I have a New Diamond C just like yours except 40 ft, F350 - hitch ball is centered over axle , Smooth as glass even with a light load. Never any buck, Heavy suspension on Pickup plus the Heavy like yours on trailer, 14ply 16 inch tires though. trailer weight is around 8900 but I carry alot of rigging and chains. Absolutely Love my combination of truck and trailer ! You sold me on the trailer but it did take almost 3 months to get it custom built. You've got one of the Best channels going.
To truly eliminate the variables load up that same exact load and tow it with the 5500. That will narrows it down scientifically to the truck vs the trailer. Really hope you get it figured buddy
So I have a Diamond C also, mine is 38' deck and it bounces too! My issue is with the expansion joints in concrete roads, it turns into like a 'harmonic' affect which is much worse when tongue loaded! I also tow it with Ram 3500, but i think issue is with the trailer and not truck! At first I thought it was axle spacing between trailer and truck and they where setting up a balanced 'bump' between the two 'harmonics' but unless the expansion joints are equally spaced on every road, I don't think it's that! My second guess is the 'torque tube' creating the bounce to the rear of the truck. The torque tube absorbing the trailer axle shock from the bump and transmitting it forward to tongue bounce! My previous trailer had been PJ , shorter bed and no torque tube and I didn't experience the bouncing near as bad with it! If you know the people at Diamond C, it would sure be nice if you get their opinion on it and see if there is anything that can be done to help us! Was kind of wondering if that air bagged hitch attachment you have helped at all?
I would try switching out the gooseneck ball. Mine had just enough slop in it that made the difference. It was recommended from my trailer dealer. Didnt make sense logistically but it did fix my problem
I had the same problem with my goose, turned out the front of the trailer was a little to high when connected so most of the weight was on the rear tires regardless of load and tongue weight! So hitting a bump would load the front axle hard then unload causing a front to back (humping) motion !
My guess it’s the hydro dovetail. Our has a nasty buck to it on any sort of bump. And it’s the build setup. Vs our old ramp set up without it. Chances are when you loaded it heavy, and chained the backhalf to the equipment is why the ride got better.
It could be the arch in the trailer I used to pull a 16 wheel low bed and a aluminum flat bed with arches if you don't get the load and weight just right it will beet you pretty bad. Even with air ride suspension on truck. Lowbed and and flatbed drivers learn how to load different loads and make it ride more comfortable. I think with the arch, it being a goose neck and the tail being longer and heavier makes it more violent. The three combined fight each other as it flexes while bouncing on the rough Cali roads. A longer trailer could help just like longer wheel base semi trucks ride smoother because the longer frame soaks up more of the rough ride. Plus the longer the deck the tail weight and length makes the fulcrum effect more in the favor of your drive axle on truck.
My car trailer is a 20ft 10k tilt deck and it bucks pretty good when it's empty. When I first bought it, I was pretty upset about it. I've replaced the shocks on my truck for an unrelated issue, and that actually helped quite a bit. With weight on it, it rides like it's not even there.
Try swapping the tires from the old trailer to the new trailer and see if that makes a difference I say try that first before buying new tires because I had that issue before with an older trailer and it was the tires on the trailer
lots of good comments and ideas. I would try same load between both truck to rule out the trailer or not. I like the idea of the difference between the ball mount from the axle on the trucks, and the ball height between the two truck. I'm sure that long dove tail come into play with load placement. good luck hope you get it figured out. Stay safe out there too
I used to own a similar trailer from a different manufacturer. It's the hydraulic ramp overhang. Tow when it's empty on a bumpy road and watch it flop like a fish outta water. Hope this helps.
@@williamuskoski1385 I have this same trailer and yes the latch is a different style because it cams over and eliminates a release mechanism, but that makes no difference about the tail "hop". Yes when towing it is continually bouncing - you can go back there by hand when empty and get it bouncing pretty good, and im not even that strong
@@VBELTandSON you can be surprised on stuff that come lose fast. Had I had a new trailer off dealer and the u-bolts and leaf spring bolts where had come lose and tweeked things
Softer suspension of the 3500 is likely absorbing the bounce that the 5500's stiffer suspension is reacting to. Airbags on the truck will help, but the bounce is likely coming from the trailer suspension and the engineered beam isn't allowing any flex through the trailer like the traditional frame does. I'd start off with the airbags on the truck, then consider shocks on the trailer axles.
Damn , that is a sharp looking truck Sam , maybe a personal thing but duelly’s don’t look complete with out a full set of mud flaps! Probably just me !!! 🤠 keep the videos coming , love the truck resto films , really looking forward to seeing how the green truck turns out !!
Sam, have you actually gone to the Cat scales at a truck stop and weighed your axles unloaded and loaded with various pieces of equipment. If not, doing so may help you determine precise placement of your equipment. You might also try to mount your camera under your chassis and aim it at the rear suspension of the truck. This could give you an idea of what is going on under there that may not be static loading but perhaps dynamic, unplanned forces.
Not enough weight on trail suspension. And the 5500 has a stiffer rear spring. So when the load is forward the suspension isn’t really doing what it’s supposed to do. And I willing to bet your getting most of your bounce from side wall flex from your tires. Even though they are stiff side wall tires they still flex. And they just bounce and the suspension not working like it should cause it’s not under load. So since the 5500 has stiffer rear springs you are going to feel that motion transfer from the trailer through the chassis of the truck. Hope I explained well enough. And since trailer is new it may get better after time since rear trailer suspension still on the stiff side cause it’s new! Great video keep them coming.
When was the last time you did suspension on the 5500? My understanding is the shocks they put on most of the HD trucks only last 6 months or so cause of how poorly they are built.
