First the “I don’t want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs” meme, and then “Old Man Yells at Cloud” meme. Quite a good week for you, Chuck.
@@dragon22214 It's from the TV series. There was an episode in which Duncan catches the flu & explains the matter to a newbie immortal. I think the line is something like, "It won't kill us, but we can still get sick."
I don't know if it was luck or brilliance, but choices like having the woman carry a sickness to explain her behaviour, or McCoy and Kirk be the ones defending expressions of love in different forms is why this show still stands up today. It was a show that sent its message in a way that it's contemporary audience could still enjoy. The show is very old, and carries the culture of the time with it. There's only so far people of that time could look ahead for imagining a better, brighter future, and someday the show really will be too old...but the message itself, of a future of hope, tolerance, love and peace, that is timeless.
@@lynngreen7978 I don't think he missed that so much as later Star Trek was written under very different assumptions than TOS. In the 'TOS' version of the late 20th and early 21st centuries, Earth colonized other planets with subwarp ships before developing Warp.
@@lynngreen7978 Can't remember where I read it (probably not strictly canon), but I recall them spackling this particular continuity blip by saying Cochrane lived his last years on (around?) Alpha Centauri before jetting off to space never to be seen again--until Kirk and co. show up.
"Old Man Yells at Cloud" gave me a good laugh. Am amused by the idea that this story is about promoting the most unconventional relationships, even ones between man and cloud ... so long as the cloud sounds feminine.
It's kinda funny to think about but Cochrane once said that he didn't build his warp ship to advance science or bring about peace but to fly off to some island filled with naked women. In some sense he somewhat got what he wanted.
Cochrane would have been a minor character, but Khan, like Mudd, was a fan favorite thanks to the actor's screen presence. Space Seed was far more remembered than Metamorphosis. But, I think Metamorphosis would have been a memorable episode for me, if I had seen it as a child as I had seen the others.
On that last clip you included in the episode, I was trying to anticipate Spock's line, and my brain said, "Apparently the companion imparted to me a rather quaint, old-fashioned 'fuck you'"
Honestly it sounds like a pretty good existence for Cochrane, so long as the Federation visits every now and then. Presumably they would - Spock's opinion would hardly be rare. You have a very old alien that can't travel? You go to the alien.
I think the actress playing the commissioner is shooting for a stages of grief approach. Likely the character is normally an approachable person, otherwise I can't imagine she's much of a diplomat, we're just introduced to her on her worst day and during the anger phase. Although it's a bit of a shame that so many diplomats we're introduced to in future series seem to use this episode as the baseline. Just miserable people you can't imagine anyone would want to sit down and talk with. Though I do think this episode deserves a slightly better than average score. There's some quality effects for the time period and budget they had. The sets look nice and there's effort to make the alien landscape look alien. The pacing is good. It slips slightly into horror when the Companion goes on the offensive and I'm always a fan of horror elements in Trek. The writing is good if you set aside the Companion being unable to cure a disease despite all her power and Cochrane somehow being oblivious to the Companion's feelings for 150 years when Kirk and Bones picked it up pretty quickly.
its either this or the Federation utilizes an approach of "diplomacy through insufferability"-they send out "diplomats" so irritating that people will put aside their conflicts, however ancient, layered, or dire...just to get the diplomats to go away again. (if you kill the first diplomat, they might send someone worse, so that doesn't happen very often. Not twice, anyway.)
@@yvonnehanafee1392 I think this is yet another Worf-Effect-type problem, where the diplomats are often either rendered useless or shown to be ineffective as a vehicle to focus the story around our characters; the side-effect of this becoming "a pattern" isn't meant to illustrate any larger problem with the Federation (in fact, that's contrary to the intent entirely) but should be taken as an exceptional event each time.
He said, "An average TOS episode." That doesn't mean it's just average period. Remember all ratings are based on that particular series. Feeling that this is a pretty good episode shows that even your average TOS episode is going to be pretty good.
@@JosephDaviesI’d like to think it was just a sign of the times with diplomats and diplomacy perhaps being looked down upon because of both the cold and Vietnam wars
As old fashioned as it sounds, a life without love or family can leave you with great accomplishments, certainly. But it can also leave people old, alone, in an empty house with no one who can love them. There's nothing wrong with wanting family, and we shouldn't disparage those who choose family over a career: Isn't it that love and family are preferable to honor and riches? We shouldn't go too far the other way when it comes to sexual politics that we forget the point of existence: The little joys of people who love you and a warm, loving family.
I read this but I can't wrap my head around what you're saying. How does _sexual politics_ at all come into this? I don't wanna say that you are saying, only a man and a woman can have a big family, but it sure sounds like that's what you're saying.
@@Zeithri I mean that the encouragement of women by certain parties to eschew marriage and family and see it as chains is as wrong as insisting on them being only mothers and wives. Because careers being the only thing to give one purpose and joy in life is untrue, and usually argued against.
