What they could have done is, have Kade ask Prime who was Sam, because he heard prime say "Sam, run!" And prime would explain to Kade what happened to him, and while that happens, Bee listens in, and covers his head because he lost a friend
In dark of the moon Simmons repeatedly says Sam is a magnet for alien trouble. I find it very likely that he is in cemetery wind custody for the entire movie. They probably captured him hoping the transformers would try to break him out
@@alecrodriguez5811 There is this one theory that TLK was just a campfire story made up by the bots together in hiding at the junkyard. The first few moments (Canopy, Cade in the junkyard, Izabella) happened. The rest of it (Cybertron, London, Stonehenge) did not. Here's what's true: Besides the opening act encounter, the Autobots don't really know much about the TRF. The TRF they created for their story is based on their experience with Cemetery Wind - hence why they're so similar (it's not lazy writing) Nobody knows what happened to Prime. Officially speaking, his actual status is unknown. Is he dead? Alive? Brainwashed into Nemesis Prime? We don't know. Galvatron also vanished and was never sighted since. A comprehensive list of long timers we saw whose actual in-universe statuses are actually left unknown: Simmons Morshower Sam (and Carly) Both Anthony Hopkins' character and Cogman are not real. Bumblebee is super into Star Wars. He inserted those two into the story while basing them on Obi Wan and C3PO, respectively. Neither is Vivian. She's a mix of Carly (as Bumblebee remembered her) and Cade's late wife. Megatron's suicide squad was based on a team of Cons Drift used to work with when he was one: Onslaught is based on a Long Haul drone (remember, Constructicons in the Bayverse are drones) who was like his team's Hound; big and dumb but loveable. Drift actually sees a bit of him in Hound. Nitro Zeus was a real bot, protege to Starscream, who also had a mad admiration for Shockwave. He died on Cybertron. Barricade, who actually died in Chicago, was part of Drift's team before he got sent to Earth to hunt for the AllSpark. They had not seen each other for so long Drift forgot what he looked like, so TLK Barricade was a loose recollection of Barricade from Drift's fuzzy memories. They didn't like each other much anyway. Both Dreadbot and Berserker were based on Crowbar and Crankcase. They were also part of Drift's team. Crankcase was the quiet pair of the two. Berserker is, in some way, a softened up version of Crankcase. Drift knew Crankcase as a horrific monster - a dirty trickster who used every dirty trick in the book against his enemies. The Decepticon jail doesn't actually exist - Crosshairs got the idea for it from watching a bootleg Suicide Squad DVD with Cade and the gang for movie night one night. TLK Megatron is actually a demonized, beefed up version of his most feared form while on Cybertron (his first movie form). More to come.
I swear I never knew Optimus said “Sam Run!” I thought he was grunting and wincing in pain. This video definitely made more sense than my previous thoughts
@@TH3SPRUNGTR8P ok I just watched the scene from this movie on DVD just to confirm he does say sam run but you really have to hear it he angrily screamingly says run you hear something you hear a S and M like he was trying to say the name all you hear is sm run then he grunts and moans from the getting hit with the missile
@@eggsbaconcheeseandsausageI think most straight guys with decent vision would agree. But definitely not something that should come up in a professional work environment.
Here's a sad fact. During Optimus was transforming in Cade's workshop some people heard him calling for Sam's name. Unfortunately that's just not true, It turns out it was just one of Optimus's groans and yells. But i'd like to believe he did say that because Sam was probably the last thing he remember before ending up at Cade's workshop.
Yeah lets choose to believe that, its honestly better than nothing and neatly covers why Optimus is so down and why Sam is never brought up even if it would be nice he'd become a casualty
@@TyreceWilliams-w2z No he didn't. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't even hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
Sam sacrifices himself trying to protect his Autobots by the hands of humans. Optimus Prime escaped while in time Optimus Prime may have sent a distress signal to his other fellow autobots to beware of humans. That's how Drift, bee and his other fellow bots survived.
Sam’s in the Bahamas snorkeling during the events of transformers 4. He needed a vacation you know so he told bumblebee to go help Optimus Prime & the other transformers & not mention anything about it. Don’t want anyone ruining his vacation lol
I personally think that sam never did die but is rather still together with carly and in aoe optimus prime’s “sam, run” is most likely him grunting and yelling. But, if Optimus Prime really said that, then that is most likely he has PTSD from the forest battle when he told sam to run. and the behavioral change is to just to put fear in the humans and plus, optimus prime said later on in the movie he would kill who ever killed ratchet along with after they take out KSI they would leave.
Three months late to this, but I agree completely. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
in the original '07 movie, arcee and lennox would have been a duo. this was changed at the last minute, but i like to also imagine lennox getting revenge for her on the decepticons and combiners.
@@kennethsatria6607 ye. i mean she was literally just a moving prop the entire length of revenge of the fallen. we could have got awesome screentime and maybe even a cooler studio series toy than that rickety excuse for a character.
8:00 I think Bumblebee Handed Sam off to a more stealthy Autobot!!! Him and Agent Simmons probably got a small organization in the shadows!! There’s much potential there for it!!
Michael bay stopped the comic tie ins cause Amazon accidentally leaked the entire plot of one of the movies days before it was set to release in theaters.
The truth is Shia Labeouf kinda went nuts over some method acting stuff, got into trouble for weird/agressive behaviour and even was detained at some point. That is the reason why he was removed from the TF saga and why Sam character was set aside... Just look it up
@@josephadams3917 You can make up whatever reasoning in your minds for letting go of Sam character from TF Saga, all you want, evidence is evidence in the end. Hollywod has done this multiple times when the lead role actors image become tainted in some way, it's nothing new and, I didn't just pull this off my pocket, I'ts widely known. I brought it up because it's on topic with the video discussion (read the title). This isn't about me, you're just bitching.