Sometimes it may simply be the combination of the particular truck and trailer. By that I mean the spread between the rear axle on the truck and the front axle of the trailer is just perfect to get into a harmonics and it just goes from there. I used to pull a 38ft Rampage 5th wheel toy hauler with my CC/LB Duramax, it huck n bucked the living holy hell out of me wherever I went. Tried all sorts of things with the trailer suspension, pin box, truck suspension, etc. without much luck. Put any other 5th wheel or gooseneck on the truck and it towed excellent. Put that trailer on a short wheel base version of my truck or a Dodge or a Ford and it pulled fine. It was just the combination of my particular truck and trailer that made it tow that way. Maybe for you it could be the stiffer suspension and gooseneck ball location on the 5500 that cause it to huck n buck like that vs the 3500 or the old trailer on the 5500 with the shorter axle spread placement between the truck's rear axle?
Think your looking at the difference between the suspension on both trailers. The new one is stiff and new possibly heavier than the older one. So if it’s stiff maybe the rain plays a part. But not many trailers like this have shocks. I just think we are talking very unforgiving springs.
My thought is that the dovetail, when having nothing on it (having a tongue weight heavy load), is acting as a spring. That-combined with the flex and force resistance on your larger HD springs on the 5500 is causing an action-chain reaction due to the natural vibrating frequency thus causing the bounce effect. The 3500 doesn't have as heavy springs, so even with the same weight distrubution it will make for an easier ride since they are compressing more and don't have resistance like the larger 5500 springs do under the same load. Have you reached out to Diamond C on if others have had the same issue?
Great video today. Sorry we didn’t see any bucking to back up your claim. I’m sure you will figure it out and be back in the 5500 for a long time. Keep up the good work and stay safe out there.
I get the bounces too sometimes...I have been running gen-y as well..Sometimes it doesnt matter what I do to get the bounces/huck n buck....sensitive..like my feelings. Lol
I would say that the frame is flexing whether in the neck or underneath. I had a dual tandem gooseneck that did the same thing. I couldn’t get rid of it fast enough
I had a 35ft pj with 10 ft hydraulic dovetail that did the same exact thing. I had to put weight on the dovetail or it would flop up/down & buck. So annoying I ended up selling it now I’m looking for my old gn with monster ramps again. The hyd dovetail is so nice but not worth the discomfort.
Sounds like you just need to find the sweet spot again. Those dovetails weigh heavier than you may think. I know with my big Tex, the tail weighs a little over 1000 pounds so mine likes the loads and little more on the axles when loaded
I’m late to the game but, I have the same problem with the Jerking back and forth with a 22ft 14k tilt bed gooseneck. I figured out if I chain to the main frame of the trailer and not the back part of the tilt that flops up and down ridiculously. It sucks that I’ve got wasted space I can’t tie down to .
I have a GenY hitch as well and I run about 600 miles a day with it. I have noticed that sometimes if I hit a bump at a certain speed, the GenY will amplify the bouncing. Don't know if this is what you're experiencing, but something to think about. About Dodge and their fuel economy, there is a rumor about Dodge working with Allison to create a 9 speed automatic transmission. I am excited and hopeful about that because it should definitely increase the fuel economy over the current 6 speed.
I agree with most of the other post. Try the same load on the 5500. Also try swapping tires between old/new trailers. I know of one guy that keeps about 500 pounds on the tongue just to make the ride better. Isnt the 5500 about a foot shorter then the 3500? I had a 05 with the ball directly over the axle. 14 rolls of hay towed great. 15 (one on the neck) complete crap. Switched to an 06 with a b&w a few inches forward of axle, same loads both towed great.
i have never towed that heavy. but one of the smaller trailers i had i had to play with the tires air pressure cause the side wall comp was different and had a much stiffer springier side wall. wound up dropping the pressure a bit and it was nicer ride.
Had this happen yesterday on my utility trailer. Started out with 6 yards mulch and unloaded half and drove to second job and rode terrible. Different with a bumper pull than a gooseneck I know.
Sam I agree 100 percent about what these trucks are suppose to be used for as I have my own hauling company using a 3500 Chev Dually with a 30' gooseneck. I can't watch that young fellas videos destroying trucks. Its simply unreal what people will do for notoriety and attention
On the note of the new rams, the 2020's come with 55 gallon fuel tanks and there is rumor of them putting in an allison transmission in a couple years, but that's just a rumor but either way love the channel keep up the good work
Ram is talking to a few different companies to get a 10 speed behind the Cummins which would bring the MPG up drastically and a simple tune can get you all kind of HP and TQ
There are plenty of upgrades that can be made to your 4th gen to make it a towing beast with the emissions intact. Also would help out your fuel mileage and maybe even regen less, so less def usage. 4th gen dodges have an incredible aftermarket for making one hell of a truck. Sometimes I wish I would’ve just saved up and bought one instead of spending all my money on my 2nd gen.
All hydraulic tail and hydraulic tilts buck. The first time I hit the highway with a hydraulic tilt my phone registered me running for 60 minutes due to the rough ride!!
@@VBELTandSON short of the long story, lost his key fob an the spare dealer gave him wasn't correct key at all.. so got his truck loaded an hauled down to the dealer for him so they could square away the problem. Yeah I almost thought about hollerin, ya drove right by...
Haha I burped the throttle at ya 😂 glad to hear wasn’t a bad trans or something tho ha Had me reconsidering my thoughts for a ford lol Guess that was it parked at Auburn ford this morning
I'd better balance of more load wieght on the trailer. The trailer tires & their pressure could be a big factor as well. Also better shocks on the truck, on that gooseneck hitch, &or put shocks onto the trailer axles.
