The problem with having consistent stewards every race is it wont take long for at least 1 team to accuse them of bias and that'll be the tone for the season. At least with changing stewards, no driver or team can feel targeted. Also its a huge commitment to ask stewards to travel for the full, ever expanding calendar of races
They do not need to travel they could do it from a control room ad the FIA headoffice or at FOM. Just like the teams have a control room for the strategy. Problem still is that you want stewards from countries that not have drivers on the grid.
They do not need to travel they could do it from a control room ad the FIA headoffice or at FOM. Just like the teams have a control room for the strategy. Problem still is that you want stewards from countries that not have drivers on the grid.
Good thing they dont have to travel, but even if they did have to travall it would be a job, don't take job it if you can't manage, i'm pretty sure someone out there would be willing
Annoys me immensely how Ted bring up Leclerc "saving his weekend" by winning the Grand Prix. Like he was trotting around in P15 until Sunday rolled around. He outqualified and outpaced Sainz to nill since Japan in April of this year. You will never hear this level of scrutiny and ridicule for a British driver.
The crazy thing is Norris will never come close to Charles. I bet even Max knows it, Lando literally can not overtake max if it would save his own life. Charles been getting poles in cars that didnt deserve it. Modern day Jean Alesi. While lando can not even even hold pole with a rocketship. Give Max, Ham, Lec or maybeee even Alanso that mcalren and see what they do. All the haters about Charles just takes about 22. Yea he maybe messed up 3-4 races with himself. But the team lost him that championship not Charles. Kind of like if Lando won the championship this year. Max did not lose it Red Bull did.
This idea that Max is cleverly operating within some "grey area" in the rules is nonsense. He drives well outside of the regulations without reprimand and has been allowed to do so for several years.
@@frederickgent1918 maybe a good driver? But not a World champion!! Any why Norris? Max is a cross between Senna and Shummy, Aggressive and skilled, Norris is neither. 🖕
He overtook off the track, that is never going to be ok, was daft by mclaren to not let max pass then re try, lando was always going to get a penalty for that
41:31 Jesus Christ... Ted Kravitz.. You call yourself a F1-journalist?! Al these regulations and the FIA Driving Standards Guidelines is public information and you can find it within two clicks on the FIA's website..
@@danielharris-g4c Apparently, I can't share the link here. But just search on Google for: FIA Driving Standards Guidelines. It's the first link, a document from 2022. That is the most recent one, and in Article 2, everything is explained about overtaking on the outside.
The entire point is Max can legally go off track to prevent an overtake; quite obviously that’s not a good thing for racing. We obviously all agree to a degree because no one’s arguing to allow overtaking off track … The issue isn’t Max it’s the rules but because Max’s actions have discovered an issue obviously everyone’s discussing his actions 😂
Driving guidelines do not need changing. Tracks need changing!! If it is possible to drive 30 feet off the track and gain an advantage that is the fault of track design. It would be very simple to have a strip of grass or gravel at the edge of the circuit to penalize track limits, problem solved.
@@jim-xt7bo EXACTLY…. this seems to be lost on most spectators. Max is smart he has spotted that you can effectively misuse the regulations - use them NOT in the way intended. He has realized that any time he gets attacked on the outside he just needs to race to the apex WITHOUT any concern for keeping his vehicle under control and able to keep his own car within track limits. He needs to judge it so that he does not brake so late that the other driver can do the switch back on him. But providing he keeps the other driver along side, he can race to the apex, releasing the brake if need be, and then just run both he and the other driver off track That’s obviously not the intent of the regulations/guidelines but as they are, and as they are currently being refereed, this is what it allows Max to do. Personally, I think they should change it to be that the lead driver has to keep it on track and that regardless of who was in front at the apex, if the lead driver maintains position by running off track then he automatically has to give the position to the other driver. Otherwise he’ll just keep running any driver off who attacks on the outside. And BTW, yes, drivers do often run drivers off by squeezing them off while on a curve, but that’s part of the game, and they do have to at least keep the car under control. Right now Max doesn’t even have to do that, thus making it far too easy to negate ANY chance for a driver to overtake on anything other than the inside (which he’ll always cover) or via a boring DRS overtake on the straight.
There's been 3 rule changes already specifically aimed at things Max has done. He's a danger to other drivers and gas ADMITTED crashing into other drivers on PURPOSE.
@riancastermans1607 Bullshit! He's a petulant child who swears and abuses his colleagues. He broke rules by forcing another driver off track and Derek Warwick is ALWAYS lenient on Max as he's a biased steward with a conflict of interest.
I'm not sure I agree with Ted's assertion that Sainz was Ferrari's form driver in Austin. Sainz was very fast and, yes, he overtook Leclerc in the sprint, but Leclerc admitted to over-managing his tyres in the sprint and felt he had a lot more performance in the tyres than he anticipated. I think what we saw is a period Leclerc is going to where he is learning to really optimise his tyre management for the race. He is now one of the top 3 drivers on the grid with race tyre management but he is still perfecting his technique for bringing the tyres in and it can get him into a bit of trouble. Over-managing his tyres was what lost him the Baku race as well. He brought in the tyres too gently and overestimated how easy it would be to overtake Piastri but I don't think we'll be seeing him makes those mistakes much anymore.
In Austin Sainz was arguably better than Leclerc. His first stint had him stuck behind Max with hotter tires and higher degradation. Second stint he was faster than Leclerc reducing the gap to 4.5s in 2nd at one point.
@@virtualwanderer Better drivers don't consistently finish behind the driver they are supposedly better than. Sainz is a great driver but Leclerc always has a little more in his pocket and he did it again at Austin. Read my original post again. The main reason why Sainz got ahead in the sprint was because Leclerc over managed his tyres. Same mistake as Baku. After the Austin sprint he said he realised he could push the tyres harder which is what you saw in the GP. PS. In almost every GP, the driver behind closes the gap in the final stint because the driver ahead has already done the hard part and just needs to manage the rest of the race. Leclerc did the hard part better than Sainz: getting ahead, pulling a gap and managing tyres.
Leclerc was managing fuel and told to not push in the final stint whereas sainz admitted he was pushing quite a lot just to see what laptimes he was capable of @@virtualwanderer
@neilwilliams2883 Sainz had a fuel leakage or some issues in the first stint of the GP which he was managing too. Sainz out qualified Leclarc and as I said was arguably faster. I am only speaking about Austin here and not the whole season.
