10 Things Doctor Who Wants You To Forget
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I feel that the 9th Doctor isn't slowing time down to get past the giant fan blades on the observatory, but rather just focusing on the blades spinning so from the Doctor's perspective they slow down so they know when to walk forward and not get sliced. It's like a meditation thingy.
Yeah this was exactly what I was thinking and have always thought watching the episode seems a bit of an odd one to put on the list
I even think it was done again... remember The Eleventh Hour?
That's exactly what I thought too. We see Capaldi do the same at least once where it switches to his perspective and events being slowed down.
@@KingOfDomathis channel is hella bias towards the 11th doctor so they probably have an excuse for that
I thought the same. I always felt he was just rapidly running calculations in his head to get the timing exactly right
I've always thought the Doctor's intense hatred of guns in the modern series is due to the atrocities of the Time War where the Doctor was a Warrior so that has caused them to despise guns and killing. And in the modern series the Doctor has only wielded a gun in the most desperate situations when pushed to their limit.
It is confirmed to be because of the time war, yeah. seems like a bit of a misunderstanding on whocultures behalf tbh
Exactlyyyy
His limit.
@@MegaLokopo their limit
Yep
I don't mind the fingersnaps. I see it as an indication of how much the Tardis trusts you. There was that one episode where 12 snaps the door open and Clara snapped it closed again, which I saw as the Tardis not-so-subtly telling the Doctor "I'm not getting in the middle of this, so you two figure it out on your own". It gives the Tardis more personality.
13 evidently forgot about the finger snap when she got back with her Tardis. After mentioning that she lost the keys the Tardis opened it's door for her and her companions.
@@KnightRanger38 She was being humble. From the Tardis' perspective, they'd been apart for centuries, and this was their first time seeing each other in their new forms. 13 didn't want to just make it like "Remember me? Open up." They have a relationship, so when 13 lost the keys, she apologized, and the Tardis basically said "I forgive you" and just opened up, no snap required. I thought it was lovely.
Also maybe it only opens like that when it’s unlocked
I do love that Moffat is so open about what worked and didn't work during his tenure. Hearing a writer admit their mistakes or wishes to go back and do something differently is extremely respectable.
Did he ever make a comment about not committing to killing anyone off? I didn't really notice that trend until I returned to the franchise this year and started watching content that pointed that out to me, but it's quite true. Was there ever any indication he considered that a mistake?
@@SierraSigma”Just this once, everyone lives.” And also… every other time too
Wasn't Eccleston's scene of walking through the fan meant to demonstrate his hyper-awareness and skills (skillful body coordination)? That was how it always came across to me.
Yes - nothing to do with "slowing" Time down - the research on this channel is pretty poor at times.
Yeah, I thought he was just able to calculate EXACTLY when he needed to step through
I figured it was just him clearing his mind of anxiety, and leaving it to fate whether he passed the fans or not.
I can see that too.@@Mayeur000Donz
And even if this was a "slowing down time" moment, it is repeated in Heaven Sent (such as in the falling towards his death in the water scene)
Every time the Doctor has used a gun in NewWho he either gets called out for how over the edge he’s gone (9th in Dalek, 11th in Town Called Mercy) or it’s a sign of just how extremely terrified he is. Ten was explicitly a non-gun Doctor. He held one to the head of the guy who killed his daughter just to prove how he would never use one. The End of Time moment comes right after a conversation where he says he’s never use one, only to pick one up the moment he hears the Time Lord’s are returning to show just how reality-ending serious the threat is.
War changes people. The Doctor had survived 100 odd years of the worst war in all existence. Him being cool with guns before the war only to never want to touch one after it is perfectly understandable character development.
yeah in the day of the doctor the war doctor is shown to frequently use guns (shown once but implied more) so it makes sense that he has so much regret from the war that he doesn’t want to use them again, and only does in dire situations. you could also say with 12th doctors use of a gun it was after day of the doctor so he knew galliffrey was safe he didn’t mind about guns but i don’t think the doctor would abandon his morals so quickly
@@hollowoatlet's also remember that 12 shoots the general when he's completely off the rails. Like isn't that the point of Hell Bent?
@@michaelbeadle5156 that whole episode was a little off, but he does check to make sure the guy had regenerations left so he didn’t really die. Im not trying to make excuses, I’m just giving a little more information.
I also feel like the Doctor knows he shouldn’t use one and tries his hardest to live up to these morals however I think part of him knows sometimes the only choices do involve violence (“sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones, but you still have to choose”) and the old soldier in him threatens to overcome the pacifist ideals
The stepping through the fan was not time manipulation but is factually stated just extremely perfect timing and the slowing of time was just for effect to show this
Exactly, but they didn't slow time he was only walking slowly.
Yup. It was HIS perception of time we were seeing, not any kind of chronokinesis he’s never used again.
Like his psychometric abilities he’s only used a handful of times in sixty years….
Like when he's diving out of the castle inside the Confession Dial and is able to perform a number of mental gymnastics on the way down.
@@PaperbackWizard That was the show playing his thoughts in super slow motion so us humans could keep up. That is completely different.
@@MegaLokopo Nope. It's exactly the same as this situation. Just as you described it, we saw Nine's thoughts, with all the blades moving in slow motion from his POV.
no wait, the whole "slowing down time" thing _does_ make sense, and it _does_ happen again! remember when 12 was in the confession dial and he "slowed down time" so he could strategize? he wasn't really slowing down time, he was speeding up his processing
Exactly. I was going to comment this but checked to see if anyone else did first
I never took the scene of 9th walking through the fan blades as "power over time", but a "hyper concentration" skill: he takes a moment to study the rate of rotation and steps through at just the right moment based on mental computation, looking mightily relieved when he opens his eyes!
