I think you’re spot on with needing to incorporate the QB run in the gameplan again. I was feeling the majority of the season they were trying to get JT’s arm talent on tape and pressed the pass game too much or they were just trying to avoid injury. Unfortunately that wasn’t avoidable but keeping him in the pocket so much limited one of his biggest strengths imo and thats creating plays when things go awry.
I love that FSU is always a major player to land these top guys in the portal, God bless TBE and all the fellow supporters. My solace in these dark times? Hogtown is irrelevant in these conversations 😂
Thank you for these videos. I always look forward to your instant reactions and your breakdown videos. As an alum and a lifetime FSU fan my X’s and O’s knowledge is very much lacking. These help tremendously!
@@XsandNoles I totally understand, man. Today's probably the first day I haven't been completely miserable or furious about the deci$ion (but there's a lot of daylight left). Just know we love the work you guys do and I personally look forward to those videos every week with all three of you.
@@XsandNolesplease do it. Aside from all the bs that happened with the selection committee, that was a fantastic game with a master class defensive performance. Also would like to see a breakdown of Brock’s decision making throughout the game…thank you!
Thanks for continuing to put out great content me personally I hope we get DJ with the backs we have coming back we could really hurt teams in the rpo and in the Red zone with a big strong quarterback u can run him there as well
Cam Ward is my top 1-5 choice. DJ reminds me of 2014 Jameis. Not the worst option, but he'll rack up turnovers. His hand placement early in his throwing motion is begging for strip sacks.
Not to mention lazy fakes on run plays and roll outs. Reason he killed Clemson, defense knew what was coming every play. West Coast is a easier style of football. FSU should stay away I believe
Just a few positions to load up from the portal and the retool year could still very much be in the picture for as much as they want to go work and achieve
I'll take cw..reminds me of a former cw at fsu n that was Charlie ward...Cameron ward has similar arm, athleticism and pocket presence and the intermediate passing style of Charlie ward which allows the athletes at wr to catch the ball and then make something happen. Fast break 2.0? Dj might struggle in the acc with his % but fsu would be more quick strick with dj Both bring thier strengths but cw more consistent at dissecting defenses like a surgeon.
I’m always torn on the transfer QB. I think we have to weigh Tate plus knowledge of the system vs perhaps a more talented player but new to the system.
@@XsandNoles sadly we don’t have enough data on Tate to make a judgement. I just have a gut feeling that he’ll be capable but I’ll understand if the staff feels the need to bring in someone.
If we can get Cam Ward then I believe that’s too much upside potential to pass over, but DJU other than the toughness in the run, Tate is just as accurate if not better, and with all the reps DJU has it is unlikely to improve, while Tate likely can only get better with more love reps, also has 4 years in the system so that is a huge advantage in running Norvell’s offense.
To all the Nole fans that don’t like DJ. These two gentlemen have shown you why your opinion about him is irrelevant and wrong. My prediction is DJ will be the QB next season and a larger investment will be made in the trenches. Let Mike do this thing and be silent
Question is if we get him would mike diversify his passing concepts because this kid obviously really good at throwing the short quick game and letting athletes be athletes which we have a plethora of at the WR position.
Seems that every QB that balls out only does it in the Pack 12. Nix, DJ, and even Pennix all moved from places that play defense to air raid. Not sure anyone can tell if they will be good or close to good IMO.
I am ok with either. But naturally prefer Cam Ward as he is unfamiliar with the conference and team so as a result, does not bring perceived ( I stress that word ) baggage nor will the fans have a real idea of his capabilities so perhaps the expectations will be more realistic. I think given the preseason hype around JT and the team this past season, the fans fell for it, and as a result we all ( me included ) had unrealistic expectations. Which is why you saw EPIC meltdowns on TomahawkNation and the Noles247 gameday threads. Anyway, I'd prefer we land Cam Ward, but DJU would not be bad either.
Cam Ward & Dante Moore are the best fits. But due to the high demand & NIL/Money they may have to settle for another QB. Such as MJ Morris, DeQuan Finn or Grayson McCall.
I only watched a small portion of a UCLA game that Moore started and I was not at all impressed with him. But I would be curious what Kev and CoachAB thinks about him and some of the other QB's.
