"Remembering Heiser" Interview W/ Ronn Johnson
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Welcome to Another Episode of Ring Them Bells.
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Today we welcome to the Show Dr. Ronn Johnson a host of the Popular Divine Council Worldview Podcast.
Ronn received his Ph.D. FROM Dallas Theological Seminary.
Buckle up and get ready for a incredible discussion that is sure to lead us into the Unseen Realm…
Ladies and gentlemen Welcome to the show with me Dr. Ronn Johnson
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3) Bible Project Spiritual Beings Series - bibleproject.c...
4) John Walton Clip - Rethinking Scripture - • John H. Walton - Comme...
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I miss Dr Michael Heiser so much. 💔
Me too!🥲
Between Dr. Heiser & Chuck Missler. When I listened to both preach/ discussed scriptures, I cried so hard. It's confirmation from the Holy Spirit. As a cradle Buddhist until I was saved by the Holy Spirit. Everything Dr. Heiser & Chuck Missler discovered, resonated with my soul. I saw it, I understood it. Praise GOD.
It seems to me that Ronn Johnson is the right person to keep this project moving forward. I'm new to Heiser and have been reading Walton for many years. I've been following NT Wright since the 1990s. I've been a follower and financial supporter of the BibleProject for years. Engaging Heiser beginning in early 2024 has been enriching. I've read through the Bible annually for about 35 years. Each year I bring to my readings all that I've learned (remember, anyway) so as to check out the Scriptures in deeper ways. This year I'm paying attention to "the LORD of Hosts" language that appears afresh, say, in Luke 1. So, I'm grateful and happy for Ronn Johnson's leadership.
I also miss Mike 💔💔 he is one of a kind. Everyone is heartbroken! This interview with Ron is so amazing, so interesting, and, that his subject was on the gods of the NT. What got me excited is Luke 10:19. The demons fell at His feet and bowed before Jesus. Awesome 🙌🙌Jesus Is LORD!!!
I'm definitely going to get hold of Dr Ron Johnson's work. I know he shares a podcast with Mike Chu. Thank you for keeping Dr Mike Heiser's work alive and spreading. God bless you brother🙏
"Even the devils obey Him!" Commander in Chief of all the angels/messengers before and after His incarnation!
I don't wrestle with scripture at all. I take it for the truth that is, which Doc Heiser revealed to me. Everything Doc Heiser illuminated, makes perfect sense in my mind.
Then you are an idolator...and Heiser would say so.
@@KravMagoo ok, idiot.
@@KravMagoo Idolator would be someone like yourself that does no actual study and believes in silly fairy tales rather than the actual truth.
Thanks for keeping this in front of us. So many believers out there with such a shallow understanding of the spiritual realm.
Dr Ronn Johnson is awesome!
Just from what I’ve read in the Bible, God has always been, created all, including those other elohim, likes to delegate, and wants to be with his creation. Sounds like a very loving God. I still have lots of questions about the Bible; so I agree with Dr. Johnson on we just don’t know all the details. Thanks for this fantastic interview! So glad you’re here to bring this to us and for everyone who continues to keep Dr. Heiser’s work going! 🙏🏻
Praise the Lord 🎉
Paul even remarked that women may well consider keeping their hair covered during worship, lest the angels take notice. That is a DIRECT connection to Enoch.
Thank you so much for this interview brother! And thank you for your additional commentary especially on the Walton situation. I couldn’t agree more with you and it’s sad that he walks a fine line at being a scientific materialist like most rest of the old school “guild”. Keep this channel going. We need this!!
So good on so many levels!
Yes. I’d like to see them debate.
I had the honor of previewing this systematic theology book in progress, this book will be a game changer.
Can’t wait to read the next PDF I get. What I’ve seen so far is outstanding !!!!!
Believers have no sense of humility or shame, no morals or standards. Huckaby & other pastors endorsed Trumpism. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation.
I find that believers strike out with threats, when informed of reasoned denial, of the existence of a God outside of fiction.
Atheist literature goes back to 500 BC. I suspect educated men have always known Deity as a tool of fiction, a tool of state.
I enjoy the ludicrous notions of faith.
Believers begin their crimes like Moses, becoming history's worst navigator, as if travel were best done with one foot in fantasyland.
Believers fail to comprehend the saying of Jesus Christ which has lasted to this day. Believers are found among a gathering crowd, when Jesus Christ is alarmed by a wicked generation, those who seek the signs of resurrection. "The only sign given is Jonah" - who was a believer. He was outnumbered & murdered by other believers. Jesus Christ "hangeth on a tree" to celebrate the War of the Jews.
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13
"Render to Caesar"
A debate between Ronn Johnson and John Walton would be extremely interesting and enlightening. I would love to see it.
"This idea that the divine and human worlds somehow collide at various places and at various times is so normal to the biblical writer as opposed to how we think today". I agree with that. Before I heard much of this divine council, I left the protestant church and began studying at synagogue with Jews who are believers in Jesus. I can tell you with some degree of confidence that this concept was never lost on Jews. And that they (probably even those not yet convinced of Christ) still are well aware of this concept. If you study carefully even of the most casual ancient texts (such as Genisis) you see it as assumption. Not as some great revelation. The Jews and ancient followers of יהוה began forming a picture of what was behind the veil before the veil was torn. It's remarkable. I desperately hope the church will discover the base of its religion and know Christianity is not a replacement of Judaism but its capstone.