Police Box doors actually open Inwards - the box was designed, so that, if the need arose, it could be used as a temporary cell, to secure a prisoner until a police car or van turned up to take them to the police station. Outward opening doors would not be very secure, and could easily be kicked open to escape. Inward opening doors, fitted inside the framework, are far more secure.
My late mother was a Metropolitan Police 'Special' in the mid 1950's. She told me that these boxes had a shelf, a Logbook, a first aid kit, a coathook for wet weather gear, and that was it. She told me that they were great places to eat an ice lolly on a hot day. The idea of the TARDIS always amused her. 👍👍👍
Some do, some dont. More commonly they opended 'out the way' as this allowed for more inside space to be utilised.
Bullllllllllshit
Oh come on! She couldn’t make that “swing both ways” joke work!
(And where’s the Capt. Jack cutaway for that gag? 😂😂)
@@munga1111 - There is no more space. Two people, three at a push.
@brianartillery if the doors open inwards, the area which they open in to would need to be constantly clear, so less room to utilise inside.
The gun thing makes all the sense in the world when you take context into account.
RTD's era started after the time war, so the Doctor not liking guns makes sense because it represents a point in his life he regrets and hates. The classic era never made that distinction because he hadn’t suffered the trauma of the time war yet, so killing bad guys was a last resort option whereas from Nine onwards he refuses to even consider holding a weapon again.
Which makes the moments he does wield a gun even more pointing. Nine actively arms himself when when he comes face to face with a Dalek, his hate overriding his moral compass until Rose snaps him out of it. Ten forces himself to take Wilf's gun, after a while speech about how much he’s lost and objectively refusing to, only when he finds out the Time Lords are coming back because he knows what it means and becomes genuinely afraid. Eleven points a gun at a war criminal because he knows of everything he’s done and it reflects everything he’s down in the time war, so it literally becomes a question of "who is worth protecting?" And as for twelve, he was set to burn the universe to save Clara so picking up a gun and shooting it was pretty standard.
Context is key. Doctor Who doesn’t want you to forget these moments, they want you to remember these moments because their significance speaks to his character.
4:23 I didn't think that the Doctor was manipulating time, I thought he was, in a way, meditating and feeling the rotation of the blades, counting and calculating the best moment to step through the blades, I think his moment of suprise afterwards was him saying to himself "Holy crap! It worked!"
I never thought the 9th Doctor was slowing down time in that scene from the 2nd episode -- I figured he was kinda "using the force" as it were, to time his stepping past the fan blades. He's seeing it in his head and times it precisely right to pass by them, that's all. I mean, he IS a Time Lord, billions of years ahead of us puny humans, I'm sure there are a LOT of things his brain and mind can do that would stump us.
When I first scanned through the video to see if it included any Classic Who, I thought the scene I saw from "Attack of the Cybermen" (6th Doctor) was about the Cyberman crushing Litton's hands and literally drawing blood, not the Doctor playing bang-bang-shoot-em-up. I know that scene with the hands distressed a LOT of people. I know I can't watch it myself!
That's how I've always viewed it as well.
Yeah I never thought he slowed time, just trusted his instinct to step at the right time (and we, the audience, see it in slow motion, which is perfectly normal for drama)
The doctor, especially the ninth doctor, often said that they could see all possible futures in his head. So yeah, it seemed more like he was picking the perfect moment
Yes, this is how I think of it too. The Doctor kind of mini meditates using his sense of hearing and perhaps the vibration or something. Closing his eyes helped him concentrate just on the timing, cutting out all distraction.
i always assumed he stopped, thought about it and used a mathematical equation to time his step forward
The doctor was not slowing down time with those fans. He was simply concentrating on timing his step correctly so that he wasn't ripped to shreds. If anyone has an understanding of timing, its the doctor.
Steven Moffat solved the Half Human problem with Rule #1: the Doctor lies.
but the Master alluded to it as well
Originally Marc Platt intended the ending of Lungbarrow to imply that Leela and Andred's child would eventually travel back to the Dark Times and become the Other, who ultimately dissolves himself in the Loom network to be rewoven as the First Doctor explaining how he can be "half-human on (his) mother's side" but also Loom-born.
@@geoffroi-le-Hook The Master Lies too
@@geoffroi-le-Hook The Doctor lied to him too, and the Master was foolish enough to believe 😄
This doesn't work for me because the point was that the Doctor lies with purpose. A bad situation happens, and the Doctor feels a need to manipulate people's responses with incomplete information. It's application of incredibly advanced psychology because "there's no time to explain." The "half-human on my mother's side" line had no bearing on anything in the scene -- the guy he was talking to assumed the Doctor was an eccentric human being, the Doctor didn't need him to realize he wasn't from Earth -- so there was absolutely no point in it being a lie. It made far more sense as the Doctor oversharing due to post-regeneration trouble. That's why it's still such a problem: there was no motivation for it to have been a lie. Also, if the Doctor lies to everybody in such a casual way . . . well, I've known a compulsive liar in real life, and they're terrible friends who care more about how they feel in the moment than about other's security and safety. That's not the Doctor.
