🧐 Sorry all, the developer has now restricted access to VirtualDesktopXR as this is an early build at the moment. I will announce it once available for public use.
Thankyou for taking the time to make this video Mark, it helped me greatly, I am all set up and was blown away the first time i found myself sat inside the aircraft I've been flying on a monitor for ages. Vr is amazing
Thank you for the review! I am glad you are recovered from covid. Going to wait awhile... my belief is that driver improvements will be able to help out the Quest 3. Right now people are still working it out.
I’d like to put on a request for a full detailed tutorial on how to setup Oculus link, AirLink and Virtual Desktop! There seems to be so many settings so some handholding to get the best quality and smoothness in MSFS would be deeply appreciated! Thanks for all you do, Mark!
THANK YOU! I ordered the Pico 4 a couple days ago based on reddit comments which line up with what you said. I was nervous if I made a mistake since most youtubers are ignoring the pico 4 in the quest 3 reviews...or hyping the quest 3.
Well, one of the issues is that the Pico 4 isn't available in the US. So basically just European and Asian regions have easy access to it. That being said... Pico 4 & Quest 3 do provide a very similar PCVR experience. Quest 3 has slightly higher quality streaming & slightly lower input delay (since higher bitrate thanks to new chip) and it gets brighter and slightly darker... so it has a better contrast too. The FoV's also a tiny bit larger and there's a few other minor improvements above the Pico 4. But the Pico 4 seems to have less of a screendoor effect and a few other minor advantages based on an individual. Long story short... they're pretty close, but the Quest 3 seems to be slightly better in most ways. If you already have a Pico 4, there's no reason to upgrade to a Quest 3 for PCVR. If you don't have a Pico 4 yet, might as well spend a little bit more money and get a Quest 3 instead.
Thanks Mark , could really do with a full startup procedure for quest 3 using a cable ,Maybe like a aircraft checklist in msfs lol., so many options with software/hardware /runtimes , Oculus home , Virtual desktop desktop version , steam vr virtual desktop , virtual desktop headset version etc etc. so confusing for the elderly lol. HP reverb G2 , just click on vr in msfs and everything started automatically. Cheers Mark hope you can help, 3080 gpu , i7 12 gen cpu. P.S. hope your feeling much better.
Hi Mark. Very comprehensive video. I certainly would like to see some in depth videos on using the Quest 3. One thing you did say that I disagree with was "It doesn't offer anything revolutionary or innovative". With the improvement on pass through video and Mixed Reality it offers for the first time using Mixed Reality in Flight Simming. Able to see your real world instruments along with the VR experience. Russ Barlow has done some good work on this, and it shows some great promise for the future. Keep up the great work Mark.
Hi Mark, first off, this review is a pearl of production value. Such a pleasure to see you breaking it all down to what simmers need to know and the visuals... hat's off. Then I fell off my chair when you mentioned the recent CTD's. For a week now I have been driven to madness, I went from not crashing a single time for well over a year to near unplayable. Of course, I thought "it's me", and I have been trying all tricks in the book, to no avail. Does anyone know what's going on?? Pipo the Clown.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks for the video. You can maybe help me, again: I see “5G/400 Mbps” in amber on the VD overlay, and only get up to 130 Mbps even if I select H.264+ and bump the bitrate up. Does that mean that my WiFi limits my bitrate, or is it the 3080Ti, or is both? The answer to this will tell me if I need to get a Wifi 6 router or it will not change anything.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks. But what does that mean to have amber 400 Mbps and less than that in actual bitrate? That I do not even fill the available bitrate isn’t it?
I'm certainly interesting in your Virtual Desktop settings for MSFS2020. My Quest 3 came today, I have a top-end GPU and a 6e network, so I'm hoping for good things. 🤞
Very useful and timely information. I'll be using this to help me set up my Quest 3 for PCVR with my 4090. I was very skeptical about buying this Q3 as I have a G2 and I love the Display Port low latency. I think this is going to work out though because the lenses are beautiful and it's a snappy little device to use. It is a very good upgrade from Quest 2, easily twice the device in every way. I think they'll smooth it out and make some improvements with driver updates and I think they are going to sell a lot of them. Thx for the video.
Great overview Mark. I have the Quest 3 and G2 and your experiences match my own there. I still prefer the Quest Pro over both the Quest 3 and G2 for PCVR although I've not used the Pico 4. In the UK, the Quest Pro is only £750 on Amazon which is cheaper than the Quest 3 with the larger storage option and the elite headstrap. Whilsts its MR and standalone capabilities aren't as good as Quest 3 the QLED displays, local dimming and foveated rendering eye tracking capabilities still make it a formidable PCVR headset. I know what you mean about grain. I don't notice so much in the Quest 3, but it is a bit more noticeable in the Quest Pro. I don't notice it any more though after a year of daily use. I also see a bit of mura in the Quest 3, and have some dead pixels, build quality seems below Quest Pro, which has no mura or dead pixels. I didn't know that OpenXR could bypass Steam, I haven't used it for a year or so, I will give it another look. I also haven't tried wireless in the Quest 3 yet as my experiences in Quest Pro and Quest 2 were always well below the link cable for me, and showed visibile compression. I have Virtual Desktop so I will install it on my Quest 3 and give that a try. I see you only run it on Virtual desktop at 78 mb/s second though? With the Link cable I run it at 500 mb/s and it virtually eliminates all compression artifacts, whenever I've tried wireless before it looks visibly compressed to me, I assumed because of the low bitrate?
I pretty well agree with all that Kevin. The QPro is still a very good (and under rated) PCVR headset. I'm enjoying my new Q3/512Gb with elite battery strap, and it's a keeper. I only intend to use it for Standalone mobile VR/MR, and as a backup to my Qpro. I also still have a +4yo Vive Pro1 with amoled screens, Etsy lens mod, 2x2.0 base stations, and Index controllers. Although the SDE is still a bit more than I'd like, it's still nice to use once in a while for darkish games and night flying. These headsets will do me until a QPro2 is released (2025?). I also agree it's pretty hard to beat Link at 500-650mbps. For me, Air Link at 200mbps dynamic plus 5mbps dynamic offset is almost a good, and it's my preferred way to play everything. Using the Oculus OpenXR default bypasses SteamVR and you can still use the OpenXR Toolkit. However, since getting an i913900k/4090 I haven't seen any significant reasons to use this anymore. To me it seems like Irish logic to need to run a separate program(s) in order just to do this with Virtual Desktop. Every time I hear RUclipsrs complain that they can't get Link or Air Link to work as well as VD, I cringe, and generally unsubscribe. On top of this, we then see headset comparisons based on sub-optimal setups and settings. Oh well, people are welcome to believe whatever they like, and use whatever they think works best I guess.
@@rangerkayla8824 I only play wired and don't play racing sims it's just low and slow flying for me. Ive been comparing Quest Pro and Quest 3 for wired PCVR tonight. Quest 3 wired could run an encode bitrate of 700 mb/s without issue in MSFS and was very smoother. The Pro struggles above 500 mb/s. It still looks smooth but there is audio stutter every 10 to 15 seconds which I guess is caused by the lower end chip being overloaded. Despite this, the Quest Pro looks better still. It's very close bit it's QLED displays are early better quality than the 3's regular LCD panels. The local dimming really shines during sunsets as well. I will continue to use Quest Pro for PCVR, and keep the Quest 3 for standalone and mixed reality.
@@rangerkayla8824 For sure, personal use case matters a lot. The Pro also has a very divisive open design. For some, like me, once modded with a top straps the most comfortable headset ever, and a joy not to need a facial interface, but then there are others who hate it for the same reason. Really comes down to personal preference and individual use case. Quest 3 might be a much better wireless headset, but I have always liked the wire so not tested. Quest 3 is much better for standalone and MR though, so hard to recommend the Pro unless you really want the open design and eye tracking. I'm happy with both for different use cases.