@@josephadams3917 Except the movies are about the TF and their connection to the main character portrayed by Shia, the actor. Yeah, whatever man, I don't give a fck, and no one cares about your bitchin...
@josephadams3917 it's no secret that when people mess up in their personal lives it completely effects their ability to get their job back in a role. Disney just now did it to Johnny Depp when the Turd trial was happening. They canned him as the role for Jack Sparrow. So whether you like it or not Michael Bay felt a specific way about Shia and decided NOT to bring him back as Sam and reprise the role entirely.
Would be dope but unfortunately they’ve moved on from bayverse it seems completely . Although, with Lorenzo being in charge and the fact that everything they’ve done since 2017 has lost profit we might be in for something crazy with another live action box office flop like rise of the beasts
It would be cool for him to at least finish out his universe. But think for now though just give him like producer credits and you can tell he has his hands on the transformer movies like Future projects
There is one interaction between Lockdown and Harold Attinger(Cemetary Wind) where the two talk about a certain autobot: Optimus Prime. HA: "So what happened in Mexico City? I thought you had him?" Lockdown: "Three direct hits; mortal wounds. Then your men allowed him to escape. You promised me human intelligence, or is there such a thing?" This scene is overlooked in my opinion. Call it a hunch, but if Sam died he was likely killed in this Mexico City battle because he was with Optimus Prime. Prime gets wounded in an attempt to protect Sam and fails, Sam dies, Optimus sustains critical injuries and escapes into hiding where he is later found by Kade Yeager in AoE.
@owentravis2220 your point was completely valid bro. Alec got mad in a separate comment and for some reason now he’s going around replying to others deliberately stirring things up and leaving meaningless replies to downplay others opinions.
If Sam died, it’d be a good idea for the Franchise to introduce his son. Sam jr? A younger character for the franchise. Don’t go full reboot. A new Sam for a newer generation and the past movies remain canon.
In TLK theres a picture of sam with all the other knights of the table who are dead and the dude says "i am the lsst one alive" which gives us the hint that sam joined the table at a point in time and died most likley killed by secretary wind
Here’s what happened to him between DOTM & AOE. After the battle of Chicago. He & Carly would eventually get married, with everyone being there, especially those they hadn’t seen in a while like Maggie & Glenn from 2007, Leo from ROTF, especially Mikaela, who is happy for him & Carly. After that, they moved to a small town as a safe location. Just to be safe from any Decepticons, or any remaining human collaborators that want to avenge Dylan’s death. Sam was working as a miner. Carly was working as a teacher. Around when Cemetery Wind started to hunt all Transformers. Sam gets tracked down by them, after Savory & his men got information from what’s left of Dylan’s company & staff, before slaughtering all of them, since they too are responsible for the destruction of Chicago, along with Savory’s sister. Sam was able to get Carly to safety, right after she got pregnant with a daughter named Lori(the girl from Cybertron). He took on Cemetery Wind all by himself, even though he’s not military trained. Showing them what a Messenger could also do. Without help from Bee or Optimus. Sam gets killed by Savory, since he too is responsible for everything that has happened so far. Optimus felt that as a disturbance in the Allspark. Especially Bee, who is traumatized as Optimus is.
I think Sam was killed by that Savoy guy who does all the dirty work for the bearded cia/fbi guy, and with the way prime was freaking out he obviously was there and probably witnessed Sam being attacked. And prime seeing another human killing Sam is what changed his views on the human-race, as if Sam's death traumatized prime.
Last comment was long enough . My theory is Shia LaBeouf saw where the Bay-Verse was headed and decided to step down after TF3 hence why they needed to find a replacement
I agree, I think him being who he is as an actor is, done this long enough and had enough. Also I’m sure he had so many different parts to go for, and had done his contractual part and moved on. Plus he might have thought, as you said, time to go before he rips this verse apart completely. I never got why none of the Transformers looked like the cartoons, when it’s probably harder to design them how they are. Shame
The question is if Sam is dead, what happened to Mikaela, Carly, Epps and Sam´s parents, because I don´t think Epps would let this slide, and Sam´s parents would be furious, and Carly was his fiance. Killing Sam would piss off a lot of humans and autobots
I wish Mikaela was in all of them but bay fired her after ROTF cuz she pissed him off on set, hence why he moves on to Carly In DOTM. Epps and Lennox would care for him but they could only do so much , and his parents would likely be sent off by Sam himself or placed under government protection.
Fun Fact: it was either for transformers 4 or 5 they were supposed bring back Mikaela but as a Decepticon that killed her jus like they did with that girl alice in transformers 2 but unfortunately they never went through with that plan
@@supreme8300 That would´ve been awesome, not because I hate Mikaela, I absolutely don´t. I would love to see what this rogue military faction did to the humans we used to know in the previous movies. It would´ve made us root for the Autobots even more
In the older movies sam very often talks about wanting a normal life and to do normal things so mabey when the autobots get a big enough peace break or go into hiding it lets sam have his time to do the things he was wanting to do
I always wondered what happened to Shia Labeouf and why he wasn't in the rest of the movies. I had no idea they killed him off with no explanation. I my opinion he should have stayed in the rest of the movies.