I think inconsistencies with the TARDIS can be chalked up to the fact that she's an old and temperamental machine, and no doubt bits get broken and connected abilities (including external dimensions) don't always work consistently - in 'Logopolis', the Doctor even recalibrates the TARDIS' outer measurements (by studying a genuine police box), suggesting that things do slip over the centuries.
On the half-human thing, I actually don't think it's as much of an issue as some fans have made it out to be. Doctor Who Magazine did an article on this many moons ago, and basically their theory was that the First (and possibly Second) Doctor was indeed half-human, but had his biology altered by the Time Lords when he regenerated into Three. Having human ancestry may explain a few things about the Doctor: why he was socially isolated from the Time Lords, why he had lower than average intelligence, why he had an affinity for Earth, and probably other things.
I'll give you Atlantis and Amy's kiss though. And there's a sentence I never thought I'd say.
The half-human concept still has one huge question lurking in it: how is the Doctor "half-human on my mother's side?" What does that even mean? How did the Doctor mean that his mother was human? Was she an actual person from Earth brought to Gallifrey? Was the Doctor's father a visitor to Earth? If the latter, did the Doctor's mother go to Gallifrey with the father? Was the mother Gallifreyan, but was so obsessed with Earth culture that the Time Lords considered her socially compromised in some way? I'm sure it all ties in to the Doctor being a lonely child cared for by some form of foster family. If you factor in the Timeless Child business, though, then how did a half-human, half-alien child end up on the Milky Way's side of a dimensional portal with regenerative ability? I don't doubt that a good writer could make a story that works out of these parts, but it hasn't happened yet, and so the half-human idea still sticks in Doctor Who like a bit of food stuck in its teeth. We can't help but probe it in irritation.
@@SingularityOrbitOne of the novels hinted that Leela and Andred were the Doctor's parents. The great scene in Horror of Fang Rock where Leela tells the Doctor not to be afraid is even funnier if you imagine she's his mother.
@@anthonybernacchi2732 I never encountered that theory before. The thing is that Gallifrey is protected from time changes by the Time Lords' tech -- the rest of the universe can be rewritten by time travelers, but not Gallifrey. So Leela and Andred don't make sense as the parents on the surface of it because they got together later in the timeline than the Doctor's life on Gallifrey. Mind you, it's Doctor Who, so it's possible that Leela and Andred had a child, the child went through a portal to another universe, came back through and broke the timeline in the process because two universes were involved, and then got picked up and taken to Gallifrey to be reverse-engineered to make Time Lords. I guess . . . Honestly, if you take the Timeless Child situation seriously then nothing's off the table anymore where the Doctor and Gallifrey are concerned. I think it broke the show more deeply than a lot of people realized.
Eccleston's Doctor said in 'Rose' that he can feel the different motions and velocities the Earth moves through Space. He just synchronized himself with his 'biggest fans' timing and stepped between the blades. No sweat...
Today (7/12/23) i finished watching the whole series of D.W.! I can't wait to see David Tennant as The Doctor again! He's one of my favorites!
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My fiancé and I are planning to binge again! Congrats on your completion accolade!
@@Comicsluvr awww! That's sweet! & thank u! I was so emotional watching all the Doctors!
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My theory on number 5 is that the voice was the original voice of the silence and that somewhere between series 5 and 6 there was recast.
I always assumed the voice was from the broadcast of the moon landing due to the crack in time occuring at every moment of time including the future
4:20 -- definitely not the interpretation I took of that scene when watching the episode. My take: the Doctor took a breath and focused, letting him know when it is safe to pass between the blades with a good reaction time. This effect is similar to when playing games or sports and even though the action might not be happening at a speed any different from other times, but when you get "in the zone", everything seems to slow down enough for you to react to events quicker than usual.
In the episode, I think the visual effect of the fan slowing down was just meant to be a representation of getting "in the zone" and not about any special abilities.
I think the use of guns in the modern series was earned most of the time,like when the doctor is in mental distress or saving someone very important to him
Exactly. They make it very clear that the War Doctor has suffered trauma from his actions in the Time War, and opts to use The Moment to end the war despite his intense reservations. The Tenth Doctor and Eleventh reiterate this trauma discussing it in TDoTD. Nine is wracked with guilt over the events his predecessor caused, so emotionally paralysed that even posed with humanity's extinction by the Daleks, he refuses to cause another genocide.
Although Ten has healed a lot (thanks to Rose), he still abhorrs violence (especially guns). In his speech to Wilfred in TEoT Part 2, he bluntly says "Never." to Wilf pushing a gun on him to use against The Master to save his own life, something he's vehemently spent decades trying to avoid. He only takes it due to knowing how destructive and psychotic the Time Lords were at the end, and needing to avoid another situation where he has to use The Moment (or something equally genocidal) again.
Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen follow this trend to a certain extent, not really over the Time War (in spite of averting The Moment) and having acclimated to the War Doctor's dying hopes for "No More" bloodshed and needless death, through diplomacy and "being clever".
So really it's not something Doctor Who wants you to forget. There's no discrepancy. It's a character arc/development; the hero swears off violence after causing a devasting event that ends countless lives, only reneging on that personal promise when loved ones' lives are in the balance.
