Just stumble across your m62 non Vanos. I have a 1998 540ia with 151280 miles. So I am getting ready to do this procedure. A very good video with stunningly clear information! Very highly appreciated! Thank you so very much!
@@onkelmicke9670 Yup! Far better engine than the VVTs in my opinion, at a small but noticeable low-rpm power deference, but higher top-end horsepower due to a better intake and better flowing intake. The VVT is what causes chain slap when the chain recoils with rapid rpm changes, breaking the guides in the process.
Truly Motors Nice one. Many thanks for taking your time to compile the video.really appreciate you explaining and actually showing us how it’s done. Can you show us the M62tu (vanos) process as well?
Charchiks Unfortunately with the M62TU VANOS engines, it's often cheaper, faster, and easier just to swap in a junkyard engine. If I do find a situation where it makes sense to fix a VANOS engine. I will certainly make a video.
@@CHARCHIKS A year too late, but there's a good guide for m62tub44 engine here: ruclips.net/video/bGmni3iTkhk/видео.html Same principle for tub46 and i think 40 aswell.
Great video and instructions. I am in teardown mode now. One question; did you only need to lock the cams on the passenger side? I did not catch if there was a tool for drivers side.
Thanks, there are cam locks on both sides of the engine. Some people use a block of wood in between the cams to keep them from spinning, but I like the cam locks a lot more.
The marks are necessary to confirm the gears are the same number of chain links apart. Without the tensioner engaged, it is possible to have it off a link or two on one of the gears.
I've never heard of a nylon timing drive gear. The problem with these BMW V8s is the plastic guides. The gears and chains are metal and hold up great as long as the guides don't fail.
Truly Motors, can this timing procedure be done on the M62tu, not using the special tools other than the cam blocks? I have done M52tu head gaskets and timing the vanos with great sucess. It seems that this can be done with marking everything like you did, removing one side , locking the cams in place, removing the chain, guides, installing new guides, chain and locking it back down with out having to change/ re-do the timing.
I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't work. I haven't had a chance to do a timing chain/guides job on the M62TU. Every time I had one with failed or failing chain and guides, I called up the junkyard and so far they've always had a good engine on hand. I usually pick them up for around $1,200. Believe it or not it's a lot less work to just yank out the engine and drop in a replacement. The car in this video is my personal E39 which has been meticulously cared for it's entire life and I didn't want to put a questionable engine in it.
Hey I know this is an old video but I followed everything that you did in the video and had no trouble with anything until I took the tensioner that came in my eBay timing kit loose and then the one bank rolled slightly clockwise and made the chain slack at the u guide. Is this normal and would the tension return as the tension is installed and gets oil pressure to it or is this something I should be worried about
The most important thing is to make sure the marks from your new timing chain perfectly match old timing chain and the marks you made on the crank and heads, as long as everything lines up and timed the head gear you removed with some tension on the chain, you should be good.
@@TrulyMotors it’s been awhile since I last commented but I really appreciate the help and have been driving the car for the last 3 months timing chain rattle free thank your so much
Marking the chain, cams, and crank is just a precaution to make absolutely sure that the timing is correct and that the chain isn't off a tooth on one of the gears. As long as the cams were locked in place before you removed the chain and the crank hasn't moved at all, installing the new chain without any marks shouldn't be a problem.
@@zeentertainment9659 No problem, I've actually never had a chance to take the heads off of one of these engines. My engine is still rocking the original head gaskets at 210,000 miles. But from my experience with other BMWs, just trust the specs from BMW, they've never done me wrong in the past.
Do you know which way the cam trigger wheel should be fitted.im afriad the reason my car starts and cuts out is because i might have set it the wrong way.ive nothiced there is no write up about it on any forum
The lower cover, yes. You could cut the zip tie once you get the bolts into the cam sprocket but it's nice to have everything out of the way of installing the lower timing cover. Once that's in place, you can cut the zip tie. Just make sure you don't drop it down into the engine!