@@rangerkayla8824 I guess I've always stuck with Meta as I like their headsets. For the last year the Pro has had the best optics, best inside out tracking, best controllers, most features. I dont just play PCVR I use VR for exercise, specifically connecting to a stationary bike and Concept 2 rower which only works with Quest headsets. I've had all the best old school PCVR headsets, Index , Vive Pro 2 and G2 and preferred the Pro over them. Of the current high resolution headsets I hate the bulk of the Crystal, prefer pancake optics to aspherics because of the form factor. The BSB appeals to me but I'd need to buy base stations and Index controllers again, and Pico, Valve, Samsung, Apple and maybe Meta all have high end headsets coming in 2024 so didn't want to buy a PCVR headset now only for something much better to come out in a a year.
@@kevinbrook7033I use link at 900 both encoding and dynamic, 0 stutters on audio, maybe it’s cuz I use wired earphones or AirPods via pc Bluetooth. Came from pico 4 and actually surprised at the upgrade. Loving the QP design, Qled panels, sharper despite slightly lower res, SDE is more apparent on text only but everywhere else, it just disappears, no different than P4, 10 bit color accuracy, high knit brightness, DFR and air cooled just like p4. Once calibrated (20% contrast and 50% brightness in settings) the panels really come to life with the color depth and local dimming. I bought the aero and boxed it up, on the way back. Only gets beaten by pure resolution, i actually prefer the panels in the QP, like an Apple Cinema Display 1440p vs 4K Hisense.
Quest 2, HP Reverb G2, Quest Pro, and Pimax Crystal all returned or sold them for different reasons but keep going back to my Pico 4... wins me over in so many ways when the others could not from clarity, comfort or edge clarity reasons, the Pico 4 still has me hooked unil it s worth upgrading. Waiting for Somnium or Deckard are my hopes...
My experiences of running VD and then Steam VR beta have been surprisingly good. Yes, it is another layer but Steam vr is much more optimized than before and I didn’t notice any meaningful drop in frames or latency vs using VDXR. Either way it’s a win for VR
Using OpenXR via Virtual Desktop and skipping SteamVR is new, I had abandonned the idea a while back with my Quest Pro because of the overhead and performance loss, I'm going to have to update it and try it again. With my Quest Pro I've also had smoother performance over Air Link, with the cable I tend to get micro-stutters and I spend my time fiddling around with the Oculus Tray Tool trying to get everything to run smooth. However, I have a pretty solid wifi 6 network. Thanks Mark, hope you get back to health quickly :)
Thanks Mark, I'm very interested in this headset, been trying to build up my courage to go VR for a good year now and if i don't need steam on my PC the quest 3 could be it! Please can you do a full setup aimed at idiots like me who are not at all PC literate? Thank you so much.
The best way i use my quest pro is oculus link. Because i can push ctrl+numpad2 and get smooth 45fps if use 90hz mode. Very important switch off all sharpening in openxr! Use “no” setting in sharpening. Any of openxr sharpening ruins ocukus sharpening and you got a lot of aliasing and shimmering. I use normal mode sharpening in debug tool and sharpening on in msfs config file. Also i use 100-150 amd sharpening in msfs. Prefer 150, but 100 reduce all shimmering. I have 4090 and use 3200*3400 per eye resolution increasing. This option i use in openxr, because in my opinion its the best. Hope it helps) ps. Im very upset that quest 3 don have open design mode, like quest pro. I dont use any light blockers and this is insane comfort and sometimes you can feel FOV is better than in fact. This is strange illusion
Agree with you about Quest Pro comfort, I still prefer it to any other headset and just play in the dark with IR illuminator for maximum immersion. I'm really liking Quest 3 for standalone but prefer Quest Pro over my Quest 3 and G2.
@@SimHangerFS also I must admit that have some issues with oculus link, like audio stutters and flashing. if use Airlink with 180mb/s its fine and no stutters at all
I have used the Q3 since release for some flights, via Quest link with cable and 6E-Air link. I am positively surprised. Nevertheless, my Crystal is coming next week, which I am very much looking forward to. Thank you for your informative videos. ☺️✌️
Thank you for this video. I just wish you tested the link cable with maximum resolution and 70fps set in the oculus app. By the way I run msfs directly after running the oculus app. It doesnt need the steamvr or the virtualdesktop which helps with performance.
Likewise - SFS is also not assuming this headset is in the same league as $1500 headsets too. (Even BSB / Aero require light towers, at additional cost). This is a great overview/review.
You found the PICO 4 is as good as the Q3 in terms of image quality but what about framerate? As I expect to change my G2 only for flight sim use, the PICO is cheaper. Performance is an important point for me as I don’t have such a high end graphic cards as you. I have a RTX3080. Thanks in advance for your advice.
The performances is based to your PC as you are not really using the inbuilt chipsets to any great effect. For image quality my personal opinion is the Pico is ahead of the Q3. It has a marginally higher display rate.
I run a 3080 and the Quest 3 runs great over the link. I am not sure about the pico having less screen door effect as I can not see it on either and all reviewers comment the same , no screen door on Quest 3.
My opinion is to setup steamVR 70% supersampling. Run virtual destkop all settings maxed. godlike quality, streaming speed wifi6 maxed, activate snapdragon sharpening, max out sharpness. You get godlike sharpness and fps. It's like running the index at 500% ss.
Hey, by steamVR 70% supersampling you mean 170% (so add 70%) or decrease it to 70%? I know dumb question if you have a hardware to run it, but I don't so cannot actually tell if 170% is some outrageous value.
@GhernieM 70%, not 170%. What this does is you force the headset to use its technology to create a beautiful image from a crappy one. The only game so far that I ran into was space pirate trainer.
Thanks for this video. Needed this info. Stopped watching after the no display port part. Can't understand why they couldn't make a proper hybrid, cost perhaps? Well, it certainly cost them one sale.
I use to have an issue when it comes to the world map crash. Its add on related or it was the nvidia driver upgrade. Then i never had it again. So try that. Now i cleaned up my windows and deleted everything. Reinstalled windows and msfs with no add on for now. The initial loafing screen takes about 30 seconds to a minute compared to almost 4 minutes
Excellent review! Quick question- are you able to use open xr motion compensation with the virtual desktop method? I recently picked up a dof reality p3 and it’s incredible! Found your video with the motion compensation and can’t go back. Wonder if this still works without steam vr?
@@SimHangerFS Curious on your experience with it. I havent tried the virtual desktop method yet, but the motion compensation seems to be very jittery with the Q3 using quest link via the cable via steam vr. Worked perfectly with my G2. Hopefully I can get this sorted out as the Q3 is a great headset!
Hi Mark, thanks for the review. Does the link cable supply the headset with power? Otherwise, what are your recommendations for a long flight, without using the Elite strap with batteries?
@@PeterNauta60 You might try using your own battery pack into the usb3 port while flying wireless, if you have a nice one. I'm using one now. I think the key is to have an auto detect up to 3 amps instead of just 1.5, Cheers.
Thanks for the review Mark. When i go to the OpenXR toolkit for VD page, i dont see an option to download it. It says: There aren’t any releases here. Can you tell me what i am doing wrong?
Very educational series for which thanks :-) I recently have problems setting up the meta quest3 in msfs2020. Apparently I'm doing some setting wrong, because in steamVR I keep getting a large cinema screen but no VR...? Any help or information on where I can find this information would be appreciated and indeed a full setup tutorial for the Quest 3 with MSFS 2020 would be very welcome. Thanks in advance.
great review Mark, but I'm still confused on which to buy, Quest 3 or Pico 4. They seem to be similar in price and specs but which one do you recommend if its purely for flight sim?