@@lordolxinator thank u,I didn't want to type out the examples I thought of but yeah that sums it up perfectly
@@lordolxinator i hate to be that guy, but when the doctor found out a single dalek survived, he spent pretty much the rest of the episode trying to get it to die, whether by suicide or taking a gun to it. then, when hundreds of thousands of Daleks all show up he's like "nah, not gonna cause another genocide."
now i will also try to explain this action. with the single dalek, he was still seriously traumatised by the time war and what the Daleks had done during it. he knew that even this single dalek could take out every single human on earth if he let it. he couldn't see how that single dalek had changed, and Rose called him out on it.
and remember, in the parting of ways he had rigged a device, using the space station, to kill every living creature in range, even had his hand on the trigger before he decided not to go through with it. and i like to think this is in part because of the experience he had with that single dalek earlier is series 1
I’m pretty sure that there’s a fourth doctor line saying that he never carries a gun to show that he means no harm, and if he went in with a gun, violence is more likely to break out.
@@Zach90888 Exactly right, that's always been the Doctor's stance. There are plenty of evil things that have to be stopped violently, but the Doctor's way is to seek a peaceful solution first. If that turns out to be impossible, then there's always a perfectly serviceable death machine in the hands of the evil thing; take it from them and turn it against them. The Doctor know they can because of their hyper-competency in all fields of endeavor. Companions aren't allowed guns because they are part of his team, so coming in with a mind and tools for violence sends the wrong message -- how many times would they have been in big trouble when captured by authorities if they'd had guns in their pockets? -- and companions who think they can rely on guns won't watch, listen, and think are closely as they will if those are their main problem-solving tools.
Great list! Personally, I would add The Timeless Children to the list. That completely ruins the whole of Doctor Who history.
I'm still hoping for the Timeless Child to be revealed to be the *Master* and have that used as a part explanation for why the Master is so crazy, and also why the Master keeps showing up after getting killed for seemingly the last time.
@@FrenkTheJoyYESSS
Master is timeless child, I like. Original series he ran through 14 regenerations. Plus modern Who, who knows how many times they die off camera.
I'm no big fan of the Timeless Child myself, but it doesn't actually affect established canon anywhere near as much as people claim.
The gun thing really is explainable. I assume that the hate for guns manifested through the trauma the war doctor had endured which, even though the memories were suppressed, subconsciously was still there. And in NuWho the doctor used guns only in a few select moments, making these moments even more significant
I love when the show references these bits! When Me and the Doctor discuss the meaning of "the Hybrid" one of the theories Me brings up is that the Doctor is so fond of Earth because he's a human/time lord hybrid. And I'm pretty sure I recall a map of the Doctor's appearances in history that had three different spots for "Atlantis". And up until recently, the extra eight Doctors in "The Brain of Morbius" would have been on this list, but the Timeless Child came up with an explanation for them!
I think that basically all the little inconsistencies in 6 can be explained away with the Broken Chameleon Circuit. Tiny little malfunctions.
That, and the TARDIS is alive and just changes its mind sometimes. Most of the changes to the control room and interior structure weren't explained as intentional updates on the Doctor's part -- the TARDIS just decided it needed to do an update.
Actually, the whole Amy/Doctor scene works because she'd spent ten years romanticizing the Doctor and he shows up just as she's about to make the biggest commitment of her life ... to her best friend. One gets the feeling Amy wasn't particularly experienced ... so, yeah, she does the "bride's last night free" dumb thing because she doesn't want to have any regrets and thinks this will make sure she doesn't have any ... doesn't work, of course, because he's not ready for something like that ... But given how Amy and Rory work out, it was something she needed to make certain of ... Especially when she ends up being his Mother in Law later ... Moffat may regret it, but a lot of us don't really cringe over this.
I totally agree. She was going through her 'one more fling' phase of nerves before the big day.
Also, he's the man she's been waiting for all her life... literally.
Justify it however you want, it’s still terrible to the vast majority of fans, including me
Agreed. I think it worked for Amy's head space at the time.
The 9th doctor stoping time is not what he does the idea of what he was doing was just focusing really hard on the current situation so he could step through
Yeah, I was thinking it's only to portray his concentration!
I really love your girl crush on Melody Pond/River Song. I must agree she's one of the best characters in Dr. Who.
Okay. Here’s my take on Amy kissing The Doctor. She does it after he life has been in serious jeopardy. In 2003/2004 I worked at a shop. We were held up at gunpoint. Nobody was hurt. But we were shaken up. After the police left. The woman I was working with and I had sex. Right there at work. Neither of us initiated it. It just happened. We’d never been like that before and haven’t since. It was just that one night. We were so thankful to be alive. That’s what Moffat was going for. As soon as I saw that moment in that episode. I got it. I knew exactly what was happening.
However, most people won’t have been in a life threatening situation, so it would seem strange. But I 100% get it.
Yeah, this is a known phenomena, a reaction to near death and disaster. The birth rate bump from WW2 is probably the most well known example (thus giving rise to the Baby Boom and Baby Boomers) but it's also common amongst soldiers that have seen combat together and was even super apparent in New York directly after the 9/11 attacks, which resulted in a population surge 9 months later.
Not saying that was really what he was going for mind you, but your experience at least is spot on.
I've never gotten what all the fuss over Amy kissing the Doctor was about.
As much as I love Amy, she's a bit mentally unbalanced, especially in her early travels with the Doctor.
She's lost her parents, gone to live in a place she hates, has time energy pouring into her every night, sees a spaceman crash land in her backyard, gets a promise to travel on his ship, but then gets stood up. She's also seen therapists who she apparently has a tendency to bite.
She has trust, anger management, and commitment issues.
But, she also has a huge capacity for love.
Now, the aforementioned spaceman returns years later on the night before her wedding.
Finally, she gets to go on the adventures promised to her younger self.
On one of those adventures, she very nearly dies.
