I would’ve loved to see a 2 v 1 fight between Megatron, Optimus and Sentinel. Also the irony of Sentinel dying to the rust canon that he used to kill Ironhide is a nice touch. The final talk between Prime and Megatron is one of the few examples of genuinely good writing in this franchise, such a shame it was cut. But at least we can still see it in other ways
Sentinel was not killed by his cosmic rust cannon, Optimus Prime kills Megatron, and uses Megatron’s gun to kill sentinel. Prime later uses Megatron’s gun in AOE when he was in his his evasion mode.
In a way, it was Amazon’s fault that dotm had to go with an ass ending. I genuinely believe that if dotm had gone ahead with the original ending and Michael Bay kept Megan Fox, it would have been the best movie out of all bayverse films.
@@yak4168 why did she get removed ? Im pretty sure around that time,there was a rumors about both Shia and Megan was dating so getting then together was seems a nice chemistry for the couple
@@thatayrellguy3023 well i cant say for sure because i dont know ill do some research but from memory im pretty sure there was sexist claims to how she was portrayed (bullshit if u ask me) apoligies im wrong i looked it up and its because she made some kinda mean statments about him, things like hes incredible socially awkward and hes also like hitler on set so yeah speilber made him fire her.
I think the reason that he killed Megatron and Sentinel when they gave up was because Optimus didn't want any more betrayal in his life. Megatron already betrayed him once what are the chances that he will again? And I think that Optimus now knowing that anyone can betray you in war he executed Sentinel. And the next time someone that he trust betrays him, he'll just rip off their face just like he did with The Fallen.
Understandable. Although megatron would still be trust worthy if he does what he promise. But for movie megatron he’s not really trust worthy. Heck in AOE he was playing dead so he can manipulated KSI and Dej- I mean KSI, building him a new body that looks like megatron than Optimus prime which KSI wanted to do and Megatron again took control over Galvatron and he also took control of the KSI drones
Well you are not wrong because you can really see that optimus changed in the 4th and 5th films because he has always been fighting for the humans and they betrayed him and killed his fellow autobots thats why he was done with the humans and in the 5th film he went back to cybertron
Understandable characterization is different from good characterization. The whole point of a "hero" is that they do what's morally right, regardless of their feelings & motivations. Optimus choosing to forgive Megatron, his enemy, immediately after being screwed over by his "sensei", Sentinel, has a much stronger emotional impact than just offing him, because it would show that his willing to put aside his emotions for the sake of making a morally good choice. It's a facet of the character that was established waaay back in G1, but the '07 continuity completely lacked. They changed him from Superman into The Punisher, and I don't think that was the right choice.
Wow… that alternate ending is indeed a better ending for the film. I always thought Megatron’s death was uncalled for since he saved Optimus a few moments ago. Also Sentinel dying to his cosmic rust cannon is definitely better he got a taste of his own medicine rip ironhide. :’)
To me Dark of The Moon is the true ending to the Bayverse, like I enjoyed AOE and Mark Wahlberg, but to me this is the true end to the story, and the original version of the story is SOOO much better! 🤯
@@huey6248 That is a reboot of the Transformers Films! So "Transformers Rise Of The Beasts" is now "The new Transformers 1" :), (Or at the very least Transformers 2 😅)
@@Bmontepeque11 I kinda agree. I mean, the first 3 actually have continuity. - In the first one: they had the allspark, which got destroyed at the end, but not entirely - In the second one: they had 2 small pieces of the allspark, and the matrix of leadership was introduced - In the third one: the allspark was no longer mentioned, but still had the matrix - In the fourth one: neither of the 2 are mentioned or referenced Also agree with that. Bumblebee was a reboot, not a continuation of the story the Bayverse had. That's why I never got why they keep calling Rise of the Beasts Transformers 7.
Man idk if I blame Amazon or Bay and the Studio…. I blame Amazon, not for making me wait for months to get recent TF toys but to spoiler the movie and make the movie change at the last second due to their errors… I understand why Prime killed megatron at first he’s not really trust worthy but with the original ending I would’ve see this as a heart to heart moment between the two brothers similar to Sandman and Peter in Spdierman 3. But yeah it’s really sad that the good ending was changed. Nice video bro and can’t wait to see more
There might be some justification for Optimus’s actions from a writing perspective. Throughout the films, even if the writing is nothing to be too proud of, one idea I thought was really cool is how gradually more jaded Optimus becomes as the wars go on. Lots of friends lost in senseless violence, and now his mentor has become everything they’ve been fighting. That’s gotta make a guy like him break. That’s most evident in Age of Extinction where he seems so traumatized his first instinct is to threaten humans unlike the compassion he showed before (but he only talks, never actually does anything which shows his true nature is still there). I guess he kinda adopts a “too dangerous to be left alive” mentality, too broken to have second thoughts. But he still feels guilty. And with Megatron, it’s easy to see where he’s coming from. He stopped Sentinel for his own personal gain, his call for a truce is backhanded and underwhelming, immediately followed by the implication that Prime is nothing without him even though he’s a power hungry psychopath who ruined their home. I think I can see why he did it, even if it was executed in a clunky way in the film.
I honestly both versions, but I would like to see a deleted scene of this version, I would like to see the look on Sentinel prime's face as he rust to death just like he did to the best bot of the bayverse, Justice for Ironhide. It would also be nice to see this conversation in the film expressing their ideals and what it cost them. It would also be good for prime to not act like a psychopath and ripping heads/faces off even though i loved that scene.
"3 will stand one will fall" God that's a fantastic line!. I've always hated the ending of dotm for how it just stops with no proper ending. I never even realised how BOTH megatron and sentinel were pleading for a truce damn..
@@novustalks7525 I thought about that but the original saying since 1986 is "one shall stand, one shall fall", implying only the winner "will stand", thus, wouldn't it have been more proper for Megatron to say "Two shall stand, one will [edit: shall] fall" instead?