@@virtualwanderer How do you know it was fuel leakage? He said he could smell fuel. He didn't say fuel was leaking. Also, when the issue occurred, was he in front of or behind Leclerc? And how long did the issue last? 3 laps? 4 laps? 5 laps? Yes, he qualified ahead by a few hundredths and lost his advantage after one corner and was never to be seen again. Come on, bro.
Ted, I think ya great, but for gods sake get to the point..!! I think the wine ‘he may or may not have had’ made him waffle even more than usual..!! 😂😂
Why is it when anything goes against a brit the rules must be changed, I'm starting to get sick of the hate and bias against everybody but merc and McClaren
If max wasn’t involved the driver who didn’t even attempt to make the turn would have got the penalty. Instead of the driver who avoided the collision.
If Max wasn't involved, the situation most likely wouldn't have happened. Max is the only one that'll intentionally smash into another car to win the race; he's done it throughout his F1 career.
@@DavidJohnson-dc8luLando wouldnt have made the corner even if Max had kept it on track. Max first at apex, has the right to claim the corner, Lando committed anyways and went off track. Max got a track limits violation and Lando overtook off track.
@DavidJohnson-dc8lu Even if both got a penalty Lando basically had a race to forget... Max would still have gained points over Lando because he won the sprint. McLaren is comfortably ahead in the constructors. I don't see why this is even controversial, Lando didn't "lose" anything by that penalty
Intresting to hear the stewards gave Lando a 5 second penalty rather than 10 so the other option was 10 sec for Lando and 5 sec penalty for Max for going off track. I would like to see both onboards to see if Lando could make the corner because to me it looked like a game of chicken on the brakes between the 2 of them with the vital detail being who was ahead at the apex. I believe they need to start using temporary gravel traps like used in Austria this year at circuits where they wont allow gravel for the safety of bike riders.
Max knows that under the present guidelines, if he is on the inside all he has to do is get to the apex first, even if the overtaker was well ahead at turn-in and he (Max) could not stay on the road on exit. So he is free in effect to run the overtaker off the road on the exit, even if he he also has to run off the road because he got to the apex at a speed that meant he could not avoid doing so. Lando was right to say that Max was not under control of the car, but he was in complete control and command of the rules. Ant Davidson was right to say that incidents such as this could not happen were it not for all those acres of bitumen runoff. COTA and other circuits would be improved by removing thousands of square metres of surplus bitumen.
Where was Lando’s moving under braking penalty at turn one right after overtaking max outside the track?? No word on that ofcourse… McKaren still crying about bias. Lol.
after every single battle (conveniently called 'controversy' to spice the title and clickbait) where the 'winner' is not Sky's favorite (a british driver typically) there is this question: omg should we change the rules /running around with hands in the air and crazy eyes/. Because if it was Hamilton doing what Max does, ya'll would be smearing yourselves allover the place how great he is.
Sky Sports' coverage of this particular incident was quite fair to be honest, same of F1TV, who essentially laid the blame at McLaren for taking the risk of keeping the position.
Question Matt - should there be a line painted on the track that indicates the extended line of the corner apex? Austin T1 is a large-spaced acute turn and the apex is unsighted to the drivers for a large portion of time. It would be beneficial to drivers, stewards, teams, and spectators if the apex was clearly indicated so that disagreements of where a car is alongside/ahead, or not, would be clearly seen. McLaren obviously had a different view of where the apex was compared to the stewards! A painted line extended from the inside apex curb to the outside edge (and beyond) would help clear this up and make for transparency and consistency imo! ALSO, when will RedBull see that their #2 driver is costing them constructor championship positions and that essentially they are gaining points only from one driver!???
Have you noticed how these pundits only ask for changes when the British drivers end up not getting their way? McLaren screwed up, deal with it! Btw 2nd and 3r prizes sucked, did the yanks run out of money ?
37:35 We had someone that did that named Michael Masi.. Just look him up, he provided explanations when it was needed. Then he made a decision that didn't sit well in England, and now that guy is in Australia watching supercars
He's got an NDA on him literally banning him from discussing 2021. In 2021 the stewards agreed with a CLEAR error by Masi. The steward was Derek Warwick (a guy with a HONDA DEALERSHIP), Derek favours Max at every opportunity. Derek was steward at COTA.
So… what’s wrong with the rule book all of a sudden, now that a British driver gets a text book penalty? 🤷🏻♂️ Max outsmarted Lando while defending. That’s all to it. Lando & his engineer should have reacted differently (smarter) as he was waaaay quicker than Max at the end of the race. So… let’s all move on, shall we? 👍🏻
@@bsrbck😂 this podcast literally explained in detail why the penalty was given. The rules were followed exactly. To the letter! It was even explained that the drivers have a hand in writing the rules and every team agrees to them. If you can’t understand the rules, that’s not the fault of those who can… There’s a reason Lando blames his team for this and not Verstappen… because he knows the rules and he knows his team should have told him to fall in behind.
Penalty aside...because whatever that's been beaten to death. The problem is you shouldn't be able to manipulate the rules to get away with something. That's not good sportsmanship. Max gets to go wide all the time and push someone of track knowing if the one being pushed gets ahead it's illegal and if they don't they loose momentum. It's balls, shouldn't be allowed at all. I don't care if it's max or anyone else. Max just happens to be the one that is EXTREMELY well known for it going back years.
The guidelines for this podcast need a change... a start would be to keep the showbiz anecdotes restricted to three minutes at the start of the episode.
Every time Ferrari win everyone says the back nd they go to a different track nd they are slow again I still think McLaren are still the team nd car to beat u can’t base Ferrari on winning the constructors championship from 1 race
Really need to rein Ted in on these podcasts, he has a tendency to go into "Notebook Mode" where he just waffles on and on as if he's playing for time. 12 minutes in and there's been zero actual discussion about F1 or the races...
@@bbo506 how could he see the apex to know where he was when Max is stragetically pushing him wide, as he does, but even to the point of leaving the track himself by outbraking himself?
