fast. If you are going 1/7th of the speed of light, you can go around the circumference of the earth once every second. I don't think most characters that power scalers claim to be "Faster than Light" are even hypersonic. Why are these characters not fighting on a global scale if they can effortlessly go around the circumference of the earth in fractions of a second. If the speed of light can convert 100% of matter into energy just like anti-matter, why aren't countries being leveled every time they move even a few feet, let alone the whole circumference of the earth multiple times. Matter is not designed to go at the speed of light, and nothing can go faster than the speed of light. The Large Hadron Collider cost 4.75 billion dollars, and the whole purpose is to send only a few particles at a time at a speed of 99.9999991% of the speed of light. That is how much money that is necessary to send a few little atoms ridiculously near the speed of light but never at the speed of light. And all of this tangent is just to explain how matter isn't meant to go at such absurdly high speeds, let alone a human sized object traveling at multiple times the speed of light.
Anime fallow doesn't real life logic and can people actually understand the difference combat speed and travel speed.
We literally have a 4k example from his master on how this fight would go
The fight starts… and Sanji’s doing the Limbo? He said “how low can you go”??? OH SHIII, BLUD’S NECK!! Then Lee’s like: “OH SHIII HE’S HEALING!? Yo Naruto, why’d you send me to fight blonde Madara?!” Wym he just kicks fast, he’s right up ur alley” “Bro I can’t see him, and he healed after I broke his NECK, HE HAS 6 PATHS cause I am getting DOGWALKED”
Where are the references for the amounts of TNT for Attack potency ? genuinely curious
It makes more sense for you to match him up with Might Guy.
Another Natsu Vs battle 🗣️
Plus W vid
W video. i like tht its straight to the point there was a one piece character down scale but W conlusion
Nice vid but u seriously downplayed sanjis ap.1. op planet is like a dwarf star or bigger so a one piece island is like a country or a continent scaled to us 2. Queens durability is simply a different level from doflamingo he’s a freaking ancient zoan cyborg 3. Sanji could already beat queen with diable jambe and germa genes he only used ifrit because he realized he could now and low diffed him. Sanji atleast continent ap imo
The one piece planet is not that large its probably as big as Jupiter ldk where y'all get the idea the op planet is as big as a damn star💀
@@idropNukes999there are many that calc it at slightly smaller than our son.
@@BangSamMatthose are not real😂
8 gate user: need to open 8 gate and sacrifice his life to be available to sky walk
Sanji: casually learns how to sky walk running away from drag queens
I love the scaling and the video is very well put together however Newton’s third law dosen’t apply to naruto, there durability scaling scales significantly lower than their ap
Not in lees case no
Yes true everyone in naruto is dodging and if they tank a jutsu they tank it partially and still get damaged alot like most characters are glass canons with healing hax or some defensive jutsus that are can't be used by normal folks like Susano wood style and most normal defensive jutsus can't stop most b-A rank attack jutsus
Pre time skip Sanji violates
Nah end of Wano Sanji is Stronger than End of Wano Zoro. He literally outclasses Zoro at everything excluding Conq. All that and you guys chose to ignore it because he's the left hand and has a lower bounty.
Strength-Sanji
Speed-Sanji
Iq-Sanji
Battle Iq- Debatable
Durability-Sanji
Armament-Debatable
Abilities-Sanji
Observation-Sanji
Conquerors-Zoro
Press x to doubt
Great video. Can you do Rayleigh vs Jiraya video or Zoro vs Killer Bee Yamato vs Tsunade please
Be on the look out for that Jiriya vs Rayleigh one lol
Why Zoro and killer? We alr saw how that fight played out.
@@damarionthomas701 killer bee sorry*
@@pattouco ouuu now that's a good ass fight
@@sbthesage2100 i wanted to say Zoro vs Killer Bee lol. Garp vs Third Railage will be good too
Man why couldn’t lee just have plot armor bro 😔✊
Fax. But Sanji wouldn’t want any smoke with 8th Gate Guy
He slams guy mid diff
8th gate guy dies after the fight tho so it’s a draw 😂
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjnah sanji stomps
💀 sanji low diffs guy and its not close
@@Jesuslovesyou-i3dthat niqqa sanji getting smoked by 8th gate guy, you're on crack💀
Can you make a video about Anos vs Goku?
I agree with the outcome... But Lee actually destroyed half of that meteor by himself. Also, where did you see/hear that the All-Stars are around the same strength? And not sure i'd use the Laser Circus to speed scale, BUT I agree with your main points.