You should leave the load exactly like that don't move anything and Hook on to it with the 5500 and compare how it ride that will tell you if it is the truck or if the 3500 ride a lot smoother
The diamond c dovetail is what's holding me back cause of the extra length of it look up the ttx slide x tilt trailer by maxxd it's like a baby landoll for a 1 ton
When I load 3x3’s on the front of the trailer and not spread it out I get whipped pretty hard. 3 to 6 bales will kill you. If I go multiples of 9 and fill up the trailer it rides nice.
Have you tried to load the old trailer and check all axle weights? It would be interesting to see if you could replicate close to the same axle loads with the new trailer to rule out load placement issues.
Two weeks ago my buddy blew a hose off the turbo on his 6.6 Duramess towing his 5th wheel up a long grade on I95. He said it was so loud and violent he expected to see parts all over the road! And he had to replace his "fruit of the looms"! LOL He got it off the road with no incident thank God. $1200 for tow and repair at local GM dealer. They told him it was a common thing?? First I heard of it?? --gary
I am not say this is the problem only I have had the same truck and same trailer with goose set up it have a vibration in the wheel the same everything replaced goose for a kingpin had no vibration. I am thinking it’s to do with the fact goose is in between the frame and 5th wheel is on top of the frame. Just what have found. I tow with a 2003 C4500 84 inch Cab to axle 13,000 rear axle.
Have you tried adjusting the height of the neck on the trailer? The gooseneck ball on your 3500 may be at different height than your 5500. If not, still worth a try. Bumper pull trailers act completely different depending on tongue angle. Has an affect on goosenecks too. Sucks adjusting the neck between trucks though.
Without holding your bill fold out the window to solve problems, I think the way you'd have to swap the 5500 with the 3500 as soon as you noticed the difference in ride.........same load, same placement on trailer, just swap draggers right when you got home or what have you and try the other wagon the next day. Still so many variables it's like throwin spaghetti on the wall to speculate what's goin on. The engineered beam probably by design likely transfers a lot more of that shock smoothly throughout the frame rather than reducing it in the heavy stress points of a traditional 90⁰ gooseneck frame. That and the oober stout suspension of the 5500 gives less as to absorb shock than the 3500..........so aside from full air ride on the snowman and or selling it to me 🤣🤣🤣...........I think just go ultra badass with 100% tongue weight or 100% axle weight, or haul the 080 and the primetech together like a ultra badass..........no bouncy nowhere that way 😎😎😎🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, shoot there's a guy on this RUclips somethin er other website does this all the time, have to check my AOL notifications to make sure RUclips's is the right search engine if my dial up is detecting the wee-fee transmitternal back and forth arrows otherwise my floppy drive can't drive on my thumb..............that's what the computer kid said anyways
Sounds like it may possibly be a hitch adjustment issue. My 06 F350 used to beat the crap out of me towing my fifth wheel. I dropped the hitch one bolt hole and and it was a completely different animal.
I agree with you David I think it's partially a wrong adjustment on the trailer and partially extremely stiff suspension on the 5500. A contributing factor could also be total truck wheel base
Have you checked the hitch ball on the truck it self, look for broken welds or loose bolts , the trailer works fine with 3500 seems it might the truck itself
Just for a test, could you run a chain and boomer under the trailer, on a load, to keep the tail firmly pressing down onto the lock mechanism? See if that mitigates the problem.
Could it be the extra axle spacing of that trailer has more influence on the tongue? Maybe the shorter spacing behaves more like a single pivot point for weight transfer.
I have a triple axle trailer. Had a blow out on the middle axle, took both wheels off as I didn't have any means to tie it up. Rocked pretty hard over bumps. I think it all to do with the spread of the axles, and influence on the tongue.
@@ZippyGraphite It sounds like he's narrowing it down to the hinged tail in this case. I think he said when equipment is tied down to that hinged tail section the problem is amplified.
Think its that axle spacing and location. Why it beats the hell out of you. Just to experiment with the 5500. Pit a crapton of tongue then try. Most bucking ive noticed was not enough tongue. What looks like a lot might hardly be anything.
show us the suspension on the new trailer. That might explain the rough suspension. If each wheel contributes to the bounce. Your old trailer has a single point of lift with each wheel providing half of the bounce. I'm suspecting that each axle on the new trailer is separate. I used to work for a company that built trailers. A torsion bar axle on each wheel can be rough when going across ridges.
I'm no super trucker but this trailer is alot lighter then the other also isnt the axel placement different as well? So if you ask me you just need find the new "sweet spot". Have you called diamond C?
I mean considerable. get one of those weight on the ball checks. We have had crazy shit happen here with too much tounge weight and negative tounge weight haha.
I also have 2019 ram 3500 and tow a 16fr dump trailer that hauls my kubota svl90-2 15k total weight No Troubles My son has a 2011 F250 6.4 Complained about bucking Remove the bottom over load spring and added air bags Problem solved
Another possibility is...my 99.5 F250 is set up with overload springs. My trailer is a 20ft 10K tandom axle bumper pull. The problem that I had was getting beat up when the trailer was empty. It turned out that the trailer empty tongue weight was enough to put the overload very close to the overload frame pad. Every time my suspension hit a small bump it was slapping the overload stop which gave the truck a harsh ride. Things were fine loaded. Could you be in that situation with the 5500?
@@VBELTandSON after typing inrealized its been several months have you figured out why it was bucking? I was looking at a 35ft trailer similar to yours but with 2-12k tandems and normal wheels. But still hydro dove and hydro jacks. Though honestly I'm also looking at the non hydro dove as well
It's strange, I have 16 2500, with 30,000 miles now, and I can't say I've ever noticed it doing a regen. Either I'm oblivious to it or it's not needed it. You do enough highway and working it that you shouldn't need it.