This is Head cannon but I always liked the idea that Sam just pulled a Brian o'connor and went had this family, and was just helping the US government allies (Japan) hunt down Galvatron
Small detail to add, Optimus ejects a spent casing, which adds more to the idea of him being attacked or ambushed, this plus his words heavily indicates that they were attacked and Sam died, Optimus was fatally wounded and chose to enter stasis/stealth mode right before sending his “we are being hunted message” and similarly to sentinels revival they both immediately reacted with panic and hostility to all party’s, as the last thing they remember is being under an assault. Optimus most likely awoke and believed cemetery wind had found his hiding place….Food for thought 💭
The "sam, run" Absent in all translations and in the official text of the film, it's just your imagination I watched the film in Russian, there are not even these sounds
There is another take you can have on this is that Sam Witwicky got married to Carly and they were going to have kids to be safe. They walked away from the transformer life or the transformers walked away from them so they would be safe with their children. Or also Sam may have known they were going to be or we’re being hunted and they would use him so he told them to stay as far away from them as possible, so he couldn’t help them capture any autobox as they would probably be surveilling Sam to see if any auto bots would be coming to him.
Had an idea for tf3 when i was a kid and it involved optimus returning when Sam was an adult with his own kids but Shia didn't look old enough 😂. Miss this franchise ❤
Not to discredit this headcannon but isn’t the “Sam run!” line reused dialogue from the forest fight scene in revenge of the fallen? (I haven’t watched these movies in forever)
Prime example (pun intended) of mondegreen, a mishearing or misinterpretation of a phrase in a way that gives it a new meaning, during the 80's we had this thing called "The Satanic Panic" where people where claiming that a bunch of songs when played backward had satanic messages. Stairway to Heaven is probably the most famous. When the song was played with subtitles parents could clearly heard the "message", when played without subtitles for another group they heard only gibberish, many comments below confirm that it's just a sound effect. Our brains are hardwired to piece together things we don't understand, It's the power of persuasion, like when people see a "face" when looking at the front of a car.
So apparently Shia LeBeouf left the franchise feeling the stories weren’t grounded enough. Which I would say yes, thought that being understood. Some sort of ceremonial something or would have been a nice send off. Though Prime being Prime, telling Sam to run knowing he probably wouldn’t make it. While never really discussing what happened is very Optimus.
All they needed to say was.He got a family he didn't want to be involved in it anymore.And before the transformers knew it , he went into hiding and didn't tell the where he was going for the safety of his family.
ive watched that movie yesterday and now seeing your vid the following day (today) and went back to that part in the movie and if you listen closely he did say Sam run!
I could see them off screening Sam. That would have to mean they off screened the rest of Nest too though. So either all of Nest went inti hiding and Sam is in cahoots with them, or they were all systematically offed so there wouldn't be any humans with positive connections to the Autobots to stand up to this crap.
Alec they literally were about to shoot Cades daughter in the head and showed no care about damaging surroundings or other people in Hong Kong. I think it’s safe to say an illegal black ops murder team is okay with killing humans , especially when they partner with a bounty hunter who does as well
Not necessarily. Members of his family in the past. Selective individuals who kept it a secret and it became lost knowledge by the time it got to Sam and his parents after what happened with his grandfather and megatron. The government took over from there
I assumed that the Witwickeys were Witwiccan descendants, in the Last Knight they mention that Hopkins character is the last surviving Witwiccan…. So I’m just confused with the live actions. I’ll just stick to G1 lol.
People say that Sam died, and some says he didn't. I feel that AOE and TLK, is where Sam is hidden, since he has more knowledge than Cade thanks to the cube. My theory: He's still alive and is hidden
If theyre the same universe then where is the Matrix Of Leadership?! 4:03 is it possible “Sam, RUN…!!!” Is from Transformers 2, Battle In The Woods/Forest (Prime vs what …3 or 5 Deceptions?!). Given the pitch, bass and context and ALL of that different the timing of “Sam” and then “Run” is about the same imo.
WAITTTT I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT. Remember when cemetery wind was interrogating Cade and cade said “him” so they immediately did what they did. It seems like they acted this way before and the only human that wouldn’t sell out Optimus for sure is Sam. If they were even suspicious about it because of his former involvement with the autobots he would be a target as well. Hate to say but best guess is he probably died like ratchet never selling out except to a bullet from that guy in cemetery wind. Or they literally assassinated him because the same guy I think shot sam(the main agent) took a lot of what happened in Chicago personally and it makes alot of sense that Sam’s involvement got out for the 1st time after Chicago because that would complete his character arc, as a man that everyone knew saved the world and mattered, Then gets killed for it because obviously cemetery wind didnt think the autobots did any good any even blamed them for his sister dying. Therefore he’d blame Sam to.
Noo sam run Is actually him grunting It was debunked by anither RUclipsr I hate how they killed Sam's character off screen and didnt even give him a proper tribute. The last knight did a very poor thing in telling that Sam is dead. I only watched age of extinction and Last knight for transformers ( like literal robots) not for the lore it has created in the first three movies.
Sam is the greatest human to Prime in this verse: Sam fought for, bled, touched,and held the All-Spark like a dragon egg on a mythic quest. Sam is the reason that Earth (and therefore humans) were declared a beacon of hope and New Home for the Autobots. Sam is the mere human that defeated Megatron. That said, Sam is MIA and (although a tragic loss) can easily return. In terms of humans, he's a Prime. Go figure. 😂
This show's that Sam was attacked, and the last memory in Prime's head was protecting sam. We are not told that he died, but for all we know, he can be 'detained', since he is so close to autobots or smthing. But the absence of Sam, and bumblebee's rolling without him, means 3 things, 1 - Sam is dead. 2 - Sam is hidden as the ONLY TRUE FRIEND of the AUTOBOTS. 3 - Detained or captured by human factions. 4 - He is somehow transported to unicron to help revitilize him, since he now posseses some knowlage from the Allsparks shard, and was approved by the ancient primes to hide the matrix or some other shiz.
