good catch, because python 3.9 is still the version bundled with macos sequoia. so his 3.11 must have come from brew or somewhere userland. If sequoia packaged 3.11 then it would still be within the spirit of the test
My M3Max is finally running at a regular temperature since Sequoia. Before this it was always super hot even idling without any significant processes running. Very pleased.
@@ales7838 good to know Apple is still tuning the kernel and other bits under the hood. I use serato dj for example and it’s much snappier on sequoia than on Sonoma or prior iterations.
Even on the bare minimum M1 Air I got a boost and I especially feel it with smoothness. Better efficiency too. (Actually most of the improvements were in 15.0.1 which is out now)
@@dimakonstanta1868 Yes.... but I have seen many users having issues like wifi and such... I took the risk and did the update and it was wayy better for me at least. I had lags ever since Sonoma when resizing certain windows, some window movement not being smooth when screen recording and such... most were gone with it. But I think 15.0.1 really supposed to fix the new screensavers getting stuck randomly ... and that's still here ironically.
The previous result at 9:30 was 15.15 seconds, and the new result is 15.20 seconds. This is a longer time, so it's slightly slower. However, you're saying it's a bit faster or an improvement?
on an M1 Pro, regretted going from Ventura to Sonoma. gave me so many problems with creative apps. glad there's a new OS - reviews and comments seem solid so far. excited to switch over.
Cool. I was using a 2015 MacBook Pro 16 GB (I know) for email and general web browsing and finally got fed up with the slows and got a M1 MacBook Air 8 GB (for $650 new @ Walmart) - it was either that or a iPad. Installed Sequoia because why not? Good to know Sequoia ain't slowing things down. No, I'm not going to install Xcode on the Air.
I had an unusual crash that prevented me from loading my user account after a reboot. The solution was to create a new APFS Volume and perform a fresh installation of macOS Sonoma there. It worked far better than expected and is recommended if you want to install more than one version of macOS to your machine. I was inspired to create a separate "Data" volume to make this process easier. For Example I still haven't installed Sequoia on my work machine because I don't know if certain apps will work and this is a good way to find out without risking anything. APFS Volumes are great because you can snapshot them and they are virtualized so you don't have to create a hard partition. An APFS Volume is more like a QEMU qcow2 than anything I've used on Mac before!
I am wondering if you got Apple Intelligence with the upgrade. What do you think about Apple doing the Ai at the OS level? To me it introduces a lot of security vulnerabilities.
Hi Alex. Great video, as always. 1.- Where can I learn more about the performance menu in the developer tools of VScode? 2.- I work with FORTRAN and Julia, and am trying to compare performance with Numpy on my M2 mac. So, a PYTHON stupid question, when I define an environment to my script the computer put the envelope directory not where I want. Please help.... Thanks a lot
I tried it on the Macbook Air M1 base model and the RAM usage after boot up went up from 4GB to 5GB. So, now i have even less RAM to run any programs. 😢
Idle RAM usage isn’t an indication of anything. Modern OSs keep a whole bunch of stuff in RAM at all times. Same as an iPhone, your RAM can appear almost completely “full” with nothing open but when you run something it claims that space. But 8GB is still only enough for some web browsing and document processing so it’s not a huge consolation sorry.
Sorry but buying a macbook with 8GB ram is a mistake. 16 GB should be minimum. My MacBook Pro 2019 13 in. (intel) with 8GB ram is finally feeling the slowdown heavily in heavy apps like Parallels VM running a CAD program or even Office 365. Browsing, Office 365 (macos version) etc still works amazing, but heavy stuff... bottle-necked hard by my RAM.
I'm not a coder - but have noticed an improvement in performance specially on Apple products like Logic Pro. Always a little dicey upgrading the OS and expecting a bit of a hit in performance. Unfortunately, the pricing for new MacBook's has gone up to ridiculous levels, I work in IT and needed to purchase a MacBook for video editing (not for me 🥹) - even skimping on the SDD to 1TB - adding 64Gig ram (which forces you to upgrade the CPU) it's AU $7100! Ouch! That's 2K more that the M1 we got last time (did not need the max CPU at that time). I imagine the M4 around the same if not more.
In MPI you can set core-code affinity to stop code being arbitrarily bounced between cores which can impact cache performance and result in bkg tasks making the foreground numbers more noisy. Don't know if you can do this on MacOS (although the thread affinity API is suggested by google).