Pico 4 is cheaper so if you dont mind XR features i think the choice is obvious. More than that P4 does not have MURA and screendor is less pronounced.
Personally I prefer the Pico 4, and that is my current day to day use headset. However the Q3 will continue to be developed so this could change over time. Pico 5 coming April next year.
Yeah I'm loving the Quest 3 after using the G2, you do need a powerful PC and yes it is a bit dissapointing about the screendoor, but the edge to edge clarity and ease of use make up for it.
@@dtrjones Pico 4 doesn't have that screendoor effect... although you're sacrificing a bit in terms of colour pop & contrast (but I do think the difference is too small for it to matter all that much). As for me, I already had a Pico 4. I'll be sticking with it until there's an alternative that's truly better in every way (which will probably be the Pico 5, supposedly launching late next year).
Nice one @@thenonexistinghero . Yeah I agree, no need for anybody with a Pico 4 to get the Quest, Pico has some pros over the Quest anyway and it's cheaper. People forget both headsets are new (in VR terms anyway as the Pico 4 is still less than a year old I think)
@@dtrjones A bit over a year actually by now. Launched around October 18th in Europe. I do suppose it's relatively new, but I am pretty disappointed that even today there isn't a single headset even announced that is capable of significantly better wireless PCVR. Improvements to contrast, black levels and HDR support would make the largest visual difference at this point, but no one making devices capable of wireless PCVR seems to have any interest in actually providing those. Well, PCVR is in a pretty bad state at the moment. It wasn't until the last few months that headsets started coming out with better contrast levels. The only PCVR headset that does seem to have HDR is the Pimax Crystal while some other high-end headsets like the Bigscreen Beyond and Varja Aero don't have it. And going by the fact that for some you still need to buy extra controllers and base stations... well, the minimum for investment for a PCVR headset with good contrast comes down to around $1600.
To have a question about the quest 3, I am among the people that bought Microsoft flight simulator from Microsoft store. On all the Quest reviews on watch nobody says if it will work on the Microsoft store version as I do not repeat do not have the steam version. I was really waiting and hoping on the quest 3 I have an i7 10700k, 32GB of RAM and RTX 3070. Seems like all the Microsoft flight simulator reviews everybody's kind of disappointed. Wish they had used a DisplayPort. I have a Reverb G2 right now and really want to upgrade to something with pancake lens as it is standalone and preferably a DP port. Is the quest 3 worth booting my Reverb G2 or not? Seems I've heard it both ways. Enjoy your channel entrust your reviews. Any info wouldn't really be helpful thank you
You can run the store version no problem. That is the version I have in the video. I can run it with the Q3 using VD, direct using Airlink or Link Cable.
Screen door is more obvious exactly because of the pancake lenses, due to the increase in sharpness compared to fresnel lenses, which wash out the image and thereby reduces perceived sharpness and with it the visibility of the space between pixels. A lens itself and not just the screen has a resolution, the max (or minimal) ability to transmit light. It can be compared with a camera and lens, but in reverse.
Interesting comparison with Pico 4 (which I have). Any particular reason why you are using 78mbs bandwidth and not go full 200 or 400mbs in Virtual Desktop? I ask because I would assume it does affect the graphical fidelity. Also maybe you have time at some point to do some exhaustive tests between using OpenXR Toolkit vs not using it at all while playing with Q3 or Pico4. Personally I tried it and found it to be not really doing anything at all.
Thanks for a good review. The Quest 3 seems like a fine headset, but maybe not worth the upgrade from Q2. Probably good for those who enjoy standalone gaming. You mentioned that you were having some CTD lately. I have as well. (since SU13 it seems) I only have Q2 but the sim crashes with or without it. Either from Loading a flight, zooming in and out of world map. Not so much when I'm flying. Slightly more stable when community folder is empty, but crashes do still occur. Had fairly stable setup before, so this is noticeable. Rtx 4090 i9 10900
Not worth the upgrade from the Q2? How did you get that from Mark's review. The edge to edge clarity alone makes it worth it and the headset has many other talents as well away from PCVR. It's a strong recommendation from me unless you are tight on cash.
@@dtrjonesIt was just me wondering. I have plenty of thougts on the matter, none of which are included in my answer, sorry about that. Like I said, it probably is a good headset. I’m just getting intermittent compression artifacts caused by less than optimal wifi and high/not optimized game settings on my quest2. Don’t know if a better headset is going to help with that. Maybe it’s better to consider headset with Displayport (just another pricepoint I know)
Ok @@planecrazyOnUtube can I recommend using cable on the Quest 2 and following Flight Sim Guy's settings which were intended for the Quest 3 but also work well on the Quest 2. ruclips.net/video/CLzevA8gqV8/видео.html
I have the Quest 2 and have been pretty happy with it for the past few years but I have to say that the Quest 3 blows it out of the water. I would not hesitate selling your Q2 and getting the Quest 3 immediately! Seriously, you won't regret it.
Hello, I tried to use OpenXR but it won't work. I can open up the toolkit window, but nothing else. Was never able to lauch MSFS with it?!?! Not really sure how to start this OpenXR.
Nice video ! But why only 78Mbps in VD ? I dont get it ... with 4090 you can easily do 400 Mbps in H264+ and that will get rid of all compression artifacts. Maybe you need a CPU upgrade for MFS2020... The 10900K is on the limit there and for VR is not a good CPU.
Hey mark i got the same specs as you. Can you show us your nvidia settings. I also got a quest 3. Id like to see if i can get the same preformance as you. Thanks
Hi Mark! Three questions: 1) Can you record from the Quest 3 headset? 2) Are you restricted to the flying for the duration of the battery life or can you have power from PC, like the HP Reverb g2? 3) What is the main difference or benefit in having a 512gb version to the 128gb version?
Answers…yes you can record directly in the headset. You can get power from additional battery or recharge as you go via wall socket connection. All you need is 128gb version. This memory is just for stand alone games loaded into headset.
Hello and thank you for the great video. I have few questions if you dont mind. Here is my first question please. Yo check ce dépassement. Apparently, if you go in the Debug Tool, and uncheck dynamic bitrate, you could increase the bitrate to 700-800 with the cable. However, keep in mind, you cant write it in because it is locked. I never tried it before, but apparently, you can write the number somewhere else then copy paste it in the debug tool. The second one is about OpemXR Toolkit with Quest 3. Does the fact that the clarity is almost edge to edge make the foveated rendering a bit useless because now we can clearly see the low quality on the sides? Thirdly, is the OpenXR Runtime Picker application a replacement to Open Composite app. Do i have to remove it then? Thanks, it would be very nice to have your input in that.
Foveated rendering is still available and can be used to reduce overall render size and thus improve performance if you’re struggling to get the performance levels you’re looking for. You do not need Open Composite for OpenXR applications, so you don’t need it for MSFS. (OC is used with OpenVR apps). I normally have my bit rate set between 200-400.
@SimHangerFS thank you for your answer. I beleive 200 mbs for the bitrate could give visible compression artifacts. I did try copy pasting 800 in the debug tool and it worked for me in the Quest 2.
I haven't seen anyone address this with the Q3. Can you create portals into the real world on it so the folks with cockpits can see their buttons and switches?
Compared to HP Reverb G2, how is the heat generation with regard to the eyes and how comfortable is Meta Quest 3 to wear? In my opinion Reverb G2 gets very hot.
Q3 does not get anywhere near as hot when using it for PCVR. Comfort…you’ll need to buy a replacement strap and battery pack. Details in a video on my channel.
