Ferrari's heroic failure with its special Monza F1 upgrades explained
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Ferrari gave it everything for its home grand prix at Monza. It went aggressive with its set up choices, put fresh engines in both cars, and at a track that was always going to play to its car’s limited set of strengths, it did all it could to maximise those traits, hoping its gamble might be enough to upset Red Bull.
While the result may have felt inevitable even on Saturday afternoon when Carlos Sainz beat Max Verstappen to pole, Ferrari put up as much of a fight as could have been expected - giving the tifosi plenty to cheer for in a season where that has rarely been the case.
00:00 Putting up a fight
04:21 Why was Ferrari so strong?
06:53 Signs of hope
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Fair play to Ferrari. They made it a good race
And only ones to keep redbull behind for more than 10 laps 👏
Sainz rising.
Between themselves!
@@valenesco45max was playing with them 😂
100%
I would not say, Ferrari failed.
Considering Redbull is crazy fast, them being 3rd and 4th is essentially 1st and 2nd.
Considering they did not screw up the pitstops is also a good thing.
Ave they learned how to upholster a cocked and locked pistol? Only time will tell. They are running out of toes.
Yea, this is one of those rare occasions where ferrari didn't make a mistake
that comma coveys an odd contradiction.
Ferrari aren't spending hundreds of millions a year to come in 2nd
@@RoeShamBoe well, they need to fix the team first then the car
I just have to say how nice it was to see Carlos and Charles happy after the race, it’s good to know they aren’t totally dead inside even though it looks like it most weekends
that's just the narrative you guys fall for that's set by the media and memes
@@user-tr1hx7jx4rwhat are you talking about, leclerc literally said that he hadn’t had that much fun racing in a long time
@@andreaferrari26he meant wheel to wheel
I'm glad Ferrari was able to make it as interesting as they could. Monza's usually a bit of a snoozer (at least in F1) but this year was actually properly exciting. Shoutout to Sainz and Albon for giving us some great defensive performances.
It was more just a painful kind of nailbiter where you're waiting for the moment sainz's tires get shredded enough for max to breeze past him
2022 was good,
2021 was great,
2020 was a great,
2019 was a classic
2018 was good,
And 2017 was again good
I think monza always produces magic
@@steng.karlsen2662 Same with Zandvoort. Every race since its return has been very interesting but people always complain. And the track itself is cool as heck with all the banked corners. These "F1 fans" are weird..
@@steng.karlsen2662 Don't forget one of the best of all time in 2008!
No podium Albon was decent. Perez vs Sainz was good.
I definitely won’t calling it “a failure”, it’s the Scuderia’s best performance so far this season. The car was fast all weekend, Carlos and Charles were the only two that can gave two bulls a good run for their money. Yes the RB19 is still superior and Max seems like he’s immune to any type of curse. But compared to the Dutch GP, Ferrari improved quite a lot not. If they can keep this momentum going, maybe that second place in the constructor championship is a valid goal.
Great driving from both Sainz and Leclerc, and Ferrari didn't screw anything up. Good race for them.
I thought that their defences against Perez were a bit over the top, Leclerc pushed him off and Sainz was waving in the straight a lot, still amazing drives and im glad it wasn't decided on the table, but FIA is too irregular with their penalties
nah checo was just slow af as usual - if he was a better driver, he could have overtaken in other areas of the track instead of waiting for that mini chicane where it's very difficult.@@santiagooehler
almost every overtake were done in the first corner or third, Leclerc pushed him off in the third curve, he did the same to Hamilton in 2019@@tanyaghosh2277
Nothing stops Verstappen, no jinx, no fresh Ferrari engines, no Sainz heroics, nothing. Absolute machine of a driver, and an amazing team behind him as well. Well deserved, we've witnessed history!
At the rate it's going we might see a perfect season.
Even Perez managed to defeat the upgraded Ferraris. 😂
@@isaacm2374Ferrari has limit 😔
@@isaacm2374a d it wasn't even close, as Pérez passed Sainz he put some distance quickly
REDBULL HAVE GOT IT GOOD NOW IT WON'T ALWAYS LAST SO MAKE THE BEST OF IT
This is one of Ferraris best races I’ve ever seen. No big mistake and the first time we actually saw RB tested all year
They did all they could considering fighting with Red Bull, it made this one of the better races of this season
Not a failure in my opinion
Well, on this track Ferrari were in a different league than Merc/McLaren/Aston. Problem is Red Bull were in a different league than Ferrari.