DJ is a non take IMO. All of those "he got away with that one" are picks over here. I just watch Pack 12 and they play is a 7-10 yards off on almost every play. It's crazy
You might as well get over all that not a take nonsense. DJ will be an immediate upgrade to the QB room and give FSU a better chance of winning games it should probably lose next season. Defense and offensive line is the investment that must be made with this stop gap at QB.
He went for 22 TDs against 7 INTs in his last season at Clemson, and that was playing in an offense that didn't fit his skillset. He'll be fine against ACC defenses, and I think Tokarz would get more out of him than any of his previous QB coaches.
DJ would be the best version of himself at FSU. Think about who he'd be throwing too...come on man. He would probably look better than he actually is just because of the system and talent around him.
@@JesseDouglas456 He got benched and they he looked bad. I am not sure Tate is a drop off from him aside from running him more. He will not be an upgrade IMO and more likely be turnover prone.
@@tommygunzz8117 Too early to make a call on Brock. Guy missed half the year and got thrown into the ACC championship game at 18 years old against a top 15 defense with a banged up OL.
I'll add that Tate wasn't put in a great position in an emotional rivalry game in the swamp either. I would hesitate to make harsh judgements on either having to operate a team which in effect shouldn't have been theirs to operate
How do y'all feel about Ward throwing in breaking routes even routes like an eight or a six And I feel we may not have the money to get Ward but I think we could get in the playoffs with DJ, even though he isn't the best option
We thought the same with Glenn but he hardly played...next year we have to blow teams out by halftime and get the backups to create depth incase of injuries and yo become starters in the future.
The fact that we’re even in heavy consideration for these top portal QB’s just shows you how far the program has come in the last few years.
You guys are crushing it this is exactly what angry Noles need to plow forward after a week of grieving it is time, lets go family
I think you’re spot on with needing to incorporate the QB run in the gameplan again. I was feeling the majority of the season they were trying to get JT’s arm talent on tape and pressed the pass game too much or they were just trying to avoid injury. Unfortunately that wasn’t avoidable but keeping him in the pocket so much limited one of his biggest strengths imo and thats creating plays when things go awry.
I love that FSU is always a major player to land these top guys in the portal, God bless TBE and all the fellow supporters. My solace in these dark times? Hogtown is irrelevant in these conversations 😂
Lets gooo, future bright as hell lets get it boys. Love this team and staff not just Mike anymore hope we keep almost all position coaches
Cam Ward by a mile. Pay the man
Cam Ward to the Noles
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Thank you for these videos. I always look forward to your instant reactions and your breakdown videos. As an alum and a lifetime FSU fan my X’s and O’s knowledge is very much lacking. These help tremendously!
WOW, I need to increase my donation to TBE...we're going to need Ward. 😊Good work guys!
Crazy how NONE of my anger has subsided. Not till we get Justice
Are you guys going to do a film review of the Louisville game? I'd love to see one.
It's not off the table but I think we needed a second to let things air out
@@XsandNoles I totally understand, man. Today's probably the first day I haven't been completely miserable or furious about the deci$ion (but there's a lot of daylight left).
Just know we love the work you guys do and I personally look forward to those videos every week with all three of you.
@@XsandNolesplease do it. Aside from all the bs that happened with the selection committee, that was a fantastic game with a master class defensive performance. Also would like to see a breakdown of Brock’s decision making throughout the game…thank you!
IMO, Ward is the better fit for Norvell’s offense.
Thanks for continuing to put out great content me personally I hope we get DJ with the backs we have coming back we could really hurt teams in the rpo and in the Red zone with a big strong quarterback u can run him there as well
Both would great pick ups !!!!
I'm not gonna lie, I'd welcome DJ Uiegele with open arms and maybe it'd be a match made in heaven we never expected.
Cam Ward is my top 1-5 choice. DJ reminds me of 2014 Jameis. Not the worst option, but he'll rack up turnovers. His hand placement early in his throwing motion is begging for strip sacks.
Not if Norvell develops him and the turnovers reduce. I think DJ has potential to be great in our offense.
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.
I like DeQuan Finn as a possible transfer quarterback.
Not to mention lazy fakes on run plays and roll outs. Reason he killed Clemson, defense knew what was coming every play. West Coast is a easier style of football. FSU should stay away I believe
What's up fellas & whoever Coach Norvell brings in will be awesome! GO NOLES #MIKEGOTUS
Just a few positions to load up from the portal and the retool year could still very much be in the picture for as much as they want to go work and achieve
Id rather have DJU i know thats shocking to people. I just think he is more stable. Leadership and fit are more important
I'll take cw..reminds me of a former cw at fsu n that was Charlie ward...Cameron ward has similar arm, athleticism and pocket presence and the intermediate passing style of Charlie ward which allows the athletes at wr to catch the ball and then make something happen.