DRS created 30kph overspeed for Lando. He then HAS to brake earlier/harder/longer than Max, so there's always going to be a correction as Max can brake 30m later. Max hits the apex and runs probably 30cm wide, even if Max manages to stay tighter by that 30cm, there's still no room for Lando. F1 drivers have been running guys out of track on the outside since forever, it's just a daft place to leave your car. Everyone knows you can't stick a move completely off the track too, imagine if they allowed it once, turn 4 at Brazil would end up being used like an oval. But a lot of this still comes back to DRS making guys sitting ducks. There have been examples where Hulk, Alonso, and Max have exploited the 'dark arts' to try and defend, it's really the only option at the moment. In the old version of F1, attackers picked up a tow, pulled out the slip stream relatively early on the straight, then slowly crept up over the straight, but usually did not end up going 30kph faster by the end of it. More often both drivers would be similar speeds going into the braking zone, leading to similar braking behaviours. But, there's only 1 year left with this system, then it will switch to the MOM power boost system (which will be available for an entire lap after the detection zone) with active aero available all the time. There's going to probably be some wild gear ratios meddled with to support the top speed changes. The MGU-K will offer an energy boost up to 337kph for the attacker, while the defending car drops to zero boost energy for 290-355kph. There could be some strange speed differentials in odd places. I doubt any of the cars will be able to hold enough energy to deploy that boost for an entire lap. So the defenders will probably start to experiment with ways of hindering harvesting (which won't be the same system as now either) and ways of tricking the attackers into needlessly draining their batteries, it may end up taking a lap or two to fully recharge. You could end up with an MOM train with some drivers on full harvesting mode and others emptying the tank, all bundling into a hairpin, with a sitting duck at the front... All of them will need necessarily different braking points and distances. So, the rules of engagement need to model the changes effectively to make the 2025 changes future proof. Guys like Max, Alonso, and Hulk will undoubtedly figure out some cute tricks with harvesting and deploying power that catch others out, which may create some wild speed differentials in odd parts of the tracks. They'll end up having to redefine everything all over again if they write the 2025 updates purely according to issues that seem partially driven by this DRS formula. Brown and Stella should start working on a Kleenex sponsorship now, they'll make bank over the coming years.
Looking at how Lando already went wide with steering in full lock and only relaxed the angle a little to get wider to avoid Max, one may wonder if he had been able to make the turn anyway with the speed he carried into the turn. The rules aren't perfect, but the teams agreed upon this, and know what situations it can evoke. Had Lando given back the position, Max might have gotten a penalty for dangerous driving instead, or Lando could have made a clean pass. He was gaining each round, so next round or so he probably could have been ahead at the apex and claim the corner beyond doubt
No its more of the rules allowing a driver to not brake for a corner. Thus getting aheead at the apex (Because he didnt brake to make the corner) Then when he goes wide also forcing the driver who otherwise would get a easy overtake on him if he made the corner go wide and off track!. If he braked harder to make the corner lando would be ahead at apex and he would get the penalty!
@@Cwg.Well said that man finally someone who gets it - can you work for FIA and change these stupid rules please 🙏 - so sick of seeing this year in year out - defend by all means but do it within track limits they need to sort this out it kills what is otherwise some fantastic racing.
After hearing Ted's cowboy story...Does this mean that Lewis is going to adopt Max? Where they will ride off into the sunset and live on a ranch together? 😆
Just when you thought it couldn't get any lower, the British media have dropped the plank to comedic levels 😁 Any racer will tell you that there was absolutely zero controversy.
I don’t know what the various Academies are teaching the drivers but it seems to me that most pilots lack elementary knowledge about racing. Things like track limits and turn layout seem confusing even for F1 drivers. Otherwise, there are 2 very well built and sufficient rules for passing there. First the one Max spoke recently : Stay on the track. The second says :first arrived first served - another well-established custom in the civilized world - meaning that first arrived car can choose ANY path prefers in that turns, the second must break and allow passage for the first. This is the same from karting to Fn, to F1. Sadly, all neophytes and seemingly many Formula drivers believe the turn start at the apex. WRONG! The turn starts where the white lines start to curve so there is the line that judges who is entitled to take which-ever path he considers suitable. The other(s) overlapping (even at 99%) but BEHIND must allow him to do so. This part is very easy to policy, stewards have to watch just a few seconds and stop as in a photo-finish. Speed of arrival is irrelevant. The car on the inside has a shorter path to the apex so, if not slowed, it will arrive there first cutting the path of the entitled car, pushing it out or provoking a collision. In this case, hard penalties should apply - as 10 seconds for pushing out-track, to last starter in next race if collision. Driver penalty points added. And “that’s all folks” 😜
I would like to see going off track limits create a 0% throttle blip/input on DRS zones This would create a reason for drivers to treat track limits more like monaco walls
crying uk reporters wanting every rule changed because of max shows me why i like max and alonso. if someone beats a uk driver every uk reporter starts crying. why not just give max a 10 seconds penalty for just starting the race. and when max makes teddy cry give max a race ban.
Max is an amazing driver, his driving style has always been audacious driving pass attempts late braking down the inside. Unfortunately the rules have developed to assist this style. Overtaking on the inside is the only way….
@@Lex-l4j ironic considering he's obviously sitting there working out his 'bits' - bull, horns, cowboys, bull horns, take the horns, the prancing ponies, are ponies a bull? or is a bull a pony? grab the pony's bulls
So the rules need to change now? Sky sports and British fans didn't call for this in 2021 when Max was forced to give back his position at Bahrain and Saudi for gaining an advantage off track even though in both cases he was ahead at the apex
Ever thought for a second that maybe it's not the rules, guidelines whatever they are that maybe the race tracks themselves are the cause of so many issues?
Nando is a lovely kid, but too sweet. You can change the rules like forever, but Lando will never have the mentality of a winner. I would love to see him as second driver next to Max.
So British media complains about inconsistent interpretation by the stewards when it goes against Hamilton. Now British media complains when the rules are implemented rigorously as per how they are written when it goes against Lando? Seriously guys, swap the cars, and you don't care if Max got pinged. Lando isn't good enough, Max is a fully rounded champion to compete with Schuey for GOAT !
To be clear, Ted is my favorite commentator(can't stand TommoF1-just not for me), love the podcasts, and SkyF1 in general. But it would be a non-conversation for SkyF1 if it was the other way around. Its really annoying to hear Lando & Co complain that the rules should not be applied "by the letter of the law" when all we heard during the Massey era was whinging every single race about why the rules are not being applied by the "letter of the law". I feel like choking some who got exactly what they wish for!
finally an answer on the question whether Lando was going to get a penalty anyway because he had maximum track limit warnings. OMG i have had to watch so much content to find this out WTF. SMH
What is Ted doing in this podcast? He's looking at his phone, taking ages to get to the point, and sighing loudly in the mic. The other donnie won't shut up about 2025 being excited. Poor podcast.