I actually thought of Shockwave mind controlling Sentinel like Shockwave or the dreads like in the novels could’ve led the operation to get to the moon and plant the hundreds of pillars and then he finds Sentinel’s body in stasis and plans to mind control him before Optimus and Ratchet arrive to the moon something like that could’ve made Sentinel more of the victim than what the film offered
Nah, with Megatron it's more satisfying. Starting in DOTM, he'd see a reflection of his ruthlessness in Sentinel, and realize the monster he'd become. That's how I interpret it.
for me I actually prefer the altered ending in this movie because it feels realistic for me (that and I grew up with up with it) of course because in my opinion if I was betrayed by my mentor and k*lled my friend (Ironhide) in this case I would want my vengeance but I agree this ending feels realistic as well and I feel like it a perfect ending because Megatron gets a redemption and work with Optimus prime once again and Cybertron survives and Megatron goes to fix Cybertron and the Autobots stays on Earth and it just feels like a perfect ending for a trilogy.
Don't forget about the autobots that went against him on cybertron, I solely think those are the reasons megatron should been killed or atleast served some punishment worse than death for those killed in his reign especially brutally jazz
In the theatrical resease, they should have had Optimus say he would only agree to the truce if Megatron also agreed to answer for all he'd done and to be turned in to earth's authorities. Megatron would then go back on his word and attack Optimus, leading to prime destroying him. Cinematically, that would have made the most sense.
I always thought the "who would you be without me, Prime" line was directed at Sentinel since Megatron made a deal with Sentinel and was responsible for bringing him to Earth and that Optimus saying time to find out was to show how pathetic Sentinel really was. Kind of makes the killing feel less warranted now that I know the line was meant for Optimus. Also holy shit! That ending is so much better than what we got and actually caps off the first three films as a definitive trilogy, since it ends with the Autobots choosing Earth as their home.
I am glad I watched this it made me reevaluate my whole child hood and this is now the true ending for me and allows me to appreciate the bay films a little more at first I actually thought sentinel didn't deserve to die along with Megatron but I do now understand his death was kinda justified, but I still think megs should of survived too. I truly love this ending and I think dotm was the true end of the Micheal bay saga and that AOE and TLK was just a fever dream XD
I love the similarities in TF1 and in TF3. It would've been a good callback TF1: "We are here. We are waiting." -Optimus 2007 TF3: "We are here. We are Home." - Optimus 2011
This final ending would’ve been so much better, it would’ve wrapped the trilogy up perfectly and really add extra character to megatron as he was almost always second fiddle and with the original ending, he would’ve gotten a memorable moment
Honestly I prefer if they mixed both together. Both worked and I understand why Bay at the time in 2011 thought a possible 30 min long chat of Optimus and Megatron making a truce and coming to terms with one another would’ve been boring for people. You don’t just have Transformers fans who would’ve liked it but those who haven’t seen transformers or heard of it so they might’ve not liked it since this was the age of superhero movies with Thor, Iron Man, Captain America already out and the Avengers teased, everyone would’ve liked the whole Bad guy loses and good guy wins scenario. But I think IDW should have their contract renewed for transformers because they have made so many good comics and characters. But if they also wanna do other stories I think the deal should be they get breaks to work on their own stuff for a bit after a Transformers movie(if they do tie in comics) is made/released
When I was 8 years old when the movie came out, after hearing that line from Megatron. This Megatron in BayVerse, I was thinking of him as a villain but he was just trying to save Cybertron. I wish this be the final installment on how the Bayverse Transformers ended like. That I see villains as tragic characters who use to be heroes until someone else took their place or something else, Seeing Megatron like this in the third installment, I feel bad for him realizing he just wants to save Cybertron. If this ending happens in the movie, I think there won't be Transformers 4 and 5, with no Galvatron, of course, I won't forget about Lockdown, but I prefer Transformers: Dark of the Moon as the finale installment.
Interesting information on this video, I found the original death for Sentinel poetic. Also it was shame that order lead to AOT and TLK not having tie in comics. And kudos to animators for the scene with Optimus and Megatron. 🙂👍
With that original ending, it would literally show character development, but then again it would be like maneuvering a mountain-type difficult terrain to come up with an idea for the next transformer movies. The idea is very good without a doubt, but it would be cool seeing both ways, the one we have, and this original idea. It would be very interesting how different these two routes would be yet being a few minute difference around the ending can cause a massive gap. But I have a theory that if they did go with the "original idea" there is a chance it can go two ways. One is that DOTM would be the last movie, or two, Galvatron would be a completely different character compared to AOE. Option two more likely can go closer to the G1 route if I'm gonna be honest, I wonder what your guys thoughts are...
i absolutely remember that Michael Bay has STRESSED that DoTM will be the LAST Transformers movie he'll ever directed. It's why even in both endings it ends with such a conclusive story (Megatron leave/died) I truly believe that's why the quality dropped for AoE and TLK. he just don't want to do the movies anymore
I think Galvatron would've been a separate character from Megatron, like in some continuities. They could easily have used Galvatron as his replacement for the main villain role.
The Quintessons and Unicron are still out there. There was plenty left to.have villains for more films without using Megatron. Megatron could've been very interesting as something other than a villain. And no Transformers series should conclude before we get to the Dinobots. Grimlock at the very least is one of the top 5, maybe top 3, most essential Autobots for any continuity..
I've been waiting for someone to talk about the tf3 novel for so long. I remember my dad buying it for me from a bookstore and I immediately noticed that the endings were different, and even as a little kid I preferred the ending from the novel way more. The novel added way more context to some of the scenes that made it to the movie as well. Including Optimus actually figuring out that the decepticons were trying to use Sam to figure out their plan just from Sam saying "You can tell me, no other HUMAN will ever know". And Lennox's reaction to Optimus telling the Autobots to retreat for the first time. I wish I still had the novel, I may have to pick it up for old times sake.
10:08 omg imagine if this was the birth of galvatron except as a good guy instead of bad. Give us a galvatron that's taken the name as a sign of being born again on a path of redemption instead of just being a reborn evil Megatron. Would've been a great direction
I don't know if i like the alternate ending. I don't believe Megatron can ever be trusted. I don't believe Sentinel Prime can be trusted either. Once you head down that road, i can't see him turning and going back. For what Sentinel did to Ironhide....that can't be forgiven. So I'm glad he died like a dog, begging for his life. He shot Ironhide in the back like a coward, so screw him.
It's always Ironhide. I get it, everyone liked him. But he was just another casualty. No different from the other deaths, bot or con. But anyway it's as Optimus always believed: Every sentient has the capacity and should be given the chance for change.