Over drive off is old school 4 speed tow haul mode. New trucks have 6 speed auto and just holds gears longer before shifter and down shifts earlier for you going down hill or under braking
@@VBELTandSON I hear that but it would smooth out that 5500. You could go crazy and ditch the leafs all together for a 4link for the ultimate ride quality but that's pretty involved and I know that truck needs to be at work
Curious if you have tried it with and without the GenY hitch maybe blown rear shocks on the 5500? Also, find a load that hucknbucks on the 5500 then tow with the 3500 so it narrows it down to truck or trailer ? Hope this might help!
Could be blown rear shocks on 5500 ive had bad shocks react good and bad in different situations..bad shocks can make for a huckin buckin and a bouncin
Have you towed any other dovetail Gooseneck’s ? My big Tex is the same specs as your Texas pride and towed fine. My buddy has a 30ft dovetail that thing empty or loaded feels like a bull ride. Just horrible hurts the neck after a 30 min ride. Behind my f350 or his Chevy 3500.
V-BELT and SON I always think it has to do with the dovetail bouncing and becoming a pogo stick. When it towed better over the axles is your tracks on the dovetail? Curious the dove tail is bouncing up and down and becoming a spring.? Maybe try that exact tow you did in video with the dodge 5500.? anyways great videos!
Of coarse they will defend their own products and blame the problem on something else, like bad shocks or springs I love the way diamond C looks , but I second guess the spacing between the axles and maybe that unbalanced dove tail
Ordered a 32 exactly like this months ago, picked it up 2 weeks ago. On the way home from the dealer the "upgraded" hyd jack left side fell to the ground, as in the foot flew off and everything, i strapped it up in the middle of the highway, but there isnt a good place to hook it, and before i got it back i had trouble with the strap flying off, talk about anxiety because the strap got under the tires and it yanked it up thru the hang grab and everything... anyways, I unhooked it the first time and the next day i noticed a puddle of oil under the right side leg, it was leaking tranny fluid from the hyd reservoir. And yes my trailer tail bounces also, but i havent even used it enough to form an opinion yet I also am the only one to EVER have an issue, funny cause there were plenty of other trailers at the dealer but im sure i got the only bad one in north america. So im waiting to go take it back to have it fixed under warranty unless they salt the roads, then it will be fixed in the spring. Diamond C is in my opinion the best or i wouldnt have bought it, but im still waiting for that to be proven
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Next time it bucks on the way home swap from the 5500 to the 3500. Same load if the problem goes away you know its in the truck.
I caught that WhistlinDiesel reference at 10:30 lol
Me too, glad to see him point it out. I feel like if that whistlinDiesel fella wasn't destroying trucks, he'd be pulling a Jeff Dahlmer.
Funny because that video is right about this comment
I did too, LOL
Anyone else get a mental picture? 😂
I thought the same when said that
I have a New Diamond C just like yours except 40 ft, F350 - hitch ball is centered over axle , Smooth as glass even with a light load. Never any buck, Heavy suspension on Pickup plus the Heavy like yours on trailer, 14ply 16 inch tires though. trailer weight is around 8900 but I carry alot of rigging and chains. Absolutely Love my combination of truck and trailer ! You sold me on the trailer but it did take almost 3 months to get it custom built. You've got one of the Best channels going.
To truly eliminate the variables load up that same exact load and tow it with the 5500. That will narrows it down scientifically to the truck vs the trailer. Really hope you get it figured buddy
So I have a Diamond C also, mine is 38' deck and it bounces too! My issue is with the expansion joints in concrete roads, it turns into like a 'harmonic' affect which is much worse when tongue loaded! I also tow it with Ram 3500, but i think issue is with the trailer and not truck! At first I thought it was axle spacing between trailer and truck and they where setting up a balanced 'bump' between the two 'harmonics' but unless the expansion joints are equally spaced on every road, I don't think it's that! My second guess is the 'torque tube' creating the bounce to the rear of the truck. The torque tube absorbing the trailer axle shock from the bump and transmitting it forward to tongue bounce! My previous trailer had been PJ , shorter bed and no torque tube and I didn't experience the bouncing near as bad with it!
If you know the people at Diamond C, it would sure be nice if you get their opinion on it and see if there is anything that can be done to help us! Was kind of wondering if that air bagged hitch attachment you have helped at all?
Thought about putting shocks on the trailer axles? Hitch?
I would try switching out the gooseneck ball. Mine had just enough slop in it that made the difference. It was recommended from my trailer dealer. Didnt make sense logistically but it did fix my problem
10:30 thank you for putting it out there we all know who your talking about and agree!!!
I had the same problem with my goose, turned out the front of the trailer was a little to high when connected so most of the weight was on the rear tires regardless of load and tongue weight! So hitting a bump would load the front axle hard then unload causing a front to back (humping) motion !
Richard Clemence I had the same problem!
The spring rate is designed for the max load. Need airbag suspension for the trailer to allow you to lower the rate when it has less axle load.
My guess it’s the hydro dovetail. Our has a nasty buck to it on any sort of bump. And it’s the build setup. Vs our old ramp set up without it. Chances are when you loaded it heavy, and chained the backhalf to the equipment is why the ride got better.
It could be the arch in the trailer I used to pull a 16 wheel low bed and a aluminum flat bed with arches if you don't get the load and weight just right it will beet you pretty bad. Even with air ride suspension on truck. Lowbed and and flatbed drivers learn how to load different loads and make it ride more comfortable. I think with the arch, it being a goose neck and the tail being longer and heavier makes it more violent. The three combined fight each other as it flexes while bouncing on the rough Cali roads. A longer trailer could help just like longer wheel base semi trucks ride smoother because the longer frame soaks up more of the rough ride. Plus the longer the deck the tail weight and length makes the fulcrum effect more in the favor of your drive axle on truck.