I don't what it is with Hollywood killing off Shia Indiana Jones 5 killed off his character and transformers too , I believe sam is married to Carly and they have a family living a peaceful life sam is hiding for his own protection
I think they just make it seem like he’s dead in the movies but don’t flat out say he’s dead so they can keep the possibility of the actor returning and maybe say he was captured/hiding all this time
Listen kids If you wanna make a sequel next-gen style. Be sure to let your audience know what happened to the og cast, and under no condition make the returning characters act like their friends never existed at all
Damn,now looking back at this,these hypothetical/real events of Sam's death before TF4 really made Bee the biggest crashout in the movie,like Prime had to(so it seems)literally give it his all to hold him back
My theory is that Sam was killed by Lockdown's molten metal grenade, maybe thats why Optimus was telling him to run, so he would escape the blast range or to get away as Lockdown was arming it
Im sorry to break it to you but in the german version of the movie Optimus says nothing like „sam, run!“. Its more like a moaning cuz of the long time he hasnt transformed.
I was curious to see if that was actually a dialogue or just grunts and checked the spanish dub, they're just grunts, something like that happened in CoD Zombies as well where the zombies were grunting and it sounded like "SAM!" therefore the CoD Zombies was born with Samantha Maxis as a main character
This is why I don't show much mercy when dealing with an enemy and also why I don't make the mistake of ever truly trusting another person. Optimus and the other Autobots learned that lesson the hard way. Cemetary wind also got lucky the ones that get taken out get taken out very quickly. I would not have given any of them such mercy.
There is a whole story that could happen between T3 and T4 that could be a movie. Think Empire Strikes Back where the good guys lose and it fills the gap.
according to a new video /teaser dealing with a sequel set after transformers rise of the beasts between GI Joe and Transformers not sure if this is rumor or not but sam along his female counterpart are working within gi joe and reuniting with the surviving autobots being bumblebee and optimus prime supposed to be released 2nd to 4th quarter of 2025-2026
That and shilolabuf has stated he got into drugs and he went down hill during that time, obviously they can’t cast him in the movies during that, and he’s also stated he was done with acting because of what it did to him.
What they could have done is, have Kade ask Prime who was Sam, because he heard prime say "Sam, run!" And prime would explain to Kade what happened to him, and while that happens, Bee listens in, and covers his head because he lost a friend
Yup even a small scene like this would go a long way
He never said „sam run“. Its just random grunting
@@Alexius01 just a theory
@@A_Calm_K2 A FILM THEORY!!
@@megalucario4208 haha very funny lol
Personally, I feel Sam survived & changed his name to Spike, grew facial hair & lived in hiding.
Would be a cool ending for him
And had a baby named Daniel
Already!! That is correct!!
In dark of the moon Simmons repeatedly says Sam is a magnet for alien trouble. I find it very likely that he is in cemetery wind custody for the entire movie. They probably captured him hoping the transformers would try to break him out
@rodrigovillegas2263well hope Sam is back
Honestly, I am under the headcanon that AOE and TLK take place in a alternate timeline, where Sam died during the events of the Battle of Chicago
Would be a cool “what if” transformers story
I am also think of that
I see it as first movies when prime left he was converted by Unicron and was scourge in rise of the beast and was sent back in different time line
@@alecrodriguez5811 There is this one theory that TLK was just a campfire story made up by the bots together in hiding at the junkyard. The first few moments (Canopy, Cade in the junkyard, Izabella) happened. The rest of it (Cybertron, London, Stonehenge) did not.
Here's what's true:
Besides the opening act encounter, the Autobots don't really know much about the TRF. The TRF they created for their story is based on their experience with Cemetery Wind - hence why they're so similar (it's not lazy writing)
Nobody knows what happened to Prime. Officially speaking, his actual status is unknown. Is he dead? Alive? Brainwashed into Nemesis Prime? We don't know. Galvatron also vanished and was never sighted since. A comprehensive list of long timers we saw whose actual in-universe statuses are actually left unknown:
Simmons
Morshower
Sam (and Carly)
Both Anthony Hopkins' character and Cogman are not real. Bumblebee is super into Star Wars. He inserted those two into the story while basing them on Obi Wan and C3PO, respectively.
Neither is Vivian. She's a mix of Carly (as Bumblebee remembered her) and Cade's late wife.
Megatron's suicide squad was based on a team of Cons Drift used to work with when he was one:
Onslaught is based on a Long Haul drone (remember, Constructicons in the Bayverse are drones) who was like his team's Hound; big and dumb but loveable. Drift actually sees a bit of him in Hound.
Nitro Zeus was a real bot, protege to Starscream, who also had a mad admiration for Shockwave. He died on Cybertron.
Barricade, who actually died in Chicago, was part of Drift's team before he got sent to Earth to hunt for the AllSpark. They had not seen each other for so long Drift forgot what he looked like, so TLK Barricade was a loose recollection of Barricade from Drift's fuzzy memories. They didn't like each other much anyway.
Both Dreadbot and Berserker were based on Crowbar and Crankcase. They were also part of Drift's team. Crankcase was the quiet pair of the two. Berserker is, in some way, a softened up version of Crankcase. Drift knew Crankcase as a horrific monster - a dirty trickster who used every dirty trick in the book against his enemies.
The Decepticon jail doesn't actually exist - Crosshairs got the idea for it from watching a bootleg Suicide Squad DVD with Cade and the gang for movie night one night.
TLK Megatron is actually a demonized, beefed up version of his most feared form while on Cybertron (his first movie form).
More to come.
@@alecrodriguez5811 I know. It's just this one hilarious fan theory I came across on the TFW2005, although it's more of a headcanon.
Fun fact: a screenwriter of the film ROTB (who worked on the 4&5) revealed that Sam Witwicky is alive during the last two films but somewhere
YIPPI!!!!