Kravitz: ...Texas... bull... horns... cowboys... bull horns... take the horns... the prancing ponies... bucking broncos... are broncos ponies? prancing bull broncos... grab the pony's bulls... oh let me talk for twelve minutes about meeting Sting and the fact that he is in shape - fascinating - Another cocktail Mr Kravitz?
If you're ahead at the apex because you're braking so late that you go out of the track, it shouldn't count. Because then nothing prevents other drivers to go outside the track, as long as you push another driver out, to avoid being overtaken. I think the stewards are very afraid to affect the championship, but that shouldn't be a consideration at all.
Yep and if that Ferrari is title contender and both Lewis and Charles have chance to win it they will be making Charles as bad as they was making Nico rosberg before when he was Lewis teamate especially if both Was have some controversial incidents
Kravitz really takes about 10 min to get to a point doesnt he.
yeh wtf does he waffle on about 🙄
He's a professional rambler, I love him
He's old, not like these lame gen z panzee's that flooded f1 after dts .
The problem with having consistent stewards every race is it wont take long for at least 1 team to accuse them of bias and that'll be the tone for the season. At least with changing stewards, no driver or team can feel targeted. Also its a huge commitment to ask stewards to travel for the full, ever expanding calendar of races
They do not need to travel they could do it from a control room ad the FIA headoffice or at FOM. Just like the teams have a control room for the strategy.
Problem still is that you want stewards from countries that not have drivers on the grid.
They do not need to travel they could do it from a control room ad the FIA headoffice or at FOM. Just like the teams have a control room for the strategy.
Problem still is that you want stewards from countries that not have drivers on the grid.
Good thing they dont have to travel, but even if they did have to travall it would be a job, don't take job it if you can't manage, i'm pretty sure someone out there would be willing
@@ramarkble101 AMERICA
Annoys me immensely how Ted bring up Leclerc "saving his weekend" by winning the Grand Prix. Like he was trotting around in P15 until Sunday rolled around. He outqualified and outpaced Sainz to nill since Japan in April of this year. You will never hear this level of scrutiny and ridicule for a British driver.
LOL
The crazy thing is Norris will never come close to Charles. I bet even Max knows it, Lando literally can not overtake max if it would save his own life. Charles been getting poles in cars that didnt deserve it. Modern day Jean Alesi. While lando can not even even hold pole with a rocketship. Give Max, Ham, Lec or maybeee even Alanso that mcalren and see what they do. All the haters about Charles just takes about 22. Yea he maybe messed up 3-4 races with himself. But the team lost him that championship not Charles. Kind of like if Lando won the championship this year. Max did not lose it Red Bull did.
The bias in the Formula 1 live commentary was rather obvious. Please be more vanilla.
you should ask Max to join the conversation he can explain the rules as they are.
This idea that Max is cleverly operating within some "grey area" in the rules is nonsense. He drives well outside of the regulations without reprimand and has been allowed to do so for several years.
@@sjm3265At least we know now that you are not an expert on the regulations😂😂
8:57 skip to actual f1 race discussions
wanted to post this but you're a true pioneer
no he goes back to Sting being 'thin' amazing content
Thanks. And you are brave for listening to sky BS analysis. Only MB is a sensible guy! Rest are soap opera stars
What a bore this podcast was...WOW
Very much thank you Sr.
If it had been Max that got 5sec penalty? You wouldn't be having this conversation. Why is Sky sports so anti Max?
💯 agree
Agree 💯 they still crying over Lewis 2021 😂😅😂😅😂
Because they are board with Max winning regularly , now they need a new hero , Lando is the one , good driver i might add. 😂😂😂
@@frederickgent1918 maybe a good driver? But not a World champion!! Any why Norris?
Max is a cross between Senna and Shummy, Aggressive and skilled, Norris is neither. 🖕
Because Red Bull cheat, Max is an arrogant man-child who swears at his colleagues.
He overtook off the track, that is never going to be ok, was daft by mclaren to not let max pass then re try, lando was always going to get a penalty for that
Propping up Carlos when he is 60 points behind Leclerc. 😂
LOL
"fired the wrong driver" it was never even a competition
41:31
Jesus Christ... Ted Kravitz.. You call yourself a F1-journalist?! Al these regulations and the FIA Driving Standards Guidelines is public information and you can find it within two clicks on the FIA's website..
Hi, could you reply with a link to the Driving Standards Guidelines please?
@@danielharris-g4c Apparently, I can't share the link here. But just search on Google for: FIA Driving Standards Guidelines. It's the first link, a document from 2022. That is the most recent one, and in Article 2, everything is explained about overtaking on the outside.
Share the link please?
F1 journalists are not gods, just thought you should know
@@smidsy1979 You dont have to be a god to download a PDF
Just imagine if the position is swapped then there would be no diacussions at all. Amazing how every effort is made to make Max as the antagonist.
Constant ain't it
@@go-explorelol
Mark my word if it was the other way around and Max end up with 5s penalty and drop to fourth they will still make Max as he is the antagonist lol
Absolutely!
The entire point is Max can legally go off track to prevent an overtake; quite obviously that’s not a good thing for racing. We obviously all agree to a degree because no one’s arguing to allow overtaking off track … The issue isn’t Max it’s the rules but because Max’s actions have discovered an issue obviously everyone’s discussing his actions 😂
Only controversy is sky creating controversy
Yeah, what else is new?? 🤣
And McKaren
Driving guidelines do not need changing. Tracks need changing!! If it is possible to drive 30 feet off the track and gain an advantage that is the fault of track design. It would be very simple to have a strip of grass or gravel at the edge of the circuit to penalize track limits, problem solved.
But the most tracks have motorbike races to so having gravel traps or grass makes it more dangerous for them
Then drivers would get beached and need a safety car for 5 laps
This wouldn't stop max from racing to an apex - missing the corner - driving the attacker off track (and now into the gravel)
@@jim-xt7bo EXACTLY…. this seems to be lost on most spectators.
Max is smart he has spotted that you can effectively misuse the regulations - use them NOT in the way intended.
He has realized that any time he gets attacked on the outside he just needs to race to the apex WITHOUT any concern for keeping his vehicle under control and able to keep his own car within track limits.
He needs to judge it so that he does not brake so late that the other driver can do the switch back on him. But providing he keeps the other driver along side, he can race to the apex, releasing the brake if need be, and then just run both he and the other driver off track
That’s obviously not the intent of the regulations/guidelines but as they are, and as they are currently being refereed, this is what it allows Max to do.
