I couldn't stay away! After you watch this video, make sure you subscribe and check out some of my latest videos. The ECHO CS-620 has been ported by @superdaveoutdoors and I now own a 660Clone ported by @aaron A. Lynch. If you are new to the channel, I also had purchased a brand new Husqvarna 562XP and it sat in the shop for weeks with issues. Not a good deal for around $900. Video with a few of my saws running ruclips.net/video/xCDdKKD9Wok/видео.html
I happen to come across this on another you tube channel, and it may or may not apply to your chainsaws. I am going to test it on one of my leaking chainsaws, too. Quote - "I was told at the Husqvarna dealership that, when I am done using my saw put the saw down with the refill caps facing up and crack them loose and leave them like that during storage. He said the reason being with temperature changes, if the caps are tight the gas tank and bar oil tank will build pressure and push the oil past the oiler. I've done what he instructed 2 years ago and so far no bar oil has leaked out."
Appreciate that and will keep it in mind. I heard something like that before but I was worried I would forget and tip the saw up and loose oil that way! I am not sure I can win at that game 🤔
You say it just right! The Clone is a great toy that can be worked however the echo is more than likely going to be my workhorse from here on out. Robert, thanks for being here and sharing your thoughts! Have a good one.
The coils, you gotta pull em out and tweak the direction of the spring at the end, so it doesn’t push up against the outside edge of the casing. Gotta have it slightly tilted towards the center of the motor. Once I did that, never had an issue. Running a few of the Holzfforma’s for about 3 years now. Felling trees, cutting firewood and slicing slabs. Other issue is the bar tightened, just swap it with the Husqvarna part.
Joe, Glad you made this video. Ive been itching to pull the trigger on one of the 660 farmtec clones. Ive looked at the kits from HL supply to "build" my own and make a video on it. I get mixed reviews from videos online about the farmtec line. im glad to hear that orange Farmtec XP never let you down. Thank you
The blue g372 is 48mm (oem 365 4.5hp) Orange g372xp 50mm (oem 372xp 5.3hp) Both Non X-Torq specs. If not using top handle strictly for climbing would look into a 355t echo mine has almost as much power as the 201tc & feels better than buddy’s t540. It is clamshell tho, only echo mag case top handle is the 2511 but the .050 chain is jumpy.
Thanks for contributing all of this information! I am glad you mentioned the 355t because all you really hear about is 2511 online. Good input as always and thanks for being here!
After buying a 660 clone I decided to build a 372 clone. The one I built has far less issues than the one that came built. I would say build the saw so you can do a visual inspection on everything before it goes together, you can loctite the fasteners, and add sealant if you want.
What an excellent perspective and comment. I certainly want to do this myself because what better way to learn than to build something yourself. Did you end up using all the aftermarket parts? Thank you again.
@@oakiewoodsman I built the NeoTec 372 as it came except I widened the ports/intake/exhaust (not changing port timing), and added another tube to the muffler. The oiler came packed in cosmoline and didn’t end up working after I cleaned it out. They really are too difficult once you get past assembling the case halves which I used a tool for.
Thank you much. After this video, I ended up with a ported 660 clone. It was also profuse leaker as well. That saw was truly a spectacle and I enjoyed the crud out of it. I traded it for an OEM 460 and have been very happy with it.
My 372xp straight from the box had issues with the carb , both jets were way off. When set right it's great but wouldn't be consistent so I'm going to order a new warbro carb
Are you referring to a clone 372xp? I was thinking about ordering an actual oem type carb because many have mentioned doing it. I just couldn't reconcile spending 1/3 of the price of the saw on a carb alone. But.... if I did, I bet it would run even better! Thanks for the comment and let me know how the Walbro works out!
@@oakiewoodsman mine is the clone but the walbro hd-12 hd-6 is what's in a husqvarna and they're supposed to mate up to the clone saws. I just found one on ebay for $34 so i may go that route
I’m going to get a g660 soon there most reformed. I have dealt with the customer service 😆 after 4 emails and wanting a video for $8 credit said forget it. But definitely glad for aftermarket parts. I will buy that 27” echo bar/chain off you!
The G660 seems to be a great saw for sure! Seems like have got all the details worked out and are producing a decent product. As far as the 27" bar and chain, I am going to hang on to that one because I do have plans on using it! Also, the emails get old in a hurry. Not to mention, the emails take 24hrs between each because of the time difference. Thanks man!
@@oakiewoodsman Yeah going to build one. Rare I need more than a 24”-28” bar but have a tree on property that is 74”!! Definitely don’t want to lug around 20# saw but need to run a 36” and a Farmertec/Holzfforma is great affordable option looking into Neotec also.