8th gate lee should be able to beat Sanji though. As well as 6th gate lee is light speed. Meaning 7th gate speed is above light speed. Night guy was able to bend space time with his speed. He was bending the fabric of space and time. So, Sanji would be out speeded by 8th gate lee and would lose to 8th gate lee.
No dawg
No form of lee would be able to contend with sanji, put him up against 8th gate guy and it would be actually a interesting battle.
Stop using " time " every time you mention guy bent space . No where it said he bent space + time .
@@ItzKarZah yes so Sanji can bend spacetime with shear physical force?
@@demontiming3234 What is so special about that feat? What sanji did was more impressive, madara had a whole speech before guy attacked him, while sanji was literally moving so fast queen couldnt even see him, it was like he was invisible.
Sakura vs big mom coming up I can feel it🙏🙏🙏🙏
How about Sakura vs maki 👀
Yes
@@sbthesage2100 your gonna have to use some rat ass arguments to get maki that high
Yeah Sakura is at minimum country level and almost six paths level
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj maki is high balled to light speed and her ap is booty
If you go by the anime, Lee was explicitly stated to master the 7th gate toward the end of Shippuden.
And also, he was stated by Guy himself, to surpass his teacher in physical stats much earlier in Shippuden, with him simply lacking his teacher’s skill and battle IQ.
So, that’d definitely altar the matchup, I think. Otherwise, solid video.
I don’t think it changes much, he gets speed blitzed without the 7th gate so I doubt that alone boosts it more than mid diff
Next video do Six paths Naruto vs Gear five luffy. Pretty please
Do you narutaly search the speed results or look in the manga chapter by chapter to see the speed how do you make all those calcs
sup bro love ya content even tho i dont agree wit sum of ya takes. i haven't scaled or debated in like a year but i would honestly PAY to see u and kruos debate
Idk who Kruos is but you can pay to have your video topics made by me
@@sbthesage2100 LMFAOOO shii maybe
Just watch sanji vs rock lee deathbattle you'll see🫡
Death battle is awful at scaling lmao
Mean while...... Oda-sensie and author of naruto watching all you're comments section, oda😂(laugh) the author of naruto 😂(laugh)
So yeah, eye-brawl (skylanders) can solo one piece in one attack. If we use blackout’s ult (blackhole SUPERNOVA) as an example of strength within a base skylander, with some calculations, that attack yields a kinetic energy output of 34 OCTILLION tons of TNT. And eye-brawl (a giant) is outright stated to be one of the strongest skylanders ever. And there are feats to back it up. He’s wrecked the arkeyan conquertron, fought his own eye for a *CENTURY,* threw statues around like it’s nothing and pulled islands with just a chain. That’s right, he did a lobo and lacked leverage.
How is any of this relevant to Rock Lee vs Sanji?
@@PandaDonGhe's calling all of the math stupid. Or just hates these types of debates
Is guy vs Sanji any different?
Even though Sanji is mutli solar MFTL+ W video
Get that shit out of my comments Jozu 😂😂😂
Love how Naruto fans are against One Piece using calcs because it makes no sense in physics... but will casually sit there and say Naruto Bijuu mode is Massively FTL 😂😂.. that's just as absurd.
Did i hear blitz?
Lee still should have won against gaara
Bruh scale rock Lee of feats and scaled Sanji of characters if he does the same for lee Sanji stands no chance
Bro says doffy ~=jack~=queen~=king💀💀💀
Jack > Doffy
Your sanji speed scaling is a bit off and low balled but other than that this was a good video
This is dumb. You just said Lee surpassed war arc guy who almost killed 6 paths madara. 6 paths madara solos the one piece verse😭 so if Lee is stronger then guy he wins. It’s simple. Sanji does not one shot
I literally said he’s not as strong as guy goofy
Speed
Sanji with ifrit jamble becam invisible that happen when someone broke through sound barrier and surpass speed(he did at age 21)
And Lee did in age 14 with inner gates
At age 20 he broke metoride in half by kick
Lee had potential and ability to defat Sanji but
Sanji get stronger time to time and Lee getting nerfed time to time
If lee grow as same as in Shippuden he can be by seeing his performance in Boruto it was difficult
8gates is top strong don't forget it bend time and space when guy use even kaido can't handle
Overall ,I think Sanji takes bcz Lee got nerfed
They are all fighting
Oda-sensie..... They have devil fruit (comment comment no mi)
Author of Naruto..... They use comment jutsu technice
if he masterd the 8 gates why would the 8th gate be an exception
Did you watch the video? Cuz I'm sure he alr stated that it isn't confirmed that lee alr mastered the 7th or even the 8th gate.