Afterwards, fueled by fear and adrenaline and coupled by her own fear of commitment and uncertainty about what she truly wants in life, she tries to make out with this interesting and powerful person that she has spent her childhood obsessing over.
There's also the emotional "freak out" over getting married the next day that many people experience... whether or not they recently spent time with a weeping angel in their brain that was about to kill them. ;)
Honestly, it would have been odd of her not to have done that.
It also sets up her character arc throughout her time of traveling with the Doctor of maturing and coming to realize that Rory is the man she truly loves. As much as she deeply loves and cares about her best friend the Doctor, in the end she gives him up to join Rory in the past.
I think sometimes people just get weird about seeing the Doctor get kissy-kissy. They just don't want a sexual Doctor. Maybe it's because Doctor Who is considered a "kids' " show by some. I'm not sure.
At any rate, I think the hulabaloo about Amy coming on to the Doctor is far overblown.
Personally, I found it amusing, and that it made perfect sense from a character perspective and growth arc.
The Doctor didn't slow time. He sensed an opening. Basically he was playing Omega level Double Dutch, but with fan blades instead of a jump rope. Same way Jenny was able to summersault through those lasers. A Time Lord has time AND spacial awareness.
Exactly, he wasn’t manipulating time, he was sensing the future
Holy crap Ellie singing/humming is adorable
Did we also forget that in Human Nature/Family of Blood, The Doctor suddenly gets the power to trap people in mirrors, turn them into immortal but immobile scarecrows and the other weird and downright sadistic punishments he comes up with? Why has he never used these abilities before or since against Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans etc etc
mentioned in the episode. HE was being kind? which basically infers that he hasn't been all this time.
And as a time traveler, the Doctor had all the time he needed to figure out how to accomplish each punishment -- he wouldn't necessarily be able to do those things to someone on the spur of the moment.
I don't think it was a case of "suddenly getting" the ability to do that. We as the audience have only seen a fragment of what the Doctor is really capable of, because the Doctor is a pacifist most of the time, so there's really never any Reason to use these mega-powerful punishments. Why trap a Dalek or a Cyberman inside a mirror if blowing it up is the easier/safer/smarter victory?
Also, worth remembering that in Family of Blood, the Doctor wasn't acting out of necessity. Those punishments were self-indulgent. They came from his rage, his fury at having an entire potential lifetime stolen from his human self. It wasn't just punishment, it was revenge. They wanted to kill him and steal his life-force to prolong their own lives indefinitely, so he made them immortal, just not in any way that would grant them benefit. That's why in the monologue at the end, when Baines is recounting it, he says, "He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing. The fury of the Time Lord. And then we discovered why. Why this Doctor, who had fought with gods and demons, why he'd run away from us and hidden. He was being kind."
The ninth doctor didn’t slow down time, he just stopped relying on sight and instead trusted his feelings and steps through it’s just how it’s shot
Yes, I had totally forgotten about the Ood sitting on the loo. Thanks much for making me remember that one.
I never thought the 9th Doctor was stopping time. He felt rather he was concentrating so he could see everything in slow motion
The time stopping one, I don't think he actually stopped time. I think it was trying to portray him focusing to step through at the perfect moment. Since he's a time Lord he's probably very good with his timing (haha) but he didn't fully slow or stop it.
Ellie on song as normal. The spider Dan singing was too much 😂😂
the doctor probably doesnt like guns, but uses them grudgingly if he has to
A gun is a solution, but it's almost never the best solution if you think about all the other solutions. When armed Ogrons are coming for you, though, sometimes you just have to disintegrate them so you can survive to reach the better solution to the bigger problem.
The Doctor in the RTD era hating guns makes sense actually, since he just came out of the Time War. The only thing the Ninth Doctor CONSIDERS shooting is the Daleks (which he doesn't do anyway) and in Bad Wolf he goes "come on like I was ever gonna shoot", and the 10th Doctor either didn't have any intentions of shooting the Master or Rassilon or he initially did and then changed his mind. As for the 11th and 12th Doctors well that could be Moffat forgetting the Doctor's opposition to firearms in the RTD era.
Tennant's Doctor took up the revolver because Rassilon was that serious a threat (and, possibly, because shooting a Time Lord would only cause regeneration, so it was more like temporarily removing Rassilon as a variable to get something else done). It was supposed to be a signal that the Doctor couldn't risk not having every tool at hand to have a chance of winning against a Time Lord more dangerous than the Master. After that, though, they kept reusing the idea that it must be super-series for realsies because, ooh, the Doctor's picked up a gun! It must be super important! Mind you, the Doctor used a gun in the old series whenever it was the best tool for the job, such as when facing off against a vicious giant rat in a Victorian sewer with limited options for escape. A gun is a tool, but the Doctor never wanted anyone to consider it the first, best option in every situation.
honestly the moment with Christopher Ecleston and the fans I never thought of it as him slowing the time or stopping it - for me it was always his deep concentration and perfect timing
On the contrary, the bit where they lock the Tardis like a car is *very* funny
4:31 He's not slowing down time. He's just using his ability he mentions in the previous episode, where he mentions being able to feel the movement of the Earth. He just does the same for the ship he's on.
SPIDER-DAN!!
Gotta love Ellie!
You forgot something even more important about the doors. While in the revival series the inside of the doors still resemble a police box, in classic era Doctor Who the doors on the inside were entirely different doors than the doors on the outside.