@@BazookaIke it's fact. Just because he was loved doesn't make him different from any other death. They were all soldiers in a war and soldiers die in war. Just because one was on a certain side and liked, doesn't mean his life was more important
5:53 honestly... Kinda weird hearing prime say sentinal betrayed himself for teaming with Megatron ironically right after teaming with Megatron and making a deal...
in the next 6 years and 1 day and 5 months from now.....i`m going to use that parts,pain losing and the 2 in 1 loses quote for an important reason (if i`m still alive at that time as well as remember when it gets close to that time) and i gotta say almost what megatron said almost started leading me to tears. i mean the tone that he had suddenly touched more than 1 nerve also you had me at orion zaxus
They should of stuck with the original ending despite it getting leaked, which sounds to me like it was a freak accident. It would of made such of an amazing scene to see Optimus and Megatron finally stop fighting each other for as long as they have and make peace between one other. Plus, if Bay didn't give in to the demands of the studio and laid the franchise to rest like how he originally planned, it would of been so cool to wrap it all up with this scene and the original version of Optimus's speech at the end. Unfortunately, Bay's anger robbed us of this from happening on screen and he did give in to the demands and we got the two dog water movies that are Age Of Extinction and The Last Knight.🤦🏽♂️👍🏼
This channel is amazing and mind blowing 🙌🤯, I never knew that was supposed to be the original ending in dark of the moon 😱😮, absolutely incredible and really interesting, keep up the great and slick video Trans 💪🤲💯🙌, I can't wait for your next video to come out very soon.
I actually remembered watching the Amazing Atheist do a review on DOTM movie and even compared novel and found that the ending to the novel was to pacifist like as if there was no justice like Last of Us 2 and he considered that Michael Bay didn’t think that most of the viewers of the film would sit happily with the truce scene but rather a good guy win and bad guy dies trope.
When I was young I thought the ending to Dark Moon was okay even now. But seeing this, gave me a new perspective on the movie and to Megatron. Thank you for making this video @TransTheories
Was waiting eagerly for this vid to drop ever since you teased it and the end of another video a few weeks ago, didn't disappoint, I never knew that this alternate ending even existed. wished we could have seen this ending someday but thank you for this vid :) huge TF fan and this vid is great, years after the movie and im still learning new stuff :) can't wait to see what videos you have in store for us in the future :)
I always forget to comment on these. Awesome video. And also, a company called Skybound Entertainment will hold the Transformers comic license starting in 2023, so if Rise of the Beasts gets supplementary material, it will likely be through them.
As odd as it is they actually act completely different more so there show counterparts. I can't picture Michael bay having a single thought letting these two have a single conversation
Man with this ending and the original idea of Carly's plotline being for Mikayla would have made the film so much better. Would have been a perfect cap to the trilogy there, especially with Optimus and Prime reconciling and Optimus's full message at the end.
This ending is so much better, I love DOTM, but this would've been a more satisfying end to the original Bayformers trilogy, and honestly, there wouldn't need to be any sequels if this happened instead.
It's a shame we didn't get this ending that Megatron was probably my favourite design out them all And yet Optimus says "yeetus deleetus your head is beheaded"
Peter Cullen/optimus Prime/Nemesis Prime/Orion pax: "in any war, there are calms between storms. There will be days when we lose Faith. Days when our allies turn against us. But the day will never come that we forsake this planet & it's people. For I am optimus Prime, & I send this message to the universe: we are here, we are home."
Optimus killing both Sentinel and Megatron like that was totally justified to me. They both betrayed him, killed his friends, killed humans and were extremeley dangerous. Optimus went trough a lot in the movies and it looks like he had enough.
Holy shit this is LEAGUES better than what we actually got. I really like how retrospective both Optimus Prime and Megatron are in that they both realized the mistakes they made in their ambitions and are able to make a truce and swear to become better people. It really gave it the sense that they actually were brothers once and gives more depth into their history together. Whereas in the movie it’s just: Megatron: “Let’s make a truce” Optimus: “Lol no” *decapitates Megatron* Just needlessly violent to the point of being over-the-top and a very unsatisfying conclusion between Optimus Prime and Megatron. It also just comes off as very redundant when viewing the trilogy as a whole. Megatron dies in the first movie, gets resurrected in the second, and then dies again in the third movie… only to be resurrected again in the fourth movie, though I’ll be fair and mention that they weren’t planning to make a fourth. Maybe one day we’ll get a director’s cut of the film with this ending though I highly doubt Michael Bay will ever want to touch Transformers again. And with the amount of money it’ll take for the effects I doubt the studio wants to either.
7:56 Optimus : I am tired of your control. Megatron: And I tired of fighting. Even endless war ends sometime. I wish this was in the movie because very deep quotes about their relationship.
I couldn’t stand Sentinel. I’m glad he got killed off. Cowardly killing off Ironhide like that, nah, sentinel had to go. Personally I don’t care for any of the movies after RotF. The instrumental scores are the only things I like about all of the movies. Bay wants to complain about leaks, but he’s fine with continuity errors, visible equipment and/or crew, among other issues. Okay then. 🤷♀️
bro what the hell that ending was amazing and actually gave Megatron so much character development, I love DotM as much as the next guy but that should have been the ending
Quick question, would you consider the rotf,DOTM,aoe, and tlk toys canon to the movies because Stratosphere, the plane Prime rode in, has a toy even though he never transformed in the movie. If so, would you mind making videos of the transformers.
I would love to see Optimus brutally killing Lockdown since Lockdown has murdered several Autobots. I also want Galvatron helping prime to kill Lockdown. Lockdown would ask for mercy, Optimus would say to him "you without mercy now plead for it, I thought you were made of sternal stuff" and kills lockdown with his sword.