@@AJTalon I am sorry, but - what parties encourage women to "eschew marriage and family and see it as chains"? I don't think that's what anyone is really saying. If you think that's what feminism says, I'd say that what is being argued for is the possibility of choice from all options, and shared labour when it comes to it.
@@AJTalon Your phrasing is.. rather confusing. The only ones who argue for a career being the only purpose of joy in life is Capitalism. Which is awful. Likewise those that argue for Women only being housewives and mothers, are people that are stuck in the 1930's and are terrible people. My opinion personally is to do whatever makes one happy as long as it doesn't hurt others because one's personal freedom is more important. But I am a Logical Anarchist Pirate so, 🏴☠ ( _Legend of Galactic Heroes joke sprinkled with a bit of truth_ ) But I reacted to your initial statement because it sounds like, as I said, one can only be happy if one builds a big large family as a man and woman. Which is just wrong. If that wasn't the way you intended it to sound, then I would suggest clarifying it further because your clarification clarified nothing - only more confusion. If you want to feel the joys of life and love, you need to be out there and help strangers for no material wealth nor gain. The true joy comes from *helping* others and they in turn let you know how appreciative they are about it and perhaps help you another day or someone else thus perpetuates a circle of helping others.
You referred to the entity approaching the ship as a giant blonde eyebrow. Well that's totally acceptable to me especially when I referred to the planet eater in another episode as a giant bugle corn chip. 😁
This episode is in the running for one of the most boring episodes of Star Trek: TOS, neck and neck with "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" and "And the Children Shall Lead" and "The Alternative Factor."
First the “I don’t want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs” meme, and then “Old Man Yells at Cloud” meme. Quite a good week for you, Chuck.
That weird head scarf makes me think The Three Amigos will pop in to sing "My Little Buttercup"!
You joked about Keanu getting a head cold, but that's actually Highlander lore.
Wait the immortals in highlander can get like flu sick I don't remember that
@@dragon22214 It's from the TV series. There was an episode in which Duncan catches the flu & explains the matter to a newbie immortal. I think the line is something like, "It won't kill us, but we can still get sick."
That’ll do, SFDebris. That’ll do.
I don't know if it was luck or brilliance, but choices like having the woman carry a sickness to explain her behaviour, or McCoy and Kirk be the ones defending expressions of love in different forms is why this show still stands up today. It was a show that sent its message in a way that it's contemporary audience could still enjoy.
The show is very old, and carries the culture of the time with it. There's only so far people of that time could look ahead for imagining a better, brighter future, and someday the show really will be too old...but the message itself, of a future of hope, tolerance, love and peace, that is timeless.
Who knew that the guy who would get his first alien he ever met drunk would end his career getting an alien girl sober enough to marry him.
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@@JosephDavies He got Troi drunk in first contact
Ron Moore mustve really been big into TOS if he was digging this deep into the well for a central character in the First Contact movie.
Too bad he missed the part where Cochrane is from Alpha Centauri.
@@lynngreen7978 Alpha Centuari, Arkansas.
@@lynngreen7978 I don't think he missed that so much as later Star Trek was written under very different assumptions than TOS. In the 'TOS' version of the late 20th and early 21st centuries, Earth colonized other planets with subwarp ships before developing Warp.
@@lynngreen7978 Can't remember where I read it (probably not strictly canon), but I recall them spackling this particular continuity blip by saying Cochrane lived his last years on (around?) Alpha Centauri before jetting off to space never to be seen again--until Kirk and co. show up.
"Old Man Yells at Cloud" gave me a good laugh.
Am amused by the idea that this story is about promoting the most unconventional relationships, even ones between man and cloud ... so long as the cloud sounds feminine.
It's kinda funny to think about but Cochrane once said that he didn't build his warp ship to advance science or bring about peace but to fly off to some island filled with naked women. In some sense he somewhat got what he wanted.
I like this episode. I saw it when it first aired. I was a child, but I understood the meaning.
Thanks to his intelligent, clear blue eyes and strong face, Corbett has a resemblance to Zac Efron to me.
If Wrath Of Kahn and First Contact hadn't been made, Cochrane and Kahn would have been minor characters in Trek lore.
Cochrane would have been a minor character, but Khan, like Mudd, was a fan favorite thanks to the actor's screen presence. Space Seed was far more remembered than Metamorphosis. But, I think Metamorphosis would have been a memorable episode for me, if I had seen it as a child as I had seen the others.
On that last clip you included in the episode, I was trying to anticipate Spock's line, and my brain said, "Apparently the companion imparted to me a rather quaint, old-fashioned 'fuck you'"
Honestly it sounds like a pretty good existence for Cochrane, so long as the Federation visits every now and then. Presumably they would - Spock's opinion would hardly be rare. You have a very old alien that can't travel? You go to the alien.
Futurama basically made a whole parody of this whole episode.
