Thats what happens..when the popularity comes the weirdness happens or its easier to spot In this case i think the weirdness just came with fame than it being from before I stand corrected they were a weirdo before but now it’s being spotted
@@yami_yomiel ooh wait i love that thats so interesting [as someone with it] i think pedophillic themes [or any bad themes] can be shown in media its just theres a very clear difference between when it's made to make the audience feel disgusted vs aroused [and mimukauwa, unfortunately, does the latter. ew . .]
Some people said that "oh new vocaloid fans being dramatic blah blah blah" but in this case they're right. Like its not mikus age we're talking about, its about what she IS on this MV
Not to mention people have ALWAYS been talking against loli shit in the fandom, like when that atrocity Loli Island came out. Even worse that the creator used Voicebanks voiced by actual CHILDREN for it,, Like I get that the small loud few that take Miku's 'canon' so seriously they attack any derivitaves have sorta warped the 'older' fans to becoming gatekeepy/dismissive but people have always spoken out against loli/pedo shit!
@@awesomeTerrarian Don't respond to them just obvious ragebait account they joined today the more attention you give them the more they think that people care bout their words
characters who look loli but are '2000 years old' are loli. it doesnt matter if the character actually a child in age. Its about the appearance of the character. If the character look like a little girl, its a loli.
in my opinion, they have to be sexualized in as way in order to be seen as “loli”. an example of a reverse in this sense is Wamuu from jjba, he looks like a grown man and his age is in the thousands, however the age equivalent to that in human standards is just a teenager. I feel like the “looks young but is actually a billion years old or whatever” trope can only work without sexualization.
I think it’s weird that people act like Loli is the norm in Japan, most people in Japan will still think you are weird for liking it. It may be more socially acceptable there but most people are not for it.
we have no idea on knowing if it is the norm or not there, when majority of the Japanese artists/creators online act like it’s okay and that’s all that gets translated to us
Comparing Nice Try to Rabbit Hole is CRAZY. I swear people only conveniently remember that the vocaloid product is advertised with "canon ages" when the content that's being made with it is s3xually suggestive, but never when it's songs where vocaloid is used for an elderly character, or a character committing mrdr (not exclusive to adults, but most commonly carried out by adults). I've been saying this and I'll say it again: instead of worrying about an artist using an ADULT'S VOICE to create content that discusses s3xuality, perhaps worry about why CFM thought that creating a teenage anime girl mascot for their music software would sell better, AND WHY THEY HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME SINCE. No SERIOUSLY, every SINGLE vocaloid/vocal synth software advertised with a cute anime girl that is confirmed to be underage sells WAY better than any software that doesnt feature that. it is a WEIRD consistency that always makes me bristle.
For me, the issue is less about Miku's voice and more about how Deco went about the MVs for Rabbit Hole and Sad Sex Girl. He can and does commission artists to draw characters other than Miku for the MVs of his songs (including recent ones like Neverland, as well as earlier sexual ones, eg. Otome Dissection), but for some reason he not only deliberately chose, but paid to have a body-pillow style illustration for Rabbit Hole. Deco also started his short-form video social media campaign featuring PJSK Miku models modded to wear skimpy clothing dancing to his songs at the same time Rabbit Hole released. That, combined with Deco occasionally posting fictional conversations he has with Miku, and the way he's only used her voicebanks since 2008... It's hard for me to believe that there isn't something there. ...Also, Teto SV is the second most used voicebank currently and she's 30. Though I'm also not going to act like the 'cons aren't probably on chimera age copium about it, or that seeing Una SV or another SV bank supersede her in 2025 won't happen (will depend on SV2 and how many popular producers pick up Una or any new vbs that come out).
6:10 im pretty sure that the name “pure pure” is just the title channelstation(the creator of the popular mv) put as the sfw of their rabbit hole mv, for some reason people just decided that rabbit hole miku is not miku but a character named pure pure who has a similar design to miku. In other words, channelstation rabbit hole mv miku is miku.
I remember seeing a tweet comparing the song to Monitoring bc at the beginning there's a lyric that's censored that implies miku heard the guy... y'know... but the whole song is a misdirection as the guy is imaging most of the lyrics as miku is just a random office worker who is worried about her neighbour and he mistakes her worry as her wanting to make fun of him or her being obsessed with him. Like you cannot compare the two, it's crazy
@@NuMIoH yeah, she probably said something like she heard him whimpering from crying but the guy misunderstands it as something else thus leaving him to think she's making fun of him
The fact that the song has the word ''mesugaki'' in its title, a term that is used in lolicon CSAM, says everything about the intentions of this song...
people who call it chibi need to learn what chibi is, because you can take an adult character, make them chibi and you'll still be able to tell the character is an adult
rabbit hole is a banger proud to say I never hated on it cause she’s an adult and the song has an actual meaning besides sexual things (being afraid of being in a committed relationship)
@@GenesisParaki can we just (not) appreciate how this guy made his account 37 minutes ago just to post ragebait? :) (no, seriously. do something better with your time.) edit: OHHHH!!! IT'S A BOT!!! Y'all just report and stuff, bots on youtube aren't usually coded that well :P
@@GenesisParaki You are a child, step back from videos on topics like this. You obviously don't understand how seriously harmful it is to try and justify things like lolis. Educate yourself.
@@GenesisParaki you know, i dont have the energy to be that rude right now, so i'll leave you to it. i obviously don't support your statements, but everyone is entitled to their own words. i would suggest that you keep your interests private to the wider parts of the web, it could lead to harassment. all i really want to say, is that a lot of people dont like loli, and i prefer to stay with that side. i said hi, and now i will say goodbye :)
Tuning vocaloid to not sound like themselves can be a skill (hiiragikirai does it in a GREAT way for example) and nununu CLEARLY does not possess that skill 😭😭😭 she sounds like a 5 year old that smoked 10 packs a day 💀💀
Personally, I just do not like this kind of sexualized content at all (and not just because I'm ace). Typically people that enjoy theses kinds of videos/fanart/etc. will give the excuse that "the characters aren't real! it's totally okay! they're just 2D!" but this only perpetuates the problem of showing minors in a light they are not at all meant to be shown in. Some people think there's nothing wrong with videos like this, and I'm glad more and more people are speaking out against the existence of these types of "bait" and--exactly how you put it--"content" videos.
Your argument can be tweaked a little and it will perfectly descibe Blue Archive. I got nothing against the game and I know this is the wrong place to say this, I just want to get this out there...
Shoutout to the girl who commented 64 times (and counting) and counting in the replies of these comments, who literally made their account an hour ago 😭😭😭 the engagement on this video is about to skyrocket
I mean I doubt they're doing that, other than like maybe a small very online twitter group who assume thag because the wiki says Miku is 17/white that any different interpretation is horrible and awful Like for example, fucking HATE Masa, the guy. But his Onibi series is his only good work. I listen to reuploads of it. I would go the "ohhh this community has a problem" although that's like. Every community, the sentiment would just lump in innocents with the weirdos
Anyhoo, if ya wanna listen to the song but not support the creator, I reccomend looking at remixes/covers! Would give you the closest thing without giving Nunu-Nonce views
@@GenesisParaki I really hope you’re just ragebaiting.. i can already tell with that pfp and what you just said Edit: THIS IS A BOT LMAOOOO IT WAS MADE 35 MINUTES AGO WHEN I CHECKED Edit 2: when also said that they are 13 but identify as 16 years old wtf
@k4rr0t._.dragonz i like msi and stuff but i just download songs ciugh cough illegally cough cough and stream them that way without giving support to the creator 😋😋😋
@@blytheist Stripper/playboy Miku? Of all characters to get GROSSED OUT BY in a "Haram" outfit, you chose to be grossed out by Miku? I mean, MAKES SENSE AS WELL TO BE DISGUSTED BY ANYTHING IN A PLAYBOY BUNNY SUIT!