I haven't read the novels, but i think a good video idea would be a comparison between the differences of the novels and movies (if there are any like this)
I actually love the ending and everything about it but the thing is about ironite Wheeljack was kind of messed up same thing with Target and Ratchet they all died which was kind of sad but it's whatever I love every single Transformer movie out there so yeah kind of still miss them all
Wow. I which I can see the original ending from Transformers dark of the moon. Optimus Prime and Megatron vs Sentinel Prime. Optimus and Megatron agree the same idea and the war was over.The be nice to see 🙏🙏🙏
Have you seen The Fire Brothers' theory regarding how the Autobots split up to evade Cemetary Wind? It involved a cut scene from Age of Extinction set in an abandoned power plant, where Bumblebee and Leadfoot's vehicle modes were spotted on set. If so, I believe you could make a "cleaned up" version of that theory that better aligns with what you have established.
in my opinion optimus killing both of them was more than fair, they caused millions of deaths, ruined autobots reputation to humans, killing some of his friends and a lot of other things so they getting executed was more than fair
For years I always felt the ending was off...man I would have preferred this ending than the one we got. This would have been hands down the absolute best
Great video as always Trans, but if you do cover how the Autobot's were evil (2:19) I really hope you cover the minor things from the other related films and comics (That are still canon in the Bayverse at least, In Order) Like how Sideswipe killed Sideways in cold blood. With there even being a deleted scene showcasing his death in a more gruesome way (Would also probably add how the Arcee Triplets tried to kill Sideways too. Maybe even how Prime executed Grindor, Demolisher and the Fallen. Prime stating he'd never accept Shockwaves surrender in the Dark of the Moon comic. During Dark of the Moon when the Wreckers tear apart the protoform decepticon pilot by limbs. Right before Ratchet and Bee attack the last pillar, Sideswipe and the Wreckers gang up on a Devcon Oreo-Bot's death from AOE In AOE, when Drift was 1v2ing two Stinger clones and after killing one of them, the other surrendered but Drift still executed him And finally in TLK, Onslaught and Mowhawks death!
I get why Optimus killed Sentinel because Sentinel killed Ironhide but I don't get why Megatron I mean yeah he killed your first lieutenant but he wanted to join you.
I would like to state my opinion about why Optimus killed Megatron quickly after Megs mentioned a truce. Because it was the same deal that Sentinel made with him. Which to Optimus it would be another cycle ready to repeat itself. But Prime wasn't gonna let that happen
i can honestly see why optimus killed them like that 1 sentinel betrayed his entire mission and killed ironhide, 2 megatron destroyed cybertron , killed jazz, killed optimus himself, and tried to destroy the sun
No wonder why the Megatron Death was so distasteful to me. Its not a prime thing to do. Where is the honor in doing that? Where is the good and stand to inspir to in doing that?
Tbh I would’ve killed him too, would you trust the being that started a war on your home planet? And tried to enslave a whole race? And literally killed you before? Regardless of the honor, he had to go
Megs: Alright, I give up. Let's call it a truce, there is nothing more to fight over. Optimus prime: I'm not falling for this lie! Megs: WAIT NO NO I AINT LYING! ARGGH-
I love this original ending. It kinda shows they have a Magneto/Professor X dynamic. I feel like Optimus will still keep a close eye on Megatron to see if he can deliver on his promise
That novel ending should've stayed in the movie. Instead the change that would have improved the movie is less human scenes. P.S. Maybe Marvel will ironacly enough get to publish transformers comics again. Very unlikely, but it would be great.
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Age Of Extinction & Last Knight would’ve been entirely different with this alternate ending
Yeah they would have been good
Very true
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@@TheRedAutoBotsForce if Megatron went back to cybertron there would be no galvitron
I would’ve loved to see a 2 v 1 fight between Megatron, Optimus and Sentinel.
Also the irony of Sentinel dying to the rust canon that he used to kill Ironhide is a nice touch.
The final talk between Prime and Megatron is one of the few examples of genuinely good writing in this franchise, such a shame it was cut. But at least we can still see it in other ways
Sentinel was not killed by his cosmic rust cannon, Optimus Prime kills Megatron, and uses Megatron’s gun to kill sentinel. Prime later uses Megatron’s gun in AOE when he was in his his evasion mode.
@@RAPrimeYTThey’re talking about the novel version where he did die by his cosmic rust cannon.
Sentinel's death was far more justified unlike Megatron's
Sentinel is the worst
Totally understandable we felt something fishy
Depends how you look at it though. Megatron plunging Cybertron into war or sentinel betraying the autobots and trying to kill an entire planet.
I mean, Megatron is literally space Hitler.
@@thegermanfool8953
At least with a war, you're not killing off literally every single species on the planet
Michael Bay: *Trying to make The Transformers films good*
Literally everyone: I'm gonna stop you right there
I can relate
And then they call him a trash director -_-
I wish people would give him a chance more...
His direction is really, but the scripts they make up for him suck
@@cowicial5674 he is
In a way, it was Amazon’s fault that dotm had to go with an ass ending.
I genuinely believe that if dotm had gone ahead with the original ending and Michael Bay kept Megan Fox, it would have been the best movie out of all bayverse films.
ooh yeah the fact they removed megan fox ruined the movie for me
@@yak4168 why did she get removed ? Im pretty sure around that time,there was a rumors about both Shia and Megan was dating so getting then together was seems a nice chemistry for the couple
@@thatayrellguy3023 well i cant say for sure because i dont know ill do some research but from memory im pretty sure there was sexist claims to how she was portrayed (bullshit if u ask me)
apoligies im wrong i looked it up and its because she made some kinda mean statments about him, things like hes incredible socially awkward and hes also like hitler on set so yeah speilber made him fire her.
@@yak4168 basically, she didn’t like Michael Bay, called him those things and Michael decided to fire her. It’s something along those lines.
@@DeadstreaK_ pretty much bang on
I think the reason that he killed Megatron and Sentinel when they gave up was because Optimus didn't want any more betrayal in his life. Megatron already betrayed him once what are the chances that he will again? And I think that Optimus now knowing that anyone can betray you in war he executed Sentinel. And the next time someone that he trust betrays him, he'll just rip off their face just like he did with The Fallen.
Understandable. Although megatron would still be trust worthy if he does what he promise. But for movie megatron he’s not really trust worthy. Heck in AOE he was playing dead so he can manipulated KSI and Dej- I mean KSI, building him a new body that looks like megatron than Optimus prime which KSI wanted to do and Megatron again took control over Galvatron and he also took control of the KSI drones
@@LightningZetton "KSI and Dej-" Why do I get the KSI youtuber vibes from this
Bruh, if they had a Loki/Thor relationship then it would be good
Well you are not wrong because you can really see that optimus changed in the 4th and 5th films because he has always been fighting for the humans and they betrayed him and killed his fellow autobots thats why he was done with the humans and in the 5th film he went back to cybertron
Understandable characterization is different from good characterization. The whole point of a "hero" is that they do what's morally right, regardless of their feelings & motivations.