Maranello has to solve their tire degradation issues if they want any shot in 2024. They've got performance over one lap but it eats the tires for breakfast and isn't the early 2000s where they can simply ask Bridgestone to give them rubber that suits their car characteristics.
Which is strange because the 499p Le mans car has the exact opposite issue, which was desighned by alot if ex F1 engineers
Tyre deg was only an issue 'cause Sainz was trying to fight the RBs. If they raced their own race and looked after their tyres, they would've finished a comfortable 3-4 anyway. So, I think they've fixed their tyre issues
@@dylantarbotonits not a big issue anymore, but their tyre deg is still worse than redbull
I don't think tyre deg is a huge problem anymore. The problem is that RB's tyre deg is unbeatable because of aero
Aerodynamics are for people that cant build engines am i right
I wouldn't call them a failure. They put up a fight though.
They fought each other and almost crashed. I’d call that idiotic, but hey that’s just me.
When Carlos got pole my exacts words were, "good, we'll get to see them figure out how lose that tomorrow"
@@jaimealvarez4722 I'm sure no one in their mind thought; Ferrari was gonna win the race. But to call them a failure, frankly sounds insulting and demeaning.
@@hueyfreeman7810 insulting and demeaning? You think Ferrari gives a sh*t about what this channel's opinions are? Sounds like you are the one being butthurt about it.
Honestly, good on them for not only putting up a fight, but not committing a strategy blunder. I know over the year's we have kind of lowered the bar for Ferrari, but I would like to start raising it again. I'm happy that this race gave us some proper battles in front of the home crowd as well.
Competing at Monza isn't really representative of most of the season. I'd expect Merc, McLaren and maybe even AM to beat the
Ferrari's at the next race.
I’m a Max fan, and I was surprised by the pace of Ferrari. They were all around fast. Not as quick as the Red Bulls, but it was fun watching Max and Checo struggle to get around the Ferraris!
Fresh engine.
@@noabakker3848 The duality of Max fans
I genuinely wonder what makes people a fan of that dude
If you’re Dutch then it’s obvious but anyone else 🤔
He has the personality of a door hinge
@@caio5987DTS . These kids doesn't know even a single thing from 2020 or earlier. All they know is Max Costcappen.
@@aaronwestley3239TBF he was worst pre 2020. Always ruining others drivers race, no apologies no remorse.
This race actually showed us how difficult it is to even come close to beat the RB19 & Max. Carlos fought hard but Ferrari was at it's limit, nothing was left to give.
It was epic to see Sainz fight so hard, even when Leclerc came in they really wanted to show the Tifosi
As a Ferrari fan for over last 25 years, it was heartening to see Ferrari's performance. At least it was a clear number 2 and closer to RBR then ever in recent times. I hope they will do better in the remaining races and reclaim number 2 position in constructor's championship
It was most certainly not a failure. By the end of the race, it appeared to me that both the drivers (but not necessarily the pit wall) decided that if they couldn't bring the trophy home, they might as well put on a great show for the fans. 1000% great success!!!
Ferrari did well for being Ferrari. They gave it their all with slower cars. Can’t ask for more. Valiant effort.
Come on The Race! You guys are sensationalizing the whole thing. The upgrades worked. Ferrari got pole and were the 2nd fastest the whole weekend. The thing is that RedBull has produced a perfect car(if there is such a thing) this year. They are good in all types of circuits so far this season: high downforce, low downforce, twisty circuits, long straights, wet, dry, you name it. At this point, any team that comes second to RedBull is a big achievement. Even with RedBull's trick DRS, Max spent more than 10 laps behind the Ferrari.
IMO, Ferrari wasn't a failure
Kudos to the RB engineering team. Goes to show what a monster of a car that they've developed. And applause for Ferrari fully commiting by throwing everything and the kitchen sink in their bid to win at Monza.
It's all about tire management. It's not that other teams can't reach the lap times RB does. It's that RB can do it longer and more consistently.