@@zeromark202 I was interested in Neotec. It seems as if people have more luck with the 660 version rather than the 372 from what I can tell. I also like that they are not blue. Farmertec lost me for a time when they were not selling orange saws.
I bought the orange g372xp last summer for a toy, and not unlike yourself, wanted to know if I would truly get some use out of a bigger saw. After a few months of not being overly impressed with the lack of power, I tossed the cyl base gasket, modded the muffler, hogged out my lower transfers, tonsilled my intake, & polished the exhaust port. The results were fantastic of course. But yessir, there's something not quite right with the carburetor. The saw has always been an incredible gas hog. And siphons oil for hours after use. I've been kicking around selling it too.
You went far with it! Good job. @afleetcommand has done quite a few videos on these saws and I was nervous about longevity if it was pushed too much further. These definitely have their place though and certainly don't regret having started running larger saws with them. A good way to be familiar with how they operate and mechanically work. So many people can run a saw but don't understand the mechanics if it all! Thanks for the comment and for being here.
I have a 261cm and a 241cm and echo 590 and an older 029 super. My favorite saw is what I cut on the right of ways with and that was a husky 550 mark 2. I just like it better than my sthils. Im an auto-tune guy. Just like that feature.
@Oakie Woodsman Yes 550 over 261. It's worth getting the pro saw for sure. The 550 just felt better and it sure liked to rev. I grabbed that over the 562 most of the time.
Really?! You found yourself gravitating towards the 550 over the 562? Do you feel durability was good on the 550 and 562 based on professional usage? Better or worse than 261? What fuel and oil you using?
@Oakie Woodsman I run non ethanol. Mix 40:1. Husky oil. Most of the time. I also run vp full synthetic and Amsoil dominator and Lucas. But haven't noticed too much of a difference.
@@roweinnovation Thanks. I just recently mixed 2 gallons of 40:1 red armor. After running 25:1 in the clone saws and seeing they ran great I figure a little extra oil won't hurt the rest of my stuff. After reaching out to numerous saw guys that stay out of the Oil debate publicly, most run 32 or 40:1 from what I can tell.
I hate having to work on something before I can use it. Thats why I like the husky 5 series saws. I have a echo 500p and its a nice saw but you having the husky 545 so you really dont need a 501 and with you having the 620 you dont need a 562. So that only leaves your dream saw 572. I thinking about getting a 500i. So I would say your only going to be happy with the 572xp. I have a video comparing the 545 and 500p. I think its titled husqvarna 545xp mark2 vs echo 500p. Happy cutting .
You are probably right on that one. I will look for your video comparing the the echo and the 545xp. Thanks for the input! With all the wild weather swings we have in Oklahoma, autotune sure I'd a beautiful thing. One day it is 20 and the next 50.
@@oakeymt.outdoors me selling saws bought that 545 I have. A couple guitars bought the 620. I love having all the saws but after a while, I figured out what I really was going to use and decided to cut back. Less to keep up with for sure.
I am in the process of selling off my 60cc saws, I find myself grabbing my 70cc saws almost every time for a full day of cutting. They weigh only slightly more but have substantially more power.
@@oakiewoodsman My woodlot has Birch, Poplar, and various species of Pine and Spruce. I only have the weekends to cut firewood that I sell in the summer so I need to do fast production cutting, I find that a 70cc can handle a real aggressive grind on the chain and not bog down.
Could you please advice me on the best clone to go with at around 70ccs and then 92ccs in January 2025? I am half handy and like the accomplishment of putting together & fixing but it can take me a while to get around to it. My focus is on starting well and reliability rather than absolute speed and peak performance. I will probably only cut two or three trees maximum per year (8 to 22 inch White Oaks) unless I help out neighbors after hurricanes here in Florida a couple times.