I find it kinda funny how everyone keeps talking about how nununununununu is a lolicon but no one is talking about what satapanP is also a lolicon too💀(satapanP also makes brainrot shorts now and is kind of becoming a content farm channel)
SatapanP fell off hard, their last two songs barely got any views I have no clue if they're still doing the shorts tho I didn't see any new shorts after the one promoting hetchaka(?)
Finally, someone is talking about this! I made a post about this a couple of weeks ago, but I had to take it down due to personal reasons. It's disgusting how people excuse this content just because it's miku.
@@dr.BACON_BABY They're ragebait account they're trying to get people mad for like few seconds of attention since they probably don't get much outside of RUclips comments or something like that
Ngl, as someone who’d watched some of ぬぬぬ videos before it’s not surprising at all. They drew Zundamon as looking really young and still did suggestive things (ex, having them tied up and their clothes partially off) , and even made an animation of Kaai Yuki (who’s voiced by an actual child) on a website with the corn hub colours/logo…personally that was weird to me but I didn’t really see anyone talk about it. Also comparing it to Rabbit Hole even though Deco*27 literally has a song titled Sad Girl Sex is pretty funny to me (both Deco songs still have Miku appearing like an adult, but I think my autism makes it hard to guess how old people are so correct me if I’m wrong).
When I saw the MV I literally got traumatized since I could tell she was A LITTLE GIRL, and when I saw some of the comments some of them said “it’s just l0li bait!” And it literally just made me sick.
its a drawing, a cartoon, but if it does give you such a reaction please avoid it. but i dont understand personally why people seem to address this things like its the same as being a person who preys on real kids. though, i admit myself, i can find some content that goes too far disgusting but this? i do not see the issue, personally
The vocaloids are instruments but the thing is that the way nunu is using miku and their past history and the outfits? You cannot deny the song is lolibait. I mean nunu isnt even hiding it
the song is SO BAD even if it wasnt lolibait i wouldnt like it, like the way its tuned so that miku is “bratty” its so bad i cant listen to it keeping a straight face but instead laughing at how fucking bad it is likee…
Ngl i really liked the video for its animations (apart from the weird cat-maid outfit or whatever that was), and i didn’t mind the song that much. But i genuinely paid no attention to any of the other weird sh1t in it. Thank you for clearing that up!!
What really bothered me is that in the music video, when Miku is posing on the table and saying "Neko", she's holding a sign that says something along the lines of "post your fanart of this costume with this hashtag"(?) Nunununu is downright REQUESTING their presumably pretty young audience to draw them lolicon, and ngl it makes me sick (Edit: the sign says "fan art is Please post with the hashtag #hashtag. (Because I want to circulate it.)" I removed the actual hashtag since I don't want people looking for that kind of stuff.)
Honestly I’m not surprised nunu is a lolicon considering another one of their songs features zundamon, who is a vocaloid with VERY childlike features, in an outfit that’s very similar to uno mikus ☹️..
Zundamon isnt a Vocaloid but a UTAU who also has a CeVIO and a SynthV (like teto) sorry im not trying to be an annoying fan but my perfectionism is uhm very harsh. Cough pls dont hate me
@@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis leta not give bait to them especially if theyre claimjng to be 13 in their bio 😭😭 but ur thougts are valid its just better off nit to reply to them cuh
@@awesomeTerrarian looking at his official channel, i already knew bro was weird with the thumbnails 😭😭 one literally depicts zundamon as a baby in a blanket with a pacifier. Not to mention the "femboy zundamon" mv... 😰😰😰
@@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
It's nice to see an actual decent rant on things that doesn't just say nunu is a ... Nunu don't... Me. Like disliking the song is fine, I'm iffy about it and am fully aware how that sort of content is legal in Japan for a reason. I still dislike it but would not go out of my way to harass a producer or compare them to actual criminals. It's not just the fact that it's bad to call the producer such things, it's (unintentionally) undermining the real victims of such crimes and making it seem like a joke. It's also lumping real victims with fiction. As much as things are awful, the two should never be compared. It's fine if a song makes you uncomfortable but the d1ddy jokes are awful and disrespect towards victims of similar crimes.
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 So a lot of people are saying things like the following. Nunu diddles vocaloids Nunu don't diddle me Nunu is the new diddy Sadieyay's comments are actually filled with them. Drake is also used sometimes and it's honestly sickening
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 Diddy and Drake had victims. The mocking is disrespectful and is basically comparing drawing... Let's just say not so great things to real chidren going through it. Both are bad but should never be compared
@@hampter-poemin regards to lolicon, it's more often than not meant to be that the loli is wearing the guy's shirt which implies intimacy, the reason the shirt in question is big is to further emphasise the height difference and the childlike body of the loli. It's also a fantasy
I was there when it came out, when it was a fresh new song I clicked it to give it a listen,after all,i love nununu! And...i could immediately tell what was going on Not even a minute passed and i unfortunately was too aware of what Mesugaki trope is and could understand what people this song is pandering to. So... unfortunate
I could sense the potential sexual themes in this song , but due to the outfit(s) she was wearing, I was thinking the Miku in this was just a shorter adult. That may seem like a bit of a cope, but as somebody myself who is 23, 5'2, has a baby face and has a higher pitched voice, I was hoping maybe finally short adults got some rep, but the explanation of this Miku's title makes it pretty clear it's not.
I’ve known who ぬぬぬ was for quite a while now, but I had no idea that they had *that* kind of intention. I really liked Mimukauwa Nice Try when the song came out, but I didn’t realize that it was just pure loli content. This is just another example of enjoy the art (or in this case, music), not the artist.
Yeah same, really liked the song, never knew about this problem because I always see Miku in that video as an adult, didn't know it was intended to be loli
i was disgusted by the official music video ever since i first saw it. it made me so mad to see that there are so many people supporting this in the comments, and no they are NOT only the Japanese comments. in the end lolicon is just sick art for pedos that ppl that they can say “isn’t bad because they’re actually adults” also i am so glad someone is actually talking about this thank you ( ´Д｀ )
I just found out about what the creation of the song and i changed to the title of my video that has the song to “I do not support the creator of the song” because someone in my comments told me what the person was so yeah :> I love the song so much, I really like it a lot :>
REAL!!!! i saw someone saying 'shes 16 how is it lolibait' like look at the design and how they drew her and tell me that character looks anywhere near 16
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis it can but not always, people who play violent games know not to re enact and have no desire to do irl, same for the vast majority who enjoy such like this. for me personally, it depends on the content. some things i find worse than others. but for the most part, if it stays fictional, i dont care
@ki.44524 theres a difference. violent games are not meant to make you feel turned on by the idea of violence. porn and nsfw is VERY different and several studies show that your fictional or porn preferences do negatively affect you, your mental health, and how you view partners. horror movies and shows dont tell you "this is sexy and you should be turned on by it" but this DOES. this is MADE for you to find sexual appeal in the idea of a defiant child. that is not NORMAL. porn has harmful effects, fictional or not, thats why studies on porn are being done less because the damage is THAT bad. also, in some scenarios, violence is able to be justified in real life. however, the assault or attraction to a child never EVER can be. thats why fictional rapists are hated more than fictional murderers. there is a severe difference in the mental damages caused by violent videogames vs porn edit to add: its ok to explore taboo things in media, in games, in fiction, etc. the problem is when you publicly endorse finding sexual attraction to abuse, incest, rape, paedophilia, etc etc. violent videogames are not the same as fiction written to make you feel attracted to the imagery and depiction of rape or underaged characters
3:27 moaning uh? Whe- where was this supposed moaning I did a lesson to the original a couple of times before, but did we listen to the same version? Like I would say, I have a pretty keen ear, but I didn’t hear moaning in the slightest
@ but that doesn’t count as moaning, but it’s just breathing yeah surely loudly but still just breathing i’m sorry if it seems rude, but do you just look at someone see them breathing, maybe loudly and you just say why are you moaning? 😂 imagine that is just a funny to me. I’m sorry if it seems rude
"okay! you win! now, i'll do whatever you wa-" "go home. please. your free from the trafficers, they're gone now." like bro fr acting like she finna be sold taken style to a 60yo man, get this 10yo character a loving home with a mother and father that care for her like, its insane to me how people can be so open about this insanely disgusting fetish.. like, be open about this kinda stuff on a website MADE for that stuff.. THIS IS RUclips....