By getting a G2 I not sure if I should've waited for this. But I'm so far away from my WiFi router that I need to turn WiFi off on my phone since cell signal is better. What do you think ? Thanks for the video
Thanks for the tips, great video. i had the g2 and the quality was better than q3.. i was about to give back the q3 but I switch to direct x 12 and i'm now at 58 fps and clarity is ok.. but still lot of antialiazing unfortunately.. i'm with open xr , does virtual desktop add something more than openxr ? thanks in advance config: 3080ti evga amd 5600x 3go ram msfs : medium and high Oculus : 80hz x 1.1 (4224x 2256)
So We should never Judge right !? , So My appologies I was going to skip this Vid when I saw you , because I tought It was going to be a "My Uncle do a review of someting technical" lol , BUT to my amazement , you know your stuff ! Lots of real facts , DID not know about the Virtual Desktop Open XR mod , so yeah a realy Big thanks for the Info , and I have a Quest 3 also and I Feel the same as your remarks . So Truly a good review with real knowledge and facts ! :)
Does the difference in FOV of the Q3 feel significant and is it worth upgrading if, like in my case you were very sensitive to FOV and it was hands down the most important feature of a hmd? Disregard other headsets. Look forward to getting your thoughts. Cheers J
My own experience: Larger FOV plus larger sweet spot plus sharper image made my MSFS experience much more enjoyable. Before when I played MSFS with Quest 2, I always felt much strain and would want to quit soon, but with Quest 3, I would like to stay in game much longer. I don’t think it’s because of better image quality or higher frame rate, but rather the comfort of eyes when they don’t have to lose and chase the sweet spot all the time.
ive spent 2 days with openxr . i had nothing but poor quality, really washed out grainy image, sky looked pixelated and the clouds were blocky . now today a different story , i downloaded windows mix reality. tried again in open xr , was using cas in sharpening and was horrible so set to off. the colours and fidelity is nice now. ref.. Q3 4070, intel 12400. resolution 3100x ? GPU 20% head room and cpu 35%. at 80fps. off line 70mbps latency., hope this helps.
How does the quest 3 perform as a headset for use with Vatsim? Can one of the hand controller buttons be allocated to ptt? Is there a bluetooth flightstick and pedals anywhere on the market that will connect to either the headset BT or direct to the PC BT to enable use remote from the PC in the same way the headset can?
Sorry just got my Quest 3 and I'm brand new to this VR, I have followed your video, as I have bought it for MSFS2020, steam VR sucks, but I thought that when i moved my head my view would change as if I were in the cockpit, but i can only get views to change using controllers? what have i missed? installed oculus on head set and PC and have streamer running too, using virtual desktop too.
Sounds like you’re not in vr. Run VD on pc and then in headset. From VD menu launch SteamVR. Once in SteamVR left controller left most button bring up steam menu. Select desktop. Select MSFS. Once on runway switch to vr using the key/button you set in MSFS. Using controller click away from screen. Reset your pilot position. You’re ready to go.
@@SimHangerFS thanks for the help got it to run. Now need to sort out the graphic settings as no where near what I’m used to. I’m running a omen laptop 20 series with i7 and RTX2070 with Ethernet cable connection. Will research for you tube videos.
Ditch the quest 3 for a used quest pro for the same price, but gain better visuals and performance in DFR. For pcvr pico 4 = quest 3, quest pro > pico 4/q3.
I have a 3090 and only 5 ghz wifi, would the pico 4 match the g2 res or have compression and latency e.t.c. Have the g2 currently just need a headset with pancake lenses to last me til next year and upgrade to a 12k or somnium
@@zakariya5110the Pico 4 does not have a display port so uses compression. 5ghz Wi-Fi is plenty (150-200mbps). Edge to edge clarity and good performance with 4070ti or above.
🧐 Sorry all, the developer has now restricted access to VirtualDesktopXR as this is an early build at the moment. I will announce it once available for public use.
Really unfortunate i was looking forward to using this.
Thanks currently it's kinda broken 😅
Oh damn I wanted it so much
Oh nooo, day off tomorrow and this was my mission of the day! At least. I know it's on its way. :)
Need this software, SteamVR is a jittering mess with Virtual Desktop; any idea when is the release date?
Thanks for the video. A full setup tutorial for the Quest 3 with MSFS 2020 would be greatly appreciated.
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same here
Thanks for the video. Would love to see a full setup guide. As a beginner in VR all those tools and expressions are overwhelming.
Thanks for this and yes I would like a complete setup. Your expertise makes you the prime mover for this kind of thing.
A full setup guide is definitely need for PCVR. I'm struggling to get my headset to work properly. Thank you.
This VD XR thing intrigues me! Thanks for covering it... even if it's early.
Thanks for this!
The Quest 3 arrives tomorrow 🙂
Would love a full setup toturial. You have a way of explaining everything that just works for me 🙂
Hello, how is quest 3? Especially on pcvr games compared to quest pro? I also want to buy Bigscreen Beyond but I am confused. Thank you
I would also appreciate a full setup tutorial as well. Great work.
Thankyou for taking the time to make this video Mark, it helped me greatly, I am all set up and was blown away the first time i found myself sat inside the aircraft I've been flying on a monitor for ages. Vr is amazing
Thank you for the review! I am glad you are recovered from covid. Going to wait awhile... my belief is that driver improvements will be able to help out the Quest 3. Right now people are still working it out.
I believe your correct, further improvements to come
Absolutely fabulous review! Thank you!
I’d like to put on a request for a full detailed tutorial on how to setup Oculus link, AirLink and Virtual Desktop! There seems to be so many settings so some handholding to get the best quality and smoothness in MSFS would be deeply appreciated!
Thanks for all you do, Mark!
This is exceptionally useful. Thanks for sharing your insights :)
THANK YOU! I ordered the Pico 4 a couple days ago based on reddit comments which line up with what you said. I was nervous if I made a mistake since most youtubers are ignoring the pico 4 in the quest 3 reviews...or hyping the quest 3.
Well, one of the issues is that the Pico 4 isn't available in the US. So basically just European and Asian regions have easy access to it. That being said... Pico 4 & Quest 3 do provide a very similar PCVR experience. Quest 3 has slightly higher quality streaming & slightly lower input delay (since higher bitrate thanks to new chip) and it gets brighter and slightly darker... so it has a better contrast too. The FoV's also a tiny bit larger and there's a few other minor improvements above the Pico 4. But the Pico 4 seems to have less of a screendoor effect and a few other minor advantages based on an individual.
Long story short... they're pretty close, but the Quest 3 seems to be slightly better in most ways. If you already have a Pico 4, there's no reason to upgrade to a Quest 3 for PCVR. If you don't have a Pico 4 yet, might as well spend a little bit more money and get a Quest 3 instead.
Thanks for posting Mark! Please do a setup video for us.
Thanks Mark , could really do with a full startup procedure for quest 3 using a cable ,Maybe like a aircraft checklist in msfs lol., so many options with software/hardware /runtimes , Oculus home , Virtual desktop desktop version , steam vr virtual desktop , virtual desktop headset version etc etc. so confusing for the elderly lol. HP reverb G2 , just click on vr in msfs and everything started automatically. Cheers Mark hope you can help, 3080 gpu , i7 12 gen cpu. P.S. hope your feeling much better.
Hi Mark. Very comprehensive video. I certainly would like to see some in depth videos on using the Quest 3. One thing you did say that I disagree with was "It doesn't offer anything revolutionary or innovative". With the improvement on pass through video and Mixed Reality it offers for the first time using Mixed Reality in Flight Simming. Able to see your real world instruments along with the VR experience. Russ Barlow has done some good work on this, and it shows some great promise for the future. Keep up the great work Mark.