WE WANT OUR HOMEBOY SAM BACK INTO THE FILM
@@varuunbadree
Source: I made it tf up
Just like we dont want British spider-man # 2 and we Tobey instead
@@ericsalas5650 actually I like all spidermans
But I favours peter
I swear I never knew Optimus said “Sam Run!” I thought he was grunting and wincing in pain. This video definitely made more sense than my previous thoughts
Bc he didn't say it. It's just grunting
@@spacequack5470 thought so
He said it in part 2 where Optimus died so he played it back here to catch us
@@TH3SPRUNGTR8P ok I just watched the scene from this movie on DVD just to confirm he does say sam run but you really have to hear it he angrily screamingly says run you hear something you hear a S and M like he was trying to say the name all you hear is sm run then he grunts and moans from the getting hit with the missile
@@TexanRepublicanRedneckit’s grunting, they reuse that same grunting noise twice in the movie, and u can hear it in the final battle
Horrible decision to get rid of Shia and Megan in these movies. They had so much more heart with those two.
Agreed.
Megan said one of the directors was attracted to her.
Idk just heard
Source:
Twitter ofc or X whatever you wanna call it
@@eggsbaconcheeseandsausage oh lol. I mean I can see it.
It’s still a shame though. She was great.
megan was very difficult to work with and Shia was unlucky because Sam's actor said he completed the arc of the role and he wouldn't perform anymore
@@eggsbaconcheeseandsausageI think most straight guys with decent vision would agree. But definitely not something that should come up in a professional work environment.
Sam is hiding in Japan, and is enrolled in a secret school learning ninjutsu.
Hope we see Sam again
@@varuunbadree perhaps he’s a top secret member of the G.I. Joe!! 🤷🏾♂️
They probably did give him a new Alias for him to live in peace
@@bradcalhoun8976 Codename: NoNoNooo!
"long before time had a name"
He may be dead... But he will be remembered in the Cybertronian Hall of Fames
Here's a sad fact. During Optimus was transforming in Cade's workshop some people heard him calling for Sam's name. Unfortunately that's just not true, It turns out it was just one of Optimus's groans and yells. But i'd like to believe he did say that because Sam was probably the last thing he remember before ending up at Cade's workshop.
Yeah lets choose to believe that, its honestly better than nothing and neatly covers why Optimus is so down and why Sam is never brought up even if it would be nice he'd become a casualty
Oh,GOSH
I just went back to that part in the movie and it turns out to be true he did say sam run!
He literally says sam run ur dumb asf
@@TyreceWilliams-w2z No he didn't. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't even hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
Sam sacrifices himself trying to protect his Autobots by the hands of humans. Optimus Prime escaped while in time Optimus Prime may have sent a distress signal to his other fellow autobots to beware of humans. That's how Drift, bee and his other fellow bots survived.
Sam’s in the Bahamas snorkeling during the events of transformers 4. He needed a vacation you know so he told bumblebee to go help Optimus Prime & the other transformers & not mention anything about it. Don’t want anyone ruining his vacation lol
I agree, God bless
Since his college time didn’t do good
I personally think that sam never did die but is rather still together with carly and in aoe optimus prime’s “sam, run” is most likely him grunting and yelling. But, if Optimus Prime really said that, then that is most likely he has PTSD from the forest battle when he told sam to run. and the behavioral change is to just to put fear in the humans and plus, optimus prime said later on in the movie he would kill who ever killed ratchet along with after they take out KSI they would leave.
Three months late to this, but I agree completely. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
Lol KSI😂😂
I could imagine Bumblebee find out that Sam Witwicky died
That would’ve been a sad but great scene to see on screen if bee wasn’t there himself to react to it
in the original '07 movie, arcee and lennox would have been a duo. this was changed at the last minute, but i like to also imagine lennox getting revenge for her on the decepticons and combiners.
@@smart_person-n7k Ah man, what we got was making her a fodder character too, it would've been cool to see a sort of platonic partnership thing
@@kennethsatria6607 ye. i mean she was literally just a moving prop the entire length of revenge of the fallen. we could have got awesome screentime and maybe even a cooler studio series toy than that rickety excuse for a character.
Sam was bumblebee friend 😊
8:00 I think Bumblebee Handed Sam off to a more stealthy Autobot!!! Him and Agent Simmons probably got a small organization in the shadows!! There’s much potential there for it!!
He's wot g.i.joe
I wished there was a comic on the Battle Of Mexico City to tie into AOE especially on Cemetary Wind as well.
100%. Especially since we got so many comic/book tie in’s for the first 3
Yeah I mean I have a bumblebee movie tie in comic so they could've done that
Michael bay stopped the comic tie ins cause Amazon accidentally leaked the entire plot of one of the movies days before it was set to release in theaters.
Fr. A fire fight in Mexico is always a good camp fire story
The truth is Shia Labeouf kinda went nuts over some method acting stuff, got into trouble for weird/agressive behaviour and even was detained at some point. That is the reason why he was removed from the TF saga and why Sam character was set aside... Just look it up
I don't.
See where that is any of your business.
Or why you had to bring that up? It's a movie, don't bring up his personal life.
@@josephadams3917 You can make up whatever reasoning in your minds for letting go of Sam character from TF Saga, all you want, evidence is evidence in the end. Hollywod has done this multiple times when the lead role actors image become tainted in some way, it's nothing new and, I didn't just pull this off my pocket, I'ts widely known. I brought it up because it's on topic with the video discussion (read the title). This isn't about me, you're just bitching.
@@darkmatterisgrey You can do if you want, but there's no need to bring his personal life into any conversation to do with a character in a movie
@@josephadams3917 Except the movies are about the TF and their connection to the main character portrayed by Shia, the actor. Yeah, whatever man, I don't give a fck, and no one cares about your bitchin...