@@Shas4Ever You definitely need to cut the zip tie before you reassemble the engine. All the zip tie is doing is insuring the previously removed cam gear is timed properly. Once together, the timing chain tensioner, which screws into the timing chain cover, is what keeps tension on the chain.
So it’s been making the loud ticking noise this entire time.....And yet. I took off the oil pan and there were no plastic pieces in there. Should I be concerned?
Have you changed the tensioner? That would be the first step. If your tensioner is bad but the guides are still ok, then the chain will flap around in there making noise. However, the guides don't always break into little pieces. A big piece could have broken off and is sitting somewhere else.
You could use the old chain but I would not recommend it. A new chain is well worth the price when it comes to the peace of mind of having a fresh chain. If you want to save a few dollars, buy the IWIS brand chain. The more expensive BMW brand chain is made by IWIS anyway.
I did it in a couple of evenings when I had free time here and there. Probably about 10 hours or so if I had to guess. But that said I'm very familiar with the E39 and have experience tearing them apart which really speeds things up. If you've never done this before I would expect it to take closer to 15 or 20 hours.
Truly Motors wow. Faster than I thought. The only thing I’m concerned about is getting the timing right using your method. I’ll probably still attempt this very soon.
@@southpau Just make sure you get the cam locking tools. The cams being locked in place is the most important thing. Some people use a block of wood in between the two cams on each head but I wouldn't recommend that especially if you're planning on timing it like I did. You can also mark where the bolts are on the gear before you take it off to make sure it's the same during reassembly. Also, keep in mind if you haven't done anything like this before it could take up to twice as long.
Truly Motors well I haven’t done anything this deep. Water pumps and valve covers is as far as I’ve gotten. But I think I can knock this out. I feel confident about after watching this video 3 times!
Hello sir. I have a bmw 540i from 1997 with the m62b44 engine but my time jump and i dont know how to setting again. Un locking for setting timing por non vanos but its imposible. Plz what ever you can tell me would be great. Thank you so much
If your engine jumped timing, there is a good chance there could be damage to the valve train. That said, what you need is a Bentley Service Manual for the E39. The service manual has detailed instructions with diagrams for everything you can imagine. It also lists the special tools required and their BMW part numbers.
Just stumble across your m62 non Vanos.
I have a 1998 540ia with 151280 miles.
So I am getting ready to do this procedure.
A very good video with stunningly clear information!
Very highly appreciated!
Thank you so very much!
omg finally a video that shows everything. didnt know theres a cap over the tensioner pulley. i stared at mine for 20 min wondering how the hell
One of the few videos on this specific engine- Thanks for posting way back in '17!
Yes the m62 non-tu for once
@@onkelmicke9670 Yup! Far better engine than the VVTs in my opinion, at a small but noticeable low-rpm power deference, but higher top-end horsepower due to a better intake and better flowing intake. The VVT is what causes chain slap when the chain recoils with rapid rpm changes, breaking the guides in the process.
Welp. Guess I’ll order parts and get this going! Fantastic video. If you’re anywhere near Maryland feel free to come by. Beer and ribs on me !
Probably worth doing the oil separator and front crank seal as well plus any o-rings you come across!
Thus is a great video for what its worth. Thank You
This video helped me a bunch thanks for making it.
Good to hear! That's why I make these videos!
@@TrulyMotors does the car run better with a new chain?
ace, need to do timing chain guides on mine! great video
So helpful. Just about to do mine. Awesome video!
Love you bro
Good film quality
My timing chain guides are 330.000km old and komplete. Now all is new.
Thanks for the video. You are supposed to show how it ran for the first time!
Charchiks By the time I got it all back together, I was quickly running out of time. It runs great though!
Truly Motors Nice one. Many thanks for taking your time to compile the video.really appreciate you explaining and actually showing us how it’s done. Can you show us the M62tu (vanos) process as well?