im just surprised nobody figured it out instantly. a song about miku giving into implied sexual fantasies if you win a game of cards with maid cat art? drawn in a chibi style? i dont particularly ever trust anyone who draws nsfw or suggestive art in "chibi styles" because more often than not they are portrayed to LOOK like kids. the song is a banger but theres sm better songs by sm better people than someone whos attracted to the idea of little girls in sexual scenarios. again it isnt about the pixels itself its abt the fact youre attracted to the idea of a child
Same, i have always suspected NuNuNu's weird liking towards Loli stuff ever since the song about Zundamon's gender (Yknow, the h*mping one, that one traumatized me lol💀)
I love the song, I kinda dig the raspy voice but I get why people wouldn't like it. I JUST realized how sexual the song is, the song itself is Miku acting bratty and she's dunking the audience, it's like a meme song but at the same time CONSIDERING everything you mentioned in the video- it really feels like a Lolicon bait (or literally one). Not to mention the maid outfit and sexual poses.... I really don't know what else to say and I'm sad to find out that the song I like is made by a bad person. Thanks for letting people know about this.
Not related to the topic but curious why your characters skin tones seem so... Inconsistent? I saw many different thumbnails of yours and arts and theres always different shade of the skintone
the comment section of the mv is either just "noooooo its not l0li its just the artystyle!!!" or the "its just fiction!!!!!!!!" crowd who are getting mad at everyone for NOT liking l0li?😭😭 and it doesnt help that the song is dookie shart from a BUTT
Ngl I saw a ton of people saying "I don't support the creator" which was definitely confusing but this video is definitely clearing some stuff up. I don't really like the song but I've seen amazing covers in English which are honestly 100x better + quite a few of them don't include the suggestive content the actual song uses.
@@cabl7787 listen I didn’t think they were creepy enough to make her a child I assumed she was like 16 like because miku is 16 I didn’t know she was younger cut me some slack 😭😭😭
Im gonna be very honest: I dont/cant see miku in the uno mv as a child. but i *do* see the artists past and the conotations that you've discussed in this video,, and its looking grim,, Thanks for unpacking this Juni!
I absolutely despise the original Music Video and the Creator, but I still want to make an animation with the song using another character :( im using a cover and I wont use the original audio in my video so it wont give direct credit and support to Nununu but I still feel kinda bad for doing it. I dont wanna waste the progress I made so Idont really know if its morally ok for me to do this
As someone who really likes the song, and thinks it’s funny, cute, catchy, and well animated, I can’t disagree with any of the points made against it in this video. …However, I don’t like the rabbit hole take. ‘adult features’ don’t necessarily take away the fact that Miku is canonically 16. I think “she looks like an adult to me” is a poor argument.
Yeah, I agree. To me, that argument basically represents the other end of the creepy anime fanservice spectrum. Y’know, where like a character will be a teenager but there will be a lot of attention drawn to her “shapely figure” and she’ll be put in inappropriate outfits/situations (often full well knowing that the audience WILL largely consist of adults). Ugh.
Woah I didn't know anything about the creator because I just saw this song and liked it (don't judge me please) now I know and wow I think my playlist is gonna be a little bit shorter after this one
@@GenesisParaki The creator of shot4 shot4 island also made songs with Kai Yuki, a vocaloid voiced by an irl child. Both are not fine and there is a reason why people hate that producer.
I do think the subject in question looks incredibly childlike and more so than rabbit hole, but in making the comparison, I’m not sure rabbit hole gets safely over the line either
Finally someone speaks out about this, the MV really was making me uncomfortable and I thought I was the only one since everyone was using it. I personally feel like there should be a trigger warning if you're going to flash me with very clearly nsfw drawings.
Hey this is off topic but why does your vtuber have darker skin then when you draw your persona? Im just wondering because it seems like the same character plus you do use it to represent yourself!
@Fran-Oewm9 yeah but im pretty sure it is a fixable problem. I really don't know why artist didn't come up with a solution. Maybe the author is who is at fault? Its just so strange not to fix it 😅
Im a person that likes "Mimukauwa Nice Try" and its not the context i like (Hell no) its the song itself and the artstyle. I hate the context behind the song and the fact this miku LOOKS like a child, is absolutely disgusting :(
Dawg i saw the sing the other day and it was actually good , i did NOT realize the meaning :( , i thibk i have it saved on a youtube playlist , im gonna remove it after watching the video
@@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
It’s a fake character and you can do whatever you want. Art is subjective. Music (especially in Hiphop) has sexual things in it too, but everyone seems to enjoy it. If you guys don’t like it do as you tell everyone “it’s not made for you, so don’t watch it”. Also you just discredited short girls because they don’t have “adult figures”. Sorry that my body type looks like a “child” to you but some people don’t have big tits and are tall. Some short women love wearing cute, big clothes because it makes them look cute or it’s the only thing we can buy. Loli didn’t mean “child like” it meant “a small body type”, but people changed the meaning because you guys wanted something to complain about since you didn’t understand it. This is why Japan gets so upset with us now because Americans don’t understand something they put their own meaning or ideas to it. It’s like the race swapping. If you are fine with erasing another POC then you are a hypocrite for getting mad at others who do their own thing.
i fear you are missing the point, the creator IS a lolicon and IS a weirdo, for fucks sake the creator likes kids!! i understand where ur getting at but cmon dude it sounds like ur defending a pedo.
Wow, tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video. *The creator has said he specifically drew her to be 10.* The RUclipsr literally said that in the video. That could not be further from subjective. But by all means, if you feel that defending a pedophile is that important to you, be my guest.
“oh new vocaloid fans are so dramatic blah blah blah” brother as someone who’s been here since 2016, just because it’s “normal” doesn’t mean it’s okay. we thought ts was weird back then too, there was just more of it
0:47 which it doesn’t make sense by the name that they know it by you if you know the definition and also what they classify it as its factually wrong since of these not all of them are children, some of them are but not all
@ just using it as Loli bait doesn’t make sense just by the name it makes more sense if you call it lolicon bait since loli is just the body type with cutie aesthetics lolicon is the same thing but that character doing or being or whatever something which is suggestive
Personally, i like the song, the tuning is nice and i appreciate it. This doesnt mean i support lolicons or lolis. Thats why i download songs and stream them without supporting the creator (unless its someone who deserves it) 🤫🤫
@@GenesisParakiWdym? This argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It is extremely weird and futile to think that fiction doesn't affect reality. The creator is just a creep predator
@@GenesisParaki its not that its a fictional character, its the fact that theyre displaying a MV with miku (who, in the mv, is a YOUNG CHILD according to nununus description of said miku) in a sexual nature that is uncomfortable and concerning. Im not saying dont support him if u disagree or agree or wtv its just that even if something is fictional, it doesnt mean it cant be intended or implied in a explicit and uncomfortable way. You do you, bro, but people have opinions and they should be respected (unless theyre completely immoral or illegal) 😋😋😋😋
I’m glad that this year is ending, what’s with people who are mostly loved by everyone get called out for being inappropriate with minors? I am happy that they get called out but it can get so repetitive when you hear it on RUclips a lot, I hope 2025 is a better year
"poorly disguised"???? Brother, it's explicit, didn't even try to hide it lmao
your comment was so good there was no replys to agree or disagree
Your right
Surprised there isn’t any rage bait here
(Repeat after me everyone, if you see a rage baiter, block mute and ignore do NOT INTERACT)
How did we go from the glorious "Fried Chicken with Mayonnaise" song to this?