Because he was consisted a master of the 8 gates even when he couldn’t only do 5 ? The 8 inner gates does not mean all 8 inner gates so without proof there’s no reason to assume he can open all 8 gates
@@sbthesage2100 when its stated he is master of 8 inner gates even tho he can't open even 5?
W
This guy is downplaying lee soo much wtf
sanji*
Sanji would not Blitz Lee. If you believe Sanji beats Lee fair enough. But Lee can percieve 8 gates Gai and JuubiJin Madara. Also Lee and Gai caught Haku while he was moving from one of his mirrors.
Gai bodies Sanji, though. In 7th gate. No less.
Sanji is faster than light by a lot. Guy even in 8th gate is not confirmed to be light speed.
Sanji with his superior speed and observation haki easily win since guy lack speed to hit Sanji.
Prove egghead Sanji saving Edison and bonny.
Sanji vs Guy
Pretty Decently good scaling 👍
Tho lee can open 8th gate as people who can open 7th can Automatically open 8th who lee shown to be able to open in naruto wedding arc
And if we go by statements lee can negs sanji but feat wise sanji negs
Lmao no it’s not you made that up he’s never seen opening gate 7
@@sbthesage2100 🙄 maybe
I said cuz its stated narutopedia
@@UNKNOWN-xf9nkno, you said statements, not specifically where
@@teenymite8358 boruto naruto the movie novel
Yeah uh thats the future they did it in the past
Actually no,Lee is comparable in speed to might guy,who was casually able to hit Madara in the 7th gate,he was also keeping up with Minato who can keep up with 6 paths Naruto,6 paths Naruto can keep up with Kaguyas Chakra manipulation Wich moves at 120 sextillion × the speed of light as it traveled the entire universe in an instant cause Kaguyas dimension is on a completely seperate plain of existence than the original Naruto dimension
In short Lee speed blitzes
Sanji out speed laser that light speed laser by cover distance between 3 large building in same time laser travelled few meters. And then save other characters from point blank range from light speed attack. Proving even in base he is lot faster than light. Then he have two power up to multiply that as well.
In term of speed lee or even guy is not comparable. Guy best speed feat by assumption is light speed at best.
Also your explanation did not make any sense.
Stop tittling the videos not close please 🙏cus some have to be close or why else would u be making the vid although it gets veiws so i see why u do it
Although ofc this one wasn't close 😂
@@ocbmega1011 Its because people think its close and so he debunks the claims
I think the evidence you stated in the video is more than enough to assume that Lee has mastered the 8 gates as in all 8 gates.
He said that lee mastered the technique as a whole, meaning he COULD use them all but isn’t a master at the last two, plus it doesn’t really change all that much anyways
@kleb1e I watched the video dude, I don't think that's a fair assumption and I believe it changes a lot
Bro I'm sorry you can't use Newtons 3rd law to justify durability in anime. Not when you have aliens getting hurt by kunai and defeated by rasengans. There's so many more examples I can use to prove that. I bet if you calc Rock Lee from part 1 against Gaara that won't even hold up. You can scale that Gaara to Kimimaru and the force of his sand pulverization should be far beyond that to take out Lee if that was the case.
Yes you can lmao idk why you can’t you didn’t explain and the “aliens” getting hurt by kunai and Rasengan doesn’t mean you can bc super chakra enhanced ninja can that’s laughably dumb also while I agree lees durability isint large moutain level at all times in the moment he uses punches and kicks he does tho his durability can degrade slowly but so will his AP simple
EOS Sanji can high-extreme diffs 6th/7th gate guy
Gate of death Guy straight up no-mid diffs Sanji EOS a maybe High diff
Didnt base lee react to haku
😅😅 he got blitz by sound ninjas
@@imtunchi that was in part 1. In the war arc he was reacting to haku and in the novels, jonin at much lesser levels are capable of light speed feats.
@@MeteorTribe lee wasn't even fighting haku 😭😭 in the war bro it was kakashi sai and some people
@@imtunchi theres panels of him dodging haku using his light speed technique. My argument isnt that they fought, its that he reacted.