My car trailer is a 20ft 10k tilt deck and it bucks pretty good when it's empty. When I first bought it, I was pretty upset about it. I've replaced the shocks on my truck for an unrelated issue, and that actually helped quite a bit. With weight on it, it rides like it's not even there.
Try swapping the tires from the old trailer to the new trailer and see if that makes a difference I say try that first before buying new tires because I had that issue before with an older trailer and it was the tires on the trailer
lots of good comments and ideas. I would try same load between both truck to rule out the trailer or not. I like the idea of the difference between the ball mount from the axle on the trucks, and the ball height between the two truck. I'm sure that long dove tail come into play with load placement. good luck hope you get it figured out. Stay safe out there too
It's the difference in axle placement it changes the amount of tung weight on the truck
I used to own a similar trailer from a different manufacturer. It's the hydraulic ramp overhang. Tow when it's empty on a bumpy road and watch it flop like a fish outta water. Hope this helps.
Diamond see has a different latch for their hydro tilts
@@williamuskoski1385 I have this same trailer and yes the latch is a different style because it cams over and eliminates a release mechanism, but that makes no difference about the tail "hop". Yes when towing it is continually bouncing - you can go back there by hand when empty and get it bouncing pretty good, and im not even that strong
This happen to my buddy one did you check to make sure the leaf springs are tight everywhere all the play got him
On a brand new trailer?
@@VBELTandSON you can be surprised on stuff that come lose fast. Had I had a new trailer off dealer and the u-bolts and leaf spring bolts where had come lose and tweeked things
Softer suspension of the 3500 is likely absorbing the bounce that the 5500's stiffer suspension is reacting to. Airbags on the truck will help, but the bounce is likely coming from the trailer suspension and the engineered beam isn't allowing any flex through the trailer like the traditional frame does.
I'd start off with the airbags on the truck, then consider shocks on the trailer axles.
Has air bags on the truck
Damn , that is a sharp looking truck Sam , maybe a personal thing but duelly’s don’t look complete with out a full set of mud flaps! Probably just me !!! 🤠 keep the videos coming , love the truck resto films , really looking forward to seeing how the green truck turns out !!
Thank you! And I been wanting to get some mud flaps for it for awhile now. But ol green gets painted tomorrow! Can’t wait
Thanks for watching 👍🏻
More like this! I'm a problem solver. I like hearing your thoughts as you work the problem.
Man this setup looks so good 💪🏻 I wish I had a trailer like this !
Go buy one,🤔
Sam, have you actually gone to the Cat scales at a truck stop and weighed your axles unloaded and loaded with various pieces of equipment. If not, doing so may help you determine precise placement of your equipment. You might also try to mount your camera under your chassis and aim it at the rear suspension of the truck. This could give you an idea of what is going on under there that may not be static loading but perhaps dynamic, unplanned forces.
No scales around my area but I’ll film more when it’s not raining lol
Not enough weight on trail suspension. And the 5500 has a stiffer rear spring. So when the load is forward the suspension isn’t really doing what it’s supposed to do. And I willing to bet your getting most of your bounce from side wall flex from your tires. Even though they are stiff side wall tires they still flex. And they just bounce and the suspension not working like it should cause it’s not under load. So since the 5500 has stiffer rear springs you are going to feel that motion transfer from the trailer through the chassis of the truck. Hope I explained well enough. And since trailer is new it may get better after time since rear trailer suspension still on the stiff side cause it’s new! Great video keep them coming.
When was the last time you did suspension on the 5500? My understanding is the shocks they put on most of the HD trucks only last 6 months or so cause of how poorly they are built.
Sometimes it may simply be the combination of the particular truck and trailer. By that I mean the spread between the rear axle on the truck and the front axle of the trailer is just perfect to get into a harmonics and it just goes from there. I used to pull a 38ft Rampage 5th wheel toy hauler with my CC/LB Duramax, it huck n bucked the living holy hell out of me wherever I went. Tried all sorts of things with the trailer suspension, pin box, truck suspension, etc. without much luck. Put any other 5th wheel or gooseneck on the truck and it towed excellent. Put that trailer on a short wheel base version of my truck or a Dodge or a Ford and it pulled fine. It was just the combination of my particular truck and trailer that made it tow that way. Maybe for you it could be the stiffer suspension and gooseneck ball location on the 5500 that cause it to huck n buck like that vs the 3500 or the old trailer on the 5500 with the shorter axle spread placement between the truck's rear axle?
Hey Sam, if you wanted to you could probably fit a couple of 21" Craftsman push mowers on there as well.
😂😂
Think your looking at the difference between the suspension on both trailers. The new one is stiff and new possibly heavier than the older one. So if it’s stiff maybe the rain plays a part. But not many trailers like this have shocks. I just think we are talking very unforgiving springs.
My thought is that the dovetail, when having nothing on it (having a tongue weight heavy load), is acting as a spring. That-combined with the flex and force resistance on your larger HD springs on the 5500 is causing an action-chain reaction due to the natural vibrating frequency thus causing the bounce effect. The 3500 doesn't have as heavy springs, so even with the same weight distrubution it will make for an easier ride since they are compressing more and don't have resistance like the larger 5500 springs do under the same load. Have you reached out to Diamond C on if others have had the same issue?
Great video today. Sorry we didn’t see any bucking to back up your claim. I’m sure you will figure it out and be back in the 5500 for a long time. Keep up the good work and stay safe out there.
I get the bounces too sometimes...I have been running gen-y as well..Sometimes it doesnt matter what I do to get the bounces/huck n buck....sensitive..like my feelings. Lol
That setup is freaking awesome
I would say that the frame is flexing whether in the neck or underneath. I had a dual tandem gooseneck that did the same thing. I couldn’t get rid of it fast enough
I had a 35ft pj with 10 ft hydraulic dovetail that did the same exact thing. I had to put weight on the dovetail or it would flop up/down & buck. So annoying I ended up selling it now I’m looking for my old gn with monster ramps again. The hyd dovetail is so nice but not worth the discomfort.