Personally, I think they should change it to be that the lead driver has to keep it on track and that regardless of who was in front at the apex, if the lead driver maintains position by running off track then he automatically has to give the position to the other driver.
Otherwise he’ll just keep running any driver off who attacks on the outside.
And BTW, yes, drivers do often run drivers off by squeezing them off while on a curve, but that’s part of the game, and they do have to at least keep the car under control.
Right now Max doesn’t even have to do that, thus making it far too easy to negate ANY chance for a driver to overtake on anything other than the inside (which he’ll always cover) or via a boring DRS overtake on the straight.
Cheaper to change the rules, Mr. Barry Mccockiner.
Is Kravitz drunk? seriously asking.
That rodeo talk got old real quick.
Drunk about being in awe of himself.
Glue!
He’s up himself
He's always been full of himself. Doesn't need to be drunk. Insufferable human.
Sky anti Max brigade, out in full force. We've seen other drivers do what Max did and not a squeak!
I actually love that Max gets under their skin without doing anything at all lol.
No, you haven't
Same here 🤣 Whar are they gonna pout over this weekend. Popcorn-good!
Sky Sports calling for a rule change every time a scenario doesn't favor a british driver. Amazing
There's been 3 rule changes already specifically aimed at things Max has done. He's a danger to other drivers and gas ADMITTED crashing into other drivers on PURPOSE.
@@101wildgoose Max is too intelligent. HE GOES AS FAR AS THE RULES GO.
@riancastermans1607 Bullshit! He's a petulant child who swears and abuses his colleagues. He broke rules by forcing another driver off track and Derek Warwick is ALWAYS lenient on Max as he's a biased steward with a conflict of interest.
@@101wildgooseforcing drivers off the track is a common occurrence and isn't unique to max. It's funny how angry people get over max 😂
@@virtualwanderer He had no intention of making the corner. He's a cheat.
I'm not sure I agree with Ted's assertion that Sainz was Ferrari's form driver in Austin.
Sainz was very fast and, yes, he overtook Leclerc in the sprint, but Leclerc admitted to over-managing his tyres in the sprint and felt he had a lot more performance in the tyres than he anticipated.
I think what we saw is a period Leclerc is going to where he is learning to really optimise his tyre management for the race.
He is now one of the top 3 drivers on the grid with race tyre management but he is still perfecting his technique for bringing the tyres in and it can get him into a bit of trouble.
Over-managing his tyres was what lost him the Baku race as well. He brought in the tyres too gently and overestimated how easy it would be to overtake Piastri but I don't think we'll be seeing him makes those mistakes much anymore.
In Austin Sainz was arguably better than Leclerc. His first stint had him stuck behind Max with hotter tires and higher degradation. Second stint he was faster than Leclerc reducing the gap to 4.5s in 2nd at one point.
@@virtualwanderer Better drivers don't consistently finish behind the driver they are supposedly better than.
Sainz is a great driver but Leclerc always has a little more in his pocket and he did it again at Austin.
Read my original post again.
The main reason why Sainz got ahead in the sprint was because Leclerc over managed his tyres. Same mistake as Baku.
After the Austin sprint he said he realised he could push the tyres harder which is what you saw in the GP.
PS. In almost every GP, the driver behind closes the gap in the final stint because the driver ahead has already done the hard part and just needs to manage the rest of the race.
Leclerc did the hard part better than Sainz: getting ahead, pulling a gap and managing tyres.
Leclerc was managing fuel and told to not push in the final stint whereas sainz admitted he was pushing quite a lot just to see what laptimes he was capable of @@virtualwanderer
@neilwilliams2883 Sainz had a fuel leakage or some issues in the first stint of the GP which he was managing too. Sainz out qualified Leclarc and as I said was arguably faster. I am only speaking about Austin here and not the whole season.
@@virtualwanderer How do you know it was fuel leakage?
He said he could smell fuel. He didn't say fuel was leaking.
Also, when the issue occurred, was he in front of or behind Leclerc?
And how long did the issue last? 3 laps? 4 laps? 5 laps?
Yes, he qualified ahead by a few hundredths and lost his advantage after one corner and was never to be seen again.
Come on, bro.
Lol this is the most Ted Kravitz ocd podcast ever..not complaining, one heck of a bloke
It’s called alcohol
I went from defending him to never listening to Sky broadcast because of him. He's a detriment to the coverage now
@@sz5876 And yet…here you are? Watching not a broadcast…but a podcast that has his on for 1hr lol?
@@sz5876 Agree what is he thinking? It's like he's developing Alzheimers or something. It's becoming unprofessional now.
Why they are talking about Max so much? Ferrari Mercedes Mc Laren are such a close match…
Because Max lives rent free in their heads and it's absolutely hilarious he gets under their skin for ....nothing lol.
Our driver can't win. Change the rules!!😂😂
They did that for Max to be fair
do sky news have any shame left, bro ? they can hate Max but can't take his talent away.
2021 comes to mind.
@@bl0ated_ they did it against max i think youll find to protect lewis, and he still couldnt win
@@bl0ated_🤡🤣🙎♂️
Ted, I think ya great, but for gods sake get to the point..!! I think the wine ‘he may or may not have had’ made him waffle even more than usual..!! 😂😂
Why is it when anything goes against a brit the rules must be changed, I'm starting to get sick of the hate and bias against everybody but merc and McClaren
And they truly think they're unbiased lol sometimes you need to listen to those around you because you're blinded and don't realize it.
Nothing to do with Brits, stop the boring racism
Cheers for having me! 🫡
Ie does the car need its bib tweaking so as not to eat up its tyres?
@@TommoMcCluskey so cool to see you breaking into mainstream f1 media - well deserved mate 👊👊👊
If max wasn't involved this wouldn't even be this big a deal
If max wasn’t involved the driver who didn’t even attempt to make the turn would have got the penalty. Instead of the driver who avoided the collision.
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It would.
If Max wasn't involved, there would be no discussion because no other driver pushes the gray area of the rules like this.
If Max wasn't involved, the situation most likely wouldn't have happened. Max is the only one that'll intentionally smash into another car to win the race; he's done it throughout his F1 career.
There was no confusion, Lando overtook OFF TRACK simple.
Max pushed Lando off track, because he went off track by losing control over his car, that is a penalty within itself.