There's even a line in episode where the Doctor says "I told you it was bigger on the inside." to which Queen Elizabeth responds "The door isn't, you nearly took my head off." They came out of the TARDIS ridding a horse in that scene. However in classic Doctor Who the doors actually were bigger on the inside, wider, taller, and thicker than the doors on the outside. It never made sense how the entrance to the TARDIS really worked. I mean if the Doctor and Queen Elizabeth had exited through the original TARDIS doors on a horse she wouldn't have any issue with the size of those doors. But it would be unexplainable how the doors shrank on the other side.
This gets even worse because in the Classic Era we've also seen the Master's TARDIS some times with an even smaller door on the outside forcing the master to duck as he enters the TARDIS but allowing him to stand up perfectly straight as he exits because the inside door is so much larger than the outside door. There's also an episode the Doctor temporarily fixed the chameleon circuit allowing his TARDIS to turn into other objects for a while and some of the things it turned into didn't even have a door, the actors would just step out from behind the object and we'd never see what they were actually exiting from.
This does happen ONCE in new who. Jodie Whittaker's Doctor separated from her own TARDIS on Gallifrey steals another working TARDIS which upon landing turns into a tree. That TARDIS was abandoned there still looking like a tree as she gets back into her own TARDIS. But just like in classic Doctor Who the interior of the TARDIS has those giant classic era doors while the outside doesn't have a door and Jodie just steps out from behind the tree never actually showing what she where she was exiting from.
We also see the giant classic era doors on Clara's diner TARDIS to which the opposite side of the giant double doors is the women's bathroom door in the back of the diner. So not only are the doors larger on the inside but there's also 2 of them inside and only a single door outside.
We have never been given an explanation for how those doors work.
I always noticed that, in the classic stories, there's a kind of black void beyond the interior TARDIS doors. It took a small amount of time to walk from the white-doored console room exit to the outer shell's exit. I always assumed, admittedly with little evidence, that there was some kind of unsettlingly dark "dimensional hallway" between the inside and outside. At some point between old and new series, though, the TARDIS redesigned itself for direct access, with a side effect of making internal and external doors into a single pair of doors. Don't ask me how. I mean, it's a structure that can eject bedrooms into the space between dimensions, I assume it has its ways.
I really like this “Fantastic” content
The ninth doctor scene with the fans to me always played as him concentrating on the timing of when he can step through between the two blades
I'm fairly certain Timelords have been stated to see, feel, and process time differently than other species. Like how the doctor can see fixed points like in waters of Mars and how Captain Jack is a fixed point and how wrong that is to him. Therefore, surely the 9th doctor was simply feeling the flow of time and stepping through the fast blades in a way practically none others could do so.
Re no. 5: I haven't ccompared cast notes, but the voice in the Tardis sounds exactly like the old man hologram from The Lodger.
Since we later learn that the time machine on Craig's house was commandeered by The Silence, there's enough of a connection there to allow at least my headcanon to let it go. 😁
I like that when Ellie says 'banish from your memory' it's the clip of Amy forgetting the silence!
Paul McGann is one of my favorites with Big Finnish Productions audio dramas. Especially with companion Charlotte Pollard. They make a great duo. I wish BBC would have done more with him. He would have been great.
"There was little reason to believe he was pulling anyone's leg at the time..."
... Actually, I always thought he was doing just that, and it fit the setting and mental state he was in at the time...
I'm still surprised people keep bringing this one up, when there are many other things wrong with that TV movie... (None of them related to Paul and his performance tho...)
My basic thought on the movie is that it could have been worse, and Paul was great! So great it was worth it.
And thanx for your #1!!! Totally agree there!!! ;-)
The Doctor is like any coward and doesn't want to carry a gun but grabs it when he's pissed or really needs it.
7:18 Please bring back Lady Cassandra 😂
Number 5 - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU...honestly I've spent years (a decade at this point?) being really frustrated by that never getting sewn up. Always assumed it was Omega, and they just dropped the storyline.
i feel that the part with the “time stopping” power is more something to do with how he is so closely tied with time that he can mentally slow it down so he could get the timing right
This may be the worst of these lists I've seen.
The Kiss was, perhaps, a bit of a flop, but the idea that Amy had issues to work out before she could fully commit to Rory actually makes a lot of sense.
As others have noted, he didn't "stop time" for the fan blades; rather, it was a case of attuning himself to their timing perfectly--something which absolutely makes sense for him, though the ability is never really repeated.
On guns: The Ninth Doctor is the Doctor seeking redemption for the War Doctor--of COURSE he's developed an anti-violence streak. That said, he's also routinely placed in positions where some degree of violence is necessary. The fact that this causes him to break a rule he'd rather hew to is called characterization, not inconsistency.
Honestly, the entire movie is generally considered forgettable. The notion that one line of it has special prominence in that regard is pretty silly.
The dormancy of the creature inside the moon is explicitly a case of hibernation bordering on stasis, and part of the species' long-term evolutionary strategy. It's highly likely that prior visits to the moon are simply during a time when the surface is simply a literal shell--how often do they go more than 80 miles below the surface (a plausible guess for the shell's thickness, during this period).
Let's put this vid at Number One on "Ten times WhatCulture jumped the shark."
4:05 "The 9th doctor and his new pet human"?! 😂 i actually had to rewind to make sure i heard that right😂
For point 7, I always read that as the doctor being able to focus enough to detect the interval of the fan. Not really slowing down time so much as detecting it which always made sense to me. I would love to hear some other theories.