@@njpme mine wouldn't even reach the internet until I added a DNS instead of letting it go to my router. Just entered the same DNS IP and it'd work no problem.
personally on m1 I do not see any reason to update to Sequia from Sonoma neither from Monterey to Sonoma. some features like changing video wallpapers , some AI features which is doing some spying what I have not asked than.... but eating 1.5 more of my limited memory and CPU ...
hey will you do a ,Stricpt or a project where few we just ,run an single command and what all we were selected will install and it should do them in an structure ,in an difined location of our mac and also which is a good Languege for it to do
Have had a macbook pro M2 Pro for a month. My battery cycles didn't change in all that time because battery optimization was working amazing on Sonoma. Updated to Sequoia and my battery is going from 100 to 80% and viceversa during connected and have added 6 battery cycles to my battery in a week... I talked to the apple support and no help at all, any idea why this is happening? Am I the only one?
more interesting test would be if 8gb Apple silicon MacBooks can handle Sequoia. I am afraid to upgrade from sonoma as some people wrote on reddit that idle ram usage increased from 5gb to 6gb.
I’m glad that the ARM machines are doing well with the updates. I still have a 2019 MacBook Pro with an Intel chip and Sequoia destroyed my Vue.js development experience. Using PhpStorm (I work with Laravel), my Vue.js components take almost 2 minutes to index (when they used to index in milliseconds before) and the app freezes if I copy or cut text in Vue components. Also, compiling (using Bun) took 9s always, now it’s very inconsistent, taking up to 1 minute to compile, averaging 25s. So, yeah, I really want to downgrade to Sonoma. This time, updating was the worst decision ever.
Thanks for giving the idea to check the performance results of the new OS on the internet before updating the system because now people are losing trust in superior companies like apple due to their bad sales strategies.
I watched this part of the video from 9:46 to 9:51 multiple times, it seems funny to me, these two phrases can be used in other videos as funny sections :))) Just....just a little BIT! 🤣
You compared Python 3.9 vs. 3.11. Watch the video again, You see the python version in the activity monitor
Python Version 3.9 can be seen at 2:07, version 3.11 can be seen at 7:05
I noticed this, too. 3.11 is considerably faster than 3.9.
good catch, because python 3.9 is still the version bundled with macos sequoia. so his 3.11 must have come from brew or somewhere userland.
If sequoia packaged 3.11 then it would still be within the spirit of the test
My M3Max is finally running at a regular temperature since Sequoia. Before this it was always super hot even idling without any significant processes running. Very pleased.
what about battery life on MacBooks?
My anecdotal reaction to Sequoia is that it feels faster and more polished on my M1 Max than prior iterations, particularly Ventura.
Exactly the same on m1 pro unbinned, feels like this is the OS it should’ve been released with
@@ales7838 good to know Apple is still tuning the kernel and other bits under the hood. I use serato dj for example and it’s much snappier on sequoia than on Sonoma or prior iterations.
@@j340_official seems so yes, but it feels like it eats more ram now.
What about the battery performance? Is it better or worse with Sequoia?
What on Earth is that thumbnail? 😭😭😭
hey i tried
@@AZiskI saw it at 3 am it was scary
@@AZiskwhat DID you try?
It got you to engage. Mission accomplished.
@@AZisktry harder 😂
Even on the bare minimum M1 Air I got a boost and I especially feel it with smoothness. Better efficiency too. (Actually most of the improvements were in 15.0.1 which is out now)
Also on Sequoia, but on 15.0. Really 15.0.1 even better?
@@dimakonstanta1868 Yes.... but I have seen many users having issues like wifi and such... I took the risk and did the update and it was wayy better for me at least. I had lags ever since Sonoma when resizing certain windows, some window movement not being smooth when screen recording and such... most were gone with it.
But I think 15.0.1 really supposed to fix the new screensavers getting stuck randomly ... and that's still here ironically.
@@sameerasw Thanks for the feedback !
I'm still running Ventura 13.7 on my M1 MBP. It runs perfectly fine so I don't see how Sequoia would improve anything for me.
I guess not many people asked for this, but it turned out to be a great idea and a valuable test.
On Sonoma python test was done on python3.9 version, Sequoia python3.11. Could it be the case?
could be, because of (kinda updated) interpreter
The previous result at 9:30 was 15.15 seconds, and the new result is 15.20 seconds. This is a longer time, so it's slightly slower. However, you're saying it's a bit faster or an improvement?
on an M1 Pro, regretted going from Ventura to Sonoma. gave me so many problems with creative apps. glad there's a new OS - reviews and comments seem solid so far. excited to switch over.
Make more Docker videos! Like building whole applications with Docker Compose and spinning up several containers to make it all work together.
Thanks for an awesome comparison! Thumbnail is so funny 0__o 🤣
Xcode 15.4 on Sequoia? That is not supported, right?