Thats what happens..when the popularity comes the weirdness happens or its easier to spot
In this case i think the weirdness just came with fame than it being from before
I stand corrected they were a weirdo before but now it’s being spotted
THE MAYO SONG IS SO PEAK I CANT BELIEVE THE CREATOR IS LKLE THIS
@@Lulusacrificethose 2 zundamon songs make me want to more more jump
Well there were some subtle loli undertones hidden in it i think
I mean that song is a banger
people comparing mimukauwa nice try to deco*27 songs upsets me sm . .
REAL LEAVE RABBIT HOLE OUT OF THIS…
REAL
So true. There is a clear difference
Rabbit hole also is speculated about the sexuality part of hypersexuality, what does the loli song represent... Idk liking kids ig
@@yami_yomiel ooh wait i love that thats so interesting [as someone with it]
i think pedophillic themes [or any bad themes] can be shown in media its just theres a very clear difference between when it's made to make the audience feel disgusted vs aroused [and mimukauwa, unfortunately, does the latter. ew . .]
Some people said that "oh new vocaloid fans being dramatic blah blah blah" but in this case they're right. Like its not mikus age we're talking about, its about what she IS on this MV
Not to mention people have ALWAYS been talking against loli shit in the fandom, like when that atrocity Loli Island came out. Even worse that the creator used Voicebanks voiced by actual CHILDREN for it,,
Like I get that the small loud few that take Miku's 'canon' so seriously they attack any derivitaves have sorta warped the 'older' fans to becoming gatekeepy/dismissive but people have always spoken out against loli/pedo shit!
@@GenesisParaki It stinks in here
@@awesomeTerrarian Don't respond to them just obvious ragebait account they joined today the more attention you give them the more they think that people care bout their words
@GenesisParaki I'm sorry but NO ONE is at your side😭😭 especially with that pfp
@ClovereOcto ah shit you’re right 😓😓 my bad
characters who look loli but are '2000 years old' are loli. it doesnt matter if the character actually a child in age. Its about the appearance of the character. If the character look like a little girl, its a loli.
If it looks like a little girl sounds like a little girl and is “1000 years old” it’s probably a loli
in my opinion, they have to be sexualized in as way in order to be seen as “loli”. an example of a reverse in this sense is Wamuu from jjba, he looks like a grown man and his age is in the thousands, however the age equivalent to that in human standards is just a teenager. I feel like the “looks young but is actually a billion years old or whatever” trope can only work without sexualization.
@@eemilyy good point…
@@eemilyyagreed
Im pretty sure its only loli if theres sexualization
Ntm Nunu Nonce has confirmed that "Uno Miku" is 10 so it's blazen
I think it’s weird that people act like Loli is the norm in Japan, most people in Japan will still think you are weird for liking it. It may be more socially acceptable there but most people are not for it.
we have no idea on knowing if it is the norm or not there, when majority of the Japanese artists/creators online act like it’s okay and that’s all that gets translated to us
@@comet4526 いや、間違いなく嫌われている。初期のインターネットではもっと普通だったけど、今はみんなそれがどれだけ悪いことなのか気づいている。2025年になってもまともな人はロリコンじゃない。
@@son_monkichi google translate user larping as japanese
Comparing Nice Try to Rabbit Hole is CRAZY. I swear people only conveniently remember that the vocaloid product is advertised with "canon ages" when the content that's being made with it is s3xually suggestive, but never when it's songs where vocaloid is used for an elderly character, or a character committing mrdr (not exclusive to adults, but most commonly carried out by adults). I've been saying this and I'll say it again: instead of worrying about an artist using an ADULT'S VOICE to create content that discusses s3xuality, perhaps worry about why CFM thought that creating a teenage anime girl mascot for their music software would sell better, AND WHY THEY HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME SINCE. No SERIOUSLY, every SINGLE vocaloid/vocal synth software advertised with a cute anime girl that is confirmed to be underage sells WAY better than any software that doesnt feature that. it is a WEIRD consistency that always makes me bristle.
If you don’t mind- can you sum this whole thing up in a few sentences? My brain doesn’t get it- sorry
Japanese culture and Moe culture. Miku was born when these two things were booming and then she make them *explode.*
For me, the issue is less about Miku's voice and more about how Deco went about the MVs for Rabbit Hole and Sad Sex Girl. He can and does commission artists to draw characters other than Miku for the MVs of his songs (including recent ones like Neverland, as well as earlier sexual ones, eg. Otome Dissection), but for some reason he not only deliberately chose, but paid to have a body-pillow style illustration for Rabbit Hole. Deco also started his short-form video social media campaign featuring PJSK Miku models modded to wear skimpy clothing dancing to his songs at the same time Rabbit Hole released. That, combined with Deco occasionally posting fictional conversations he has with Miku, and the way he's only used her voicebanks since 2008... It's hard for me to believe that there isn't something there.
...Also, Teto SV is the second most used voicebank currently and she's 30. Though I'm also not going to act like the 'cons aren't probably on chimera age copium about it, or that seeing Una SV or another SV bank supersede her in 2025 won't happen (will depend on SV2 and how many popular producers pick up Una or any new vbs that come out).
6:10 im pretty sure that the name “pure pure” is just the title channelstation(the creator of the popular mv) put as the sfw of their rabbit hole mv, for some reason people just decided that rabbit hole miku is not miku but a character named pure pure who has a similar design to miku. In other words, channelstation rabbit hole mv miku is miku.
I hate it when the song is pretty good but it is made by a horrible person :(
Excalty,I'm so tired of it
I knew it
You can still love the art, animation, song while not liking the creator
Who made the song
If you support the creation, you also support the creator because you are distributing their content@@Kyurigachz
I remember seeing a tweet comparing the song to Monitoring bc at the beginning there's a lyric that's censored that implies miku heard the guy... y'know... but the whole song is a misdirection as the guy is imaging most of the lyrics as miku is just a random office worker who is worried about her neighbour and he mistakes her worry as her wanting to make fun of him or her being obsessed with him. Like you cannot compare the two, it's crazy
Ohh, wait, i thought it meant like sobbing (that one monitoring lyric you mentioned)
@@NuMIoH yeah, she probably said something like she heard him whimpering from crying but the guy misunderstands it as something else thus leaving him to think she's making fun of him
The fact that the song has the word ''mesugaki'' in its title, a term that is used in lolicon CSAM, says everything about the intentions of this song...
"CSAM"
How so?
CSAM includes real children
@@kittkat-rl8fu WTF
@@alexv3372 what's wrong with my comment??
@@kittkat-rl8fu I’m sorry I didn’t know at the time I overreacted I didn’t know what that meant
people who call it chibi need to learn what chibi is, because you can take an adult character, make them chibi and you'll still be able to tell the character is an adult
rabbit hole is a banger proud to say I never hated on it cause she’s an adult and the song has an actual meaning besides sexual things (being afraid of being in a committed relationship)
THANKS FOR ACTUALLY EXPLAINING THIS DUDE I HEARD OF IT BEING PROBLEMATIC FROM SADIE AND I NEVER ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD
SAD1V MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥
@@GenesisParaki can we just (not) appreciate how this guy made his account 37 minutes ago just to post ragebait? :)
(no, seriously. do something better with your time.)
edit: OHHHH!!! IT'S A BOT!!! Y'all just report and stuff, bots on youtube aren't usually coded that well :P
@@GenesisParaki You are a child, step back from videos on topics like this. You obviously don't understand how seriously harmful it is to try and justify things like lolis. Educate yourself.