I am not sure I could completely advise you here. Lots of variables and I think you stopped by and watched one of my better videos explaining it. I would encourage you to check out my most recent video on a new clone I have been running. ruclips.net/video/bZPISurvCls/видео.html
I have the blue one as well, and it's had a run issue since i got it, likely a carburetor. Always runs rich, and nothing i do on the high side adjustments work either. Sounds like the same issue
I’ve had nothing but good things to say about my holzforma 372 , even if ya wanted to get a Walboro carb and put it on it you’d have maybeeeee 500$ into a 70cc saw, 28”bar , I feel like if ya can’t replace a on/off switch that’s 9$ or something easy like that then you should have someone cutting your trees for ya anyway IMO you can buy a 1200/1300$ saw n still have the same problems
I hear what you are saying and agree with much of it. I would simply challenge you to consider one thing. I believe that every product has room for improvement simply because of diminishing returns. What I mean is this. While the clone saws are totally serviceable and I personally have had mixed results with excellent and subpar results, there are corners being cut. Like you said, the carb is one example and the switch is another. I actually purchased probably 5 of the cheap switches and I simply got cheap switches that didn't last very long. I think it would be worth buying a better quality switch. I had a coil failure on a 372 and because I had a second saw, it was no big deal to verify my diagnosis. I had the blue saw, the factory carb was NOT good. Those saws are a great value and certainly spending $1k + does NOT ensure trouble free or Good service. The way I look at it is this, we all value the various aspects of of the saws differently. One of my biggest complaints never mentioned in any videos that I can recall is the quality for the fasteners on the clone saws. They simply do not compare to a factory Bolt/Screw. I appreciate you watching and commenting! Have a good one and be safe
@@oakiewoodsman I agree, the other thing ppl never seem to take into consideration is that comparing a saw that’s 1200$ to a saw that’s 300$ isn’t a fair comparison at all… just because it’s a clone of the model, doesn’t mean they should be compared apples to apples , but either way a saws a saw n there awesome to run , no matter what ya spend it’s all in good fun 👌🤘🤘
Having chain oil leak out after you shut the saw off is a common problem, not just with Holzforma. Try undoing the cap allowing the pressure to bleed off. There's a pretty good chance that the pressure system that's being used is putting excess pressure into the oil tank and when you set it off that pressure is not bleeding off.
Thank you much. I appreciate the information on that. I am not sure my buddies OEM 372XT does that. I know that my clone saws of any make and model have been the largest offenders yet. I had a 660 clone do something very similar. I even tried removing the cap and storing it on its side and it still just flat out drained that oil tank. Thank you for watching and sharing. I wonder what is going on. My Echo saws stay pretty dry and my two 5 series Huskies do as well. We will see with time. I am kinda missing a 372 clone right about now.
@@reedswain5759 Wrong its a carbon copy of the Husky 372. Its a 2000's saw. introduced in 1999, out of production in 2011. 1980's is the 200's series Husqvarna's
My 27 year old stihl, and my who knows how old jonesreds 801 dont leak oil, nor does my ms460, I bought a holzfforma g288, leaked oil pretty bad, iv run about 10 tankers of gas threw it, and however much oil, seems to have stoped leaking, bought mine in October 2022, no carb problems either, so far I’m happy with the saw, will it last, don’t know,🤔
Amazing stuff! I do know that certain models of saws have a tendency to leak more than others due to the design they had. What ones, I don't actually know. Just something that I have heard and gathered after watching so much about saws. Hope you like the G288. I think these saws are great and as long as you have the right expecations about them, they are a good fit. They are super inexpensive to work one. A top end is so cheap if you go back with Holzfforma Stuff. Thank you for the comment and thanks for being here! Have a good one!
Welcome, I like the holzfforma so far, with a 24” bar, but the saw is pretty heavy, I’m thinking about close to 20#? Stihl 034 was my first saw in 1996, then a Shindiwa 488, ya, I like chainsaws,😂,mostly but the g288 to try something different, and pretty much for bucking. Keep up the cool content, 😎
Yeah bought a neotec 038 clone didnt even get a secondctank through it before it siezed or caught a ring whatever happened havent had time to look and now its way over the warranty it was overvtbe warranty before i couldvget it out ofvthe box.
That sure is a bummer! One of my more recent videos is how I am actually revisiting these 372 clone saw. Things have changed a lot for me and I have quite a collection of OEM saws now but when the opportunity arose to own a 372 pro I was excited and so far so good! I have owned one Neotec saw, and it was a ported saw by Aaron Lynch. The saw was well sorted and worked really well. The only two complaints I had about it was the choke assembly was very cheap feeling and kind of wanted to bind up, and the other thing was is that it leaked profusely. Thanks for watching!
Good tip for those trying to figure it out. When I took off the top end and swapped the carb out I didn't find any apparent air leaks and the boot was fastened well. Thanks for the comment because it certainly could help someone out!
@@alanruechel2240 that may be. Also, I am not sure that all the models are supplied from the same manufacturer. I think are quite a few outfits oversees making clone parts. I actually have a video on a Joncutter explaining this that I will be posting shortly. It seems that the same clone can be manufactured by various places at various quality level. The 660 seems ro be the right combination of design (the stihl part) and aftermarket part quality and assembly. Good to know that you had good luck with the 660!