Charchiks Unfortunately with the M62TU VANOS engines, it's often cheaper, faster, and easier just to swap in a junkyard engine. If I do find a situation where it makes sense to fix a VANOS engine. I will certainly make a video.
@@CHARCHIKS A year too late, but there's a good guide for m62tub44 engine here: ruclips.net/video/bGmni3iTkhk/видео.html
Same principle for tub46 and i think 40 aswell.
Great video and instructions. I am in teardown mode now. One question; did you only need to lock the cams on the passenger side? I did not catch if there was a tool for drivers side.
Thanks, there are cam locks on both sides of the engine. Some people use a block of wood in between the cams to keep them from spinning, but I like the cam locks a lot more.
Great video
Why didnt you replace the cam chain & tensionors?
They were in good shape and require a lot more disassembly to replace.
Great video!
Is it just me or on 19:08 you marked the other bottom of the new chain in comparison to the too of the old chain being marked?
You are correct! That is why the subtitles read, "Pay attention and don't mess up like I do here." I caught my mistake but didn't end up filming it.
I own a non Vanos 98 540/6. About to do this job. Any recommendations on what else to FOR SURE replace along the way? Thanks man!
Basically any gasket you take off, the belts, and any hoses that look suspect. Also mind as well change the plugs while you're in there.
Are the marks on the chain actually neccessary seeing as the cams and crank should be locked into position?
The marks are necessary to confirm the gears are the same number of chain links apart. Without the tensioner engaged, it is possible to have it off a link or two on one of the gears.
Is this the same as a nylon timing drive gear replacement? Just bought an 01 740i and the guy says the nylon timing drive gear is stripped
I've never heard of a nylon timing drive gear. The problem with these BMW V8s is the plastic guides. The gears and chains are metal and hold up great as long as the guides don't fail.
Truly Motors, can this timing procedure be done on the M62tu, not using the special tools other than the cam blocks? I have done M52tu head gaskets and timing the vanos with great sucess. It seems that this can be done with marking everything like you did, removing one side , locking the cams in place, removing the chain, guides, installing new guides, chain and locking it back down with out having to change/ re-do the timing.
I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't work. I haven't had a chance to do a timing chain/guides job on the M62TU. Every time I had one with failed or failing chain and guides, I called up the junkyard and so far they've always had a good engine on hand. I usually pick them up for around $1,200. Believe it or not it's a lot less work to just yank out the engine and drop in a replacement. The car in this video is my personal E39 which has been meticulously cared for it's entire life and I didn't want to put a questionable engine in it.
So this timing technique with the pen worked after the car was all back together? The car started man?
Yep, started right up and I've put 20,000 miles since.
@@TrulyMotors Awesome brother that’s great to know!
Hey I know this is an old video but I followed everything that you did in the video and had no trouble with anything until I took the tensioner that came in my eBay timing kit loose and then the one bank rolled slightly clockwise and made the chain slack at the u guide. Is this normal and would the tension return as the tension is installed and gets oil pressure to it or is this something I should be worried about
The most important thing is to make sure the marks from your new timing chain perfectly match old timing chain and the marks you made on the crank and heads, as long as everything lines up and timed the head gear you removed with some tension on the chain, you should be good.
@@TrulyMotors it’s been awhile since I last commented but I really appreciate the help and have been driving the car for the last 3 months timing chain rattle free thank your so much
Would this be the same procedure on a 740iL with Vanos?
It is similar however the VANOS requires timing once everything is back together. You need special, bmw specific tools to do that.
What do I do i haven't marked chain and cams like you did..im about to assemble it any suggestions
Marking the chain, cams, and crank is just a precaution to make absolutely sure that the timing is correct and that the chain isn't off a tooth on one of the gears. As long as the cams were locked in place before you removed the chain and the crank hasn't moved at all, installing the new chain without any marks shouldn't be a problem.