@@GenesisParaki you know, i dont have the energy to be that rude right now, so i'll leave you to it. i obviously don't support your statements, but everyone is entitled to their own words. i would suggest that you keep your interests private to the wider parts of the web, it could lead to harassment. all i really want to say, is that a lot of people dont like loli, and i prefer to stay with that side. i said hi, and now i will say goodbye :)
SAD1V MENTION!!!! I’ve heard of the song and creator being problematic too from her!
"You wouldn't survive the vocaloid fandom in the 2010's!!!!" "It's just pixels" "It's just a drawing" are the lamest excuses ever.
What your pfp is it real person on it?
Tuning vocaloid to not sound like themselves can be a skill (hiiragikirai does it in a GREAT way for example) and nununu CLEARLY does not possess that skill 😭😭😭 she sounds like a 5 year old that smoked 10 packs a day 💀💀
miku really let herself go 😔
@@GenesisParakiis that the zoophile symbol in ur pfp?
@@GenesisParakiWHY TF DO YOU HAVE THE ZOOPHILE FLAG AS YOUR PFP?!?!🤢🤢
reminds me of NT miku the way she sounds like her nose is blocked
SO TRUEEE and when I saw people comparing it to Rabbit Hole, it made me upset 'cuz she literally sounds like a balloon trying not to drown 😭😭
Personally, I just do not like this kind of sexualized content at all (and not just because I'm ace). Typically people that enjoy theses kinds of videos/fanart/etc. will give the excuse that "the characters aren't real! it's totally okay! they're just 2D!" but this only perpetuates the problem of showing minors in a light they are not at all meant to be shown in. Some people think there's nothing wrong with videos like this, and I'm glad more and more people are speaking out against the existence of these types of "bait" and--exactly how you put it--"content" videos.
@@GenesisParakioh, look, a zoo. I would unleash the crickets, but you’d probably try to do stuff with them.
@@GenesisParaki Calling yourself a zoosadist is arguably worse, my guy. Stop using the Zeta symbol to push that vile crap, go to church.
@@childeofepicknessplease don't give them any attention!
Your argument can be tweaked a little and it will perfectly descibe Blue Archive.
I got nothing against the game and I know this is the wrong place to say this, I just want to get this out there...
Everytime people compare Mimukauwa Nice Try to Rabbit Hole an angel dies
*insert funny original of how dare youtube hides this from me for milliseconds*
how dare RUclips hide this from me for 2,520,000 milliseconds
how dare yt hide this for me for 4 nanoseconds
i can't escape this goddamn song HELPP
Real
omg sora
I keep clicking "do not recommend," it does NOTHING.
@@Cinnaschticks ONG
@@Cinnaschticks YEAH X-X
FUNFACT , I saw ppl destroying Brazilian Miku bcz she used shorts , shorts being a Brazilian Common clothing cuz of the heat on Brazil
CRAZY
please tell me you are messing with me right? why omg
Shoutout to the girl who commented 64 times (and counting) and counting in the replies of these comments, who literally made their account an hour ago 😭😭😭 the engagement on this video is about to skyrocket
ragebait moment
“I like the song, but I don’t support the creator”
*the entire internet starts throwing tomatoes at me*
I mean I doubt they're doing that, other than like maybe a small very online twitter group who assume thag because the wiki says Miku is 17/white that any different interpretation is horrible and awful
Like for example, fucking HATE Masa, the guy. But his Onibi series is his only good work. I listen to reuploads of it.
I would go the "ohhh this community has a problem" although that's like. Every community, the sentiment would just lump in innocents with the weirdos
Anyhoo, if ya wanna listen to the song but not support the creator, I reccomend looking at remixes/covers! Would give you the closest thing without giving Nunu-Nonce views
@@gummywormee41 yeah! I’ve started listening to the Teto cover as well-
@@GenesisParaki I really hope you’re just ragebaiting.. i can already tell with that pfp and what you just said
Edit: THIS IS A BOT LMAOOOO IT WAS MADE 35 MINUTES AGO WHEN I CHECKED
Edit 2: when also said that they are 13 but identify as 16 years old wtf
@k4rr0t._.dragonz i like msi and stuff but i just download songs ciugh cough illegally cough cough and stream them that way without giving support to the creator 😋😋😋
bro tje animation like physically grosses me out i squirmed in my seat when i first saw it 😭
FR
not as bad as cosplays of it imo, i am normally not a hater but i just cant watch them without wanting to throw up
on a side note, GYARU TETO SPOTTED
How was it gross? What did it show....Without being too EXPLICIT
@@acidicplushie WHAT animation?
@@blytheist Stripper/playboy Miku? Of all characters to get GROSSED OUT BY in a "Haram" outfit, you chose to be grossed out by Miku? I mean, MAKES SENSE AS WELL TO BE DISGUSTED BY ANYTHING IN A PLAYBOY BUNNY SUIT!
I find it kinda funny how everyone keeps talking about how nununununununu is a lolicon but no one is talking about what satapanP is also a lolicon too💀(satapanP also makes brainrot shorts now and is kind of becoming a content farm channel)
Yeah, and these brainrot vocaloid producers like Nunu and that one are grooming kids through their brainrot videos.
SatapanP fell off hard, their last two songs barely got any views
I have no clue if they're still doing the shorts tho I didn't see any new shorts after the one promoting hetchaka(?)
wait is this real?
What?
noooooo not satapanP 😭😭😭 i genuinely liked some of their songs
So in short Nunu is a lolicon right?
Ye, I've heard he's also a ragebaiter but even then he's icky ya know
Pretty much
@@GenesisParakiPedo
@@GenesisParakiBro what
@@GenesisParaki 1.2/10 ragebait
Finally, someone is talking about this! I made a post about this a couple of weeks ago, but I had to take it down due to personal reasons. It's disgusting how people excuse this content just because it's miku.
@GenesisParaki ..?
@@dr.BACON_BABY They're ragebait account they're trying to get people mad for like few seconds of attention since they probably don't get much outside of RUclips comments or something like that
Oh, okay!@ClovereOcto
Ngl, as someone who’d watched some of ぬぬぬ videos before it’s not surprising at all. They drew Zundamon as looking really young and still did suggestive things (ex, having them tied up and their clothes partially off) , and even made an animation of Kaai Yuki (who’s voiced by an actual child) on a website with the corn hub colours/logo…personally that was weird to me but I didn’t really see anyone talk about it.
Also comparing it to Rabbit Hole even though Deco*27 literally has a song titled Sad Girl Sex is pretty funny to me (both Deco songs still have Miku appearing like an adult, but I think my autism makes it hard to guess how old people are so correct me if I’m wrong).
ironically though sad girl sex is like the least sexual in the recent deco line up
When I saw the MV I literally got traumatized since I could tell she was A LITTLE GIRL, and when I saw some of the comments some of them said “it’s just l0li bait!” And it literally just made me sick.
@ WHY THE F!CK DO U HAVE A Z00PHILE FLAG?!
its a drawing, a cartoon, but if it does give you such a reaction please avoid it. but i dont understand personally why people seem to address this things like its the same as being a person who preys on real kids. though, i admit myself, i can find some content that goes too far disgusting but this? i do not see the issue, personally
@ okay Tysm for being polite abt it, but her canon age in the 5-10 in the mv/song so that what creeped me out :)
@ki.44524 youre sick in the head bru
You weren't "traumatised" that's absolutely ridiculous.