I have a few of these clone saw a some leak bar oil and some don’t I’m just thinking and it’s only just now I haven’t even checked it out on mine yet ..I just wonder if they are building up pressure in the oil tank so maybe when putting the saw away open the oil cap to release pressure and tighten again ..I don’t know just an idea o must try
Interesting. That is a very good tip. I wonder if the pressure would build back up though kind of like when you let pressure off of a fuel can and then you can let pressure off again? Very interesting and I suppose I always assumed it was a leak rather than a pressure issue. Only makes since it could be. Thanks for watching and being here!
They are ok if you want to work on it from time to time. Very cheap! Leaks oil badly! I know that a true husqvarna cost more but you can run them for years with no issues. You get what you pay for
I agree with everything you said however there is always an exception to the generality of “you get what you pay for.” While I understand that there is no such thing as 100% reliable across 100% of a particularly well made model, OEM has its fair share of issues too. I have documented this well with the 562XP on my channel. You see, some will dismiss it as a 5 series saw and go back to the original 372XP models but I would argue that those have simply not been available for years. My friend just purchased a brand new 372XT today however those saws were riddled with issues out the gate. It is a hard thing to know how your investment will turn out. Hopefully this 562XP will be a good one in the end cause I sure love running it just like my 545. Thanks for watching and sharing!
first of all.... I am working with Saw Suppliers who happens to sell ECHO, but I have no particular loyalty to ECHO. I think they are great but my favorites saws to run tend to be Husqvarna Saws. The 7310 is for sure on my short list however. hahahaha... Thanks for watching!
@@oakiewoodsman oh man! I didn't mean anything negative by my comment! Actually, at one of my local saw shops I was just quoted $1100 CAD for a new Husqvarna 372 with 24" bar. I WAS sorely tempted but I seriously haven't got any reason for one! Yes, it was on the shelf ready to go. I was in picking up a 20" bar for my McCulloch Titan 57 and a couple of Stihl RS chains for it. Love that saw, sips gas and just eats through wood with efficiency. Not nearly the fastest but definitely isn't as slow as a Homelite XL12 and holds its own against the Proyama PCS68.
I understand where you are coming from but I want to make sure ppl know that I will criticize anything that I feel needs to be criticized and praise any product that deserves it. Thank you again friend!
Well, I understand where your coming from if you are professional or have access to good quality OEM saws. Or the other variable is plenty of cash to buy whatever your heart desires. I have neither and many people are in the same boat. These saws have their place and put firewood in my stove and logs on my mill. If you came from a homeowner saw, and can't spend 1200plus on a news one, there is a case for them. No catastrophic failures just piddly small things. Thanks for the comment!
Better to buy a good condition used saw from a quality maker, just as a used BMW is better than a Dacia. You will get reliability, safety and good parts backup. Here in UK you can pick up the smaller pro saws affordably and right now I could buy a Stihl 660 in very tidy order for £300. However, I see you've saved up and got a CS620. Which will have opened your eyes.
Appreciate the comments from over in the UK! An 044 or 066 around here has been fully used up and all the rest available are homeowner/ranch platoc clamshell saws. If the better saws are in good shape you can pretty much buy a new one for the price they are asking. Appreciate the comment and your perspective!
Wow! Those would be wonderful saws for sure. Those earlier Stihls seem to be incredible that last a lifetime. These clones certainly cannot stand up to them and simply are rubbish. In the context of those saws being available, one would be foolish to spend the money on a Chinese saw. Thanks Skip Mole!
I couldn't stay away! After you watch this video, make sure you subscribe and check out some of my latest videos. The ECHO CS-620 has been ported by @superdaveoutdoors and I now own a 660Clone ported by @aaron A. Lynch. If you are new to the channel, I also had purchased a brand new Husqvarna 562XP and it sat in the shop for weeks with issues. Not a good deal for around $900. Video with a few of my saws running ruclips.net/video/xCDdKKD9Wok/видео.html
I happen to come across this on another you tube channel, and it may or may not apply to your chainsaws. I am going to test it on one of my leaking chainsaws, too. Quote -
"I was told at the Husqvarna dealership that, when I am done using my saw put the saw down with the refill caps facing up and crack them loose and leave them like that during storage. He said the reason being with temperature changes, if the caps are tight the gas tank and bar oil tank will build pressure and push the oil past the oiler. I've done what he instructed 2 years ago and so far no bar oil has leaked out."
Appreciate that and will keep it in mind. I heard something like that before but I was worried I would forget and tip the saw up and loose oil that way! I am not sure I can win at that game 🤔
When that cs-620 breaks in and a muffler mod it’s a great saw with a 24in bar! The G372 is a fun toy too.
You say it just right! The Clone is a great toy that can be worked however the echo is more than likely going to be my workhorse from here on out. Robert, thanks for being here and sharing your thoughts! Have a good one.