@@MeteorTribe what panels bro?? Also haku moves at light speed not his attack move at light speed
Wouldn't Sanji's AP be higher? He scales well above Dressrosa G4
By how much Is the question tho I don’t usually like to state stuff that isint definitive or unquantifiable
Plus kaido straight up said doffy is weak while Jack is strong
Never even seen this can you tell me the chapter pls
@@sbthesage2100 he said Jack wasn't weak shortly before fighting the scabbards himself and said doffy was weak while drunk crying
@@sbthesage2100 the beast pirates are a meritocracy by King meaning Queen is actually stronger than Jack
Thats horrendous downplay for Sanji, since current Sanji is massively stronger then Dressrosa Luffy who defeated Don Chinjao in base, someone who in his prime split an ice continent in half with 1 attack. So base Luffy would already have country lvl ap, and gear 2nd increases his strength and speed by tenfold from databooks, and gear 4th 4x times on top of gear 2nd taking doflamingos statement, Luffy in gear 4th would already have continental ap, and that gear 4th dressrosa luffy was surpassed by base wci luffy when he surpassed his limits, and THAT luffy in gear 4th is weaker then sanji who blitzed and absolutely demolished queen, also that speed was also heavily downplayed, since sanji would easily be mftl to mftl+, just shows how unfair this matchup is.
Why does Luffy beating older weaker chinjao scale him to prime chinjao are you slow lmao also his continent split is calced at island level the gear 2 being a 10x multipler is a mistranslation in the French data book the raw scans say nothing about a 10x amp gear 4 is not speed multipler Doffy specifically says power you’re pulling speed out of your butt lmao
@@sbthesage2100 Beatíng old don chinjao means he is atleast country in base, i didnt say he is continental in base, also luffy already was ftl in return to sabaody arc, so him rn being mftl to mftl+ is not crazy with all those amps, also his continent split is calced at continent BECAUSE ITS A CONTINENT, also that gear 2nd isnt mistranslation, idk where you came up with that, and have you seen how gear 4th luffy started to blitz doffy badly? its a speed mutliplier, and even with your horrendous downplay, its still might not be true because the one piece planet is much bigger then our earth, there are calcs where it says its as big as a dwarf star, or just 5x bigger then earth.
@@sbthesage2100 Sai is confirmed continental by Chinjao himself and that guy was fighting not doflamingo but an executive :///. Luffy is way past continental even at dressrosa.
Also who lied to you and told you that splitting an entire continents worth of insanely durable Ice that cant even be so much as scratched is island level. Bro that doesnt even make sense saying it out loud 💀
@@xdrago1051 One piece characters are honestly built different. Even if we say Sai is stronger than third gear Luffy(somehow), he's weaker than Dressrosa 4th gear Luffy who can destroy Doflamingo's strongest strings. Of course, One Piece is one of the most downplayed verses. Luffy's been ftl since the foxy arc because Luffy dodged multiple photons at point blank range. Sure, some may say this isn't lightspeed for whatever reason, but those same people will say base naruto is mtfl because he did the EXACT SAME THING in the light novel. Charlotte Mont Dor also created multiple universes that were stated to span infinitely, but that's more of a hax ability. However if this was any other anime other than One Piece, it would be seen as multiversal feat, and anyone stronger than him would be calced at multiversal because creating multiple universes= multiversal ap.
Not accusing the creator of this vid of anything, but in general, there is a double standard when it comes to scaling One Piece. Whitebeard is stated to be able to destroy the world by four different sources by shifting tectonic plates which implies more than just society. The fact that Sengoku and Tsuru who were a part of Whitebeards Era said even moving to the other side of the world wouldn't defend you from his power. This isn't talking about influence either as a devil fruit obviously doesn't have influence. Even with all this proof, it's still just hyperbole. Meanwhile one databook known for overexaggerating says Kuruma can turn the world to ashes, and this is 100% fact. See the hypocrisy here? I don't doubt that high tier naruto characters have planet level ap, but nobody in Naruto has the DC to destroy a planet. AlI i'm saying is I think it's time we accept that One Piece characters are more than island level and hypersonic. Again, i'm not accusing the creator of the vid of anything.
@@xdrago1051 I thought I replied but I guess I didn't. Anyway, it's probably because neither of us have a narrative. I'm not trying to prove Luffy solos fiction because quite frankly, I don't care. He's just factually underestimated as people ignore stuff from the author himself but try to make other verses universal through fake translations.