The vocaloids are instruments but the thing is that the way nunu is using miku and their past history and the outfits? You cannot deny the song is lolibait. I mean nunu isnt even hiding it
the song is SO BAD even if it wasnt lolibait i wouldnt like it, like the way its tuned so that miku is “bratty” its so bad i cant listen to it keeping a straight face but instead laughing at how fucking bad it is likee…
Oh my GOD THANK YOU!! You're literally the first person I've seen say this. The song is SO doo doo but everyone keeps saying it’s “so good” 😞
I kind of dig the tunning, my ick is with the instrumental like IT'S SO AWFUL
@@MCQUEER--Some people like that type of tuning
Bro…everyone has their own opinion likee…
@@GenesisParaki WHAT ON EARTH IS YOUR PFP????
Ngl i really liked the video for its animations (apart from the weird cat-maid outfit or whatever that was), and i didn’t mind the song that much. But i genuinely paid no attention to any of the other weird sh1t in it. Thank you for clearing that up!!
NOOO EWW I THOUGHT IT WAS CHIBI WTF THANKYOU FOR TELLING ME
Ignore "GenesisParaki" Comments! They are a bot! They're trying to rage bait you.
What really bothered me is that in the music video, when Miku is posing on the table and saying "Neko", she's holding a sign that says something along the lines of "post your fanart of this costume with this hashtag"(?)
Nunununu is downright REQUESTING their presumably pretty young audience to draw them lolicon, and ngl it makes me sick
(Edit: the sign says "fan art is
Please post with the hashtag #hashtag. (Because I want to circulate it.)" I removed the actual hashtag since I don't want people looking for that kind of stuff.)
Human, they can just look for it in the video.
@@ericcarvalhoferreira512 I'm aware, I just don't want to be complicit in promoting their hashtag
Nunu doesnt have a young audience lol. The only young people watching his stuff are the (mostly non-japanese) people that watched the MV for the trend
@@suikabe i said presumably
@@S3nkz okay and i just said that thats not exactly right
Honestly I’m not surprised nunu is a lolicon considering another one of their songs features zundamon, who is a vocaloid with VERY childlike features, in an outfit that’s very similar to uno mikus ☹️..
Zundamon isnt a Vocaloid but a UTAU who also has a CeVIO and a SynthV (like teto) sorry im not trying to be an annoying fan but my perfectionism is uhm very harsh. Cough pls dont hate me
@@GenesisParaki holy shit I actually gagged at that bio
@@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis leta not give bait to them especially if theyre claimjng to be 13 in their bio 😭😭 but ur thougts are valid its just better off nit to reply to them cuh
@@awesomeTerrarian looking at his official channel, i already knew bro was weird with the thumbnails 😭😭 one literally depicts zundamon as a baby in a blanket with a pacifier. Not to mention the "femboy zundamon" mv... 😰😰😰
thanks, i was tryna understand why that video was controversial and this summed it up perfectly, thanks again....
@@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis how this thinking dumb yet this not dumb
They never even disguised it in the first place
It's nice to see an actual decent rant on things that doesn't just say nunu is a ... Nunu don't... Me.
Like disliking the song is fine, I'm iffy about it and am fully aware how that sort of content is legal in Japan for a reason. I still dislike it but would not go out of my way to harass a producer or compare them to actual criminals.
It's not just the fact that it's bad to call the producer such things, it's (unintentionally) undermining the real victims of such crimes and making it seem like a joke. It's also lumping real victims with fiction. As much as things are awful, the two should never be compared.
It's fine if a song makes you uncomfortable but the d1ddy jokes are awful and disrespect towards victims of similar crimes.
Wait...Diddy jokes....Is DIDDY referenced in the Miku animations, or people saying that Miku is being treated like a Diddy victim there
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 So a lot of people are saying things like the following.
Nunu diddles vocaloids
Nunu don't diddle me
Nunu is the new diddy
Sadieyay's comments are actually filled with them. Drake is also used sometimes and it's honestly sickening
@MiniEmber I'm pretty sure they're mocking him for sexualizing vocaloids. Also, are they from East Asia?
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 Diddy and Drake had victims. The mocking is disrespectful and is basically comparing drawing... Let's just say not so great things to real chidren going through it. Both are bad but should never be compared
@MiniEmberare you serious, lolicons are pedos you know. So the jokes making fun of lolicons are completely fine in my opinion.
OMDD I HAVENT SEEN TATTLETAIL IN AGESS
OH MY GOD REAL THAT SONG MAKES ME SO UNCOMFORTABLE. also miku sounds so weird i dont know why ?? 😭
Probally has the whisper up a whole ton
@gummywormee41 yeahh probably but it still sounds weird
She sounds like she needs a cough drop💀
@@sprinkleisdumbfr she sounds so dehydrated i swear 😭😭
and the whole oversized shirt thing is basically the concept of a cute little child wearing adult sized clothes that are too big for them
whats the problem with that? (genuine question not trying to be mean)
@@hampter-poemin regards to lolicon, it's more often than not meant to be that the loli is wearing the guy's shirt which implies intimacy, the reason the shirt in question is big is to further emphasise the height difference and the childlike body of the loli. It's also a fantasy
oh no my oc shizu I done in hs piss off people like you cry river a me
I was there when it came out, when it was a fresh new song
I clicked it to give it a listen,after all,i love nununu!
And...i could immediately tell what was going on
Not even a minute passed and i unfortunately was too aware of what Mesugaki trope is and could understand what people this song is pandering to.
So... unfortunate
The creator is a self-proclaimed lolicon. The song is about Lolis. Let’s be so fr guys the song is buns as well😭🙏
@@GenesisParakiim glad that we are separated by the internet 😨😨😨
Pls stay away from me
@@charlieyipeee bro no one wants to touch you😭😭😭
THIS SONG IS SO BUNS THANK YOU
I like the song
I could sense the potential sexual themes in this song , but due to the outfit(s) she was wearing, I was thinking the Miku in this was just a shorter adult. That may seem like a bit of a cope, but as somebody myself who is 23, 5'2, has a baby face and has a higher pitched voice, I was hoping maybe finally short adults got some rep, but the explanation of this Miku's title makes it pretty clear it's not.
Sadly shorter women are often fetishised by creeps like those for their childlike appearance and the most representation they get is degenerate stuff
i don't even care about the lolibait the song is ass
real
The only thing I like is the rhythm but the bass is unbearable
It's a GREAT SONG
good
I’ve known who ぬぬぬ was for quite a while now, but I had no idea that they had *that* kind of intention. I really liked Mimukauwa Nice Try when the song came out, but I didn’t realize that it was just pure loli content. This is just another example of enjoy the art (or in this case, music), not the artist.
Yeah same, really liked the song, never knew about this problem because I always see Miku in that video as an adult, didn't know it was intended to be loli
I was sick on Christmas so i understand the feeling. I'm glad to hear you're feeling better :)
i was disgusted by the official music video ever since i first saw it. it made me so mad to see that there are so many people supporting this in the comments, and no they are NOT only the Japanese comments. in the end lolicon is just sick art for pedos that ppl that they can say “isn’t bad because they’re actually adults” also i am so glad someone is actually talking about this thank you ( ´Д｀ )
Oh they don't claim that the lolis are adults they just say "it's just a drawing/it's not real" or something like that. They have no shame.
@@crocadino1 id personally rather they do that than actually harm real living children tbh
you could liken it to cnc in a way
Cool, anyways here’s the recipe for brownies:
1 cup butter, melted
2 cups white sugar
½ cup cocoa powder
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
4 eggs
Ty
Got the ingredients, now what?
You got the ingredients, but forgot the recipe part.
Kinda disrespectful ngl
I wasn't paying to mv details, I just thought it was a catchy song.
I just found out about what the creation of the song and i changed to the title of my video that has the song to “I do not support the creator of the song” because someone in my comments told me what the person was so yeah :>
I love the song so much, I really like it a lot :>
REAL!!!! i saw someone saying 'shes 16 how is it lolibait' like
look at the design and how they drew her and tell me that character looks anywhere near 16
and even still if she WAS 16 um
THAT WOULD STILL BE BAD !!!!!! 16 IS A TEENAGER!!!!!!!!!!!