Fast break 2.0?
Dj might struggle in the acc with his % but fsu would be more quick strick with dj
Both bring thier strengths but cw more consistent at dissecting defenses like a surgeon.
I’m always torn on the transfer QB. I think we have to weigh Tate plus knowledge of the system vs perhaps a more talented player but new to the system.
Yeah I think that all needs to be part. What can you get with the money saved for DJ? Is his upside much better than Tates?
@@XsandNoles sadly we don’t have enough data on Tate to make a judgement. I just have a gut feeling that he’ll be capable but I’ll understand if the staff feels the need to bring in someone.
If we can get Cam Ward then I believe that’s too much upside potential to pass over, but DJU other than the toughness in the run, Tate is just as accurate if not better, and with all the reps DJU has it is unlikely to improve, while Tate likely can only get better with more love reps, also has 4 years in the system so that is a huge advantage in running Norvell’s offense.
To all the Nole fans that don’t like DJ. These two gentlemen have shown you why your opinion about him is irrelevant and wrong. My prediction is DJ will be the QB next season and a larger investment will be made in the trenches. Let Mike do this thing and be silent
Thanks guys. A little distraction with some quality Nole content is welcomed.
Agreed SUPPORT the Battles End!!!!
DJ is like Tebow -- size, run skill, and the wind up throw.
Question is if we get him would mike diversify his passing concepts because this kid obviously really good at throwing the short quick game and letting athletes be athletes which we have a plethora of at the WR position.
Yeah I think they would try to but end of the day their offense is their offense
@@XsandNoles I think what we do now works a lot better if our run game is consistently good to keep us from so off schedule
Great video thank you guys needed thos hope for the future
Great Idea!
I’m favoring Cam too guys.
Sheesh. I'm here watching this video for Cam Ward and then sitting here like "who tf is this Josh Kelly kid?!". Need to give him a shout too 😳
Fully on board for Cam Ward, but I see DJ as just a slightly upgraded Rodemaker.
Go Noles!
My outside theory is Dillon Gabriel. He took over for McKenzie Milton at UCF then transferred to Oklahoma. He seems to be a Mike Norvell kinda guy.
One can dream
If the Oline sucks it won’t matter which guy we pick up. I say focus on the Oline and prep Tate. Go Noles!
yeah no, its gonna be Tates last year, he hasnt developed much in 3 years, not gonna change year 4.
Really awesome
Push the chips in on Cam
great content
Seems that every QB that balls out only does it in the Pack 12. Nix, DJ, and even Pennix all moved from places that play defense to air raid. Not sure anyone can tell if they will be good or close to good IMO.
I kind of agree. Seems more than a coincidence these guys who were mediocre on the East Coast would all go off out there
@@XsandNolesit's cause it's no defense in the pac..veery overrated conference that gets exposed in the playoffs every year.
Can't wait for the Walkon War Bowl Dec. 30th
I think DJ would not be the worst thing in the world
I am ok with either. But naturally prefer Cam Ward as he is unfamiliar with the conference and team so as a result, does not bring perceived ( I stress that word ) baggage nor will the fans have a real idea of his capabilities so perhaps the expectations will be more realistic. I think given the preseason hype around JT and the team this past season, the fans fell for it, and as a result we all ( me included ) had unrealistic expectations. Which is why you saw EPIC meltdowns on TomahawkNation and the Noles247 gameday threads. Anyway, I'd prefer we land Cam Ward, but DJU would not be bad either.
Got to grab cam ward to win a Heisman. Ward weinkie Winston ward.
Cam Ward & Dante Moore are the best fits. But due to the high demand & NIL/Money they may have to settle for another QB. Such as MJ Morris, DeQuan Finn or Grayson McCall.
I only watched a small portion of a UCLA game that Moore started and I was not at all impressed with him. But I would be curious what Kev and CoachAB thinks about him and some of the other QB's.
Love your show. But a 'next real push'. The question becomes a next real push for what? Do we continually get screwed again?