I understand the idea of creation feats being scalable to ap, but that usually isn't applicable to anime. Maybe you could argue this for dbz, but Chakra doesn't work like that. Naruto from the very beginning had a higher Chakra pool than most people, but he was still getting cut by Kunai's. Even if Kaguya had enough Chakra to create a Universe, you'd have to prove she has a technique with that level of power that could be used in a combat setting. Chakra doesn't scale to ap or the strength of punches like ki does. Naruto is about techniques instead of physical strength. Even if a character in Naruto can blow up a forest, they likely would be killed by the same explosion. The majority of Naruto characters can be cut by Kunais. The fact that Sakura can damage Kaguya implies her durability isn't that powerful. This isn't inconsistent either. Kinshiki was defeated by low level kage, and Urashiki lost to kid Naruto and Boruto. These guys aren't some universal eldritch Gods like the fandom wants to portray them as.
"When true power is concentrated onto a single point, it causes no unnecessary destruction!" - Bon Clay. Bon Clay kicked a hole into a wall without causing any cracks, yet he was obviously way above wall level. Bajrang Gun being only island level is the stupidest. downplay. I can understand some downplaying sometimes, but legit the only way you believe this is 1. you aren't caught up in One Piece or 2. You don't watch One Piece. King Kong Gun alone wasn't much bigger than an Elephant Gun yet it folded a city by punching a human into it. Post Udon Training Luffy's base is stronger than Whole Cake Gear 4 who had a n armament haki buff which is unquantifiable but should be atleast a little stronger than it was before.
Some people think Luffy was only hurting Kaido because of Durability Negation, but this same Luffy was able to not be oneshot by Hybrid Kaido granted. Now he took a lot of damage, but that's better than previous gear 4. He even blocked an attack with a ton of effort. Conquerors Haki is another reset. Gear 5 > Gear 4 Conquerors Haki Infusion > Base Conquerors Haki Infusion > Gear 4 Advanced Armament Haki > Base Advanced Armament Haki > Post Whole Cake Gear 4 Bounceman > Dressrosa Gear 4 Bounceman. Even ignoring Chinjao's continental feat, saying Luffy is only island level is blatant downplay.
Great video but lets be honest here, Kaido saying King, Queen and Jack are all on the same level is just blatantly wrong. King > Queen & Jack i might be high balling it here but Queen and especially Jack were pretty underwhelming to me.
There’s just no indication that king is anything but marginally stronger than jack and Queen sorry
@@sbthesage2100 i know theres no indication but King just had a better showing than the other two, looking back on it Queen isn't trash but his personality and being overly cocky is what mainly holds him down so i guess ill let Queen slide but im pretty sure everyone can agree that Jack is clearly lacking behind both of them.
@@crazyelementalguy9649 what is kings better performance other than being more durable lol
@@sbthesage2100 Well durability does play a big part in that but mainly talking about how long he was able to last while also the people he fought like Zoro and Sanji/Marco for the small time that he did, while also the attacks that he showed off in the fight vs Zoro looked pretty cool and some even look like it can cause huge AOE damage. And i get the reason why he also has better performance is because hes the right hand but it still looked more impressive.
But i wont downplay Queens Durability which was insane considering how much he was able to tank from Sanji but besides that Sanji pretty much dog walked Queen for alot of there fight but the mech-cyborg aspect of Queen was still pretty cool.
Jack was struggling against the scabbards which if it were Queen or King instead of Jack they would have gotten the job done easier, Jacks Zoan is also pretty bad and only really serves for more Durability.
8th gate no weights negs black leg Sanji
Of course it ain’t close. Thanks to Kishimoto’s neglecting ass when it comes to side characters screen times and feats.
I admit my saltiness cuz Lee is among my top 3 favorite characters
Neji and Lee getting no development in part 2 is such a fumble but when you do your research you’ll realize their arcs are completed in part 1 which is why they’re underwhelming in part 2 hell Lee was even supposed to die
@@sbthesage2100yeah they both were supposed to die in part 1 but someone told him not too so they had nothing to do in part 2
lets be real, sanji low diffs naruto
Agree with the outcome but your scaling in every video is so...weird. Like why are you scaling Lee through the metorite scene since that requires you to assume that all of them are equal which is highly unlikely. Why upscale Queen from Doffy instead of upscaling from Inurashi/Nekomamushi or Jimbei and Who's Who or scaling around Marco and King?
If anything the only bad assumption was the lowball on Lee’s AP which is the best scaling for Lee so idk what you’re talking about and why would I upscale Queen from charcters with no calculable feats that are impressive?
Also just bc my scaling dosent match yours doesn’t make it weird your scaling is probably hella fallacious lmao
@sbthesage2100 Jesus christ dude did I strike a nerve or smth? 💀
@@sayianman1361 nah
I was tinking your gonna be biased but wow you didnt
Even though you're right Sanji still sucks
but the eight gates are better than kaioken, not the same.