The coils, you gotta pull em out and tweak the direction of the spring at the end, so it doesn’t push up against the outside edge of the casing. Gotta have it slightly tilted towards the center of the motor. Once I did that, never had an issue. Running a few of the Holzfforma’s for about 3 years now. Felling trees, cutting firewood and slicing slabs. Other issue is the bar tightened, just swap it with the Husqvarna part.
Appreciated. This may come in helpful to someone. Thanks for contributing!
Joe, Glad you made this video. Ive been itching to pull the trigger on one of the 660 farmtec clones. Ive looked at the kits from HL supply to "build" my own and make a video on it. I get mixed reviews from videos online about the farmtec line. im glad to hear that orange Farmtec XP never let you down. Thank you
You will need to see my Neotec ported 660. 😉
The blue g372 is 48mm
(oem 365 4.5hp)
Orange g372xp 50mm
(oem 372xp 5.3hp)
Both Non X-Torq specs.
If not using top handle strictly for climbing would look into a 355t echo mine has almost as much power as the 201tc & feels better than buddy’s t540. It is clamshell tho, only echo mag case top handle is the 2511 but the .050 chain is jumpy.
Thanks for contributing all of this information! I am glad you mentioned the 355t because all you really hear about is 2511 online. Good input as always and thanks for being here!
After buying a 660 clone I decided to build a 372 clone. The one I built has far less issues than the one that came built.
I would say build the saw so you can do a visual inspection on everything before it goes together, you can loctite the fasteners, and add sealant if you want.
What an excellent perspective and comment. I certainly want to do this myself because what better way to learn than to build something yourself. Did you end up using all the aftermarket parts? Thank you again.
@@oakiewoodsman I built the NeoTec 372 as it came except I widened the ports/intake/exhaust (not changing port timing), and added another tube to the muffler.
The oiler came packed in cosmoline and didn’t end up working after I cleaned it out.
They really are too difficult once you get past assembling the case halves which I used a tool for.
I have seen the Neotec 372 saws come and they are fairly doggy. Did yours run well? Even with aftermarket carb?
@@oakiewoodsman I’m on the stock Neo carb. It’s pretty much all Neo except for the oiler.
very good. Thank you! Holding a tune well then?
You’re right on about those Holzfforma saws need to be able to work on them. Carburetor is the biggest issue
Thanks Tim! Definitely the right tool for the right person! Pretty fun for sure! Thanks for watching and being here.
Crack the oil cap when you are not using them. And or tighten the adjustment screw. Also summer blend oil works too.
Thank you much. After this video, I ended up with a ported 660 clone. It was also profuse leaker as well. That saw was truly a spectacle and I enjoyed the crud out of it. I traded it for an OEM 460 and have been very happy with it.
My 372xp straight from the box had issues with the carb , both jets were way off. When set right it's great but wouldn't be consistent so I'm going to order a new warbro carb
Are you referring to a clone 372xp? I was thinking about ordering an actual oem type carb because many have mentioned doing it. I just couldn't reconcile spending 1/3 of the price of the saw on a carb alone. But.... if I did, I bet it would run even better! Thanks for the comment and let me know how the Walbro works out!
@@oakiewoodsman mine is the clone but the walbro hd-12 hd-6 is what's in a husqvarna and they're supposed to mate up to the clone saws. I just found one on ebay for $34 so i may go that route
Very good!
Thanks for being here and commenting David! Have a good one sir.
Going with a Walbro carb solved out-of-the-box issues with mine
I’m going to get a g660 soon there most reformed. I have dealt with the customer service 😆 after 4 emails and wanting a video for $8 credit said forget it. But definitely glad for aftermarket parts.
I will buy that 27” echo
bar/chain off you!
The G660 seems to be a great saw for sure! Seems like have got all the details worked out and are producing a decent product. As far as the 27" bar and chain, I am going to hang on to that one because I do have plans on using it!
Also, the emails get old in a hurry. Not to mention, the emails take 24hrs between each because of the time difference. Thanks man!
@@oakiewoodsman Yeah going to build one. Rare I need more than a 24”-28” bar but have a tree on property that is 74”!! Definitely don’t want to lug around 20# saw but need to run a 36” and a Farmertec/Holzfforma is great affordable option looking into Neotec also.
@@zeromark202 I was interested in Neotec. It seems as if people have more luck with the 660 version rather than the 372 from what I can tell. I also like that they are not blue. Farmertec lost me for a time when they were not selling orange saws.
I bought the orange g372xp last summer for a toy, and not unlike yourself, wanted to know if I would truly get some use out of a bigger saw. After a few months of not being overly impressed with the lack of power, I tossed the cyl base gasket, modded the muffler, hogged out my lower transfers, tonsilled my intake, & polished the exhaust port. The results were fantastic of course. But yessir, there's something not quite right with the carburetor. The saw has always been an incredible gas hog. And siphons oil for hours after use. I've been kicking around selling it too.