Hi Mark, first off, this review is a pearl of production value. Such a pleasure to see you breaking it all down to what simmers need to know and the visuals... hat's off. Then I fell off my chair when you mentioned the recent CTD's. For a week now I have been driven to madness, I went from not crashing a single time for well over a year to near unplayable. Of course, I thought "it's me", and I have been trying all tricks in the book, to no avail. Does anyone know what's going on?? Pipo the Clown.
Same here, especialy when i'm in VR with TBM 850 (Reverb G2) it's randomly crashing to desktop. I haven't found any soutions yet.
Thanks, I was worried it was just me 😮
@@SimHangerFS Thanks for the video. You can maybe help me, again: I see “5G/400 Mbps” in amber on the VD overlay, and only get up to 130 Mbps even if I select H.264+ and bump the bitrate up. Does that mean that my WiFi limits my bitrate, or is it the 3080Ti, or is both? The answer to this will tell me if I need to get a Wifi 6 router or it will not change anything.
@@jango71 the bitrate is all about your bandwidth, not your GPU.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks. But what does that mean to have amber 400 Mbps and less than that in actual bitrate? That I do not even fill the available bitrate isn’t it?
Excellent video Mark, get well soon. We NEED you!
Thanks mate and congrats on your 30k subs….😊
@@SimHangerFS Cheers mate ❤️
I'm certainly interesting in your Virtual Desktop settings for MSFS2020. My Quest 3 came today, I have a top-end GPU and a 6e network, so I'm hoping for good things. 🤞
I fly with another Sim & PICO 4, but nonetheless your videos are always extremely helpful. Shall now try a change to OpenXR - thank you Mark. Cheers
Very useful and timely information. I'll be using this to help me set up my Quest 3 for PCVR with my 4090. I was very skeptical about buying this Q3 as I have a G2 and I love the Display Port low latency. I think this is going to work out though because the lenses are beautiful and it's a snappy little device to use. It is a very good upgrade from Quest 2, easily twice the device in every way. I think they'll smooth it out and make some improvements with driver updates and I think they are going to sell a lot of them. Thx for the video.
Hello, did you get quest 3? Compared to quest pro in pcvr, how it is? And what do you think about bigscreen beyond? Thank you
Great overview Mark. I have the Quest 3 and G2 and your experiences match my own there. I still prefer the Quest Pro over both the Quest 3 and G2 for PCVR although I've not used the Pico 4. In the UK, the Quest Pro is only £750 on Amazon which is cheaper than the Quest 3 with the larger storage option and the elite headstrap. Whilsts its MR and standalone capabilities aren't as good as Quest 3 the QLED displays, local dimming and foveated rendering eye tracking capabilities still make it a formidable PCVR headset.
I know what you mean about grain. I don't notice so much in the Quest 3, but it is a bit more noticeable in the Quest Pro. I don't notice it any more though after a year of daily use. I also see a bit of mura in the Quest 3, and have some dead pixels, build quality seems below Quest Pro, which has no mura or dead pixels.
I didn't know that OpenXR could bypass Steam, I haven't used it for a year or so, I will give it another look. I also haven't tried wireless in the Quest 3 yet as my experiences in Quest Pro and Quest 2 were always well below the link cable for me, and showed visibile compression. I have Virtual Desktop so I will install it on my Quest 3 and give that a try.
I see you only run it on Virtual desktop at 78 mb/s second though? With the Link cable I run it at 500 mb/s and it virtually eliminates all compression artifacts, whenever I've tried wireless before it looks visibly compressed to me, I assumed because of the low bitrate?
I pretty well agree with all that Kevin. The QPro is still a very good (and under rated) PCVR headset. I'm enjoying my new Q3/512Gb with elite battery strap, and it's a keeper. I only intend to use it for Standalone mobile VR/MR, and as a backup to my Qpro. I also still have a +4yo Vive Pro1 with amoled screens, Etsy lens mod, 2x2.0 base stations, and Index controllers. Although the SDE is still a bit more than I'd like, it's still nice to use once in a while for darkish games and night flying. These headsets will do me until a QPro2 is released (2025?).
I also agree it's pretty hard to beat Link at 500-650mbps. For me, Air Link at 200mbps dynamic plus 5mbps dynamic offset is almost a good, and it's my preferred way to play everything. Using the Oculus OpenXR default bypasses SteamVR and you can still use the OpenXR Toolkit. However, since getting an i913900k/4090 I haven't seen any significant reasons to use this anymore.
To me it seems like Irish logic to need to run a separate program(s) in order just to do this with Virtual Desktop. Every time I hear RUclipsrs complain that they can't get Link or Air Link to work as well as VD, I cringe, and generally unsubscribe. On top of this, we then see headset comparisons based on sub-optimal setups and settings. Oh well, people are welcome to believe whatever they like, and use whatever they think works best I guess.
@@rangerkayla8824 I only play wired and don't play racing sims it's just low and slow flying for me. Ive been comparing Quest Pro and Quest 3 for wired PCVR tonight. Quest 3 wired could run an encode bitrate of 700 mb/s without issue in MSFS and was very smoother. The Pro struggles above 500 mb/s. It still looks smooth but there is audio stutter every 10 to 15 seconds which I guess is caused by the lower end chip being overloaded.
Despite this, the Quest Pro looks better still. It's very close bit it's QLED displays are early better quality than the 3's regular LCD panels. The local dimming really shines during sunsets as well.
I will continue to use Quest Pro for PCVR, and keep the Quest 3 for standalone and mixed reality.
@@rangerkayla8824 For sure, personal use case matters a lot. The Pro also has a very divisive open design. For some, like me, once modded with a top straps the most comfortable headset ever, and a joy not to need a facial interface, but then there are others who hate it for the same reason. Really comes down to personal preference and individual use case. Quest 3 might be a much better wireless headset, but I have always liked the wire so not tested.
Quest 3 is much better for standalone and MR though, so hard to recommend the Pro unless you really want the open design and eye tracking.
I'm happy with both for different use cases.
@@rangerkayla8824 I guess I've always stuck with Meta as I like their headsets. For the last year the Pro has had the best optics, best inside out tracking, best controllers, most features. I dont just play PCVR I use VR for exercise, specifically connecting to a stationary bike and Concept 2 rower which only works with Quest headsets.
I've had all the best old school PCVR headsets, Index , Vive Pro 2 and G2 and preferred the Pro over them. Of the current high resolution headsets I hate the bulk of the Crystal, prefer pancake optics to aspherics because of the form factor. The BSB appeals to me but I'd need to buy base stations and Index controllers again, and Pico, Valve, Samsung, Apple and maybe Meta all have high end headsets coming in 2024 so didn't want to buy a PCVR headset now only for something much better to come out in a a year.
@@kevinbrook7033I use link at 900 both encoding and dynamic, 0 stutters on audio, maybe it’s cuz I use wired earphones or AirPods via pc Bluetooth. Came from pico 4 and actually surprised at the upgrade. Loving the QP design, Qled panels, sharper despite slightly lower res, SDE is more apparent on text only but everywhere else, it just disappears, no different than P4, 10 bit color accuracy, high knit brightness, DFR and air cooled just like p4. Once calibrated (20% contrast and 50% brightness in settings) the panels really come to life with the color depth and local dimming. I bought the aero and boxed it up, on the way back. Only gets beaten by pure resolution, i actually prefer the panels in the QP, like an Apple Cinema Display 1440p vs 4K Hisense.
Quest 2, HP Reverb G2, Quest Pro, and Pimax Crystal all returned or sold them for different reasons but keep going back to my Pico 4... wins me over in so many ways when the others could not from clarity, comfort or edge clarity reasons, the Pico 4 still has me hooked unil it s worth upgrading. Waiting for Somnium or Deckard are my hopes...
Better get out your Wallet for the Somnium because its going to be expensive.