Creator confirmed she was 10 plus Nunu is a known lolicon, whoever said that she was 16 is very! Dumb
I honestly couldn't tell because of the artstyle
@@GenesisParaki sexual art of fictional minors is still illegal :3
@soapart2 thats different from where ur living + legality ≠ morality
to make it worse, the creator confirmed she was 10...
@@GenesisParaki"Is fiction" Is a reflection of what you enjoy. Is incredibly weird and futile to think that fiction doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis sure pal lmfao
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis it can but not always, people who play violent games know not to re enact and have no desire to do irl, same for the vast majority who enjoy such like this. for me personally, it depends on the content. some things i find worse than others. but for the most part, if it stays fictional, i dont care
I thought she was 14?!
@ki.44524 theres a difference. violent games are not meant to make you feel turned on by the idea of violence. porn and nsfw is VERY different and several studies show that your fictional or porn preferences do negatively affect you, your mental health, and how you view partners. horror movies and shows dont tell you "this is sexy and you should be turned on by it" but this DOES. this is MADE for you to find sexual appeal in the idea of a defiant child. that is not NORMAL. porn has harmful effects, fictional or not, thats why studies on porn are being done less because the damage is THAT bad. also, in some scenarios, violence is able to be justified in real life. however, the assault or attraction to a child never EVER can be. thats why fictional rapists are hated more than fictional murderers. there is a severe difference in the mental damages caused by violent videogames vs porn
edit to add: its ok to explore taboo things in media, in games, in fiction, etc. the problem is when you publicly endorse finding sexual attraction to abuse, incest, rape, paedophilia, etc etc. violent videogames are not the same as fiction written to make you feel attracted to the imagery and depiction of rape or underaged characters
3:27 moaning uh? Whe- where was this supposed moaning I did a lesson to the original a couple of times before, but did we listen to the same version? Like I would say, I have a pretty keen ear, but I didn’t hear moaning in the slightest
I'm assuming the "Loser Loser" parts? They are, tuned a way to purposely sound like moaning/paired with her general sexualization
the zaakou zaakou part has vocaloid "breathing" noises
@ but that doesn’t count as moaning, but it’s just breathing yeah surely loudly but still just breathing i’m sorry if it seems rude, but do you just look at someone see them breathing, maybe loudly and you just say why are you moaning? 😂 imagine that is just a funny to me. I’m sorry if it seems rude
@@ma1-t1f i think they put breathing in quotation marks as a sarcastic way to say moaning 😭
@@TTUNLEZAHH I meant it more like, vocaloids aren't exactly good at making moaning noises, so it's sound more like asmr breathing
i usually wear big shirt no. trouser irl but not in a suggestive way:(
"okay! you win! now, i'll do whatever you wa-"
"go home. please. your free from the trafficers, they're gone now."
like bro fr acting like she finna be sold taken style to a 60yo man, get this 10yo character a loving home with a mother and father that care for her
like, its insane to me how people can be so open about this insanely disgusting fetish.. like, be open about this kinda stuff on a website MADE for that stuff.. THIS IS RUclips....
Dude the most annoying part is people using THE ORIGINAL SONG EVEN THEY DON'T SUPPORT THE CREATOR. ...please use other sources not the og one i beg...
Like there's an, Ust avalaible! I'd love to see better covers of it
There's like an English Cover but its. VERY brainrot
@GenesisParaki I can see you're a troll account brotha "joined 43 mins ago" hope you have your fun but have the worst of fate after that
@@GenesisParakiThe creator deserve to be in jail
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis
No
Wtf I actually liked the song, WHY DOES THE CREATOR DO THIS I'M CRYING OMFG 😭
im just surprised nobody figured it out instantly. a song about miku giving into implied sexual fantasies if you win a game of cards with maid cat art? drawn in a chibi style? i dont particularly ever trust anyone who draws nsfw or suggestive art in "chibi styles" because more often than not they are portrayed to LOOK like kids. the song is a banger but theres sm better songs by sm better people than someone whos attracted to the idea of little girls in sexual scenarios.
again it isnt about the pixels itself its abt the fact youre attracted to the idea of a child
Same, i have always suspected NuNuNu's weird liking towards Loli stuff ever since the song about Zundamon's gender (Yknow, the h*mping one, that one traumatized me lol💀)
and a real life child is not an “idea” lol .
@ionanya Just curious, if you got off to a picture of someone of the same gender, what does that mean for you?
HELP THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SEEING YOUR CHANNEL AND YOUR OC IS SO COOOOL
im glad i did ignore the music video. the vibes i got from the design made me feel alarmed. good to know i was justified :'3
not even 10 seconds i i left the video and clicked “don’t recommend channel”
why is your model dark skinned, but your pfp and the cover of this video have light skin? Are they different characters or
im pretty sure hes said before that there was a miscommunication with the person who made her model!
@@luuvcatz ahh ok then
i was wondering the same thing! my first assumption was that one was a character and the other was their sona lol
can you fix it
I just wanna enjoy my silly robot girl songs without freaky child content :(
Some ppl gotta ruin everything
Yeah de Nile is a river and I'm swimming in it lol
i saw the thumbnail for that song and IMMEDIATELY RECOILED BECAUSE WHAT. IS. THAT…?
I love the song, I kinda dig the raspy voice but I get why people wouldn't like it.
I JUST realized how sexual the song is, the song itself is Miku acting bratty and she's dunking the audience, it's like a meme song but at the same time CONSIDERING everything you mentioned in the video- it really feels like a Lolicon bait (or literally one). Not to mention the maid outfit and sexual poses.... I really don't know what else to say and I'm sad to find out that the song I like is made by a bad person. Thanks for letting people know about this.
Not related to the topic but curious why your characters skin tones seem so... Inconsistent? I saw many different thumbnails of yours and arts and theres always different shade of the skintone
Yeah I was wondering about that too
They had a problem with there modeler and the modeler made the mistake I think !!
the comment section of the mv is either just "noooooo its not l0li its just the artystyle!!!" or the "its just fiction!!!!!!!!" crowd who are getting mad at everyone for NOT liking l0li?😭😭 and it doesnt help that the song is dookie shart from a BUTT
Ngl I saw a ton of people saying "I don't support the creator" which was definitely confusing but this video is definitely clearing some stuff up. I don't really like the song but I've seen amazing covers in English which are honestly 100x better + quite a few of them don't include the suggestive content the actual song uses.
I js joined ur discord server today! ^^
😭 I already knew something was up with the song because she looked too small to be a adult
what a childish person here
@ are you talking about me?
@@Legosonicman not very smart, either
@@cabl7787 I’m not smart 😭
@@cabl7787 listen I didn’t think they were creepy enough to make her a child I assumed she was like 16 like because miku is 16 I didn’t know she was younger cut me some slack 😭😭😭
Im gonna be very honest: I dont/cant see miku in the uno mv as a child. but i *do* see the artists past and the conotations that you've discussed in this video,, and its looking grim,, Thanks for unpacking this Juni!
I absolutely despise the original Music Video and the Creator, but I still want to make an animation with the song using another character :( im using a cover and I wont use the original audio in my video so it wont give direct credit and support to Nununu but I still feel kinda bad for doing it. I dont wanna waste the progress I made so Idont really know if its morally ok for me to do this
@@GenesisParaki c'mon, you are 13, there's time to redeem yourself don't be like that
of course it is ok as long as you say that you don't support the creator
@@cassoliravioli they are obviously not 13
joined 1hr ago
Probably making a new account under some different name.