Optimus choosing to forgive Megatron, his enemy, immediately after being screwed over by his "sensei", Sentinel, has a much stronger emotional impact than just offing him, because it would show that his willing to put aside his emotions for the sake of making a morally good choice. It's a facet of the character that was established waaay back in G1, but the '07 continuity completely lacked.
They changed him from Superman into The Punisher, and I don't think that was the right choice.
Wow… that alternate ending is indeed a better ending for the film. I always thought Megatron’s death was uncalled for since he saved Optimus a few moments ago. Also Sentinel dying to his cosmic rust cannon is definitely better he got a taste of his own medicine rip ironhide. :’)
Megatron in the movie beat Sentinel for his own selfish goal. The context behind it is very different than the novel.
To me Dark of The Moon is the true ending to the Bayverse, like I enjoyed AOE and Mark Wahlberg, but to me this is the true end to the story, and the original version of the story is SOOO much better! 🤯
what about bumblebee tho
@@huey6248 That is a reboot of the Transformers Films! So "Transformers Rise Of The Beasts" is now "The new Transformers 1" :), (Or at the very least Transformers 2 😅)
YESSS
@@Bmontepeque11 I kinda agree. I mean, the first 3 actually have continuity.
- In the first one: they had the allspark, which got destroyed at the end, but not entirely
- In the second one: they had 2 small pieces of the allspark, and the matrix of leadership was introduced
- In the third one: the allspark was no longer mentioned, but still had the matrix
- In the fourth one: neither of the 2 are mentioned or referenced
Also agree with that. Bumblebee was a reboot, not a continuation of the story the Bayverse had.
That's why I never got why they keep calling Rise of the Beasts Transformers 7.
@@HandlesTheCyberman Although Optimus and the other Autobots didn't arrive to Earth until Bayformers 1, yet they arrived in the '80s in Bumblebee.
I’m glad to find someone who also thinks that DotM is the best Bayverse movie.
Let's gooo 👍
Honestly, my first ever transformers movie ever, and because of that movie, I started enjoying transformers and getting into it.
For me it goes 1 and 3 everything else is bad
In terms of the sequels, DOTM is the best
@@TheOutsider1115 yeah for real. But I liked rotf more bc its just more fun to watch with all the action
Man idk if I blame Amazon or Bay and the Studio…. I blame Amazon, not for making me wait for months to get recent TF toys but to spoiler the movie and make the movie change at the last second due to their errors… I understand why Prime killed megatron at first he’s not really trust worthy but with the original ending I would’ve see this as a heart to heart moment between the two brothers similar to Sandman and Peter in Spdierman 3. But yeah it’s really sad that the good ending was changed. Nice video bro and can’t wait to see more
I see your comments in a lot of Bayverse related videos I also agree with your comment.
Turns out the true main enemy of the Transformers is not Unicron, but Amazon.
honestly Amazon is barely to blame here since it was a glitch... the sam way you can blame people who spoiled this ending online.
@@nieznajomy4398 fr I blame people for sharing it
In all honesty Bay had a pretty big ego at the time, so I'm not really surprised he was upset about it
There might be some justification for Optimus’s actions from a writing perspective. Throughout the films, even if the writing is nothing to be too proud of, one idea I thought was really cool is how gradually more jaded Optimus becomes as the wars go on. Lots of friends lost in senseless violence, and now his mentor has become everything they’ve been fighting. That’s gotta make a guy like him break. That’s most evident in Age of Extinction where he seems so traumatized his first instinct is to threaten humans unlike the compassion he showed before (but he only talks, never actually does anything which shows his true nature is still there). I guess he kinda adopts a “too dangerous to be left alive” mentality, too broken to have second thoughts. But he still feels guilty. And with Megatron, it’s easy to see where he’s coming from. He stopped Sentinel for his own personal gain, his call for a truce is backhanded and underwhelming, immediately followed by the implication that Prime is nothing without him even though he’s a power hungry psychopath who ruined their home. I think I can see why he did it, even if it was executed in a clunky way in the film.
I honestly both versions, but I would like to see a deleted scene of this version, I would like to see the look on Sentinel prime's face as he rust to death just like he did to the best bot of the bayverse, Justice for Ironhide. It would also be nice to see this conversation in the film expressing their ideals and what it cost them. It would also be good for prime to not act like a psychopath and ripping heads/faces off even though i loved that scene.
YES! Hope the anniversary comes up
I also both versions
Sentinel also made skids and mudflad rust to death
"3 will stand one will fall" God that's a fantastic line!.
I've always hated the ending of dotm for how it just stops with no proper ending. I never even realised how BOTH megatron and sentinel were pleading for a truce damn..
That makes no sense
@@Tomi-berry what
Who is the third one who will stand, though? 🤔
@@TFIta369 the three of them will stand and one will die (sentinel)
@@novustalks7525 I thought about that but the original saying since 1986 is "one shall stand, one shall fall", implying only the winner "will stand", thus, wouldn't it have been more proper for Megatron to say "Two shall stand, one will [edit: shall] fall" instead?
Honestly though seeing sentinel with a chance for redemption would've been cool and they could've done that instead of megs
I actually thought of Shockwave mind controlling Sentinel like Shockwave or the dreads like in the novels could’ve led the operation to get to the moon and plant the hundreds of pillars and then he finds Sentinel’s body in stasis and plans to mind control him before Optimus and Ratchet arrive to the moon something like that could’ve made Sentinel more of the victim than what the film offered
@@pbk224 if Megs could be redeemed then anyone can
@@OneWithNoFace Mind you Megs was all for a plan to destroy earths sun without any consideration of the inhabitants of the solar system it was in.
@@brandonlyon730 he was doing it to save his race. Like Sam said: No sacrifice no victory
Nah, with Megatron it's more satisfying. Starting in DOTM, he'd see a reflection of his ruthlessness in Sentinel, and realize the monster he'd become. That's how I interpret it.
for me I actually prefer the altered ending in this movie because it feels realistic for me (that and I grew up with up with it) of course because in my opinion if I was betrayed by my mentor and k*lled my friend (Ironhide) in this case I would want my vengeance but I agree this ending feels realistic as well and I feel like it a perfect ending because Megatron gets a redemption and work with Optimus prime once again and Cybertron survives and Megatron goes to fix Cybertron and the Autobots stays on Earth and it just feels like a perfect ending for a trilogy.
I Agree
Man I love DOTM but I never liked the ending that much bc it felt so abrupt, this ending is so much better.
Yeah the ending was obviously rushed.