Great video as usual. Than you. Is very useful for me. Hugs from Mexico!
Cool. I was using a 2015 MacBook Pro 16 GB (I know) for email and general web browsing and finally got fed up with the slows and got a M1 MacBook Air 8 GB (for $650 new @ Walmart) - it was either that or a iPad. Installed Sequoia because why not? Good to know Sequoia ain't slowing things down.
No, I'm not going to install Xcode on the Air.
I had an unusual crash that prevented me from loading my user account after a reboot. The solution was to create a new APFS Volume and perform a fresh installation of macOS Sonoma there. It worked far better than expected and is recommended if you want to install more than one version of macOS to your machine. I was inspired to create a separate "Data" volume to make this process easier. For Example I still haven't installed Sequoia on my work machine because I don't know if certain apps will work and this is a good way to find out without risking anything. APFS Volumes are great because you can snapshot them and they are virtualized so you don't have to create a hard partition. An APFS Volume is more like a QEMU qcow2 than anything I've used on Mac before!
I am wondering if you got Apple Intelligence with the upgrade. What do you think about Apple doing the Ai at the OS level? To me it introduces a lot of security vulnerabilities.
After the update screen usage is not correct it is incorrect and running in background draining battery
Hi Alex. Great video, as always.
1.- Where can I learn more about the performance menu in the developer tools of VScode?
2.- I work with FORTRAN and Julia, and am trying to compare performance with Numpy on my M2 mac. So, a PYTHON stupid question, when I define an environment to my script the computer put the envelope directory not where I want. Please help....
Thanks a lot
I tried it on the Macbook Air M1 base model and the RAM usage after boot up went up from 4GB to 5GB. So, now i have even less RAM to run any programs. 😢
Idle RAM usage isn’t an indication of anything. Modern OSs keep a whole bunch of stuff in RAM at all times. Same as an iPhone, your RAM can appear almost completely “full” with nothing open but when you run something it claims that space. But 8GB is still only enough for some web browsing and document processing so it’s not a huge consolation sorry.
Sorry but buying a macbook with 8GB ram is a mistake. 16 GB should be minimum. My MacBook Pro 2019 13 in. (intel) with 8GB ram is finally feeling the slowdown heavily in heavy apps like Parallels VM running a CAD program or even Office 365. Browsing, Office 365 (macos version) etc still works amazing, but heavy stuff... bottle-necked hard by my RAM.
Please update your Intel one.
I'm not a coder - but have noticed an improvement in performance specially on Apple products like Logic Pro. Always a little dicey upgrading the OS and expecting a bit of a hit in performance. Unfortunately, the pricing for new MacBook's has gone up to ridiculous levels, I work in IT and needed to purchase a MacBook for video editing (not for me 🥹) - even skimping on the SDD to 1TB - adding 64Gig ram (which forces you to upgrade the CPU) it's AU $7100! Ouch! That's 2K more that the M1 we got last time (did not need the max CPU at that time). I imagine the M4 around the same if not more.
I just want to hear this dude speak tech all day. I can never get tired. Do you by chance take tech classes??
Me too .. its been 2 years I have downloaded every video he made so i can view them offline just in case internet is down.
@@ameenbadri9696 damn
In MPI you can set core-code affinity to stop code being arbitrarily bounced between cores which can impact cache performance and result in bkg tasks making the foreground numbers more noisy. Don't know if you can do this on MacOS (although the thread affinity API is suggested by google).
Sequoia killed some network stuff I had going. 15.0.1 fixed it all.
Since I upgraded to Sequoia, my Mac is still pingable even when stealth mode is on. I have to turn it on and off all the time to fix it
@@njpme mine wouldn't even reach the internet until I added a DNS instead of letting it go to my router. Just entered the same DNS IP and it'd work no problem.
because of that, i'll wait for Sequoia 15.1 to install my M2 Pro Mac Mini, i'm good with sonoma at the moment.
personally on m1 I do not see any reason to update to Sequia from Sonoma neither from Monterey to Sonoma. some features like changing video wallpapers , some AI features which is doing some spying what I have not asked than.... but eating 1.5 more of my limited memory and CPU ...
Now it's finally time for a sub. I saw enough of you
welcome
How did you manage to run Xcode 15.4 on Sequoia??? I was under the impression that you can only run Xcode 16.0+ on it.
hey will you do a ,Stricpt or a project where few we just ,run an single command and what all we were selected will install and it should do them in an structure ,in an difined location of our mac and also which is a good Languege for it to do
So, it's somewhat faster on m3, that's understandable, on a latest chip. But how about m1 or m2?