@@DavidJohnson-dc8luIf you don’t know the rules you better shut up mate
@@DavidJohnson-dc8luLando wouldnt have made the corner even if Max had kept it on track.
Max first at apex, has the right to claim the corner, Lando committed anyways and went off track. Max got a track limits violation and Lando overtook off track.
@DavidJohnson-dc8lu Even if both got a penalty Lando basically had a race to forget... Max would still have gained points over Lando because he won the sprint. McLaren is comfortably ahead in the constructors. I don't see why this is even controversial, Lando didn't "lose" anything by that penalty
Intresting to hear the stewards gave Lando a 5 second penalty rather than 10 so the other option was 10 sec for Lando and 5 sec penalty for Max for going off track.
I would like to see both onboards to see if Lando could make the corner because to me it looked like a game of chicken on the brakes between the 2 of them with the vital detail being who was ahead at the apex.
I believe they need to start using temporary gravel traps like used in Austria this year at circuits where they wont allow gravel for the safety of bike riders.
Gave up after 13 minutes. Supposed to be F1 podcast!!
Max knows that under the present guidelines, if he is on the inside all he has to do is get to the apex first, even if the overtaker was well ahead at turn-in and he (Max) could not stay on the road on exit. So he is free in effect to run the overtaker off the road on the exit, even if he he also has to run off the road because he got to the apex at a speed that meant he could not avoid doing so. Lando was right to say that Max was not under control of the car, but he was in complete control and command of the rules. Ant Davidson was right to say that incidents such as this could not happen were it not for all those acres of bitumen runoff. COTA and other circuits would be improved by removing thousands of square metres of surplus bitumen.
Where was Lando’s moving under braking penalty at turn one right after overtaking max outside the track?? No word on that ofcourse… McKaren still crying about bias. Lol.
13:40 Best part: Ted's Sad British Bias Face is just priceless! 😂😂 Im gonna make wallpaper of it. LMAO
Some weeks you get Nicco… other weeks you these two muppets that love listening to their own voice. Get to your points guys.
Three absolute lightweights presenting a podcast…what could go wrong 🤦♂
after every single battle (conveniently called 'controversy' to spice the title and clickbait) where the 'winner' is not Sky's favorite (a british driver typically) there is this question: omg should we change the rules /running around with hands in the air and crazy eyes/. Because if it was Hamilton doing what Max does, ya'll would be smearing yourselves allover the place how great he is.
Sky Sports' coverage of this particular incident was quite fair to be honest, same of F1TV, who essentially laid the blame at McLaren for taking the risk of keeping the position.
Yeah, I agree ! I hear them saying: That's what great drivers do!
@@Selendekilol
Why are there so many bots upvoting comments like these?
lol clown wake up :D
So hard to talk about Verstappen. Lets talk about Sting.
That was painful. Ted needs a serious filter.
If Lando didnt overtake off the track, Max 100% would've got a pen for forcing him off. His own fault
Question Matt - should there be a line painted on the track that indicates the extended line of the corner apex? Austin T1 is a large-spaced acute turn and the apex is unsighted to the drivers for a large portion of time. It would be beneficial to drivers, stewards, teams, and spectators if the apex was clearly indicated so that disagreements of where a car is alongside/ahead, or not, would be clearly seen. McLaren obviously had a different view of where the apex was compared to the stewards! A painted line extended from the inside apex curb to the outside edge (and beyond) would help clear this up and make for transparency and consistency imo!
ALSO, when will RedBull see that their #2 driver is costing them constructor championship positions and that essentially they are gaining points only from one driver!???
So this is supposed to an F1 Podcast. If I wanted to hear about Sting , I would listen to a podcast on musicians...
I like Tommo's content and was interested in watching this but come on Sky, this episode is a trainwreck
Have you noticed how these pundits only ask for changes when the British drivers end up not getting their way? McLaren screwed up, deal with it!
Btw 2nd and 3r prizes sucked, did the yanks run out of money ?
12:50 skip sting talk
Thank you.
It is absolutely mad that you have to skip to 13 mins in to start the podcast! But the rambling was unfortunately persistent all the way through.
37:35 We had someone that did that named Michael Masi.. Just look him up, he provided explanations when it was needed. Then he made a decision that didn't sit well in England, and now that guy is in Australia watching supercars
He never made an esplanation about Brazil, couldn't either answer the drivers!
He's got an NDA on him literally banning him from discussing 2021.
In 2021 the stewards agreed with a CLEAR error by Masi. The steward was Derek Warwick (a guy with a HONDA DEALERSHIP), Derek favours Max at every opportunity. Derek was steward at COTA.
So… what’s wrong with the rule book all of a sudden, now that a British driver gets a text book penalty? 🤷🏻♂️
Max outsmarted Lando while defending. That’s all to it. Lando & his engineer should have reacted differently (smarter) as he was waaaay quicker than Max at the end of the race.
So… let’s all move on, shall we? 👍🏻
@@bsrbck😂 this podcast literally explained in detail why the penalty was given. The rules were followed exactly. To the letter! It was even explained that the drivers have a hand in writing the rules and every team agrees to them. If you can’t understand the rules, that’s not the fault of those who can…
There’s a reason Lando blames his team for this and not Verstappen… because he knows the rules and he knows his team should have told him to fall in behind.
@@nilsthart4154 get lost
Penalty aside...because whatever that's been beaten to death. The problem is you shouldn't be able to manipulate the rules to get away with something. That's not good sportsmanship. Max gets to go wide all the time and push someone of track knowing if the one being pushed gets ahead it's illegal and if they don't they loose momentum. It's balls, shouldn't be allowed at all. I don't care if it's max or anyone else. Max just happens to be the one that is EXTREMELY well known for it going back years.
get lost
Remember Austria when Lando was doing the same thing to Max? No ask to change the rules then
Who's asking? The British media. Strange coincidence haha
I usually look forward to the sky f1 podcast but this 1 was very poor.
Great race in Austin USA and can't wait for the next race in Mexico 🎉🎉🎉🎉🏆🏆🏆🇲🇽🇲🇽
The guidelines for this podcast need a change... a start would be to keep the showbiz anecdotes restricted to three minutes at the start of the episode.
Nah just boot Ted.
Every time Ferrari win everyone says the back nd they go to a different track nd they are slow again I still think McLaren are still the team nd car to beat u can’t base Ferrari on winning the constructors championship from 1 race
A new "Maxrule" is on the way....😂😂
Really need to rein Ted in on these podcasts, he has a tendency to go into "Notebook Mode" where he just waffles on and on as if he's playing for time. 12 minutes in and there's been zero actual discussion about F1 or the races...