@@GenesisParaki nice ragebait, too obvious tho. 4/10
@@senbonzakura410 real
As someone who really likes the song, and thinks it’s funny, cute, catchy, and well animated, I can’t disagree with any of the points made against it in this video.
…However, I don’t like the rabbit hole take. ‘adult features’ don’t necessarily take away the fact that Miku is canonically 16. I think “she looks like an adult to me” is a poor argument.
Yeah, I agree. To me, that argument basically represents the other end of the creepy anime fanservice spectrum. Y’know, where like a character will be a teenager but there will be a lot of attention drawn to her “shapely figure” and she’ll be put in inappropriate outfits/situations (often full well knowing that the audience WILL largely consist of adults). Ugh.
@ amen
im so glad u talked abt this 😭😭 as soon as i watched the MV i knew it was weird and nobody ever mentioned the sexualization!! THANK U!
This was a nice explanation and all but I was waiting for you to add another finger to the little dude’s left hand haha
Woah I didn't know anything about the creator because I just saw this song and liked it (don't judge me please) now I know and wow I think my playlist is gonna be a little bit shorter after this one
Also don't search fan art of the song you'll be disgusted
in my opinion mimukauwa is just as bad as shota shota island. vocaloid producer try not to be a gooner challenge!! (GONE WRONG)
@@GenesisParakirage bait ass account ur not fooling me bro 😭
can antis like you grow up already stop being childish for once challenge?
@@SleepyRulu anti?? hello?? 😭
@@GenesisParaki The creator of shot4 shot4 island also made songs with Kai Yuki, a vocaloid voiced by an irl child. Both are not fine and there is a reason why people hate that producer.
@@byakuyatogamiworshipper you act like this end of the world its not that deep and breath a little
I do think the subject in question looks incredibly childlike and more so than rabbit hole, but in making the comparison, I’m not sure rabbit hole gets safely over the line either
Blue archive fans: so i can have it?
Finally someone speaks out about this, the MV really was making me uncomfortable and I thought I was the only one since everyone was using it. I personally feel like there should be a trigger warning if you're going to flash me with very clearly nsfw drawings.
C'mon, I just made a fanart of this Miku... should I remove it?
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I think removing it and then apologizing is a good idea. I'm sorry about this 😢
@@pastelcatnip well, considering the amount of followers I have there's not much people to apologize for lol, I'll just private it for now
no lol
@@pastelcatnip what and who do they have to apologize to lol stay in touch with reality its a CARTOON
Hey this is off topic but why does your vtuber have darker skin then when you draw your persona?
Im just wondering because it seems like the same character plus you do use it to represent yourself!
I think they said that there was a miscommunication with the person that made the model
@Fran-Oewm9 yeah but im pretty sure it is a fixable problem. I really don't know why artist didn't come up with a solution. Maybe the author is who is at fault?
Its just so strange not to fix it 😅
Its not even hidden the song itself is very lewd in nature there's a lyric implying she’ll do the funky with you if you win 😭😭😭
No? She said she'll "do whatever this guy wants" , youre just adding extra context to it
THANK GOD I WASNT THE ONLY PERSON WHO THOUGHT THIS I WAS WONDERING HOW NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS YET
They didn't even try to hide it
I don't understand why is it do popular though
Mediocrly catchy beat, made to be made into animation memes, and made by the Mayo Chicken guy
@@GenesisParakithey aren’t plus your pfp checks out your a freak
@@gummywormee41 that applies to rabbit hole miku and happy by Phil William
@GenesisParaki thats obviously ragebait account do something funnier to bait
because uno
why is the speedpaint white but the vtuber design black
I think they said there was a miscommunication with the person who made the mode of the V tube
Im a person that likes "Mimukauwa Nice Try" and its not the context i like (Hell no) its the song itself and the artstyle. I hate the context behind the song and the fact this miku LOOKS like a child, is absolutely disgusting :(
I simply just ignore the meaning and Imagine this is coming from an adult, since i actually like how it sounds :(
Dawg i saw the sing the other day and it was actually good , i did NOT realize the meaning :( , i thibk i have it saved on a youtube playlist , im gonna remove it after watching the video
@@GenesisParaki uhm..what?
@@GenesisParaki I get what you mean , but it's still sexualizing younger girls nonetheless :/
@@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis don't mind them, they a zoo so ofc they will say that
@INCREDIBOXIAN_LOVER123 don't mind them, they a zoo
So ye,original Miku does not have a canonical age,but if this one has,then i won't defend Mesugaki Miku
It’s a fake character and you can do whatever you want. Art is subjective. Music (especially in Hiphop) has sexual things in it too, but everyone seems to enjoy it. If you guys don’t like it do as you tell everyone “it’s not made for you, so don’t watch it”.
Also you just discredited short girls because they don’t have “adult figures”. Sorry that my body type looks like a “child” to you but some people don’t have big tits and are tall. Some short women love wearing cute, big clothes because it makes them look cute or it’s the only thing we can buy. Loli didn’t mean “child like” it meant “a small body type”, but people changed the meaning because you guys wanted something to complain about since you didn’t understand it.
This is why Japan gets so upset with us now because Americans don’t understand something they put their own meaning or ideas to it. It’s like the race swapping. If you are fine with erasing another POC then you are a hypocrite for getting mad at others who do their own thing.
i fear you are missing the point, the creator IS a lolicon and IS a weirdo, for fucks sake the creator likes kids!! i understand where ur getting at but cmon dude it sounds like ur defending a pedo.
This❤❤❤ We need more people like you this video is so pathetic help
@@kodafangsxcan we please stop accusing lolicons of being actual criminals there is a difference
Wow, tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video. *The creator has said he specifically drew her to be 10.* The RUclipsr literally said that in the video. That could not be further from subjective. But by all means, if you feel that defending a pedophile is that important to you, be my guest.
@OhGoodieGumdrops did you even watch the video?
“oh new vocaloid fans are so dramatic blah blah blah” brother as someone who’s been here since 2016, just because it’s “normal” doesn’t mean it’s okay. we thought ts was weird back then too, there was just more of it
0:47 which it doesn’t make sense by the name that they know it by you if you know the definition and also what they classify it as its factually wrong since of these not all of them are children, some of them are but not all
Uno Miku is literally stated to be 10/ is made by a lolicon for lolicons. She's pretty obvious Loli Bait
@ just using it as Loli bait doesn’t make sense just by the name it makes more sense if you call it lolicon bait since loli is just the body type with cutie aesthetics lolicon is the same thing but that character doing or being or whatever something which is suggestive
wowiee love the new video juni keep it up. :3
Personally, i like the song, the tuning is nice and i appreciate it. This doesnt mean i support lolicons or lolis. Thats why i download songs and stream them without supporting the creator (unless its someone who deserves it) 🤫🤫
@@GenesisParakiWdym? This argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It is extremely weird and futile to think that fiction doesn't affect reality. The creator is just a creep predator
@@GenesisParaki its not that its a fictional character, its the fact that theyre displaying a MV with miku (who, in the mv, is a YOUNG CHILD according to nununus description of said miku) in a sexual nature that is uncomfortable and concerning. Im not saying dont support him if u disagree or agree or wtv its just that even if something is fictional, it doesnt mean it cant be intended or implied in a explicit and uncomfortable way. You do you, bro, but people have opinions and they should be respected (unless theyre completely immoral or illegal) 😋😋😋😋
I’m glad that this year is ending, what’s with people who are mostly loved by everyone get called out for being inappropriate with minors? I am happy that they get called out but it can get so repetitive when you hear it on RUclips a lot, I hope 2025 is a better year
off topic but TATTLETAIL MENTIONED (IN UR DRAWING) :D
I have the song on one of my playlists but I do not at all support the creator bc wtf😭💀
But thank you for explaining. Sorry my comments are spaced out.