Nice video! may I ask more video for power consumption comparison?
Where did you first learn how to code is there some place where you learn your programming
Do you recommend mac studio bas m2max with 1tb for web developers ?
Have had a macbook pro M2 Pro for a month. My battery cycles didn't change in all that time because battery optimization was working amazing on Sonoma. Updated to Sequoia and my battery is going from 100 to 80% and viceversa during connected and have added 6 battery cycles to my battery in a week... I talked to the apple support and no help at all, any idea why this is happening? Am I the only one?
After updates WindowServer sometimes uses 1.4 Gb ram on sonoma I didn't notice such ram usage by windowserver
mine use 10.3gb on sonoma is it normal? for only windowserver
That is a bug. Restart your Mac and that should reset it to around 500mb.
Jetbrains apps still takes 10 minutes to open?
what about the nested virtualization?!
I've been using macOS Sequoia since beta 1, it was the most stable beta OS I've ever used.
Eagerly waiting for your review of the new Lunar Lake Laptops.
You could try to install the old python version in a conda virtual environment to test it on Sequoia.
there is no join button. what should i do?
But how can you use Xcode 15.4 on Sequía? Because it’s not allowed by the OS😂
For me, Sequoia has compounded Bluetooth and wireless issues severalfold.
upgrade to 15.0.1
@@ameenbadri9696 I have. No different
more interesting test would be if 8gb Apple silicon MacBooks can handle Sequoia. I am afraid to upgrade from sonoma as some people wrote on reddit that idle ram usage increased from 5gb to 6gb.
he was using an 8gb model in the video
It has better RAM management although that is in dev betas so the current public release may not be as good.
Can you share those program so that I can also test it out !!!
Make a video on Finder improvements - I bet that would be quick one
9:38 ChatGPT entered the conversation
15.20 > 15.15 so it is slower not faster
please and thank you
Good.. You removed my worries.!!
On my M1 big boost in Opencl and Metal Geekbench test on Sequoia conpared to Sonoma. Dont know why.
So it actually makes it faster ?
Problem reports persist with 15.0.1 so I will wait. This OS release isnt anything that i have to rush to fix abandoned 14.x problems.
With Sequoia apple messed up the external monitor thing we cant go to 4k 144hz with c to dp
I’m glad that the ARM machines are doing well with the updates. I still have a 2019 MacBook Pro with an Intel chip and Sequoia destroyed my Vue.js development experience. Using PhpStorm (I work with Laravel), my Vue.js components take almost 2 minutes to index (when they used to index in milliseconds before) and the app freezes if I copy or cut text in Vue components. Also, compiling (using Bun) took 9s always, now it’s very inconsistent, taking up to 1 minute to compile, averaging 25s. So, yeah, I really want to downgrade to Sonoma. This time, updating was the worst decision ever.
HI can you send 1 machine other than your daily driver. I might edit stuffs for you with regards.
you made me extend my lunch brake to run the update right away ;)
compare battery life ... with/without seqoia 😊
Thanks for giving the idea to check the performance results of the new OS on the internet before updating the system because now people are losing trust in superior companies like apple due to their bad sales strategies.
9:09 tell me you are talking to apple users without telling me........🤣🤣🤣
Games (that can run on Mac) also running better with higher fps!
Why would it be faster?
Apple is doing stuff in the back engine with software. I read about it, but it was too technical for me.
@@andyH_England so its worth it? That is so suprising to me
I watched this part of the video from 9:46 to 9:51 multiple times, it seems funny to me, these two phrases can be used in other videos as funny sections :)))
Just....just a little BIT! 🤣
What a thumbnail
Why do you youtubers disable subtitles on your videos sometimes? It's a pain for non-English speakers to watch your videos without them ☹
i didn’t disable. I think Yt takes a little while to process them. sorry
@@AZisk Oh, cool then. Thanks a lot for replying!!
Hey alex! one more time on air m1 base 🙃
New Updates makes old macbook runs slow and force you to buy new one
What's been happening with your thumbnails haha 🤡 Thanks for the great content!
I am highly allergic to MacOS but watch your videos for shits and giggles.
Can we all please report here some common issues experienced after the updgrade?
Screen usage is reflecting incorrect data
I don't mind my performance getting slow but my speed better not get less performant!
15.2>15.15 😂🤓9:30 do you even know math?
what’s math?
forget question 2...... sorry
Sequoia is superb
Or if you're like me, I'll upgrade in 3 months
My neovim takes 20 ms to startup 😂 far better than vscod
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any TLDR?