"There will only be one"
"And it won't be you"
Honestly I would've loved to hear this line no matter which ending, it's so badass
optimus and megatron team up, Megatron character development. This ending would have broken the internet
This ending makes sense but take in accountability that Megatron legit ripped Jazz in ½ and Jazz was still alive during that
Don't forget about the autobots that went against him on cybertron, I solely think those are the reasons megatron should been killed or atleast served some punishment worse than death for those killed in his reign especially brutally jazz
In the theatrical resease, they should have had Optimus say he would only agree to the truce if Megatron also agreed to answer for all he'd done and to be turned in to earth's authorities. Megatron would then go back on his word and attack Optimus, leading to prime destroying him. Cinematically, that would have made the most sense.
Fun fact the original ending was actually from the comic(which is a early version of DOTM)
I always thought the "who would you be without me, Prime" line was directed at Sentinel since Megatron made a deal with Sentinel and was responsible for bringing him to Earth and that Optimus saying time to find out was to show how pathetic Sentinel really was. Kind of makes the killing feel less warranted now that I know the line was meant for Optimus.
Also holy shit! That ending is so much better than what we got and actually caps off the first three films as a definitive trilogy, since it ends with the Autobots choosing Earth as their home.
I am glad I watched this it made me reevaluate my whole child hood and this is now the true ending for me and allows me to appreciate the bay films a little more at first I actually thought sentinel didn't deserve to die along with Megatron but I do now understand his death was kinda justified, but I still think megs should of survived too. I truly love this ending and I think dotm was the true end of the Micheal bay saga and that AOE and TLK was just a fever dream XD
Amen 🤘
@@Theorymus :D
Same.
@@TheorymusI miss Jazz and Ironhide
I actually like the original ending better, but the "I am Optimus Prime" line would've been the perfect ending to the movie
I love the similarities in TF1 and in TF3. It would've been a good callback
TF1: "We are here. We are waiting."
-Optimus 2007
TF3: "We are here. We are Home."
- Optimus 2011
Wow, that would have been an amazing ending. Makes you wonder what would have happened in the other sequels.
It would’ve been amazing if Megatron and Optimus agreed to live together and learn and such… would’ve been a great ending.
This ending is WAY better than what we got.
This final ending would’ve been so much better, it would’ve wrapped the trilogy up perfectly and really add extra character to megatron as he was almost always second fiddle and with the original ending, he would’ve gotten a memorable moment
Honestly I prefer if they mixed both together. Both worked and I understand why Bay at the time in 2011 thought a possible 30 min long chat of Optimus and Megatron making a truce and coming to terms with one another would’ve been boring for people. You don’t just have Transformers fans who would’ve liked it but those who haven’t seen transformers or heard of it so they might’ve not liked it since this was the age of superhero movies with Thor, Iron Man, Captain America already out and the Avengers teased, everyone would’ve liked the whole Bad guy loses and good guy wins scenario. But I think IDW should have their contract renewed for transformers because they have made so many good comics and characters. But if they also wanna do other stories I think the deal should be they get breaks to work on their own stuff for a bit after a Transformers movie(if they do tie in comics) is made/released
When I was 8 years old when the movie came out, after hearing that line from Megatron. This Megatron in BayVerse, I was thinking of him as a villain but he was just trying to save Cybertron. I wish this be the final installment on how the Bayverse Transformers ended like. That I see villains as tragic characters who use to be heroes until someone else took their place or something else, Seeing Megatron like this in the third installment, I feel bad for him realizing he just wants to save Cybertron. If this ending happens in the movie, I think there won't be Transformers 4 and 5, with no Galvatron, of course, I won't forget about Lockdown, but I prefer Transformers: Dark of the Moon as the finale installment.
Interesting information on this video, I found the original death for Sentinel poetic. Also it was shame that order lead to AOT and TLK not having tie in comics. And kudos to animators for the scene with Optimus and Megatron. 🙂👍
With that original ending, it would literally show character development, but then again it would be like maneuvering a mountain-type difficult terrain to come up with an idea for the next transformer movies. The idea is very good without a doubt, but it would be cool seeing both ways, the one we have, and this original idea. It would be very interesting how different these two routes would be yet being a few minute difference around the ending can cause a massive gap. But I have a theory that if they did go with the "original idea" there is a chance it can go two ways. One is that DOTM would be the last movie, or two, Galvatron would be a completely different character compared to AOE. Option two more likely can go closer to the G1 route if I'm gonna be honest, I wonder what your guys thoughts are...
i absolutely remember that Michael Bay has STRESSED that DoTM will be the LAST Transformers movie he'll ever directed. It's why even in both endings it ends with such a conclusive story (Megatron leave/died)
I truly believe that's why the quality dropped for AoE and TLK. he just don't want to do the movies anymore
I think Galvatron would've been a separate character from Megatron, like in some continuities. They could easily have used Galvatron as his replacement for the main villain role.
The Quintessons and Unicron are still out there. There was plenty left to.have villains for more films without using Megatron. Megatron could've been very interesting as something other than a villain. And no Transformers series should conclude before we get to the Dinobots. Grimlock at the very least is one of the top 5, maybe top 3, most essential Autobots for any continuity..
I've been waiting for someone to talk about the tf3 novel for so long. I remember my dad buying it for me from a bookstore and I immediately noticed that the endings were different, and even as a little kid I preferred the ending from the novel way more. The novel added way more context to some of the scenes that made it to the movie as well. Including Optimus actually figuring out that the decepticons were trying to use Sam to figure out their plan just from Sam saying "You can tell me, no other HUMAN will ever know". And Lennox's reaction to Optimus telling the Autobots to retreat for the first time. I wish I still had the novel, I may have to pick it up for old times sake.
I never even learned about the different ending until recently. Definitely want to read the novel.
Dark of the moon is the best transformers movie imo
So basically the ending to Predacons Rising? Yeah, I definitely would've preferred this ending for DOTM
I’m getting teared up hearing that scrapped ending cause that’s a way better ending and I could imagine what it would look like if it was real
10:08 omg imagine if this was the birth of galvatron except as a good guy instead of bad. Give us a galvatron that's taken the name as a sign of being born again on a path of redemption instead of just being a reborn evil Megatron. Would've been a great direction
Agreed
You mean to tell me the one time Michael Bay tried to do Transformers some justice, he gets stopped by the fans??