@josephadams3917 it's no secret that when people mess up in their personal lives it completely effects their ability to get their job back in a role. Disney just now did it to Johnny Depp when the Turd trial was happening. They canned him as the role for Jack Sparrow. So whether you like it or not Michael Bay felt a specific way about Shia and decided NOT to bring him back as Sam and reprise the role entirely.
In short Michael bay needs to give us insight as well as finish his universe up
Probably not gonna happen
Would be dope but unfortunately they’ve moved on from bayverse it seems completely . Although, with Lorenzo being in charge and the fact that everything they’ve done since 2017 has lost profit we might be in for something crazy with another live action box office flop like rise of the beasts
It would be cool for him to at least finish out his universe. But think for now though just give him like producer credits and you can tell he has his hands on the transformer movies like Future projects
Probably because they blacklisted Sam from the movie industry
Truly underrated video 😢
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Good video, bro! Nice thoughts.
There is one interaction between Lockdown and Harold Attinger(Cemetary Wind) where the two talk about a certain autobot: Optimus Prime. HA: "So what happened in Mexico City? I thought you had him?" Lockdown: "Three direct hits; mortal wounds. Then your men allowed him to escape. You promised me human intelligence, or is there such a thing?" This scene is overlooked in my opinion. Call it a hunch, but if Sam died he was likely killed in this Mexico City battle because he was with Optimus Prime. Prime gets wounded in an attempt to protect Sam and fails, Sam dies, Optimus sustains critical injuries and escapes into hiding where he is later found by Kade Yeager in AoE.
@alecrodriguez5811 I wasn't sure if it was or not. Sorry if it seemed I was assuming it was. Thank you for clarifying that it isn't
@owentravis2220 your point was completely valid bro. Alec got mad in a separate comment and for some reason now he’s going around replying to others deliberately stirring things up and leaving meaningless replies to downplay others opinions.
@theonlysaj cool. Thanks man!
This would make total sense actually
If Sam died, it’d be a good idea for the Franchise to introduce his son. Sam jr? A younger character for the franchise. Don’t go full reboot. A new Sam for a newer generation and the past movies remain canon.
That "No Sam run" was from transformers 2 when optimus was killed from the back.
Yep!!!!
No it wasn’t
No. That line before he got stabbed by Megatron was "Sam, where are you?"
In TLK theres a picture of sam with all the other knights of the table who are dead and the dude says "i am the lsst one alive" which gives us the hint that sam joined the table at a point in time and died most likley killed by secretary wind
Here’s what happened to him between DOTM & AOE. After the battle of Chicago. He & Carly would eventually get married, with everyone being there, especially those they hadn’t seen in a while like Maggie & Glenn from 2007, Leo from ROTF, especially Mikaela, who is happy for him & Carly. After that, they moved to a small town as a safe location. Just to be safe from any Decepticons, or any remaining human collaborators that want to avenge Dylan’s death. Sam was working as a miner. Carly was working as a teacher. Around when Cemetery Wind started to hunt all Transformers. Sam gets tracked down by them, after Savory & his men got information from what’s left of Dylan’s company & staff, before slaughtering all of them, since they too are responsible for the destruction of Chicago, along with Savory’s sister. Sam was able to get Carly to safety, right after she got pregnant with a daughter named Lori(the girl from Cybertron). He took on Cemetery Wind all by himself, even though he’s not military trained. Showing them what a Messenger could also do. Without help from Bee or Optimus. Sam gets killed by Savory, since he too is responsible for everything that has happened so far. Optimus felt that as a disturbance in the Allspark. Especially Bee, who is traumatized as Optimus is.
I think Sam was killed by that Savoy guy who does all the dirty work for the bearded cia/fbi guy, and with the way prime was freaking out he obviously was there and probably witnessed Sam being attacked. And prime seeing another human killing Sam is what changed his views on the human-race, as if Sam's death traumatized prime.
Last comment was long enough . My theory is Shia LaBeouf saw where the Bay-Verse was headed and decided to step down after TF3 hence why they needed to find a replacement
I agree, I think him being who he is as an actor is, done this long enough and had enough.
Also I’m sure he had so many different parts to go for, and had done his contractual part and moved on.
Plus he might have thought, as you said, time to go before he rips this verse apart completely.
I never got why none of the Transformers looked like the cartoons, when it’s probably harder to design them how they are. Shame
He didn’t step down he got into some trouble after the last film he was in, don’t assume jus look into it
You are actually not that far off. He said that Sam's story was over. The last movie did not allow for character growth so he was done.
I heard he went crazy and would only answer to Creeper but that might just be a theory.
“No Sam Run” is clearly Uncle Sam
The dark souls gameplay in the background made me think that there should be a transformers dark souls like game.
Man I’d take any new transformers game above the level of a mobile game 😂
The question is if Sam is dead, what happened to Mikaela, Carly, Epps and Sam´s parents, because I don´t think Epps would let this slide, and Sam´s parents would be furious, and Carly was his fiance. Killing Sam would piss off a lot of humans and autobots
I wish Mikaela was in all of them but bay fired her after ROTF cuz she pissed him off on set, hence why he moves on to Carly In DOTM. Epps and Lennox would care for him but they could only do so much , and his parents would likely be sent off by Sam himself or placed under government protection.
Fun Fact: it was either for transformers 4 or 5 they were supposed bring back Mikaela but as a Decepticon that killed her jus like they did with that girl alice in transformers 2 but unfortunately they never went through with that plan
@@supreme8300 That would´ve been awesome, not because I hate Mikaela, I absolutely don´t. I would love to see what this rogue military faction did to the humans we used to know in the previous movies. It would´ve made us root for the Autobots even more
In the older movies sam very often talks about wanting a normal life and to do normal things so mabey when the autobots get a big enough peace break or go into hiding it lets sam have his time to do the things he was wanting to do
I always wondered what happened to Shia Labeouf and why he wasn't in the rest of the movies. I had no idea they killed him off with no explanation. I my opinion he should have stayed in the rest of the movies.