@@TrulyMotors thanks alot..I'm just doubting my torque values.i did 30 90° 60°thinking to go back just afraid i might break the head bolts
@@zeentertainment9659 No problem, I've actually never had a chance to take the heads off of one of these engines. My engine is still rocking the original head gaskets at 210,000 miles. But from my experience with other BMWs, just trust the specs from BMW, they've never done me wrong in the past.
Do you know which way the cam trigger wheel should be fitted.im afriad the reason my car starts and cuts out is because i might have set it the wrong way.ive nothiced there is no write up about it on any forum
I shouldve marked it😃😃😄😁
My car is the same year 08/1998 non-vanos
Did you leave the zip tie when you were putting the timing chain cover? Thanks
The lower cover, yes. You could cut the zip tie once you get the bolts into the cam sprocket but it's nice to have everything out of the way of installing the lower timing cover. Once that's in place, you can cut the zip tie. Just make sure you don't drop it down into the engine!
@@TrulyMotors What if I don't want to cut the Ziptie does it will impact anything? I did the timing and check engine sign is keep coming back.
@@Shas4Ever You definitely need to cut the zip tie before you reassemble the engine. All the zip tie is doing is insuring the previously removed cam gear is timed properly. Once together, the timing chain tensioner, which screws into the timing chain cover, is what keeps tension on the chain.
So it’s been making the loud ticking noise this entire time.....And yet. I took off the oil pan and there were no plastic pieces in there. Should I be concerned?
Have you changed the tensioner? That would be the first step. If your tensioner is bad but the guides are still ok, then the chain will flap around in there making noise. However, the guides don't always break into little pieces. A big piece could have broken off and is sitting somewhere else.
Who did you get your non-vanos timing kit from?
I bought all of the pieces separately from several different stores. The parts I used are listed in the description.
Pb blaster on stickers falls off one piece
Good to know, thanks.
is it possible to use the old chain?
You could use the old chain but I would not recommend it. A new chain is well worth the price when it comes to the peace of mind of having a fresh chain. If you want to save a few dollars, buy the IWIS brand chain. The more expensive BMW brand chain is made by IWIS anyway.
@@TrulyMotors when should i do this job?
Should have replaced the oil separator
About how long did this take you?
I did it in a couple of evenings when I had free time here and there. Probably about 10 hours or so if I had to guess. But that said I'm very familiar with the E39 and have experience tearing them apart which really speeds things up. If you've never done this before I would expect it to take closer to 15 or 20 hours.
Truly Motors wow. Faster than I thought. The only thing I’m concerned about is getting the timing right using your method. I’ll probably still attempt this very soon.
@@southpau Just make sure you get the cam locking tools. The cams being locked in place is the most important thing. Some people use a block of wood in between the two cams on each head but I wouldn't recommend that especially if you're planning on timing it like I did. You can also mark where the bolts are on the gear before you take it off to make sure it's the same during reassembly. Also, keep in mind if you haven't done anything like this before it could take up to twice as long.
Truly Motors well I haven’t done anything this deep. Water pumps and valve covers is as far as I’ve gotten. But I think I can knock this out. I feel confident about after watching this video 3 times!
@@southpau I'm sure you can pull it off if you take your time. The Bentley Manual for the E39 is also a really good resource.
Hello sir! What is that battery driver you have there, is it an impact or regular screw driver?
It's a Dewalt 1/4 inch drive impact. Just the regular $99 deal from Lowe's. It's light, powerful, and has an LED light on it. Definitely recommended.
Hello sir. I have a bmw 540i from 1997 with the m62b44 engine but my time jump and i dont know how to setting again. Un locking for setting timing por non vanos but its imposible. Plz what ever you can tell me would be great. Thank you so much
If your engine jumped timing, there is a good chance there could be damage to the valve train. That said, what you need is a Bentley Service Manual for the E39. The service manual has detailed instructions with diagrams for everything you can imagine. It also lists the special tools required and their BMW part numbers.
@@TrulyMotors so i have to search in Google Bentley manual e39?
@@ennioparkour Yep, that's the one.
@@TrulyMotors thank you sir.