You went far with it! Good job. @afleetcommand has done quite a few videos on these saws and I was nervous about longevity if it was pushed too much further. These definitely have their place though and certainly don't regret having started running larger saws with them. A good way to be familiar with how they operate and mechanically work. So many people can run a saw but don't understand the mechanics if it all! Thanks for the comment and for being here.
@@oakiewoodsman It was my pleasure. You've got an excellent channel
Thanks Chad!
I have a 261cm and a 241cm and echo 590 and an older 029 super. My favorite saw is what I cut on the right of ways with and that was a husky 550 mark 2. I just like it better than my sthils. Im an auto-tune guy. Just like that feature.
Interesting! You like the 550 over the 261 then? Feel, power weight? I live my 545 which is pretty similar to the 550. Thanks for the comment!
@Oakie Woodsman Yes 550 over 261. It's worth getting the pro saw for sure.
The 550 just felt better and it sure liked to rev. I grabbed that over the 562 most of the time.
Really?! You found yourself gravitating towards the 550 over the 562? Do you feel durability was good on the 550 and 562 based on professional usage? Better or worse than 261? What fuel and oil you using?
@Oakie Woodsman I run non ethanol. Mix 40:1. Husky oil. Most of the time. I also run vp full synthetic and Amsoil dominator and Lucas. But haven't noticed too much of a difference.
@@roweinnovation Thanks. I just recently mixed 2 gallons of 40:1 red armor. After running 25:1 in the clone saws and seeing they ran great I figure a little extra oil won't hurt the rest of my stuff. After reaching out to numerous saw guys that stay out of the Oil debate publicly, most run 32 or 40:1 from what I can tell.
I hate having to work on something before I can use it. Thats why I like the husky 5 series saws. I have a echo 500p and its a nice saw but you having the husky 545 so you really dont need a 501 and with you having the 620 you dont need a 562. So that only leaves your dream saw 572. I thinking about getting a 500i. So I would say your only going to be happy with the 572xp. I have a video comparing the 545 and 500p. I think its titled husqvarna 545xp mark2 vs echo 500p. Happy cutting .
You are probably right on that one. I will look for your video comparing the the echo and the 545xp. Thanks for the input! With all the wild weather swings we have in Oklahoma, autotune sure I'd a beautiful thing. One day it is 20 and the next 50.
@@oakiewoodsman weather is the same way here in North Georgia. I need to sell some of the saws I don't use anymore
@@oakeymt.outdoors me selling saws bought that 545 I have. A couple guitars bought the 620. I love having all the saws but after a while, I figured out what I really was going to use and decided to cut back. Less to keep up with for sure.
I am in the process of selling off my 60cc saws, I find myself grabbing my 70cc saws almost every time for a full day of cutting. They weigh only slightly more but have substantially more power.
May I ask what you are cutting and what you were cutting with 60cc and bow cutting with 70cc? Thanks for the comment. I appreciate your input!
@@oakiewoodsman My woodlot has Birch, Poplar, and various species of Pine and Spruce. I only have the weekends to cut firewood that I sell in the summer so I need to do fast production cutting, I find that a 70cc can handle a real aggressive grind on the chain and not bog down.
Very good! Thank you.
Could you please advice me on the best clone to go with at around 70ccs and then 92ccs in January 2025? I am half handy and like the accomplishment of putting together & fixing but it can take me a while to get around to it. My focus is on starting well and reliability rather than absolute speed and peak performance. I will probably only cut two or three trees maximum per year (8 to 22 inch White Oaks) unless I help out neighbors after hurricanes here in Florida a couple times.
I am not sure I could completely advise you here. Lots of variables and I think you stopped by and watched one of my better videos explaining it. I would encourage you to check out my most recent video on a new clone I have been running. ruclips.net/video/bZPISurvCls/видео.html
I have the blue one as well, and it's had a run issue since i got it, likely a carburetor. Always runs rich, and nothing i do on the high side adjustments work either. Sounds like the same issue
Would have been very cool to have an OEM carb to put it n this saw for sure. Appreciate you watching and commenting!