Right, and that’s what’s so scary. You have one team whose package will perform better that others on a particular track but never a better overall package than RB
That's what she said
definitely not a heroic failure. That was an amazing race from both ferraris
Yeah not like they are racking up the 3rd and 4th places, they really beat the whole midfield / p3 contenders. Really good, and good pitstops. I almost think they were still on Plan A (but that is not true of course ;-) )
As a Hamilton fan, I’ll say that it feels max doesn’t get enough credit somehow. We will have to see but, he’s been basically a perfect driver since 2018
*2020. He still made silly mistakes in 18 and 19, but was pretty much the best driver in 20
@@dylanburston7453 idk man but for me, the last few years of Hamilton Mercedes domination, I remember thinking max is killing it now every single weekend. He just needs RB to pick it up
@@UTUBE3JC 2020 and 2021 was the year where it became clear the new generation (Max, Charles, Carlos and Lando and Russel) were the real deal. Max constantly mixed with the dominant merc and was only a few points behind bottas, Charles dragged that tractor to several podiums and scored 3 times the points of seb and Carlos and Lando were super consistent and George got that 2nd place in 2021
@@dylanburston7453I would replace Carlos with Albon.
@@MrDanMeman He would be my pick if Carlos leaves for Audi, but i wouldn't switch them if i had the option between the two.
Carlos and Charles are the best driver pairing on the grid and cover off each others weaknesses.
I hope more teams adopt Ferrari's approach. Even if Max wins all the remaining races, if the teams put up a fight rather than settle for second it makes for a wonderful spectacle.
03:20 It's crazy how tiny that Ferrari rear wing is. In itself and also when compared to Red Bull'
Ferrari didn’t fail. I think they’re finally getting their shit together. I hope they continue this momentum for the rest of the Season.
Hate to burst your bubble but they made all these changes solely for Monza hoping for the off chance they could steal the win from Red Bull. They have essentially given up on the SF 23
@@the1reef.243 Good. Its mid on a good day and it has split personality changing its mind on which tyre to shred each lap. Theonly saving grace is that its the best looking car on the grid and had a couple of innovative idead that Ferrari can hopefully implement on a actually decent car next yea.... i nearly said the forbidden words of any Ferrari fan. been burned to many times
@@dylanburston7453vasseur said that they will keep upgrading it by testing the stuff that will go on the 2024 car on the sf-23
@@the1reef.243 An improvement in Performance is still an improvement no matter the reasoning or increment.
@@KUROSHURA yes of course but I highly doubt this improvement of performance will show up at any other race aside from Monza. If they can prove me wrong then it would be better for the sport but considering the politics at Ferrari I just don’t see it happening
one thing that sticks out is Ferrari is still learning a ton about the car and is trying to get the chassis to a point where the drivers feel confident in what it can and can't do. RB has a car that seemly out performs every other chassis in almost every category. Combine that with Max's ability to keep tire wear low and it seems like no upgrade on any car will matter. RB is just that far ahead.
It was refreshing to have some action and a fight up front. Kudos to Ferrari
Clickbait or no clickbait, calling Ferrari’s performance a failure is a bit of a stretch.
IMO if the weather temp was around 15~18ºC the Ferrari strategy could have worked 🤔
I wouldn't call it a failure.
They made the RBs work a lot harder at their home.
Then an inter team battle for podium was just as exciting. Carlos fighting for life with those dead tyres shows how committed he was this weekend.
I'd say the fighting spirit and not the result was the true victory for Ferrari this weekend. This was the best Ferrari I've seen in recent time.
With all said, they'd probably screw their next race.
What is your opinion on whether Perez could have passed both Ferrari's, if Leclerc was in DRS range of Sainz the entire time? I thought it would have been smart if Sainz was ordered to slow down a bit on lap 31/32 since Leclerc was vulnerable to Perez as he was without DRS. Maybe could have been a double podium from Ferrari
I agree.
Also, before the first pit stop, they could have switched Sainz and Leclerc positions to use Leclerc tire advantage over Sainz. Sainz would have used DRS to stay in Leclerc DRS range and they would have saved seconds on Perez. (Perez was 3,5 second behind Leclerc at lap 17, he was in Leclerc DRS zone 2 laps later when Sainz pitted).