Of course. British failed to get what he wanted. Lets change the rules.
Always the victims. 😂
@@Akash_Tyagi_93 not sure Ham got what he wanted in 2021 mate!
NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST EXPLOIT THE POORLY WRITTEN RULES!
THINK OF THE POOR BRITISH DRIVERS!
Prediction- Lando will get more forceful to counter Max and they will connect - leaving door open for Ferrari
Why is Kravitz still talking about Sting??? He already wasted 9 minutes at the start!
Some of us enjoy Ted’s tangents that’s why he’s so loved
@@TalentedToby Loved by who? Most of the comments are annoyed with him.
@@TalentedToby well there are all sorts of masochists in the world, not going to deny..
@@TalentedToby I'm not sure who you're talking about and I'm being dead serious.
@@TalentedToby That's not a great strategy when most of your viewers are not going to feel that way…
The penalty of Lando was completely justified. He was not ahead at the apex en did not own this corner.
@@bbo506 how could he see the apex to know where he was when Max is stragetically pushing him wide, as he does, but even to the point of leaving the track himself by outbraking himself?
DRS created 30kph overspeed for Lando. He then HAS to brake earlier/harder/longer than Max, so there's always going to be a correction as Max can brake 30m later. Max hits the apex and runs probably 30cm wide, even if Max manages to stay tighter by that 30cm, there's still no room for Lando. F1 drivers have been running guys out of track on the outside since forever, it's just a daft place to leave your car. Everyone knows you can't stick a move completely off the track too, imagine if they allowed it once, turn 4 at Brazil would end up being used like an oval. But a lot of this still comes back to DRS making guys sitting ducks. There have been examples where Hulk, Alonso, and Max have exploited the 'dark arts' to try and defend, it's really the only option at the moment. In the old version of F1, attackers picked up a tow, pulled out the slip stream relatively early on the straight, then slowly crept up over the straight, but usually did not end up going 30kph faster by the end of it. More often both drivers would be similar speeds going into the braking zone, leading to similar braking behaviours.
But, there's only 1 year left with this system, then it will switch to the MOM power boost system (which will be available for an entire lap after the detection zone) with active aero available all the time. There's going to probably be some wild gear ratios meddled with to support the top speed changes. The MGU-K will offer an energy boost up to 337kph for the attacker, while the defending car drops to zero boost energy for 290-355kph. There could be some strange speed differentials in odd places. I doubt any of the cars will be able to hold enough energy to deploy that boost for an entire lap. So the defenders will probably start to experiment with ways of hindering harvesting (which won't be the same system as now either) and ways of tricking the attackers into needlessly draining their batteries, it may end up taking a lap or two to fully recharge. You could end up with an MOM train with some drivers on full harvesting mode and others emptying the tank, all bundling into a hairpin, with a sitting duck at the front... All of them will need necessarily different braking points and distances.
So, the rules of engagement need to model the changes effectively to make the 2025 changes future proof. Guys like Max, Alonso, and Hulk will undoubtedly figure out some cute tricks with harvesting and deploying power that catch others out, which may create some wild speed differentials in odd parts of the tracks. They'll end up having to redefine everything all over again if they write the 2025 updates purely according to issues that seem partially driven by this DRS formula. Brown and Stella should start working on a Kleenex sponsorship now, they'll make bank over the coming years.
Ted, you can do much better than this ! Distracted most of the time.
Looking at how Lando already went wide with steering in full lock and only relaxed the angle a little to get wider to avoid Max, one may wonder if he had been able to make the turn anyway with the speed he carried into the turn. The rules aren't perfect, but the teams agreed upon this, and know what situations it can evoke. Had Lando given back the position, Max might have gotten a penalty for dangerous driving instead, or Lando could have made a clean pass. He was gaining each round, so next round or so he probably could have been ahead at the apex and claim the corner beyond doubt
Yup! His team should have told him to let Max pass and get him in a few laps because he was much faster after Max tires started to go.
Wtf is ted on??
Agreed he's a total energy vampire. What a fool.
Max was brilliant. Simple. Ppl hate that .
No, people hate that mediocre rule breaking is being touted as brilliance.
Where was all this fuss when it happened with Charles a few years back? gotta laugh at sky sports bias all weekend
@@bsrbckwhat about keep crying like you do since AD21 and forever
Change the rules and Max will stil win. This is not about rules this is about the new Hamilton (Lando) and he did not win and will not be the new WDC.
No its more of the rules allowing a driver to not brake for a corner. Thus getting aheead at the apex (Because he didnt brake to make the corner) Then when he goes wide also forcing the driver who otherwise would get a easy overtake on him if he made the corner go wide and off track!. If he braked harder to make the corner lando would be ahead at apex and he would get the penalty!
You never seen F1 before kid!
@@Cwg.Well said that man finally someone who gets it - can you work for FIA and change these stupid rules please 🙏 - so sick of seeing this year in year out - defend by all means but do it within track limits they need to sort this out it kills what is otherwise some fantastic racing.
@@HUMC5and you still crying since AD21 and forever on evry comment section about Max 😂
@@MohamedLamkhizni get lost kid
After hearing Ted's cowboy story...Does this mean that Lewis is going to adopt Max? Where they will ride off into the sunset and live on a ranch together? 😆
British f1 media cabal
Why should only British people have an issue with a driver cheating? Are the Brits the only nation capable of telling right from wrong?
Ted basically makes this unwatchable. It's so frustrating listening to his "thinking out loud", stream of nonsense. He's awful in this format.
Agreed they bring a guest on and don't even let him speak for the first 15 mins! Absolutely insane. Just Ted rambling with Matt enabling him.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any lower, the British media have dropped the plank to comedic levels 😁 Any racer will tell you that there was absolutely zero controversy.
Bloody hell, get on with it Ted! 😂
Ted seems to be a bit all over the place
I don’t know what the various Academies are teaching the drivers but it seems to me that most pilots lack elementary knowledge about racing. Things like track limits and turn layout seem confusing even for F1 drivers.
Otherwise, there are 2 very well built and sufficient rules for passing there.
First the one Max spoke recently : Stay on the track.