My experiences of running VD and then Steam VR beta have been surprisingly good. Yes, it is another layer but Steam vr is much more optimized than before and I didn’t notice any meaningful drop in frames or latency vs using VDXR. Either way it’s a win for VR
amazing content very clear and great infomation thankyou
Thanks for the review. I would be very interested in the follow on video.
This may be my first VR so would love a set up guide.
Using OpenXR via Virtual Desktop and skipping SteamVR is new, I had abandonned the idea a while back with my Quest Pro because of the overhead and performance loss, I'm going to have to update it and try it again. With my Quest Pro I've also had smoother performance over Air Link, with the cable I tend to get micro-stutters and I spend my time fiddling around with the Oculus Tray Tool trying to get everything to run smooth. However, I have a pretty solid wifi 6 network. Thanks Mark, hope you get back to health quickly :)
Sorry to here you were not so well.. But glad your on the mend.
Thanks for the video too 👍
Another good video Mark! I think I'm going to wait for the Pico 5 Pro Max to be released April 2024, to replace my HP Reverb g2.
Thanks Mark, I'm very interested in this headset, been trying to build up my courage to go VR for a good year now and if i don't need steam on my PC the quest 3 could be it! Please can you do a full setup aimed at idiots like me who are not at all PC literate? Thank you so much.
Excellent review Mark. Thank you very much.👍
Thanks 👍
The best way i use my quest pro is oculus link. Because i can push ctrl+numpad2 and get smooth 45fps if use 90hz mode. Very important switch off all sharpening in openxr! Use “no” setting in sharpening. Any of openxr sharpening ruins ocukus sharpening and you got a lot of aliasing and shimmering. I use normal mode sharpening in debug tool and sharpening on in msfs config file. Also i use 100-150 amd sharpening in msfs. Prefer 150, but 100 reduce all shimmering. I have 4090 and use 3200*3400 per eye resolution increasing. This option i use in openxr, because in my opinion its the best. Hope it helps) ps. Im very upset that quest 3 don have open design mode, like quest pro. I dont use any light blockers and this is insane comfort and sometimes you can feel FOV is better than in fact. This is strange illusion
Agree with you about Quest Pro comfort, I still prefer it to any other headset and just play in the dark with IR illuminator for maximum immersion. I'm really liking Quest 3 for standalone but prefer Quest Pro over my Quest 3 and G2.
Thanks for the tips, I’ll give it a try.
@@SimHangerFS also I must admit that have some issues with oculus link, like audio stutters and flashing. if use Airlink with 180mb/s its fine and no stutters at all
helped me so much, thank you!
I have used the Q3 since release for some flights, via Quest link with cable and 6E-Air link. I am positively surprised.
Nevertheless, my Crystal is coming next week, which I am very much looking forward to.
Thank you for your informative videos. ☺️✌️
how does your Crystal compares to Q3?
Thank you for this video. I just wish you tested the link cable with maximum resolution and 70fps set in the oculus app. By the way I run msfs directly after running the oculus app. It doesnt need the steamvr or the virtualdesktop which helps with performance.
Thanx. At least the balanced\quiet review without these "wow\amazing\mindblowing\the best vr experiene i ve ever had" and so on.
Likewise - SFS is also not assuming this headset is in the same league as $1500 headsets too. (Even BSB / Aero require light towers, at additional cost). This is a great overview/review.
I would love a setup guide!
1000% agree with this video. comparing my reverb g2 with the quest 3 I had the same exact thoughts.
I loved the Q3 that much I’ve sold my reverb G2
Great review and tips thank you
love to see a full setup for best method to run msfs2020 with quest 3.
Hi Mark … thanks for the great review. How do I get the OpenXR for VD ? The link for release page doesn’t have anything to actually download ? Ta.
Same here
See pinned comment
You found the PICO 4 is as good as the Q3 in terms of image quality but what about framerate? As I expect to change my G2 only for flight sim use, the PICO is cheaper. Performance is an important point for me as I don’t have such a high end graphic cards as you. I have a RTX3080.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
The performances is based to your PC as you are not really using the inbuilt chipsets to any great effect. For image quality my personal opinion is the Pico is ahead of the Q3. It has a marginally higher display rate.
I run a 3080 and the Quest 3 runs great over the link. I am not sure about the pico having less screen door effect as I can not see it on either and all reviewers comment the same , no screen door on Quest 3.
Quest link can be accessed by clicking on the time/wifi/battery section bottom left in the home screen
My opinion is to setup steamVR 70% supersampling. Run virtual destkop all settings maxed. godlike quality, streaming speed wifi6 maxed, activate snapdragon sharpening, max out sharpness. You get godlike sharpness and fps. It's like running the index at 500% ss.
Hey, by steamVR 70% supersampling you mean 170% (so add 70%) or decrease it to 70%? I know dumb question if you have a hardware to run it, but I don't so cannot actually tell if 170% is some outrageous value.
@GhernieM 70%, not 170%. What this does is you force the headset to use its technology to create a beautiful image from a crappy one. The only game so far that I ran into was space pirate trainer.
Thanks for the review. Please make a full setup video guide.
Setup guide for Quest 3 and MSFS will be super!! I dont use Steam.
Thanks for this video. Needed this info. Stopped watching after the no display port part. Can't understand why they couldn't make a proper hybrid, cost perhaps? Well, it certainly cost them one sale.
A full reviewed requested please. Too many settings and variables to figure out.
I'll stick with my G2 for the foreseeable. I've noticed DLAA in DCS is phenomenal 👌
Hope you're fully recovered from Covid, and thanks for the review!
It's wasn't Covid - you made yourself queasy playing in that DOFReality Simulator so much ! 🤣
😂
I use to have an issue when it comes to the world map crash. Its add on related or it was the nvidia driver upgrade. Then i never had it again. So try that. Now i cleaned up my windows and deleted everything. Reinstalled windows and msfs with no add on for now. The initial loafing screen takes about 30 seconds to a minute compared to almost 4 minutes
Excellent review! Quick question- are you able to use open xr motion compensation with the virtual desktop method? I recently picked up a dof reality p3 and it’s incredible! Found your video with the motion compensation and can’t go back. Wonder if this still works without steam vr?
I haven’t tried yet, but as it still uses OpenXR I see no reason why it would not.
@@SimHangerFS Curious on your experience with it. I havent tried the virtual desktop method yet, but the motion compensation seems to be very jittery with the Q3 using quest link via the cable via steam vr. Worked perfectly with my G2. Hopefully I can get this sorted out as the Q3 is a great headset!
Hi Mark, thanks for the review. Does the link cable supply the headset with power? Otherwise, what are your recommendations for a long flight, without using the Elite strap with batteries?
Not enough to maintain a charge. Adapter to do this exists review coming up next 😊
@@SimHangerFS Thanks, looking forward to it!
@@PeterNauta60 You might try using your own battery pack into the usb3 port while flying wireless, if you have a nice one. I'm using one now. I think the key is to have an auto detect up to 3 amps instead of just 1.5, Cheers.
Thanks for the review Mark. When i go to the OpenXR toolkit for VD page, i dont see an option to download it. It says: There aren’t any releases here. Can you tell me what i am doing wrong?
Join the discord, there is a working link there if the website one is not active.
@@SimHangerFS can you share the link to the Discord pkease ? Can't find it...
Thanks. Found it@@SimHangerFS
Hope this works well with InfuseVR when it gets released
Looking forward to testing this 😊
Quest 2 looks great with the right settings and a powerful gpu!!
Very educational series for which thanks :-) I recently have problems setting up the meta quest3 in msfs2020. Apparently I'm doing some setting wrong, because in steamVR I keep getting a large cinema screen but no VR...? Any help or information on where I can find this information would be appreciated and indeed a full setup tutorial for the Quest 3 with MSFS 2020 would be very welcome. Thanks in advance.