Sounds like you just need to find the sweet spot again. Those dovetails weigh heavier than you may think. I know with my big Tex, the tail weighs a little over 1000 pounds so mine likes the loads and little more on the axles when loaded
I’m late to the game but, I have the same problem with the Jerking back and forth with a 22ft 14k tilt bed gooseneck. I figured out if I chain to the main frame of the trailer and not the back part of the tilt that flops up and down ridiculously. It sucks that I’ve got wasted space I can’t tie down to .
I have a GenY hitch as well and I run about 600 miles a day with it. I have noticed that sometimes if I hit a bump at a certain speed, the GenY will amplify the bouncing. Don't know if this is what you're experiencing, but something to think about. About Dodge and their fuel economy, there is a rumor about Dodge working with Allison to create a 9 speed automatic transmission. I am excited and hopeful about that because it should definitely increase the fuel economy over the current 6 speed.
Sam I work for a kubota dealership we have a Moritz trailer very similar set up and we have the same problem bounces bad empty or light load
I agree with most of the other post. Try the same load on the 5500. Also try swapping tires between old/new trailers. I know of one guy that keeps about 500 pounds on the tongue just to make the ride better.
Isnt the 5500 about a foot shorter then the 3500? I had a 05 with the ball directly over the axle. 14 rolls of hay towed great. 15 (one on the neck) complete crap. Switched to an 06 with a b&w a few inches forward of axle, same loads both towed great.
i have never towed that heavy. but one of the smaller trailers i had i had to play with the tires air pressure cause the side wall comp was different and had a much stiffer springier side wall. wound up dropping the pressure a bit and it was nicer ride.
Had this happen yesterday on my utility trailer. Started out with 6 yards mulch and unloaded half and drove to second job and rode terrible. Different with a bumper pull than a gooseneck I know.
Sam
I agree 100 percent about what these trucks are suppose to be used for as I have my own hauling company using a 3500 Chev Dually with a 30' gooseneck. I can't watch that young fellas videos destroying trucks. Its simply unreal what people will do for notoriety and attention
Put the flat bed on the 3500 and leave the Diamond C hooked up! That'll be a sweet looking, riding, working rig!
On the note of the new rams, the 2020's come with 55 gallon fuel tanks and there is rumor of them putting in an allison transmission in a couple years, but that's just a rumor but either way love the channel keep up the good work
Ram is talking to a few different companies to get a 10 speed behind the Cummins which would bring the MPG up drastically and a simple tune can get you all kind of HP and TQ
It is the extra weight past rear axle the dove tail got one that does same thing only when empty
There are plenty of upgrades that can be made to your 4th gen to make it a towing beast with the emissions intact. Also would help out your fuel mileage and maybe even regen less, so less def usage. 4th gen dodges have an incredible aftermarket for making one hell of a truck. Sometimes I wish I would’ve just saved up and bought one instead of spending all my money on my 2nd gen.
All hydraulic tail and hydraulic tilts buck. The first time I hit the highway with a hydraulic tilt my phone registered me running for 60 minutes due to the rough ride!!
This one doesn’t bounce like every other brand. Found out the reason it rides bad tho. Post video soon on it
Nice setup behind the 3500.. that ford was a buddies I picked it up yesterday, musta just missed ya before you checked out the castle house
Dang what was going on with that ford? Should of yelled for me id helped ya load it up.
@@VBELTandSON short of the long story, lost his key fob an the spare dealer gave him wasn't correct key at all.. so got his truck loaded an hauled down to the dealer for him so they could square away the problem. Yeah I almost thought about hollerin, ya drove right by...
Haha I burped the throttle at ya 😂 glad to hear wasn’t a bad trans or something tho ha
Had me reconsidering my thoughts for a ford lol
Guess that was it parked at Auburn ford this morning
I liked the video Sam, that’s one sweet setup, keep up the cool videos and be safe.
It’s got to be something about the different trailer suspension. Different bounce frequency that doesn’t jive with the truck
Looks good. You should do one with the tractor and your big excavator.
Awesome videos thank you and keep up the good work brother. Be safe and keep earning and burning.
Airbag your trailer axles, did that with mine and towers like a freaking dream
Send me a link for what you got
I'd better balance of more load wieght on the trailer. The trailer tires & their pressure could be a big factor as well.
Also better shocks on the truck, on that gooseneck hitch, &or put shocks onto the trailer axles.
Wasn’t the issue. Figured it out. Video on the issue later this week. But your guess wasn’t the issue
Wasn't a guess just things I've seen & experienced.
Curious to see what you figured out.
You should leave the load exactly like that don't move anything and Hook on to it with the 5500 and compare how it ride that will tell you if it is the truck or if the 3500 ride a lot smoother
The diamond c dovetail is what's holding me back cause of the extra length of it look up the ttx slide x tilt trailer by maxxd it's like a baby landoll for a 1 ton
Maybe the truck...wheelbase difference in the trucks???? Spring rates difference in the trucks??? Can't use the same settings...
We haul a lot of hay with a 3500 and it would rock a lot we moved the tongue down a hole and it fixed it. Not sure why haha
Several comments saying that. Less leverage maybe. Gen y is low as can go tho:(
When I load 3x3’s on the front of the trailer and not spread it out I get whipped pretty hard. 3 to 6 bales will kill you. If I go multiples of 9 and fill up the trailer it rides nice.