The second says :first arrived first served - another well-established custom in the civilized world - meaning that first arrived car can choose ANY path prefers in that turns, the second must break and allow passage for the first. This is the same from karting to Fn, to F1. Sadly, all neophytes and seemingly many Formula drivers believe the turn start at the apex. WRONG! The turn starts where the white lines start to curve so there is the line that judges who is entitled to take which-ever path he considers suitable. The other(s) overlapping (even at 99%) but BEHIND must allow him to do so.
This part is very easy to policy, stewards have to watch just a few seconds and stop as in a photo-finish. Speed of arrival is irrelevant. The car on the inside has a shorter path to the apex so, if not slowed, it will arrive there first cutting the path of the entitled car, pushing it out or provoking a collision.
In this case, hard penalties should apply - as 10 seconds for pushing out-track, to last starter in next race if collision. Driver penalty points added. And “that’s all folks” 😜
I would like to see going off track limits create a 0% throttle blip/input on DRS zones
This would create a reason for drivers to treat track limits more like monaco walls
crying uk reporters wanting every rule changed because of max shows me why i like max and alonso.
if someone beats a uk driver every uk reporter starts crying.
why not just give max a 10 seconds penalty for just starting the race.
and when max makes teddy cry give max a race ban.
The desperation to relate f1 to a rodeo in this podcast is going to give me an aneurism 😅
Found RPMs backup account ✌️
Ted is too often insufferable.
Matt Baker is a total walkover. Come on take control of the podcast and limit Ted's rambling. It's exhausting which is not great for a podcast.
Max is an amazing driver, his driving style has always been audacious driving pass attempts late braking down the inside. Unfortunately the rules have developed to assist this style. Overtaking on the inside is the only way….
Bloody hell, that rodeo analogy just kept going.
Kravitz just looks drunk in this episode.
@@Grammarlings-cf8ywI fear that may just be normal Ted
Yeah he came in prepared.
@@Lex-l4j ironic considering he's obviously sitting there working out his 'bits' - bull, horns, cowboys, bull horns, take the horns, the prancing ponies, are ponies a bull? or is a bull a pony? grab the pony's bulls
So the rules need to change now? Sky sports and British fans didn't call for this in 2021 when Max was forced to give back his position at Bahrain and Saudi for gaining an advantage off track even though in both cases he was ahead at the apex
Ever thought for a second that maybe it's not the rules, guidelines whatever they are that maybe the race tracks themselves are the cause of so many issues?
Kravitz talking from a warehouse
Nando is a lovely kid, but too sweet. You can change the rules like forever, but Lando will never have the mentality of a winner. I would love to see him as second driver next to Max.
Has anyone noticed how the Red Bull was incredibly fast during the sprint race but appeared extremely slow during the actual race day?
Well that what happened in Miami and Austria aswell Lol🤫
@@MohamedLamkhizni that’s true 🧐🤔
Let me guess they were cheating? 😮💨
@@ThmsDouglas I don’t know; it’s just more of an observation, I guess.
If you were allowed to overtake outside the white lines then Max would never lose a race
Lando can't even keep inside the white lines without overtaking , he almost got a penalty for 5 times gone out of track limits.
I watch expecting more but get the BS narrative …. Good people doing bad things
So British media complains about inconsistent interpretation by the stewards when it goes against Hamilton. Now British media complains when the rules are implemented rigorously as per how they are written when it goes against Lando? Seriously guys, swap the cars, and you don't care if Max got pinged. Lando isn't good enough, Max is a fully rounded champion to compete with Schuey for GOAT !
Bro it’s Schumi not shuey. Come on man
To be clear, Ted is my favorite commentator(can't stand TommoF1-just not for me), love the podcasts, and SkyF1 in general. But it would be a non-conversation for SkyF1 if it was the other way around. Its really annoying to hear Lando & Co complain that the rules should not be applied "by the letter of the law" when all we heard during the Massey era was whinging every single race about why the rules are not being applied by the "letter of the law". I feel like choking some who got exactly what they wish for!
Pathetic British bias as usual from sky
Ted is over the top with his fan boy bias. Embarrassing. Just like crofty and brundle. Alex Jacques is miles ahead as a broadcaster…
The first 9 minutes are nothing to do with anything and a waste of time.
finally an answer on the question whether Lando was going to get a penalty anyway because he had maximum track limit warnings. OMG i have had to watch so much content to find this out WTF. SMH
Ted I am a big fan of your notebook, but you let me down on this podcast, jet lag ?
sky sport bias is so logich and there are to many brithish drivers in f1
Lando should stop listening to his pit they get everything wrong
What is Ted doing in this podcast? He's looking at his phone, taking ages to get to the point, and sighing loudly in the mic. The other donnie won't shut up about 2025 being excited. Poor podcast.
brits whinging about rules and wanting change only when effected is their national sport
Great analysis, agreed its in the rules, agreed its not what we want to see into the future if we want the drivers to actually race.
I like how you all actually know less than fans... how can you not know where to find the guidelines, they are on the damn website.
Not the most up to date version.
They don't actually know what the internet is or a browser.
Kravitz: ...Texas... bull... horns... cowboys... bull horns... take the horns... the prancing ponies... bucking broncos... are broncos ponies? prancing bull broncos... grab the pony's bulls... oh let me talk for twelve minutes about meeting Sting and the fact that he is in shape - fascinating - Another cocktail Mr Kravitz?
Sounds more like sleep deprivation to quickly overcome jetlag to me 🤣 Unless he stayed in the Americas... Then it's just sleep deprivation.
If you're ahead at the apex because you're braking so late that you go out of the track, it shouldn't count. Because then nothing prevents other drivers to go outside the track, as long as you push another driver out, to avoid being overtaken. I think the stewards are very afraid to affect the championship, but that shouldn't be a consideration at all.
British Fans crying
Get lost
I wonder if Ferrari has regretted replacing Carlos already
I think Lewis is going to Ferrari because it’s going to be his last foray before he retires.
Sky apparently doesn't have the budget to put a picture on screen
Next year this Toxic Sky will back Lewis and will mame Leclare look bad.
Yep and if that Ferrari is title contender and both Lewis and Charles have chance to win it they will be making Charles as bad as they was making Nico rosberg before when he was Lewis teamate especially if both Was have some controversial incidents
Hamilton will leave after 1 year and no success. It's not that he isn't capable, it's that he hasn't realised he doesn't care anymore.
@@sjm3265 Who are you
Stella was wrong again he is tirning mclaren into ferrari
Their British driver wasn’t benefited so nor they are creating controversy