Nah. 8 gates only has 8 forms.
Kaioken can go on forever. The only thing stopping Goku from doing that his, the staring on his body. You seriously wanna say a power that can increase strength times 100000 is worse than a transformation that turns you into a glass cannon?
@@NameHere2856 no sawgkage, who powerscales naruto and Dragonball made a video of kaioken vs 8 gates and he said 8 gates is better
@CompositeAMVsSupreme-ke6mo no wonder he said it was better. His name is swagkage. A naruto fan. You need an unbiased opinion. I think both anime are sub par so I am not biased.
@@NameHere2856 no its a powerscale, he went though what each does and how each work, maybe you should see the video and not just assume what happened.
@CompositeAMVsSupreme-ke6mo I've watched him and still do. It doesn't matter if he's a powerscaler. I can't trust a naruto fan to correctly powescale against DragonBall.
Lee smokes sanji
We just forgeting how naruto works in that all of the younger generation is always stronger than the previous? We should be scaling guy as a minimum for current lees capability. Considering the current kage are all capable of trading with momoshiki level opponents this would be where lee starts the fight with no or only 1 to 3 gates open in terms of physical ability.
Odds are lee at 7 gates will be as strong or stronger than 8 gates guy.
So why didn’t the previous gen surpass hashirama and madara what a dumb argument lol
@@sbthesage2100 What do you mean madara and hashi was surpassed by naruto and sasuke and the 4th the people they were tied to narrativley as reincarnations/family.
Sanji is much faster and kicks much harder. It's low diff for sanji sorry, without even counting his exoskeleton flames DJ EJ.
Surprised he didn't try get lee to win but he really couldn't. Probably because ppl saod biased
Lmao why do I care what people think I know im not biased there are videos where Naruto characters win and videos where they lose I’m not trying to get one series over the other that’s just dumb
@@sbthesage2100 ok, I don't know why you made this video since it's a clear one sided win. I'm just guessing I wouldn't know why you made the video
@@silvertongue.242_99 it's because of a comment
@@silvertongue.242_99comments and I know many people underrate one piece power scaling. Believe it or not, many people actually believe that rock lee is even remotely close to sanji in power level which is just untrue. You’d be surprised about the crazy stuff I see when people compare naruto to one piece🤦🏽♂️
@@silvertongue.242_99 cause I wanted to ? Wtf 😭 this is so brain dead
It’s not that it’s not close it’s just stupid to compare characters from different anime cause they have different power systems so it’s just not fair in my opinion for example a one piece character can defend them selves with haki and haki is pretty broken but Naruto characters are way more vulnerable
And Sanji being the third strongest is very debatable by the way so I hate when people use it as a fact
...are you new to the world of powerscaling ? Cuz comparing characters from different games, anime, comics, etc is the most common thing people do
@@star-rock6466
Don’t insult me like that how tf I’m I new ? I’ve been watching one piece probably before you even hit puberty kid Of course I know this shit I’m just saying my opinion don’t just assume things
I just still think it’s stupid specially goko vs Saitama is the stupidest one
sanji being the third strongest is literally a fact where was it ever stated otherwise
Also yea, sanji is the third strongest straw hats, how the hell is this debatable
@@yo-kaikid1925
It was never stated he’s the third strongest it was always ambiguous wether he’s equal to zoro in strength or not
If you don’t have a source to Sanji being third strongest from Oda then just stfu
How do you have calcs for one piece but not for Naruto that's one-sided an lee is stronger then Sanji this is cap
I have a Lee calc for AP and his best speed scaling is to the laser circus what are you chatting about
Salty Naruto Stan incoming
Sanji Low diffs lee
@@sbthesage2100 ok but your talking about Sanji is calc at 5x the speed of light how do you know that it's not specifically stated so how you make a scale for Sanji but not for lee
Just some question you said sanji moves 6 times faster than light and lee so how can he be FTL+ cuz you have to move 10x faster than light to be FTL+
Also i disagree with lee FTL speed cuz darui attack was never stated to be light speed but rays of light tho its still count as light speed but debunk by the fact that its move in a curve motion and said to manipulate lightning
Also why assume that other are equal to lee in AP also lee is the only one shown to be punching the meteor
Tho it doesn't change the fact that sanji is stronger just saying
Tho if we take the statement from boruto naruto the movie novel where its said lee is someone who contend with characters like momoshiki than he stomp like no joke