Awesome video man 😎👌 might have to just use the 3500 more 👍
You must seen the whistlingdiesel video you gotta admit it’s a good stress reliever like dude c’mon
Maybe I can get on his videos and run my ranch hand bumper into the side of the ford. That be fun lol
Have you tried to load the old trailer and check all axle weights? It would be interesting to see if you could replicate close to the same axle loads with the new trailer to rule out load placement issues.
Two weeks ago my buddy blew a hose off the turbo on his 6.6 Duramess towing his 5th wheel up a long grade on I95. He said it was so loud and violent he expected to see parts all over the road! And he had to replace his "fruit of the looms"! LOL He got it off the road with no incident thank God. $1200 for tow and repair at local GM dealer. They told him it was a common thing?? First I heard of it?? --gary
I am not say this is the problem only I have had the same truck and same trailer with goose set up it have a vibration in the wheel the same everything replaced goose for a kingpin had no vibration. I am thinking it’s to do with the fact goose is in between the frame and 5th wheel is on top of the frame. Just what have found. I tow with a 2003 C4500 84 inch Cab to axle 13,000 rear axle.
It could be that with the wider axle pacing the axles are running out of travel when going across uneven surfacess.
I think axle placement makes a big difference. Pretty much all it can be
Have you tried adjusting the height of the neck on the trailer? The gooseneck ball on your 3500 may be at different height than your 5500. If not, still worth a try. Bumper pull trailers act completely different depending on tongue angle. Has an affect on goosenecks too. Sucks adjusting the neck between trucks though.
Yeah I’ve moved it around but with gen y in there it is as low as it can go:(
one thing wrong with that hook up the short part of the binder should be pointing down to the deck
Why’s that?
@@VBELTandSON because the handle uses the deck to help downpresser watch the first video watch the handle
www.speedbinders.com/
Without holding your bill fold out the window to solve problems, I think the way you'd have to swap the 5500 with the 3500 as soon as you noticed the difference in ride.........same load, same placement on trailer, just swap draggers right when you got home or what have you and try the other wagon the next day. Still so many variables it's like throwin spaghetti on the wall to speculate what's goin on. The engineered beam probably by design likely transfers a lot more of that shock smoothly throughout the frame rather than reducing it in the heavy stress points of a traditional 90⁰ gooseneck frame. That and the oober stout suspension of the 5500 gives less as to absorb shock than the 3500..........so aside from full air ride on the snowman and or selling it to me 🤣🤣🤣...........I think just go ultra badass with 100% tongue weight or 100% axle weight, or haul the 080 and the primetech together like a ultra badass..........no bouncy nowhere that way 😎😎😎🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, shoot there's a guy on this RUclips somethin er other website does this all the time, have to check my AOL notifications to make sure RUclips's is the right search engine if my dial up is detecting the wee-fee transmitternal back and forth arrows otherwise my floppy drive can't drive on my thumb..............that's what the computer kid said anyways
Sounds like it may possibly be a hitch adjustment issue. My 06 F350 used to beat the crap out of me towing my fifth wheel. I dropped the hitch one bolt hole and and it was a completely different animal.
I’m on the lowest setting and using a gen y but I like your idea tho.
Try adjusting up one or two so you’re pushing a little more weight back onto the trailer.
I agree with you David I think it's partially a wrong adjustment on the trailer and partially extremely stiff suspension on the 5500. A contributing factor could also be total truck wheel base
Have you checked the hitch ball on the truck it self, look for broken welds or loose bolts , the trailer works fine with 3500 seems it might the truck itself
Yup looked everything over twenty times then used my old trailer and it feels like I remember it. Nice and smooth. No sore when done driving
Just for a test, could you run a chain and boomer under the trailer, on a load, to keep the tail firmly pressing down onto the lock mechanism? See if that mitigates the problem.
Could it be the extra axle spacing of that trailer has more influence on the tongue? Maybe the shorter spacing behaves more like a single pivot point for weight transfer.
I have a triple axle trailer. Had a blow out on the middle axle, took both wheels off as I didn't have any means to tie it up. Rocked pretty hard over bumps. I think it all to do with the spread of the axles, and influence on the tongue.
@@ZippyGraphite It sounds like he's narrowing it down to the hinged tail in this case. I think he said when equipment is tied down to that hinged tail section the problem is amplified.
@@oldretireddude i understand that pulling the tail up over bumps its flexing poor trailer design in my opinion
I’d be interested to know the position of the ball on each setup. Maybe the 5500 has the ball more rearward than the 3500.
I was wondering the same thing.
You sure it's not a bad tire. I've had a gooseneck beat the crap out 3 separate trucks and ended up being just one tire on the trailer bad.
Think its that axle spacing and location. Why it beats the hell out of you. Just to experiment with the 5500. Pit a crapton of tongue then try. Most bucking ive noticed was not enough tongue. What looks like a lot might hardly be anything.
I'm far from an expert but seems like the axial placement on the trailer.
I did with 24' deck over bumper pull if I load it tung Heavy I had a load over the axles
show us the suspension on the new trailer. That might explain the rough suspension. If each wheel contributes to the bounce. Your old trailer has a single point of lift with each wheel providing half of the bounce. I'm suspecting that each axle on the new trailer is separate. I used to work for a company that built trailers. A torsion bar axle on each wheel can be rough when going across ridges.
Good points
I'm no super trucker but this trailer is alot lighter then the other also isnt the axel placement different as well? So if you ask me you just need find the new "sweet spot". Have you called diamond C?
Seems like you put alot of tounge weight on 5500. Also where you described putting 080 behind 3500 where it rides good has good tounge weight too.
I mean considerable. get one of those weight on the ball checks. We have had crazy shit happen here with too much tounge weight and negative tounge weight haha.