In the steamvr settings, under openXR change the runtime to SteamVR and your good to go!
i will give it a try... thanks @@SimHangerFS
Runs much better, but how can i use motion reprojection with virtual desktop? cant fly without it! the vd asw is not working for me so far
Thank you!
great review Mark, but I'm still confused on which to buy, Quest 3 or Pico 4. They seem to be similar in price and specs but which one do you recommend if its purely for flight sim?
Pico 4 is cheaper so if you dont mind XR features i think the choice is obvious. More than that P4 does not have MURA and screendor is less pronounced.
The Pico 4 is really nice, but if you could hold out a little longer the Pico 5 is only a few months away and looks fantastic!
@@atriusvinius319 pico 4 gets mura too.
Get the Quest 3.. Pico 4 is on the way out and Quest 3 will be getting new updates on the regular.
Personally I prefer the Pico 4, and that is my current day to day use headset. However the Q3 will continue to be developed so this could change over time. Pico 5 coming April next year.
HP seems to have abandoned the Reverb and looks like it's the end of the VR road for them. That'd make the Quest 3 the better choice, IMO.
Yeah I'm loving the Quest 3 after using the G2, you do need a powerful PC and yes it is a bit dissapointing about the screendoor, but the edge to edge clarity and ease of use make up for it.
Don't forget the Pico 4
@@dtrjones Pico 4 doesn't have that screendoor effect... although you're sacrificing a bit in terms of colour pop & contrast (but I do think the difference is too small for it to matter all that much). As for me, I already had a Pico 4. I'll be sticking with it until there's an alternative that's truly better in every way (which will probably be the Pico 5, supposedly launching late next year).
Nice one @@thenonexistinghero . Yeah I agree, no need for anybody with a Pico 4 to get the Quest, Pico has some pros over the Quest anyway and it's cheaper. People forget both headsets are new (in VR terms anyway as the Pico 4 is still less than a year old I think)
@@dtrjones A bit over a year actually by now. Launched around October 18th in Europe. I do suppose it's relatively new, but I am pretty disappointed that even today there isn't a single headset even announced that is capable of significantly better wireless PCVR.
Improvements to contrast, black levels and HDR support would make the largest visual difference at this point, but no one making devices capable of wireless PCVR seems to have any interest in actually providing those.
Well, PCVR is in a pretty bad state at the moment. It wasn't until the last few months that headsets started coming out with better contrast levels. The only PCVR headset that does seem to have HDR is the Pimax Crystal while some other high-end headsets like the Bigscreen Beyond and Varja Aero don't have it. And going by the fact that for some you still need to buy extra controllers and base stations... well, the minimum for investment for a PCVR headset with good contrast comes down to around $1600.
Excellent review, thanks. I have a 3080ti, would that ok to use with the quest 3? MSFS, dcs etc.
Yes I believe it would work well with a 3080 and VD
To have a question about the quest 3, I am among the people that bought Microsoft flight simulator from Microsoft store. On all the Quest reviews on watch nobody says if it will work on the Microsoft store version as I do not repeat do not have the steam version. I was really waiting and hoping on the quest 3 I have an i7 10700k, 32GB of RAM and RTX 3070. Seems like all the Microsoft flight simulator reviews everybody's kind of disappointed. Wish they had used a DisplayPort. I have a Reverb G2 right now and really want to upgrade to something with pancake lens as it is standalone and preferably a DP port. Is the quest 3 worth booting my Reverb G2 or not? Seems I've heard it both ways. Enjoy your channel entrust your reviews. Any info wouldn't really be helpful thank you
You can run the store version no problem. That is the version I have in the video. I can run it with the Q3 using VD, direct using Airlink or Link Cable.
I have heard alot of people's quest 3 has dead pixels I hope this isn't a widespread issue thanks for the review
No problem with mine. 😀
Screen door is more obvious exactly because of the pancake lenses, due to the increase in sharpness compared to fresnel lenses, which wash out the image and thereby reduces perceived sharpness and with it the visibility of the space between pixels. A lens itself and not just the screen has a resolution, the max (or minimal) ability to transmit light. It can be compared with a camera and lens, but in reverse.
The sad effect is due to the lens being rotated slightly I’m told.
Interesting comparison with Pico 4 (which I have). Any particular reason why you are using 78mbs bandwidth and not go full 200 or 400mbs in Virtual Desktop? I ask because I would assume it does affect the graphical fidelity. Also maybe you have time at some point to do some exhaustive tests between using OpenXR Toolkit vs not using it at all while playing with Q3 or Pico4. Personally I tried it and found it to be not really doing anything at all.
Because it affects latency and/or performance
Thanks for a good review. The Quest 3 seems like a fine headset, but maybe not worth the upgrade from Q2. Probably good for those who enjoy standalone gaming. You mentioned that you were having some CTD lately. I have as well. (since SU13 it seems) I only have Q2 but the sim crashes with or without it. Either from Loading a flight, zooming in and out of world map. Not so much when I'm flying. Slightly more stable when community folder is empty, but crashes do still occur. Had fairly stable setup before, so this is noticeable.
Rtx 4090
i9 10900
Thanks for the feedback, appreciated 😊
Not worth the upgrade from the Q2? How did you get that from Mark's review. The edge to edge clarity alone makes it worth it and the headset has many other talents as well away from PCVR. It's a strong recommendation from me unless you are tight on cash.
@@dtrjonesIt was just me wondering. I have plenty of thougts on the matter, none of which are included in my answer, sorry about that. Like I said, it probably is a good headset. I’m just getting intermittent compression artifacts caused by less than optimal wifi and high/not optimized game settings on my quest2. Don’t know if a better headset is going to help with that. Maybe it’s better to consider headset with Displayport (just another pricepoint I know)
Ok @@planecrazyOnUtube can I recommend using cable on the Quest 2 and following Flight Sim Guy's settings which were intended for the Quest 3 but also work well on the Quest 2. ruclips.net/video/CLzevA8gqV8/видео.html
I have the Quest 2 and have been pretty happy with it for the past few years but I have to say that the Quest 3 blows it out of the water. I would not hesitate selling your Q2 and getting the Quest 3 immediately! Seriously, you won't regret it.
I would love to see a full set up guide with the add on you spoke of for virt desktop
ruclips.net/video/eD_ZXwflnDQ/видео.htmlsi=Qo4uvkc8rd6cXqlT
Hello, I tried to use OpenXR but it won't work. I can open up the toolkit window, but nothing else. Was never able to lauch MSFS with it?!?! Not really sure how to start this OpenXR.
Nice video ! But why only 78Mbps in VD ? I dont get it ... with 4090 you can easily do 400 Mbps in H264+ and that will get rid of all compression artifacts. Maybe you need a CPU upgrade for MFS2020... The 10900K is on the limit there and for VR is not a good CPU.
AWESOME SETUP: Quest3, 4090, i9, Router wi-fi 6, VD_Streamer + AV-1 10 bit + turn off Autom. adjust bitrate, VD + Godlike + 72fps + Bitrate=200 + Disable Spacewarp + disable Color Vibrance, VirtualDesktop-OpenXR, OpenXR Toolkit 😉
Very nice!
Hey mark i got the same specs as you. Can you show us your nvidia settings. I also got a quest 3. Id like to see if i can get the same preformance as you. Thanks
Power management = max plus texture filtering = high performance. Everything else is at default 👍
Hi Mark! Three questions: 1) Can you record from the Quest 3 headset? 2) Are you restricted to the flying for the duration of the battery life or can you have power from PC, like the HP Reverb g2? 3) What is the main difference or benefit in having a 512gb version to the 128gb version?