Also lee have open 8 gates cuz being able to open 7th gate automatically means you can open 8th gate which he did in naruto episode 495
Daruis laser circus is stated to move at light speed I even provided a scan also and bending dosent matter that’s not one of the light speed disqualifiers and I said the other gates users were equal in AP bc they put in work and I wanted a safe estimate also where is it ever stated going gate 7 means you can go gate 8 and last thing is Lee never goes 7th gate in episode 495 + 495 is not cannon
@@sbthesage2100 no you provided a scan where its said ray of light not speed of light
And not traveling in straight lines is direct criteria from vsbw which show a beam is NOT real light aka not light speed
And also its actually is stated being able to open seventh gate means you can easily go to the 8th gate which takes your life as minato stated guy master the 8 inner gate even tho he was only using 7th gate of death while its stated at the same time lee hasn't mastered it even tho he can use 6th gate and no its not talking skill wise cuz minato stated that only after seeing them open gates and not by their performance
As also their is no other way of knowing if you can actually open 8th gate without trying
@@itachi-weasel I concede on the sol light point and can you link the chapter to this statement is made ? About the 7th and 8th gate
@@itachi-weasel I don’t get this last part it’s very in cohesive
@@sbthesage2100 well RUclips is hostiles to link
So i will just give the chapter and page no.
Chapter 667 page 11 and chapter 669 page 13
If Lee got the development, he deserves like maybe him attacking isikki causing him to bleed and having a decent fight before getting defeated, he would destroy sanji but here he looses
U did good in scaling one piece characters this time but when u did 5 kage vs 4 emperors u extemly lowballed u even still lowballed sanji, luffy zoro n sanji all been faster than light pre time skip
No they aren’t the videos you’re watching have terrible scaling
Brother you are so wrong about rock lee…. You are literally saying that lee hasn’t mastered all 8 gates by now just cause he has never shown to use them the same lee who opened 5th gate as a kid in which kakashi stated that even he struggled to do and I really don’t think Sanjis advanced observation haki will do him any good even sasuke with just one tomoe sharingan had pre-cong better than any Observation haki user and still he lost to lee …even in his 6th gate lee completely overpowered 4tailed naruto and 4tailed naruto was someone who managed to defeat orochimaru…..
Lmfaooooo Lee can’t open the 8 gates period cope and 5th gate Lee beating up 4 tails Naruto is filler
@@sbthesage2100 brother his own son said that he has mastered all 8gates and if you have read novels you would know that lee is the leader of an foundation called the sucide squad and each member of this squad is able to open at least 6th gate and obviously lee has trained them and we know how persistent he is with all things in mind there is more reasons to believe that lee has mastered all the gates than not to believe it…plus those episode’s were canon as it was shown that kabuto was in his testing phase of his reanimated characters, those episodes were attached to the main story of naruto shippuden hence it’s canon….and if you are talking about speed than you should know that even in Og naruto lee in his base form was able to dodge multiple lightning strike coming from his blind spot……. And you know as well as I know that the observation haki luffy’s crew has is no better than kid 1 tomoe sharingan and lee still beat him without going all out…..
@@sbthesage2100 only if you had read novels than you would have known that any op character is no where near the level of top level character in naruto….in the novel when Mitsuki was in danger during a mission sasuke literally froze the whole ocean in an instant, naruto while being on verge of death and wasn’t able to use even a drop of his chakara due to an illness dodged multiple photon beams at point blank range…kakashi during his mission vaporised the water wall which was big enough to drown whole nation and kakashi vaporised it 3 times and that’s after he fought for whole 2 days…..Sakura once battled multiple 9 tails jinjurikis she even took the biju bimb head on got her whole stomach torn off and she still was able to defeat the nine tails jinjuriki….that’s not all there are multiple feats ………you see all the op fans get hyped up when luffy learned royku which can damage his opponents inside out but they forget that even in Og Naruto base naruto with his simple rasengan can damage the opponent inside out….
@@sbthesage2100 in the anime, due to Lee's extensive training, he has shown to be able to run and fight even while unconscious or asleep, using nothing but pure muscle memory. As an adult, Lee is considered to be one of Konoha's best taijutsu users.