We go light on the tounge weight. 10% of total trailer weight.
maybe moving the ball hitch so there more weight to the front axel
I also have 2019 ram 3500 and tow a 16fr dump trailer that hauls my kubota svl90-2
15k total weight No Troubles
My son has a 2011 F250 6.4
Complained about bucking
Remove the bottom over load spring and added air bags
Problem solved
Another possibility is...my 99.5 F250 is set up with overload springs. My trailer is a 20ft 10K tandom axle bumper pull. The problem that I had was getting beat up when the trailer was empty. It turned out that the trailer empty tongue weight was enough to put the overload very close to the overload frame pad. Every time my suspension hit a small bump it was slapping the overload stop which gave the truck a harsh ride. Things were fine loaded. Could you be in that situation with the 5500?
First thing I would suspect is the commercial tires are just too stiff for lighter weights.
Nope
@@VBELTandSON after typing inrealized its been several months have you figured out why it was bucking? I was looking at a 35ft trailer similar to yours but with 2-12k tandems and normal wheels. But still hydro dove and hydro jacks. Though honestly I'm also looking at the non hydro dove as well
Love the setup. What transmission is in your 3500?
Aisin and thank you
It's strange, I have 16 2500, with 30,000 miles now, and I can't say I've ever noticed it doing a regen. Either I'm oblivious to it or it's not needed it. You do enough highway and working it that you shouldn't need it.
Yeah idk it was doing something. Power game on stronger later down the road. Truck hasn’t been used to much latley
Yeah, my 02 3500 with 180,000 on it, I've never seen it regen... oh wait
Just a thought, but is your 08 ball directly over your axel or is it 4-6” forward, just curious, might be a contributing factor to your “hucknbuck”
Great video Sam. What is the difference between tow haul and over drive off???
Over drive off is old school 4 speed tow haul mode. New trucks have 6 speed auto and just holds gears longer before shifter and down shifts earlier for you going down hill or under braking
Maybe pull a leaf or 2 out of the 5500 and let the air bags take up the slack should smooth it out a bit
I’d rather just use my old trailer than tear apart my poor 5500 lol
From a physics stand point, this seems like a good theory
@@VBELTandSON I hear that but it would smooth out that 5500. You could go crazy and ditch the leafs all together for a 4link for the ultimate ride quality but that's pretty involved and I know that truck needs to be at work
The bounce maybe caused by the dove tail
I place weight on the tail it can’t move
@@VBELTandSON I dont mean by the dove its self bouncing. Think of it as a see saw effect
Yeah I gotcha and that’s what I kinda feared. Trailer is to short for that tail I guess.
whats the #5 on the tailgate for? that is a sexy setup though, i must say. love the videos!
Ryan Dungeys racing number
@@VBELTandSON oh cool. Didnt know that. Thought it was like a truck number or something. My bad
It’s all good. There is a 5 on almost al my rigs
Curious if you have tried it with and without the GenY hitch
maybe blown rear shocks on the 5500?
Also, find a load that hucknbucks on the 5500 then tow with the 3500 so it narrows it down to truck or trailer ?
Hope this might help!
Yup tried it with And without. There is a reason I got the gen y. It helps but not a cure and shocks are good.
V-BELT and SON Keep up the good work with the videos👍
My old dodge would bounce on the overloads and would give that extra bounce.
Have you hauled it since you changed the tires on the 5500? Maybe tires were out of round? Shocks on 5500?
Yeah it’s been a rough ride since day one
How long is the gooseneck on that trailer? Is the ball behind the axle? You have a bunch of space between the truck and the trailer
Sam what happened to your Diamond C Tour Vid? Went to watch again and can’t find it anymore
Could be blown rear shocks on 5500 ive had bad shocks react good and bad in different situations..bad shocks can make for a huckin buckin and a bouncin
Especially if it got worse after putting air bags under it
"huckin buckin and a bouncin" ... sounds like a country song !!!
Have you towed any other dovetail Gooseneck’s ? My big Tex is the same specs as your Texas pride and towed fine. My buddy has a 30ft dovetail that thing empty or loaded feels like a bull ride. Just horrible hurts the neck after a 30 min ride. Behind my f350 or his Chevy 3500.
Towed my buddies diamond c trailer. His 35 footer road better than mine for sure. That’s about it tho. Any ideas why they would ride bad?
V-BELT and SON I always think it has to do with the dovetail bouncing and becoming a pogo stick. When it towed better over the axles is your tracks on the dovetail? Curious the dove tail is bouncing up and down and becoming a spring.? Maybe try that exact tow you did in video with the dodge 5500.? anyways great videos!
Have you talked to diamondC about your issues? Their engineers should have a good explanation.
Said no one else had my issue.
Of coarse they will defend their own products and blame the problem on something else, like bad shocks or springs
I love the way diamond C looks , but I second guess the spacing between the axles and maybe that unbalanced dove tail
@@VBELTandSON That's what every dealer of any product will tell you when you call with a problem "Never had an issue"
Ordered a 32 exactly like this months ago, picked it up 2 weeks ago. On the way home from the dealer the "upgraded" hyd jack left side fell to the ground, as in the foot flew off and everything, i strapped it up in the middle of the highway, but there isnt a good place to hook it, and before i got it back i had trouble with the strap flying off, talk about anxiety because the strap got under the tires and it yanked it up thru the hang grab and everything... anyways, I unhooked it the first time and the next day i noticed a puddle of oil under the right side leg, it was leaking tranny fluid from the hyd reservoir.
And yes my trailer tail bounces also, but i havent even used it enough to form an opinion yet
I also am the only one to EVER have an issue, funny cause there were plenty of other trailers at the dealer but im sure i got the only bad one in north america. So im waiting to go take it back to have it fixed under warranty unless they salt the roads, then it will be fixed in the spring. Diamond C is in my opinion the best or i wouldnt have bought it, but im still waiting for that to be proven