I’ve had nothing but good things to say about my holzforma 372 , even if ya wanted to get a Walboro carb and put it on it you’d have maybeeeee 500$ into a 70cc saw, 28”bar , I feel like if ya can’t replace a on/off switch that’s 9$ or something easy like that then you should have someone cutting your trees for ya anyway IMO you can buy a 1200/1300$ saw n still have the same problems
I hear what you are saying and agree with much of it. I would simply challenge you to consider one thing. I believe that every product has room for improvement simply because of diminishing returns. What I mean is this. While the clone saws are totally serviceable and I personally have had mixed results with excellent and subpar results, there are corners being cut. Like you said, the carb is one example and the switch is another. I actually purchased probably 5 of the cheap switches and I simply got cheap switches that didn't last very long. I think it would be worth buying a better quality switch. I had a coil failure on a 372 and because I had a second saw, it was no big deal to verify my diagnosis. I had the blue saw, the factory carb was NOT good. Those saws are a great value and certainly spending $1k + does NOT ensure trouble free or Good service. The way I look at it is this, we all value the various aspects of of the saws differently. One of my biggest complaints never mentioned in any videos that I can recall is the quality for the fasteners on the clone saws. They simply do not compare to a factory Bolt/Screw. I appreciate you watching and commenting! Have a good one and be safe
@@oakiewoodsman I agree, the other thing ppl never seem to take into consideration is that comparing a saw that’s 1200$ to a saw that’s 300$ isn’t a fair comparison at all… just because it’s a clone of the model, doesn’t mean they should be compared apples to apples , but either way a saws a saw n there awesome to run , no matter what ya spend it’s all in good fun 👌🤘🤘
@@yenerm114 agreed and thanks again!
Having chain oil leak out after you shut the saw off is a common problem, not just with Holzforma. Try undoing the cap allowing the pressure to bleed off. There's a pretty good chance that the pressure system that's being used is putting excess pressure into the oil tank and when you set it off that pressure is not bleeding off.
Thank you much. I appreciate the information on that. I am not sure my buddies OEM 372XT does that. I know that my clone saws of any make and model have been the largest offenders yet. I had a 660 clone do something very similar. I even tried removing the cap and storing it on its side and it still just flat out drained that oil tank. Thank you for watching and sharing. I wonder what is going on. My Echo saws stay pretty dry and my two 5 series Huskies do as well. We will see with time. I am kinda missing a 372 clone right about now.
Remember that the clones are designed from saws from the 1980s
Since I did not ever own a brand new 372XP, did they leak profusely when new? Thanks for the info.
@@reedswain5759 Wrong its a carbon copy of the Husky 372. Its a 2000's saw. introduced in 1999, out of production in 2011. 1980's is the 200's series Husqvarna's
@thesayxx I appreciate you weighing in.
My 27 year old stihl, and my who knows how old jonesreds 801 dont leak oil, nor does my ms460, I bought a holzfforma g288, leaked oil pretty bad, iv run about 10 tankers of gas threw it, and however much oil, seems to have stoped leaking, bought mine in October 2022, no carb problems either, so far I’m happy with the saw, will it last, don’t know,🤔
Amazing stuff! I do know that certain models of saws have a tendency to leak more than others due to the design they had. What ones, I don't actually know. Just something that I have heard and gathered after watching so much about saws. Hope you like the G288. I think these saws are great and as long as you have the right expecations about them, they are a good fit. They are super inexpensive to work one. A top end is so cheap if you go back with Holzfforma Stuff. Thank you for the comment and thanks for being here! Have a good one!
Welcome, I like the holzfforma so far, with a 24” bar, but the saw is pretty heavy, I’m thinking about close to 20#? Stihl 034 was my first saw in 1996, then a Shindiwa 488, ya, I like chainsaws,😂,mostly but the g288 to try something different, and pretty much for bucking. Keep up the cool content, 😎
Appreciate ya! Thanks
Yeah bought a neotec 038 clone didnt even get a secondctank through it before it siezed or caught a ring whatever happened havent had time to look and now its way over the warranty it was overvtbe warranty before i couldvget it out ofvthe box.
That sure is a bummer! One of my more recent videos is how I am actually revisiting these 372 clone saw. Things have changed a lot for me and I have quite a collection of OEM saws now but when the opportunity arose to own a 372 pro I was excited and so far so good! I have owned one Neotec saw, and it was a ported saw by Aaron Lynch. The saw was well sorted and worked really well. The only two complaints I had about it was the choke assembly was very cheap feeling and kind of wanted to bind up, and the other thing was is that it leaked profusely. Thanks for watching!
I would be interested in buying either of your saws is the price is right.
I won't ship. Are you local to oklahoma Arkansas state line? Appreciate the interest
@@oakiewoodsman nah I am all the way in SC. I understand not shipping though
How much I'd love to buy it
Ken, I am not gonna ship the saws. Shipping is insane nowadays. Appreciate it though!