The 9th doctor didnt slow down time, he was scared, adrenaline rushing, seeing everything in slow motion. its a common occurrence when adrenaline rushes. thats how i always saw it, never once thought he slowed down time
I hope i never forget 9 walking through the fan blades because that scene is absolutely awesome
4:25 I think in this scene the Doctor just walks in perfect time for the fan blades to completely miss him. Sort of a leap of faith moment. The issue is just that the speed the fans were animated to move at is way too fast for him to have walked through at the speed he did.
The Doctor didn't slow down time. He sped up his perception of time.
That the stopping one i always thought was just him really concentrating really hard on the fan ignoring everything else around him so he could step forward at just the right moment to not get hit
I never thought he actually slowed it or time down
**Power of the Doctor spoilers**
Thanks for the guns highlight re: Classic Who. I was watching Power of the Doctor and I busted out laughing when Ace & Tegan pulled out machine guns and started spraying gold bullets at the Cybermen. My immediate thought was that they must have come from a VERY different era of the Doctor, and I meant to go back and find out.
The one episode that always gets me is "Father's Day" (S1.E8) where Eccleston and Rose change a fixed point in time with Rose's dad dying which causes the Reapers to feast on every human until time returns to its' original state. The Reapers never return, yet in so many episodes following these "fixed points in time" have been altered with no repercussions. I get that it was the first season of the reboot but it doesn't give an excuse to not have them return to prevent so many continuity errors that followed in every single season afterwards...
The Doctor in "The End of the World" was not slowing down actual time. He was slowing things down in his mind so that he could he could time his move between the blades.
Just for the Spider-Dan reference you got a like 😂
I also just love the consistent quality videos :)
I always thought the bit with the 9th doctor and the fan was just him concentrating to get the timing perfect to avoid the fan blades rather than time stopping powers
pretty sure it was just showing his perception of time being slower, lowered frame rate and everything, classic videogame "this character is concentrating really hard" moment
The first one is very easily explainable. Boys get bored sometimes growing up and learn weird skills. I personally put hundreds of hours into trying to flip over a couch when I was a kid. Why? No reason other than I thought it would be cool. It’s entirely possible Danny did the same. I know the monster was taller than a couch, but after you learn the basics, you learn to scale up and get stronger. And, jumping a stationary object is not the same as dodging a car.
Humans are able to focus and speed up the processing of information and in a sense slow down time. So him stepping through a fan is just a timing trick, you'll notice if you watch the clip again that the fan doesn't slow down and he moved at a normal speed.
I never thought that moment with 9 was him slowing down time.
Here are some other things:
(1) The first Doctor mentions having built the TARDIS. Some people will try to excuse this as him having only built one part of the TARDIS, but it's clear from context that that's not what he meant.
(2) The Doctor is able to effortlessly defeat the family of blood, trapping one in a mirror, and doing similar things to the others. The implication is that he has godlike abilities that he was choosing not to use. Except... he never does this ever again. He doesn't trap the Daleks in a mirror or anything.
(3) The Doctor was Merlin
(4) The Doctor was the Valeyard.
(5) The Doctor has the ability to make objects appear and disappear, whether as the 3rd Doctor in Ambassadors of Death or the 7th Doctor in the Greatest Show in the Galaxy. Even the 12th Doctor gets in on the act with pulling a cup of tea from his pocket. Now, sure, he could have dimensionally transcendental pockets, but that doesn't really explain ALL of these uses of his superpower.
(6) The Doctor can heal others, but it uses his regeneration energy, but he can still do it when he has no regenerations left. Now imagine, if he had an infinite number of regenerations from some silly 13th Doctor story. He should be able to heal everybody who is ever injured from every injury. There should be no limitations on his ability to heal.
(7) The Doctor (as John Smith) in Family of Blood has even more powers than the ones he uses against the family. Even as just "John Smith", he can toss a ball in a precise way to cause a sequence of events that saves a baby from a falling piano.
(8) The first time the TARDIS became a police box was when the First Doctor was with Susan and it should've changed afterwards but didn't. So, the Fugitive Doctor can NOT have a TARDIS that looks like a police box, if she comes before the First Doctor, which is the strong implication of those stories.
I agree with most of the comments about 9 stepping through the fan. It wasn’t time slowing, he was just showing how he can speed up his thoughts and figure out when to step through.
And secondly when there’s a random voice in the tardis it isn’t random. The tardis was getting stuck in a time loop and struggling. It intercepted a moment in time. That moment was more than likely Dorium telling the doctor about the prophecy when they were in that tomb. The tardis has a history of warning the doctor about things and also intercepting different moments of time. Also she thought she was going to explode in that moment and probably was trying to warn river one last time
The Doctor after the Time War never wanted to use a gun again but would use one if they saw it as the only option. In two of those three examples you named he didn't shoot a person (one not shooting the other shooting a device) and the third was a Time Lord he even wished luck before they regenerated!
That last one was the most shocking time the Doctor used a gun, too, because the General wasn't a threat. They were only an obstacle in the Doctor's plan. It was perhaps the most alarming act of violence since he planned to bash in a man's head with a rock in An Unearthly Child. This isn't a complaint, by the way. It just went to show how far out of character he'd become in his obsession with saving Clara.
it’s been proven in The Ghost Monument that the snap only works with a key in your possession
4:28 that wasn’t him stopping time it was just the episode slowed down for dramatic effect 😂
on behalf of everyone i can say that the car key tardis was in fact funny!
the doctor never manipulated time to walk through the fan blades, he focused and took a leap of faith... the scene is played in slow motion for our benefit, which you can tell is the case since he also steps through in slow motion, I'd be surprised if more people thought he slowed down time there... he's just trying to get the timing right
‘A great big ball of string’ You missed an opportunity to quote “wobbly wobbly timey wimey thing”
I think the "Sometimes aversion to guns" makes perfect sense.