Answers…yes you can record directly in the headset. You can get power from additional battery or recharge as you go via wall socket connection. All you need is 128gb version. This memory is just for stand alone games loaded into headset.
Hello and thank you for the great video. I have few questions if you dont mind.
Here is my first question please. Yo check ce dépassement. Apparently, if you go in the Debug Tool, and uncheck dynamic bitrate, you could increase the bitrate to 700-800 with the cable. However, keep in mind, you cant write it in because it is locked. I never tried it before, but apparently, you can write the number somewhere else then copy paste it in the debug tool.
The second one is about OpemXR Toolkit with Quest 3. Does the fact that the clarity is almost edge to edge make the foveated rendering a bit useless because now we can clearly see the low quality on the sides?
Thirdly, is the OpenXR Runtime Picker application a replacement to Open Composite app. Do i have to remove it then?
Thanks, it would be very nice to have your input in that.
Foveated rendering is still available and can be used to reduce overall render size and thus improve performance if you’re struggling to get the performance levels you’re looking for. You do not need Open Composite for OpenXR applications, so you don’t need it for MSFS. (OC is used with OpenVR apps). I normally have my bit rate set between 200-400.
@SimHangerFS thank you for your answer. I beleive 200 mbs for the bitrate could give visible compression artifacts. I did try copy pasting 800 in the debug tool and it worked for me in the Quest 2.
@@MegaIronica yes, try 920
@@SimHangerFS Excellent. Yes I just tried 940 and it worked as well. It is insane to think this was possible all along lol.
I haven't seen anyone address this with the Q3. Can you create portals into the real world on it so the folks with cockpits can see their buttons and switches?
Could you please do a comparison with the quest pro?
Compared to REVERB G2, the colours in Quest 3 are more intense, but the image has a distinct blue tint. Does this happen to you too?
Compared to HP Reverb G2, how is the heat generation with regard to the eyes and how comfortable is Meta Quest 3 to wear? In my opinion Reverb G2 gets very hot.
Q3 does not get anywhere near as hot when using it for PCVR. Comfort…you’ll need to buy a replacement strap and battery pack. Details in a video on my channel.
By getting a G2 I not sure if I should've waited for this. But I'm so far away from my WiFi router that I need to turn WiFi off on my phone since cell signal is better. What do you think ? Thanks for the video
No in your case your better of with the G2
@@SimHangerFS Thanks Mark
Bypassing steam will be the dogs! Not sure about £130 pounds for that strap though!
Thanks for the tips, great video.
i had the g2 and the quality was better than q3..
i was about to give back the q3 but I switch to direct x 12 and i'm now at 58 fps and clarity is ok.. but still lot of antialiazing unfortunately..
i'm with open xr , does virtual desktop add something more than openxr ?
thanks in advance
config: 3080ti evga
amd 5600x
3go ram
msfs : medium and high
Oculus : 80hz x 1.1 (4224x 2256)
Yes, it has a few visual settings, videos on my channel.
So We should never Judge right !? , So My appologies I was going to skip this Vid when I saw you , because I tought It was going to be a "My Uncle do a review of someting technical" lol , BUT to my amazement , you know your stuff ! Lots of real facts , DID not know about the Virtual Desktop Open XR mod , so yeah a realy Big thanks for the Info , and I have a Quest 3 also and I Feel the same as your remarks . So Truly a good review with real knowledge and facts ! :)
😂 Cheers from your elderly uncle 👍
A Full set up guide would be very helpful thanks mark for your review of this headset.Would the 128 gig be ok for msfs or should i go for the 512gb
128Gb is perfect for any PCVR
@@SimHangerFS thank you.
Would u pick the primax crystal light over it though ?
Does the difference in FOV of the Q3 feel significant and is it worth upgrading if, like in my case you were very sensitive to FOV and it was hands down the most important feature of a hmd? Disregard other headsets. Look forward to getting your thoughts. Cheers J
My own experience: Larger FOV plus larger sweet spot plus sharper image made my MSFS experience much more enjoyable.
Before when I played MSFS with Quest 2, I always felt much strain and would want to quit soon, but with Quest 3, I would like to stay in game much longer. I don’t think it’s because of better image quality or higher frame rate, but rather the comfort of eyes when they don’t have to lose and chase the sweet spot all the time.
ive spent 2 days with openxr . i had nothing but poor quality, really washed out grainy image, sky looked pixelated and the clouds were blocky . now today a different story , i downloaded windows mix reality. tried again in open xr , was using cas in sharpening and was horrible so set to off.
the colours and fidelity is nice now.
ref.. Q3 4070, intel 12400. resolution 3100x ? GPU 20% head room and cpu 35%. at 80fps. off line 70mbps latency., hope this helps.
How does the quest 3 perform as a headset for use with Vatsim? Can one of the hand controller buttons be allocated to ptt? Is there a bluetooth flightstick and pedals anywhere on the market that will connect to either the headset BT or direct to the PC BT to enable use remote from the PC in the same way the headset can?
I can't find the file to install (VirtualDesktop-OpenXR-.msi)? The realease link is empty. Any advice!
Yeah same issue here
See pinned comment
Got to ask you Mike... I have a HP Reverb G1 nor G2 just G1...:) Will i win much to change it to Quest 3? Graphic and muscle power vs G1?
There is a gain without question, but not a massive step up. Might be best to wait this one out.
Much better DLSS + DLAA
Can you show your FS20 graphic config?
Thanks!
Sorry just got my Quest 3 and I'm brand new to this VR, I have followed your video, as I have bought it for MSFS2020, steam VR sucks, but I thought that when i moved my head my view would change as if I were in the cockpit, but i can only get views to change using controllers? what have i missed? installed oculus on head set and PC and have streamer running too, using virtual desktop too.
Sounds like you’re not in vr. Run VD on pc and then in headset. From VD menu launch SteamVR. Once in SteamVR left controller left most button bring up steam menu. Select desktop. Select MSFS. Once on runway switch to vr using the key/button you set in MSFS. Using controller click away from screen. Reset your pilot position. You’re ready to go.
@@SimHangerFS thank you. I have not got VD on my pc it only loaded to headset. Will visit meta again and see if I can get it to download.
@@carpless you get the pc version free from the VD site. Run on pc then in headset and they link.
@@SimHangerFS thanks for the help got it to run. Now need to sort out the graphic settings as no where near what I’m used to. I’m running a omen laptop 20 series with i7 and RTX2070 with Ethernet cable connection. Will research for you tube videos.
So you suggest not to use both addons at the same time?
Have a quest 3 need a decent pc for ultra settings but have no idea what i need will to spend around 2.500
Using the Q2 in the past has been an awful experience for me in MSFS. No matter the tutorial or settings, I cannot get readable instruments
You need a reasonable GPU….4070 plus for this headset as no DP port.
Ditch the quest 3 for a used quest pro for the same price, but gain better visuals and performance in DFR. For pcvr pico 4 = quest 3, quest pro > pico 4/q3.
I have a 3090 and only 5 ghz wifi, would the pico 4 match the g2 res or have compression and latency e.t.c. Have the g2 currently just need a headset with pancake lenses to last me til next year and upgrade to a 12k or somnium
@@zakariya5110i have the same question. Hope for a good answer
@@zakariya5110the Pico 4 does not have a display port so uses compression. 5ghz Wi-Fi is plenty (150-200mbps). Edge to edge clarity and good performance with 4070ti or above.
/with pcvr link cable connected, are you still limited by std battery life?
It still runs down but at about half the rate
Yes, the cable does extend the life though by about 20% in my tests.
full setup guide desired 😇
Are the instruments readable? My last try was with the Oculus Rift and I had trouble reading the instruments.
Yes they are, subject to your settings & GPU.