And several other episodes in that single one, if I remember correctly.
I think the actress playing the commissioner is shooting for a stages of grief approach. Likely the character is normally an approachable person, otherwise I can't imagine she's much of a diplomat, we're just introduced to her on her worst day and during the anger phase. Although it's a bit of a shame that so many diplomats we're introduced to in future series seem to use this episode as the baseline. Just miserable people you can't imagine anyone would want to sit down and talk with.
Though I do think this episode deserves a slightly better than average score. There's some quality effects for the time period and budget they had. The sets look nice and there's effort to make the alien landscape look alien. The pacing is good. It slips slightly into horror when the Companion goes on the offensive and I'm always a fan of horror elements in Trek. The writing is good if you set aside the Companion being unable to cure a disease despite all her power and Cochrane somehow being oblivious to the Companion's feelings for 150 years when Kirk and Bones picked it up pretty quickly.
its either this or the Federation utilizes an approach of "diplomacy through insufferability"-they send out "diplomats" so irritating that people will put aside their conflicts, however ancient, layered, or dire...just to get the diplomats to go away again. (if you kill the first diplomat, they might send someone worse, so that doesn't happen very often. Not twice, anyway.)
@@yvonnehanafee1392 I think this is yet another Worf-Effect-type problem, where the diplomats are often either rendered useless or shown to be ineffective as a vehicle to focus the story around our characters; the side-effect of this becoming "a pattern" isn't meant to illustrate any larger problem with the Federation (in fact, that's contrary to the intent entirely) but should be taken as an exceptional event each time.
He said, "An average TOS episode." That doesn't mean it's just average period. Remember all ratings are based on that particular series. Feeling that this is a pretty good episode shows that even your average TOS episode is going to be pretty good.
People should really notice how wonderful your grammar and spelling is-I also noticed "wordweaver"!
@@JosephDaviesI’d like to think it was just a sign of the times with diplomats and diplomacy perhaps being looked down upon because of both the cold and Vietnam wars
>.> Star Trek did a LOT of "super alien threat time!" episodes. ;)
My favorite episode so far
The Zephram Cochrane dude was taller when in First Contact.
No mention of Z. C. Disappearance
Oh, my God. 🙈
It took him a lifetime and 150 years to find a female. If Cochrane can find a woman, it's not too late for you.
As old fashioned as it sounds, a life without love or family can leave you with great accomplishments, certainly. But it can also leave people old, alone, in an empty house with no one who can love them. There's nothing wrong with wanting family, and we shouldn't disparage those who choose family over a career: Isn't it that love and family are preferable to honor and riches? We shouldn't go too far the other way when it comes to sexual politics that we forget the point of existence: The little joys of people who love you and a warm, loving family.
I read this but I can't wrap my head around what you're saying. How does _sexual politics_ at all come into this?
I don't wanna say that you are saying, only a man and a woman can have a big family, but it sure sounds like that's what you're saying.
@@Zeithri I mean that the encouragement of women by certain parties to eschew marriage and family and see it as chains is as wrong as insisting on them being only mothers and wives. Because careers being the only thing to give one purpose and joy in life is untrue, and usually argued against.
@@AJTalon I am sorry, but - what parties encourage women to "eschew marriage and family and see it as chains"? I don't think that's what anyone is really saying. If you think that's what feminism says, I'd say that what is being argued for is the possibility of choice from all options, and shared labour when it comes to it.
@@AJTalon Your phrasing is.. rather confusing. The only ones who argue for a career being the only purpose of joy in life is Capitalism. Which is awful. Likewise those that argue for Women only being housewives and mothers, are people that are stuck in the 1930's and are terrible people.
My opinion personally is to do whatever makes one happy as long as it doesn't hurt others because one's personal freedom is more important.
But I am a Logical Anarchist Pirate so, 🏴☠ ( _Legend of Galactic Heroes joke sprinkled with a bit of truth_ )
But I reacted to your initial statement because it sounds like, as I said, one can only be happy if one builds a big large family as a man and woman. Which is just wrong. If that wasn't the way you intended it to sound, then I would suggest clarifying it further because your clarification clarified nothing - only more confusion. If you want to feel the joys of life and love, you need to be out there and help strangers for no material wealth nor gain. The true joy comes from *helping* others and they in turn let you know how appreciative they are about it and perhaps help you another day or someone else thus perpetuates a circle of helping others.
@@Zeithri Sir, this is a Wendy's.
You referred to the entity approaching the ship as a giant blonde eyebrow. Well that's totally acceptable to me especially when I referred to the planet eater in another episode as a giant bugle corn chip. 😁
This episode is in the running for one of the most boring episodes of Star Trek: TOS, neck and neck with "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" and "And the Children Shall Lead" and "The Alternative Factor."
This is a great love story!
I always thought the companion looked like a Spanish omelet.😋
Zefram has one possesive girlfriend .