Bro.
This is why the fandom are the worst sometimes
Megatron- saves Optimus
Optimus- and I took that personally.
I don't know if i like the alternate ending. I don't believe Megatron can ever be trusted. I don't believe Sentinel Prime can be trusted either. Once you head down that road, i can't see him turning and going back. For what Sentinel did to Ironhide....that can't be forgiven. So I'm glad he died like a dog, begging for his life. He shot Ironhide in the back like a coward, so screw him.
It's always Ironhide. I get it, everyone liked him. But he was just another casualty. No different from the other deaths, bot or con. But anyway it's as Optimus always believed: Every sentient has the capacity and should be given the chance for change.
@@OneWithNoFace that's your opinion not mine. Ironhide was not just another casualty.
@@BazookaIke it's fact. Just because he was loved doesn't make him different from any other death. They were all soldiers in a war and soldiers die in war. Just because one was on a certain side and liked, doesn't mean his life was more important
@@OneWithNoFace the only fact here is that you're an ldiot.
@@OneWithNoFace and just because Megatron wants redemption, doesn’t mean he deserves to be redeemed
8:52 God I would love a Megatron redemption arc with a new enemy faction
5:53 honestly... Kinda weird hearing prime say sentinal betrayed himself for teaming with Megatron ironically right after teaming with Megatron and making a deal...
in the next 6 years and 1 day and 5 months from now.....i`m going to use that parts,pain losing and the 2 in 1 loses quote for an important reason (if i`m still alive at that time as well as remember when it gets close to that time) and i gotta say almost what megatron said almost started leading me to tears. i mean the tone that he had suddenly touched more than 1 nerve
also you had me at orion zaxus
They should of stuck with the original ending despite it getting leaked, which sounds to me like it was a freak accident. It would of made such of an amazing scene to see Optimus and Megatron finally stop fighting each other for as long as they have and make peace between one other. Plus, if Bay didn't give in to the demands of the studio and laid the franchise to rest like how he originally planned, it would of been so cool to wrap it all up with this scene and the original version of Optimus's speech at the end. Unfortunately, Bay's anger robbed us of this from happening on screen and he did give in to the demands and we got the two dog water movies that are Age Of Extinction and The Last Knight.🤦🏽♂️👍🏼
"Three will stand One will fall" is such a good line
This channel is amazing and mind blowing 🙌🤯, I never knew that was supposed to be the original ending in dark of the moon 😱😮, absolutely incredible and really interesting, keep up the great and slick video Trans 💪🤲💯🙌, I can't wait for your next video to come out very soon.
Thx my guy 👍
I like that additional line to the speech. Makes sense
I actually remembered watching the Amazing Atheist do a review on DOTM movie and even compared novel and found that the ending to the novel was to pacifist like as if there was no justice like Last of Us 2 and he considered that Michael Bay didn’t think that most of the viewers of the film would sit happily with the truce scene but rather a good guy win and bad guy dies trope.
Another amazing video
When I was young I thought the ending to Dark Moon was okay even now. But seeing this, gave me a new perspective on the movie and to Megatron. Thank you for making this video @TransTheories
Was waiting eagerly for this vid to drop ever since you teased it and the end of another video a few weeks ago, didn't disappoint, I never knew that this alternate ending even existed. wished we could have seen this ending someday but thank you for this vid :) huge TF fan and this vid is great, years after the movie and im still learning new stuff :)
can't wait to see what videos you have in store for us in the future :)
Anytime man 👍
I always forget to comment on these. Awesome video. And also, a company called Skybound Entertainment will hold the Transformers comic license starting in 2023, so if Rise of the Beasts gets supplementary material, it will likely be through them.
Awesome, Thaks for letting me know!
As a kid, I remember reading the DoTM novelization where this ending is retained. Maybe 2012? Since then, I've wished this ending had been kept.
As odd as it is they actually act completely different more so there show counterparts. I can't picture Michael bay having a single thought letting these two have a single conversation
WOW! Megatron making peace with Optimus is so powerful
I still like the alternative ending
Man with this ending and the original idea of Carly's plotline being for Mikayla would have made the film so much better. Would have been a perfect cap to the trilogy there, especially with Optimus and Prime reconciling and Optimus's full message at the end.
This ending is so much better, I love DOTM, but this would've been a more satisfying end to the original Bayformers trilogy, and honestly, there wouldn't need to be any sequels if this happened instead.
7:20 okay but that Optimus impression is amazing
It's a shame we didn't get this ending that Megatron was probably my favourite design out them all
And yet Optimus says "yeetus deleetus your head is beheaded"
Whomever Did The Optimus &
Megatron Voices in MAYA-CGI
Renders, Did An AMAZING Job!!
Peter Cullen/optimus Prime/Nemesis Prime/Orion pax: "in any war, there are calms between storms. There will be days when we lose Faith. Days when our allies turn against us. But the day will never come that we forsake this planet & it's people. For I am optimus Prime, & I send this message to the universe: we are here, we are home."
Leo nimoy/Sentinel Prime: "always the bravest of us, optimus!" "But you could never make the hard decisions!" "Our planet will survive!"
Optimus killing both Sentinel and Megatron like that was totally justified to me. They both betrayed him, killed his friends, killed humans and were extremeley dangerous. Optimus went trough a lot in the movies and it looks like he had enough.
Holy shit this is LEAGUES better than what we actually got. I really like how retrospective both Optimus Prime and Megatron are in that they both realized the mistakes they made in their ambitions and are able to make a truce and swear to become better people. It really gave it the sense that they actually were brothers once and gives more depth into their history together. Whereas in the movie it’s just:
Megatron: “Let’s make a truce”
Optimus: “Lol no” *decapitates Megatron*
Just needlessly violent to the point of being over-the-top and a very unsatisfying conclusion between Optimus Prime and Megatron. It also just comes off as very redundant when viewing the trilogy as a whole. Megatron dies in the first movie, gets resurrected in the second, and then dies again in the third movie… only to be resurrected again in the fourth movie, though I’ll be fair and mention that they weren’t planning to make a fourth.
Maybe one day we’ll get a director’s cut of the film with this ending though I highly doubt Michael Bay will ever want to touch Transformers again. And with the amount of money it’ll take for the effects I doubt the studio wants to either.
7:56
Optimus : I am tired of your control.
Megatron: And I tired of fighting. Even endless war ends sometime.