When I received my g372xp pro the carb boot was loose leaking air
Good tip for those trying to figure it out. When I took off the top end and swapped the carb out I didn't find any apparent air leaks and the boot was fastened well. Thanks for the comment because it certainly could help someone out!
I think they have a few sloppy people working at the factory, the g660 I got has been great and was setup properly
@@alanruechel2240 that may be. Also, I am not sure that all the models are supplied from the same manufacturer. I think are quite a few outfits oversees making clone parts. I actually have a video on a Joncutter explaining this that I will be posting shortly. It seems that the same clone can be manufactured by various places at various quality level. The 660 seems ro be the right combination of design (the stihl part) and aftermarket part quality and assembly. Good to know that you had good luck with the 660!
I have a few of these clone saw a some leak bar oil and some don’t I’m just thinking and it’s only just now I haven’t even checked it out on mine yet ..I just wonder if they are building up pressure in the oil tank so maybe when putting the saw away open the oil cap to release pressure and tighten again ..I don’t know just an idea o must try
Interesting. That is a very good tip. I wonder if the pressure would build back up though kind of like when you let pressure off of a fuel can and then you can let pressure off again? Very interesting and I suppose I always assumed it was a leak rather than a pressure issue. Only makes since it could be. Thanks for watching and being here!
They are ok if you want to work on it from time to time. Very cheap! Leaks oil badly! I know that a true husqvarna cost more but you can run them for years with no issues. You get what you pay for
I agree with everything you said however there is always an exception to the generality of “you get what you pay for.” While I understand that there is no such thing as 100% reliable across 100% of a particularly well made model, OEM has its fair share of issues too. I have documented this well with the 562XP on my channel. You see, some will dismiss it as a 5 series saw and go back to the original 372XP models but I would argue that those have simply not been available for years. My friend just purchased a brand new 372XT today however those saws were riddled with issues out the gate. It is a hard thing to know how your investment will turn out. Hopefully this 562XP will be a good one in the end cause I sure love running it just like my 545. Thanks for watching and sharing!
Reviews for these saws ALWAYS have issues. They run, no doubt, but there always is some issue. Honestly not worth it for me.
Fair enough. I believe that when the right saws are purchased by the right people, everyone wins! Thanks for the comment!
Now that you are in bed with Echo (not a bad thing) you really should have gone whole hog and gotten a 7310.
first of all.... I am working with Saw Suppliers who happens to sell ECHO, but I have no particular loyalty to ECHO. I think they are great but my favorites saws to run tend to be Husqvarna Saws. The 7310 is for sure on my short list however. hahahaha... Thanks for watching!
@@oakiewoodsman oh man! I didn't mean anything negative by my comment! Actually, at one of my local saw shops I was just quoted $1100 CAD for a new Husqvarna 372 with 24" bar.
I WAS sorely tempted but I seriously haven't got any reason for one!
Yes, it was on the shelf ready to go.
I was in picking up a 20" bar for my McCulloch Titan 57 and a couple of Stihl RS chains for it.
Love that saw, sips gas and just eats through wood with efficiency. Not nearly the fastest but definitely isn't as slow as a Homelite XL12 and holds its own against the Proyama PCS68.
I understand where you are coming from but I want to make sure ppl know that I will criticize anything that I feel needs to be criticized and praise any product that deserves it. Thank you again friend!
It amazes me that anyone would waste their time with that Chinese junk.
Well, I understand where your coming from if you are professional or have access to good quality OEM saws. Or the other variable is plenty of cash to buy whatever your heart desires. I have neither and many people are in the same boat. These saws have their place and put firewood in my stove and logs on my mill. If you came from a homeowner saw, and can't spend 1200plus on a news one, there is a case for them. No catastrophic failures just piddly small things. Thanks for the comment!
Better to buy a good condition used saw from a quality maker, just as a used BMW is better than a Dacia. You will get reliability, safety and good parts backup. Here in UK you can pick up the smaller pro saws affordably and right now I could buy a Stihl 660 in very tidy order for £300.
However, I see you've saved up and got a CS620. Which will have opened your eyes.
Appreciate the comments from over in the UK! An 044 or 066 around here has been fully used up and all the rest available are homeowner/ranch platoc clamshell saws. If the better saws are in good shape you can pretty much buy a new one for the price they are asking. Appreciate the comment and your perspective!
@@oakiewoodsman Interesting. Shame it's so expensive to post to USA. I have some tidy Stihls -028 Super. 036 , 10mm 044 , early 064.
Wow! Those would be wonderful saws for sure. Those earlier Stihls seem to be incredible that last a lifetime. These clones certainly cannot stand up to them and simply are rubbish. In the context of those saws being available, one would be foolish to spend the money on a Chinese saw. Thanks Skip Mole!