Partially from his new persona via Regeneration. But also because:
By the 9th Doctor, he's been IN the Last Great War MULTIPLE times. Even though it's started that only Caan was the first to break the Timelock surrounding the War, there's points of the War that include the 7th-11th Doctors.
And even by the 9th, he describes it as "Pure Hell."
It would make sense that after so much death, an individual would either not care (The Timelords/Daleks) or care WAY to much (The Doctor.)
Also in End of Time, he didn't genuinely threaten Rassilon and the Master with the gun, he was planning on shooting the machine all along. And in "Hell Bent" he shot that General, knowing they would regenerate, at the end of an ark that was all about him going too far.
There's a nod to the Atlantis thing in S9E1 when UNIT is looking for possible crisis points where he might be (around 20 mins into the episode):
"There we go. San Martino, Troy, multiples for New York, and three possible versions of Atlantis."
He didn't stop the fan... it didn't imply that at all. He paid attention with his better perception of time to time his step right.
The fan thing I feel can be explained by his description on how he can feel the Earth spinning in the first episode... he can just feel the fans
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The first time I watched that scene, I interpreted it as just the Doctor focusing really really hard.
The doctor's Timestopping powers isn't that at all. It's him centering himself and timing the swing of the fan so that he can step through at precisely the second it passes by. It's like timing water drip from a faucet and running something under it without getting it wet. I'm not going to look them up now, but there have been plenty examples of the doctor getting the timing of something precise to within a minimum range.
My take on the half-human thing has always been that it was just a throwaway line about being human on his mother's side but that he was half-human in his 8th incarnation. At that point, he had regenerated within the morphogenetic field of the Earth 5 out of 7 times, and given how unskilled he's always been at regeneration, eventually ending up half-human was practically inevitable. Everyone was averse to this idea because they hated the idea that one of his parents was human, but this explanation would bypass that issue.
Well Marc Platt intended the ending of Lungbarrow to imply that Leela and Andred's child would eventually travel back to the Dark Times and become the Other, who ultimately dissolves himself in the Loom network to be rewoven as the First Doctor explaining how he can be "half-human on (his) mother's side" but also Loom-born.
I never viewed it as the doctor slowing or stopping time when he stepped through the fan it was a neccesary leap of faith he made for the safety of the people on the station. His facial expressions before and after reveal this
I never thought of the scene with the 9th Doctor and the fan as him slowing time. I thought that was him tapping into his Time Senses to sense the perfect moment to step between the blades. I might just read too much fanfiction tho lol.
I dont think 9 slowed down time as much as he just takes a moment to breathe and clear his mind to be able to concentrate on the big fan and it's movement
The Doctor didn't manipulate time to walk through the fan; he was able to time it right.
I never took it as him stopping time just super duper concentrating and finding his window
I'm pretty sure they referenced that he was half human with capaldi being the Dr.
He is a hybrid. That's why he loves the earth so much.
OMG he doesn’t slow down time! He just gets attuned to the speed of the blades which enables him to pass through without being hit
"Half human. On my mother's side", eighth doctor.
" The doctor lies.", River song
I think Atlantis having numerous alternate fates makes sense in the doctor who universe, I've always gotten the impression that each adventure the doctor goes on alters the timeline slightly and this leads to the events of previous episodes basically being erased. For example think of how many stories are set on Earth but barely any overlap, the daleks and cybermen invaded earth numerous times but no one remembers it and there is so many interpretations shown for what future humans do that seem to contradict each other like them living on the star whale in the 11th doctor's story but also somehow building new earth in the 10th doctor's story. I think each time the doctor travels in time his TARDIS lands in a potential future/past that then becomes solidified by the doctor's actions, however this also erases contradictory past events so that the timeline makes sense for this specific event to be happening. That's why when the 3rd doctor visits Atlantis the events from the 2nd doctor's story have been entirely erased and Atlantis is destroyed in a completely different way.
And in regard to the guns, the doctor developed a hatred for violence because of the time war and him ending it. I think the 12th doctor's speech when he gives Kate and the zygon both buttons to press for a bomb also explains it, after witnessing the power of 'The Moment' he sees all guns and weapons as jokes because how can anything truly compare to the power of the weapon he used. Because he's used basically the strongest weapon in creation he knows to never use a weapon ever again and its why he's so adamantly against them post-time war whereas he used them occasionally as older incarnations.
I never assumed 9 slowed down time. He took a leap of faith and passed through at the right moment. It was slowed down for effect for the viewer.
Brought up in the first ever episode where the doctor met River Song, she had one of his sonic screwdrivers, and it had a *_red_* setting... still waiting on that development albeit I admit I also haven't even finished watching through Capaldi's era. So there's still time I suppose.
I think the Doctor's disdain for guns post Time War makes perfect sense, even if he had used them in the past. While 12 later shooting the General felt very left field given this... he did so to save Clara. Desperate times.
He also checked to make sure the General wouldn't be permanently dead before pulling the trigger.
@@thefrozenyak5272 Pfffttttt Oh that makes it so much better. There are a lot of places one could shoot *you* that wouldn't be fatal. Would that make it okay?