By racing 100% as a team they could have gotten at least one car in second position (it was not sure but the fight would have been closer)
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Two new power units turned up to 11 to get 3rd and 4th
I really like this from Ferrari, I’m not a huge fan of them but giving it absolutely everything they had at monza and giving the fans a show
They really performed so much so they were by far the best of the rest. They had a plan and the plan materialized. Realistically, they were never going to win the race, but they absolutely maximized everything they had in the SF-23. On top of that, Carlos drove extremely well both in qualifying as well as in the race. He defended his position against the Red Bulls like his life depended on it. They couldn't have performed any better under the circumstances when you are working with such a massively flawed car. Well done, Ferrari!
The FIA's hard cost cap has caused this current F1 dominance to happen -- teams can no longer spend money to catch up.
To fix it, the FIA should make 2 changes to the cost cap rules.
#1 Make the cost cap scale. The teams finishing higher get a smaller budget and the teams finishing lower get a bigger budget. (Like FIA already does for wind tunnel time.)
#2 Change the cost cap from a hard cap to a soft cap. That way if a big team wants to spend a lot of money above their cost cap limit to catch up to a rival team, then they can. But for doing so they will have to pay a large luxury fee for going over their cap. The luxury fee money is then equally given to all the other teams. (This would also help the smaller teams since they will receive some "free" money to help them in their own development.)
I’m glad Ferrari has a good understanding of why the car is working the way it is. Fingers crossed Ferrari take a big step forwards next season.
Some mid season testing would help, off cost cap.
Monza result is a boost for Ferrari to step up in development for remainder of the season
If Ferrari now understand the car then that puts them ahead of Mercedes and Aston Martin who are still confused with the behaviour on certain tracks.
Also I wouldn't say they failed: This year's RB is one of the greatest F1 cars ever to hit a track, the fact that Ferrari made RB work a bit for the win made them a success, even if they weren't in the running for the win.
Failure? look at the rest of the grid, it was a really good race for them, 15 laps at the first position? for 2023 that was amazing!
I'm curious how much of the total downforce is actually created from the wings and how much comes from the floor itself for each team and how much a weekend like Monza effects that balance
A big key for getting result on Monza is traction out of corners be it our of the slow corners or the parabolica but nobody talks about that. Wonder why?
Remember the mercedes domination years when they beat the previous red bull domination record? When only they won every race all year? When we knew from the first race which driver was going to win the WDC several years in a row?
When "an almost victory contender" means "finishing under 20 seconds down the road. Thats not normal for F1.
What this race showed is just how insanely good this RB car is at ANY track around the calendar.
Wouldn't call this a failure they did a tremendous job
For the absolute good of the sport, we need Ferrari to regain some of their latter day dominance over the next few years..
It is not a failure. It shows us what Ferrari should be. I hope they carry on this form through the rest of the year. Pity about the tire deg.
nice vid. Keep it up 👍
#3,#4 is a failure? They started the weekend 4th in the Constructors.
Nice vid as always🗿
Aw, come on, be fair. Ferrari downplayed any chances of a podium to global media before the start, and redbull were maclaren of the 80's dominant.
But we enjoyed one of the most exciting races of the year so far from front to back of the grid. And those side by side battles round curve grande, and a bit of hard but fair bumps and elbows up stuff? Awesome. And Sargent, piastri, lawson as rookies impressive against the experienced drivers, impressing teams and fans, Monza delivered a real old fashioned edge of the seat glittering Ruby of a race. One we should all remember during the newer glitzy, but often dull fly away races.
No team ever made this close to the RBs. So still congrats to the Ferraris.
failure? It was the best improvement done until now. Throw random words doesn't make sense regarding the truth.
Keep winning everything Max… refine what domination means for Toto. 😂
IT WON'T LAST FOREVER
@@philliptiestopl1511 Yeah but it's good while it lasts ...
Im sad they gave up on fighting once Verstappen passed Sainz, if they had stopped fighting each other they would've had a better shot of keeping P2 and probably would've been able to keep fighting Max, not each other. Entertainment, but definitely a bit defeatist isn't it?