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj this proves nothing you’re genuinely rating his son dosent know anything about the gates and you saying he’s persistent dosent prove he can open up past gate 6
R.i.p lee
Space doesn't bend, but objects inside space attracts other objects inside space. Every piece of mass, or matter are probably accelerating towards light speed. Every piece of mass, or matter down to the smallest sub atomic particles, could have an internal components that equals V=C, hence the vacuum speed of light.
ah yes, Lee one shots sanji IF he has the space bending move that guy used against Madara and IF it lands on sanji
Night guy move
dead lee
This is the worst scaling I ever seen
Care to give reasoning ?
i mean its not good scaling but its definitely not the worst. Ive seen someone say G5 Luffys Bajrang Gun is island level in AP because his fist is "only" the size of an island LMFAO
@@xdrago1051 what makes it bad is my question?
@@sbthesage2100your speed scaling for sanji is off considering he would up scale from pts luffy and zoro zoro having light speed reaction feats with his fight with kuma also luffy effortlessly dodging light beams sanji is definitely alot faster than what you Scaled him to be
I'm not hater I like power scaling cuz I like mathematics and time behind, but I'm have call you out on the durability. You said 2:40 sorry that's not how newton's third law works. I can tell you read third law but didn't fully understand. Let's just say this by your mathematics you saying if a human with a gun for a hand can shoot 9mm and also receive 9mm shots to the chest and be fine because newton's third law can scale there attack = durability.
I do understand Newton’s third law why are you equating sanji’s kicks to a gun lmao it’s literally just his leg he has to tank the counter force that his leg puts out or his body would collapse and be destroyed you’re clearly the one who dosent know how Newton’s third law works
yes lee saying he master the eight gates mean he can't use all of them so he didn't master them. so your wrong might guy got the eight gates but didn't use it till he had no other choice. the series shows us lee growth he was likely 12 when he met guy and in 5 years he unlock 6 gates with rock lee never stopped training after the war no reason he doesn't learn all eight.
you are the worse naruto powerscaler i have ever seen because you serious on low balling the verse.
i use the context on lee and how his unlocks of the gates were and he 100% unlocks them all.
i can say every gate is a 12x multiplier given they are dozens of times with the eight gates being 100x.
i'll take your lowball of 500 megatons multiple it by 12 to get 6 gigatons.
then the 100x multiple of eight gates to get 600 gigatons. this is the lowball. it up to you to prove the multipliers i used wrong.
oh and his speed would be 1200xmftl+ also a lowball but a fair one. even if 8 gates only a 12x his ap would be 72 gigatons and his speed 144xftl+.
oh and in the novelization of the boruto movie naruto says lee would be of help in the fight. not only because he uses zero ninjutsu but he also not be a hinder to him meaning to naruto rock lee could hurt momoshiki and/or kinshiki not to far out given naruto and sasuke at full power can dog walk momoshiki and kinshiki.
so to be honest rock lee in boruto would be star level and mftl+ while using the gates.
There is literally 0 definitive evidence of Lee mastering all 8 gates cope guy being able to open all 8 and knowing he could means jack shit since we know you can know 2 3 4 or even 5 gates and still be considered a master of the 8 techniques pls stfu also 8 gates is only a multipler in strength not speed read the dozens of times statement again pls says strength nothing about speed
So much head canon on your part. He stated we have literally no proof Lee can open the 7th or 8th gate. Even if he wouldn't use 8th to kill himself, 7th gate is still possible
Not even trying to call u stupid or anything, just seriously curious to know where you got 12x multiplier from, and y did u just assume rock lee knows the 8th gate. Even still he will be very inexperienced and who knows if it’s even close to might guys power lvl.
@@avoidgel1685 & gates are stated to be a dozens of times amp
well by this logic sanji has advanced observation and can see the future since thats his strongest form of haki and was shown to be able to dodge an attack that was using future sight so he still wins
Lmao no
Also, Sanji always scales very close to Zoro.
A lot of Zoro's feats could probably be applied to Sanji too. Though, Sanji is a little weaker.
Like in Stampede, when Zoro cut a meteor in half. If Zoro could do it, Sanji could kick it and break it too.
Honestly I don't see Zoro as any stronger.
Sanji fights weaker opponents but he struggles significantly less.
Also the only thing I see Zoro beating Sanji in is strength and endurance.
They have different aspects of them that make them even.
Sanji's speed makes his kicks just as strong as Zoro's attacks.
Also since Current Sanji>>Stampede Zoro, Sanji would easily destroy the meteor.
Not a Sanji vs Zoro debate. Just claiming they have different aspects that make them equals.
Rock Lee is fodder, he isn’t beating anyone. Even in all of Naruto the only fight he won that comes to mind was against a clone of himself.