12 team playoff
Do you think the backups QBs should be similar skill sets or contrasting to the starter?
Best available and you work it out imo
Let's take both just to be safe for the top 12 next year...
Ward would be nice but I think you can get dj cheaper and spread the extra money around
Probably. It really depends on who you get with that money
That’s a good point, I’m glad we have Mike and Ingram making those choices😂
Give me Cam Ward in my opinion. Seems like there are a few too many question marks with DJU. Do both of them only have one year left?
Yup one year rentals
We could just pack the Orange Bowl and make UGA play a FSU home game and regardless of the outcome... chant until the BATTLE'S END!!!!
Don’t see many Noles going to the Consolation Bowl. Who cares?
DJ reminds me of EJ
I like that comp
i joined TBE
DJ is a non take IMO. All of those "he got away with that one" are picks over here. I just watch Pack 12 and they play is a 7-10 yards off on almost every play. It's crazy
You might as well get over all that not a take nonsense. DJ will be an immediate upgrade to the QB room and give FSU a better chance of winning games it should probably lose next season. Defense and offensive line is the investment that must be made with this stop gap at QB.
He went for 22 TDs against 7 INTs in his last season at Clemson, and that was playing in an offense that didn't fit his skillset. He'll be fine against ACC defenses, and I think Tokarz would get more out of him than any of his previous QB coaches.
DJ would be the best version of himself at FSU. Think about who he'd be throwing too...come on man. He would probably look better than he actually is just because of the system and talent around him.
@@JesseDouglas456 He got benched and they he looked bad. I am not sure Tate is a drop off from him aside from running him more. He will not be an upgrade IMO and more likely be turnover prone.
Why is the QB room so subpar after 3 classes?
I think JT was just that good tbh
@@XsandNoles noted. But why is the 2nd and 3rd options so "meh"
@@tommygunzz8117 Too early to make a call on Brock. Guy missed half the year and got thrown into the ACC championship game at 18 years old against a top 15 defense with a banged up OL.
I'll add that Tate wasn't put in a great position in an emotional rivalry game in the swamp either.
I would hesitate to make harsh judgements on either having to operate a team which in effect shouldn't have been theirs to operate
@@tommygunzz8117because they hardly played and they got a chance we was running the clock out instead of going for style points
The good news is that both of these QB’s are experiencing operating from behind a non-elite OL.
Cam Ward looks like Vince Young with the way he’s throws and run. Need him not the which DJ you get today!!
How do y'all feel about Ward throwing in breaking routes even routes like an eight or a six And I feel we may not have the money to get Ward but I think we could get in the playoffs with DJ, even though he isn't the best option
Ward is fine throwing most throws on the field. Accuracy may give out a bit on deeper passes but there's not a huge sample size to draw from
I will take Cam Ward over DJ 🤷🏾♂️
I think you guys should do a review of Dewuann Finn from Toledo. To me he is better than DJ
Arch Manning
Getting a qb is a waste of money when we could get top d linemen. we need to build up kromenhoek and let him get game time
We thought the same with Glenn but he hardly played...next year we have to blow teams out by halftime and get the backups to create depth incase of injuries and yo become starters in the future.
Check out Jordan McCloud. Cheaper NIL $$$ option than Ward or DJ but similar JT skillset
Good option no one ranking about...more proven in the big 10 then a pac 12 qb imo
So, Cam Ward is a better overall QB prospect than DJ?
Word on the street is that Cam will command close to $2M a year.
I want DJ we need height at QB position 6'4
Well we know it's not Brock and Purdy!! I'll just go through growing pains with Luke.
Ward👈
Bruh I’m so mad still
Rightfully so
To bad we can't sign both of them
Haha give to the battles end and see!
Why are you cherry picking plays from his best game of the year? What about clips from the stupid things he did while losing us 7 games?
If he’s so good, why is he not at Clemson? Bad coaching they’ll say. Haha ha, jokes on FSU.
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So if FSU brings in a transfer QB, do you guys think Tate enters the portal?
lol, why? Who would take him. I would be ok if he wanted to leave.
I think you're dramatically overestimating the quality of most P5 QBS
Just curious what you guys think.
I had a thought. Tate has a huge arm, but a very loooong throwing motion. He could do some damage behind an elite OL (Bama, Texas, Michigan, etc)
Y’all the best in the game hopefully something happens soon we need it go noles 🍢🍢