I agree
It's funny how every team that comes second to Red Bull starts claiming 'we understand the car better now' and 'we're optimistic for the future' and 'we're going in the right direction' just for them to fall off at the next race.
That's why I am telling you Red Bull will be dominant until at least 2026. Because where the other teams are still figuring things out, Red Bull has already figured things out and are now just refining an already dominant car. So for the others to catch up they first have to close the current gap and then they need to find more time to close the gap Red Bull will have found for the next year. No team is going to close that gap in two years because if they want to close that gap they have to go above and beyond their A game. The package of Red Bull, Honda, Newey, Horner and last but not least Max is just too dominant. It's basically the dream team.
BY THAT TIME NO ONE WILL BE WATCHING F1 THEY WILL BE BORED
@@philliptiestopl1511You won't, I will. How are you even watching the sport?
Were you not bored from years of mercedes domination?
Bravo to Ferrari today, gave us some real entertainment.
In some parallel universe, Dad Schumacher leads the Ferrari team and Red Bull can't catch them
Finally! Ferrari learned how to manage their tyres and didn't screw a pitstop. And an astonishing drive from Carlos Sainz👏👏👏. First 15 laps was really exciting 😨😰🥵
Sainz drove beautifully. Many times it’s harder to defend than to attack
Charles tried really hard in the end to make it an embarrassing day for Ferrari but thankfully failed.
It could have been better if Charles had played the team game and had made Max & Check defend a bit. It would have extended Carlos' time in the lead.
They are faster at straights but slower in corners , they need to change suspension in order to have better downforce and maybe rear wing
The Ferrari duel to the finish will definitely be one of the eternally lasting highlights of this season
This is definitely not a failure. If Ferrari performs at this level for the rest of the season they can challenge for second place and with a good car, they can challenge for the championship in subsequent seasons.
Ferrari became the best of the rest in that event.. super impressed. Even the Merc suppose the 2nd best team can follow with Ferrari there..
This year has been super exciting. Aston doing well, Williams doing well, Mclaren doing well as well and now Ferrari. All the teams are stepping up and making it really competitive and exciting for us to watch.
Except p1 lol
RedBull has to work for it...
MAx was 3 seconds ahead after he passes carlos 2 laps. I'm starting to think max was driving behind him for reason-
1: Wearing out the rear tires of Carlos as a strategy.
2: ''do something Carlos *poke, I'm bored...''
its unfortunate that it will only be Monza, would be nice to see teams improving and getting closer and closer to RB.
Almost a victory? Were we watching the same race?
Ferrari did a great job and absolutely gave it their all for their home fans.
I think if Sainz didn't fight Max in the first laps he could have come in P2. He would have better managed tires better and could have teamed up with Charles to maximize use of tow and DRS to keep Sergio behind since we all saw he struggles with passing
I would personally like to thank the producers of the video for a great explanation of what was going on and why the Ferrari's were giving RB a good run for their money.
Thank you 😀
This race always was RedBull’s to loose. This year, being 15 laps in the lead against RB19 is like a victory. Finally some good fights for the lead. If you think it’s a failure, at least it gave me the best race of the year.
But isn't it awful that we judge their races at least partially (and that's quite a big part) by how much the team screws the race up? That _should_ be the easiest (relatively speaking) thing to fix. The crew know their jobs, one assumes, and their strategists on joining the team, undoubtedly have a good track record (pun not really intended). If the latter aren't so good, get some who are. That should be the cheapest "fix".
Were I at Ferrari, I'd be doing everything I could to recruit Lena Gade! She was behind a number of Le Mans wins with Audi (beating the team's other cars with equally talented drivers and crew, and when things were close), went to do a completely different job elsewhere for a couple of years, and then went to Indy and I believe she adapted really quickly and had success there. She's one of the most respected engineers who can adapt strategy on the fly, and that's according to a number of drivers I've heard talking about her, let alone the commentators who see her presence as being one major step towards winning.
I know that just because someone's good at one job, it doesn't mean automatic success in a similar but different one. But it's definitely worth a punt given how many times they've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory!
Having said that, the Charlies did Ferrari proud yesterday. Carlos managed to break this year's record of laps led (not including pitstop changes in the order as that's pretty artificial) by someone not called Max. Fourteen whole laps!