This is Head cannon but I always liked the idea that Sam just pulled a Brian o'connor and went had this family, and was just helping the US government allies (Japan) hunt down Galvatron
They murdered the franchise and all of the characters we loved 😢
Small detail to add, Optimus ejects a spent casing, which adds more to the idea of him being attacked or ambushed, this plus his words heavily indicates that they were attacked and Sam died, Optimus was fatally wounded and chose to enter stasis/stealth mode right before sending his “we are being hunted message” and similarly to sentinels revival they both immediately reacted with panic and hostility to all party’s, as the last thing they remember is being under an assault. Optimus most likely awoke and believed cemetery wind had found his hiding place….Food for thought 💭
Realistically, they probably faked his death because sam just wanted out of it
This.
The "sam, run" Absent in all translations and in the official text of the film, it's just your imagination
I watched the film in Russian, there are not even these sounds
There is another take you can have on this is that Sam Witwicky got married to Carly and they were going to have kids to be safe. They walked away from the transformer life or the transformers walked away from them so they would be safe with their children. Or also Sam may have known they were going to be or we’re being hunted and they would use him so he told them to stay as far away from them as possible, so he couldn’t help them capture any autobox as they would probably be surveilling Sam to see if any auto bots would be coming to him.
Had an idea for tf3 when i was a kid and it involved optimus returning when Sam was an adult with his own kids but Shia didn't look old enough 😂. Miss this franchise ❤
I like they left up to where Sam could easily come back or be passed away
It was cool video didn't know I was gonna see stuff from a game that wasn't transformers related lol
Great vid new sub 👍🏾
Always felt sam shouldve been trained and joined the fighting
Not to discredit this headcannon but isn’t the “Sam run!” line reused dialogue from the forest fight scene in revenge of the fallen? (I haven’t watched these movies in forever)
Prime example (pun intended) of mondegreen, a mishearing or misinterpretation of a phrase in a way that gives it a new meaning, during the 80's we had this thing called "The Satanic Panic" where people where claiming that a bunch of songs when played backward had satanic messages. Stairway to Heaven is probably the most famous. When the song was played with subtitles parents could clearly heard the "message", when played without subtitles for another group they heard only gibberish, many comments below confirm that it's just a sound effect. Our brains are hardwired to piece together things we don't understand, It's the power of persuasion, like when people see a "face" when looking at the front of a car.
So apparently Shia LeBeouf left the franchise feeling the stories weren’t grounded enough. Which I would say yes, thought that being understood. Some sort of ceremonial something or would have been a nice send off. Though Prime being Prime, telling Sam to run knowing he probably wouldn’t make it. While never really discussing what happened is very Optimus.
All they needed to say was.He got a family he didn't want to be involved in it anymore.And before the transformers knew it , he went into hiding and didn't tell the where he was going for the safety of his family.
ive watched that movie yesterday and now seeing your vid the following day (today) and went back to that part in the movie and if you listen closely he did say Sam run!
I could see them off screening Sam. That would have to mean they off screened the rest of Nest too though. So either all of Nest went inti hiding and Sam is in cahoots with them, or they were all systematically offed so there wouldn't be any humans with positive connections to the Autobots to stand up to this crap.
Alec they literally were about to shoot Cades daughter in the head and showed no care about damaging surroundings or other people in Hong Kong. I think it’s safe to say an illegal black ops murder team is okay with killing humans , especially when they partner with a bounty hunter who does as well
Best was disbanded and reorganized we learn in TF5
So many people here hearing what they want to hear. Prime is just grunting guys. Chill out
Fantastic explanation.
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Sam is in hiding with the Witness protection program ,that’s how the tv show even Steven’s makes sense 🤣
It would be dope if Cade meets Sam
1:37 so sams family knew the aliens aka Cybertronians were real
Not necessarily. Members of his family in the past. Selective individuals who kept it a secret and it became lost knowledge by the time it got to Sam and his parents after what happened with his grandfather and megatron. The government took over from there
I assumed that the Witwickeys were Witwiccan descendants, in the Last Knight they mention that Hopkins character is the last surviving Witwiccan…. So I’m just confused with the live actions. I’ll just stick to G1 lol.
People say that Sam died, and some says he didn't. I feel that AOE and TLK, is where Sam is hidden, since he has more knowledge than Cade thanks to the cube. My theory: He's still alive and is hidden
Or maybe he was critically injured, maybe by narrowly avoiding Lockdown's gun and was in a coma, making it seem like he died in Optimus' eyes.
2:05 freaked out thinking elden ring was transformers cannon for a second 😂😂😂
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If theyre the same universe then where is the Matrix Of Leadership?!
4:03 is it possible “Sam, RUN…!!!” Is from Transformers 2, Battle In The Woods/Forest (Prime vs what …3 or 5 Deceptions?!).
Given the pitch, bass and context and ALL of that different the timing of “Sam” and then “Run” is about the same imo.
Love the video man. but I can’t get over the fact that this gameplay was so out of place for this video. 🤣🤣
WAITTTT I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT. Remember when cemetery wind was interrogating Cade and cade said “him” so they immediately did what they did. It seems like they acted this way before and the only human that wouldn’t sell out Optimus for sure is Sam. If they were even suspicious about it because of his former involvement with the autobots he would be a target as well. Hate to say but best guess is he probably died like ratchet never selling out except to a bullet from that guy in cemetery wind.
Or they literally assassinated him because the same guy I think shot sam(the main agent) took a lot of what happened in Chicago personally and it makes alot of sense that Sam’s involvement got out for the 1st time after Chicago because that would complete his character arc, as a man that everyone knew saved the world and mattered, Then gets killed for it because obviously cemetery wind didnt think the autobots did any good any even blamed them for his sister dying. Therefore he’d blame Sam to.