I wish this was in the movie because very deep quotes about their relationship.
I couldn’t stand Sentinel. I’m glad he got killed off. Cowardly killing off Ironhide like that, nah, sentinel had to go. Personally I don’t care for any of the movies after RotF. The instrumental scores are the only things I like about all of the movies. Bay wants to complain about leaks, but he’s fine with continuity errors, visible equipment and/or crew, among other issues. Okay then. 🤷♀️
This is amazing man
Thx
Wow the unchanged ending is better then the edited one we got.
bro what the hell that ending was amazing and actually gave Megatron so much character development, I love DotM as much as the next guy but that should have been the ending
Maybe the inuniversc of why he killed them was for the bots they killed megatron killing jazz back in 2007 and sentinel prime for ironhide
clicked on this soley for the hilarious channel name. thank you brother
Anytime
They really should've kept the original ending. So Optimus wouldn't be a complete psychopath, and see that he still had more goodness in his spark.
I can see him killing sentinel because he had betrayed him and killed iron hide, but megatron and Optimus should have ended in a truce.
Quick question, would you consider the rotf,DOTM,aoe, and tlk toys canon to the movies because Stratosphere, the plane Prime rode in, has a toy even though he never transformed in the movie. If so, would you mind making videos of the transformers.
I don't think they are, they are more or less dlc
@@Theorymus trans I think Optimus killed megs and sentinal because to get revenge for ironhide and the twins
I would love to see Optimus brutally killing Lockdown since Lockdown has murdered several Autobots. I also want Galvatron helping prime to kill Lockdown. Lockdown would ask for mercy, Optimus would say to him "you without mercy now plead for it, I thought you were made of sternal stuff" and kills lockdown with his sword.
I haven't read the novels, but i think a good video idea would be a comparison between the differences of the novels and movies (if there are any like this)
I actually love the ending and everything about it but the thing is about ironite Wheeljack was kind of messed up same thing with Target and Ratchet they all died which was kind of sad but it's whatever I love every single Transformer movie out there so yeah kind of still miss them all
Wow. I which I can see the original ending from Transformers dark of the moon.
Optimus Prime and Megatron vs Sentinel Prime.
Optimus and Megatron agree the same idea and the war was over.The be nice to see 🙏🙏🙏
What makes this even more frustrating is that they could've actually used this concept for The Last Knight's ending, but didn't.
Damn the actors for Megatron and Prime sound really good
Was Shockwave ever once the main villain of the movie or was that all just a marketing diversion?
Marketing diversion
@@Theorymus have you heard about the Starscream lives mid credits scenes
Have you seen The Fire Brothers' theory regarding how the Autobots split up to evade Cemetary Wind? It involved a cut scene from Age of Extinction set in an abandoned power plant, where Bumblebee and Leadfoot's vehicle modes were spotted on set. If so, I believe you could make a "cleaned up" version of that theory that better aligns with what you have established.
In my opinion I think that the final ending was pretty bad ass to me
“We were brothers once” hits different now.
in my opinion optimus killing both of them was more than fair, they caused millions of deaths, ruined autobots reputation to humans, killing some of his friends and a lot of other things so they getting executed was more than fair
I have long defended that ending, both megs and sentinel deserved punishment. Give evil quarter and they will return stronger to try again
For years I always felt the ending was off...man I would have preferred this ending than the one we got. This would have been hands down the absolute best
This ending is so much better than the movie, Evan though I really like this movie
Great video as always Trans, but if you do cover how the Autobot's were evil (2:19) I really hope you cover the minor things from the other related films and comics (That are still canon in the Bayverse at least, In Order)
Like how Sideswipe killed Sideways in cold blood. With there even being a deleted scene showcasing his death in a more gruesome way (Would also probably add how the Arcee Triplets tried to kill Sideways too.
Maybe even how Prime executed Grindor, Demolisher and the Fallen.
Prime stating he'd never accept Shockwaves surrender in the Dark of the Moon comic.
During Dark of the Moon when the Wreckers tear apart the protoform decepticon pilot by limbs.
Right before Ratchet and Bee attack the last pillar, Sideswipe and the Wreckers gang up on a Devcon
Oreo-Bot's death from AOE
In AOE, when Drift was 1v2ing two Stinger clones and after killing one of them, the other surrendered but Drift still executed him
And finally in TLK, Onslaught and Mowhawks death!
I am here bc of PointlessHub (and why couldn’t we get this ending for dark of the moon, it pisses me off 😭😭😭😭)
I get why Optimus killed Sentinel because Sentinel killed Ironhide but I don't get why Megatron I mean yeah he killed your first lieutenant but he wanted to join you.
@@romaralexander2330 True but feel give megrathron chance would be justify not say need be forgive like that but him talk with prime would be good
@@romaralexander2330 true
I would like to state my opinion about why Optimus killed Megatron quickly after Megs mentioned a truce. Because it was the same deal that Sentinel made with him. Which to Optimus it would be another cycle ready to repeat itself. But Prime wasn't gonna let that happen
From reading the dotm novel, I prefer that ending than Optimus killing and finishing him
i can honestly see why optimus killed them like that 1 sentinel betrayed his entire mission and killed ironhide, 2 megatron destroyed cybertron , killed jazz, killed optimus himself, and tried to destroy the sun
No wonder why the Megatron Death was so distasteful to me. Its not a prime thing to do. Where is the honor in doing that? Where is the good and stand to inspir to in doing that?
Tbh I would’ve killed him too, would you trust the being that started a war on your home planet? And tried to enslave a whole race? And literally killed you before? Regardless of the honor, he had to go
I wasn’t expecting the novel’s ending to be so damn good. Imma go watch gen 1 now to feel better lol
so im not the only one that was confused that megatron died so extremely fast
Megs: Alright, I give up. Let's call it a truce, there is nothing more to fight over.
Optimus prime: I'm not falling for this lie!
Megs: WAIT NO NO I AINT LYING! ARGGH-
I love this original ending. It kinda shows they have a Magneto/Professor X dynamic. I feel like Optimus will still keep a close eye on Megatron to see if he can deliver on his promise
This is the best example of something that got ruined because of leaks
That novel ending should've stayed in the movie. Instead the change that would have improved the movie is less human scenes.
P.S. Maybe Marvel will ironacly enough get to publish transformers comics again. Very unlikely, but it would be great.