Still a little disappointed in Ferrari. I thought they could have used Leclerc to put more pressure on Verstappen to help Sainz defending or get him less pressure. Sure Leclerc was saving his tyres but I think they would have got the third place even with Leclerc tyres going off earlier. Also the fighting in Ferraris with each other was just silly, imo. They could as usual made a mess of a potential good result now it worked out but that somewhat tells me what state Ferrari is in at the moment. Confusion and lack of clear directions. In my view they should have as Sainz said just taken the cars over the finish line especially seeing the last effort from Leclerc with a massive lock up and Sainz defending waas a situation with potential mistakes.
SAINZ WAS INCREDIBLE🔥🔥🔥
Epic video..loved it👍
Is this the first race in 2 seasons where they didn't mess up the strategy? It will be remembered for that
I’m trying to get f1 race clips for my son’s school project. He wants to do a video essay on the Las Vegas race this year. How do people record the races? Are you getting your clips with a capture card or something, and just recording the race? What’s the best way to get the clips I want?
Ferrari gave Carlos an unnecessarily hard time in the closing stages of the race. They clearly have a favourite driver and he finished 4th. The look on Sainz face said it all when he came in.
I didnt see any failure, just two driver's pushing like crazy and enjoying themselves for the first time in a long time.
It was a very good race for Ferrari but they could've held up Checo I guess, if Carlos had let pass Charles through and worked as a train, like Daniel and Lando did two years ago
i have to say carlos is one of the greatest position defender of the current drivers he defended like a god against the rocket ships of redbull and his teammate he did the same in austria
If making Max “work” by trailing Sainz for 15 laps, and only because of Sainzs’ questionable defense, which both Charles and Sainz agreed in post race interview that they were pushing the rules with swerving in breaking zones, is laughable. They clearly got home race favor from Stewards in attempt to keep the race close. Yes, it was an enjoyable race but any talk of Ferrari making Max work must be prefaced with questionable defense tactics.
The Ferrari comments about monza somewhat remind me of the Mercedes comments about Brazil last year.
people say Red Bull have the fastest car, but the more you look into the team, the more you see that's not really that true... Redbull can have 10 weak spots, and 1 strong one, and they will work into using that 1 strong point to balance it out, this goes not just to car development, but to strategies and driver management, and Ferrari need to learn from that... they need to look at numbers and what they need to do to take the best out of the situation, and they are not doing that at most cases
Ferrari and Mercedes engineers could not match the experience and skills of Adrian Newey in designing a ground effects race car
NEXT YEAR IS OUR YEAR (Repeat) - Ferrari
What happened to the Ferrari in the race was to be expected. The setup of an f1 car is a compromise. It's a bit like a blanket that's too short and every time you pull it to
cover your feet, your head comes off and vice versa. It was clear that Ferrari had bet everything on top speed and that they would end up paying the bill, as they did. At the end of a handful of laps, it was already clear that it would only be a matter of time before Max passed Sainz due to the high level of degradation that the setup chosen by Ferrari was causing (the setup made the car faster on the straight, but they lost out in terms of tires). Max never pushed too hard precisely because he soon realized that the pace Sainz was setting to try to keep Max at bay would destroy the Spaniard's tires and it would only be a matter of time). It was an illusion and Ferrari was never in a position to discuss the race (Ferrari developed that precise setup to create the illusion in the tiffosi of a good qualifying. They knew that the setup was favorable on one lap, but it was much worse in the race).
Nice to see someone other than Max lead a few laps of a race. Funny how the producers stopped showing the lead car after Ferrari was in 3rd and 4th.
It's not like there were any challenges to Verstappen's lead once Sainz lost DRS a lap later and after pitstops came that gave him a solid gap - for once I am happy TV direction didn't focus on P1.
(They botched and haven't shown anyone out of points without a replay and even then there just weren't replays sometimes for moves, but you win some you lose some I guess)
they threw everything, incluiding the kitchen sink at that car and still was only good enough for 3-4
They beat Dorothy and Toto which is all I care about
damn, that phenomenal performance by sainz and no mistake from ferrari are still called failure? you must be joking right? considering red bull and verstappen is inevitable
No plans to redo the ImolaGP? We need another Italy GP!
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5:34 😭😭