He was the character who earned leadership of matrix....... That scene was awesome
They’re not gonna explain what happened to Sam but in 10 years when they make a movie, he will be in it with some crazy explanation
no he could have Been repeating "Sam run" from part 2 when Optimus got killed he told Sam to run
0:00 “DAD THERES A 🥷🏿 IN THE FAMILY ROOM”
I’m sure Sam would’ve been hunted down by cemetery wind as they would know that he would be a target as he was helping the autobots
As much as I want Sam to be in hiding, Bee and Optimus would never leave Sam unprotected.
What's the video game in this segment for. I see no need for fillers
Noo sam run
Is actually him grunting
It was debunked by anither RUclipsr
I hate how they killed Sam's character off screen and didnt even give him a proper tribute.
The last knight did a very poor thing in telling that Sam is dead.
I only watched age of extinction and Last knight for transformers ( like literal robots) not for the lore it has created in the first three movies.
Sam is the greatest human to Prime in this verse:
Sam fought for, bled, touched,and held the All-Spark like a dragon egg on a mythic quest.
Sam is the reason that Earth (and therefore humans) were declared a beacon of hope and New Home for the Autobots.
Sam is the mere human that defeated Megatron.
That said, Sam is MIA and (although a tragic loss) can easily return. In terms of humans, he's a Prime. Go figure. 😂
Kinda makes sense, and explains why bumblebee was coated black instead of being the usual yellow like he becomes in the second half of the film 4
I was literaly just thinking about how he wasnt in the fourth and fifth movie
sam and carly went into hiding after the ending of 3
This show's that Sam was attacked, and the last memory in Prime's head was protecting sam. We are not told that he died, but for all we know, he can be 'detained', since he is so close to autobots or smthing. But the absence of Sam, and bumblebee's rolling without him, means 3 things, 1 - Sam is dead. 2 - Sam is hidden as the ONLY TRUE FRIEND of the AUTOBOTS. 3 - Detained or captured by human factions. 4 - He is somehow transported to unicron to help revitilize him, since he now posseses some knowlage from the Allsparks shard, and was approved by the ancient primes to hide the matrix or some other shiz.
He got caught up in the thanos snap. But never came back
I don't what it is with Hollywood killing off Shia Indiana Jones 5 killed off his character and transformers too , I believe sam is married to Carly and they have a family living a peaceful life sam is hiding for his own protection
I still don't think Sam Witwicky is dead but nice video.
I think they just make it seem like he’s dead in the movies but don’t flat out say he’s dead so they can keep the possibility of the actor returning and maybe say he was captured/hiding all this time
Lockdown/ cemetery wind is the best explanation
Listen kids
If you wanna make a sequel next-gen style. Be sure to let your audience know what happened to the og cast, and under no condition make the returning characters act like their friends never existed at all
What cover of Heart of Courage is playing in the background?
I am still doubtful of Sam's demise. He is out there somewhere.
My theory is that he got put into a robotic “coma” during a fight and woke up saying what he was going to say to Sam which was no Sam run
Damn,now looking back at this,these hypothetical/real events of Sam's death before TF4 really made Bee the biggest crashout in the movie,like Prime had to(so it seems)literally give it his all to hold him back
My theory is that Sam was killed by Lockdown's molten metal grenade, maybe thats why Optimus was telling him to run, so he would escape the blast range or to get away as Lockdown was arming it
Sam died there was a charcter that said they were the last of the witwiccan line. Alao optimus isnt saying sam run. >
Im sorry to break it to you but in the german version of the movie Optimus says nothing like „sam, run!“. Its more like a moaning cuz of the long time he hasnt transformed.
I was curious to see if that was actually a dialogue or just grunts and checked the spanish dub, they're just grunts, something like that happened in CoD Zombies as well where the zombies were grunting and it sounded like "SAM!" therefore the CoD Zombies was born with Samantha Maxis as a main character
This is why I don't show much mercy when dealing with an enemy and also why I don't make the mistake of ever truly trusting another person. Optimus and the other Autobots learned that lesson the hard way. Cemetary wind also got lucky the ones that get taken out get taken out very quickly. I would not have given any of them such mercy.
You sound like an ignorant 12 year old who hasn't grasped simple concepts yet
Mercy is the difference between a hero and a villain.
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@@lightborn9071 No its nothing but a weakness. Showing mercy to a clear enemy is what will eventually get you killed. Lincoln can attest to that fact.
They left it very open for Shia’s character to come back. He may just pull a RDJ
Nice theory. Makes sense.
octomus once told sam to run in the second movie so octomus could be refering to that
There is a whole story that could happen between T3 and T4 that could be a movie. Think Empire Strikes Back where the good guys lose and it fills the gap.
Well with the information about G. I. Joe at the end of rise of beasts, maybe sam got recruited also?
Someone just needs to ask shia what he thinks im sure hes thought about it atleast once.
according to a new video /teaser dealing with a sequel set after transformers rise of the beasts between GI Joe and Transformers not sure if this is rumor or not but sam along his female counterpart are working within gi joe and reuniting with the surviving autobots being bumblebee and optimus prime supposed to be released 2nd to 4th quarter of 2025-2026
I always thought that Sam would die in the end anyway
That and shilolabuf has stated he got into drugs and he went down hill during that time, obviously they can’t cast him in the movies during that, and he’s also stated he was done with acting because of what it did to him.
Shouldnt the transformers be able to time travel aside from just teleporting and deep space travel?
let’s face it they just couldn’t bother to explain the loss of an actor
This sounds like an order 66
Sam is emotion 😢❤ those old days and those movies❤❤