I wouldn't be interested in a "debate" but a "friendly conversation" to try to glean more understanding from their differences in perspective.
@@KrazyKatLadyx2 that’s where I’m coming from as well. We could all learn so much from a healthy conversation from these two opposing viewpoints.✌️❤️🔔✔️
The premises these two men are the point of contention.
Great interview. Jesus is the Son of God that defeats the other bene ha elohim
Ron Johnson’s comment about using “assembly” instead of “council” sparked an interesting question. How should we( Christians) understand us as the “church”(ekklesia) another “ assembly “ in light of the Divine Council Worldview? Since we judge angels (1 Cor. 6) and are given thrones(Revelation 4) and are adopted as “sons of God”(Gal. 4) and given power to “become sons of God”(Jn. 1:12), how shall we then exercise this :
1. In our everyday life
2. In our gathering together (i.e. church services)
I’d prefer a discussion (not a debate) between Walton and Johnson.
@@theidolbabblerthedailydose33 Same! Debate and discussion within the right spirit and with the right people can be the same thing. But I understand the connotation that word holds. I agree with the sentiments to just open the space for discussion. It will be helpful for everyone
How can common people get copies of Ron’s or Michael’s dissertations? This type of knowledge should not be restricted
If the Walton’s theological assessment of the Bible projects that there is no real spiritual conflict conveyed throughout the pages of the scriptures or that the agents of the adversary are not working against plan and purpose of Almighty Elohim. It can only be concluded that this theology is aimed to prove that the controversy is very REAL AND PRESENT.
Thanks!
@@rich5508 Thank you ✌️✔️❤️
I was in the middle of the presentations on RUclips of the 2019 conference when it was taken down over ownership issues. I don't know where to find that, but if someone knows where I can find it in order to finish listening to the presentations, I'd love to know where. I really enjoyed what I was able to hear.
I'm enjoying this video so far. Thanks for doing this so we can get to know Ronn better.
❤
Yes a debate with Walton
Thanks for the helpful discussion of where Walton fits in. It's seemed to me, having read almost every Lost World Series book, that Walton uses modern speech act theory to serve (almost like a mathematical function) to decide what the Bible affirms (illocutions, which we Bible believers should believe) and what is merely used to convey that meaning (locutions). We don't have to believe the references but only the affirmations. My other worry about Walton's view is his understanding of the Bible making rhetorical arguments and not syllogisms. With syllogisms, the truth of the conclusion (what is being affirmed by the argument) requires the premises of the argument to also be true. But, says Walton, with rhetorical arguments, the argument relies on is using what the speaker and audience understand in common (their shared worldview) to communicate something "new" which is the meaning the rhetorical argument seeks to convey. And that meaning is what is the affirmation we are to believe. This approach however, seems to imply that that shared understandings about the world in rhetorical arguments don't have to be true at all (and much of which we in the West reject for whatever reasons). Thanks for this video.
In a previous comment I stated that I would like to hear a debate between Ronn Johnson and John Walton; but after reviewing Naked Bible 430 I’m not interested in hearing anything from John Walton.
I miss the older introduction and interlude music Ring Them Bells used to play 😢
@@KevinHaggard229 Interviews have a different intro and this song has been with me since day one and although I’m not some music producer I actually made it myself🙋🏻♂️✌️❤️
I would not want Johnson and Walton to debate. I would frame it as a conversation (not a debate) to better understand how we should understand what seem to be affirmations of a reality that we find so difficult in the West to believe. For Walton, affirmations are connected to the illocutions and not to the locutions. This seems to many people to leave the locutions in a state of "what do we do with these things they seem to really believe is true which they used to talk about things they want us to believe about God's world" when some of the things they really believed to be true we today know are not true about the physical world? Is the spiritual realm to be just lumped together with the other stuff we don't believe about the physical world? I think Ronn Johnson raises this as the point for a discussion. In Walton's book on Demons, Walton uses the language of he's making proposals for how to think about these things. So there is room for discussion and let's not make it adversarial please.
@@ds61821 Respectful Debate and conversation are the same to me ✌️❤️✔️
I don’t know that we can say we’re innocent bystanders. We don’t fully understand the whole spiritual realm and we didn’t probably from day one understand that there was a spiritual war going on from what we can read from scripture, but who knows prior to that maybe human beings fully understood the whole spiritual war between the angelic room, the lesser God and we can speculate on these things, but we don’t have any absolute assurances from scripture to say that that is true so I don’t believe we can sit back and say human being are just simply innocent victims that had no clue. I think our decisions have consequences.
One of the biggest impediments to spiritual advancement is the nonsense notion that all human incarnated souls are equal and have the same level of spiritual awareness. "We" as a species are hardly any sort of "one" except in having the same sort of DNA pointer to character archetypes in the realm of pure quantum consciousness. The soul's 12D merkaba is a quantum consciousness construct that underlines all physical forms, from universes to galaxies to stars and planets, but as creation progressed, the most interesting kind of character to play followed where God was incarnating personally. The adversary team are largely made up of disgruntled former chosen species and peoples that didn't follow God to the new chosen patterns of culture and government, pushing for a return to scenarios that proved to be dead ends. This is why so many fools think communism just hasn't been done right yet, when it represents the biggest club of past creations, the spiritual communist hive mind of the Lilithian shapeshifting hermaphrodite succubi/incubi demons
When you have a Satanic programming delivery mechanism like a computer or smut phone, who needs voodoo or tribal spirits? The saving grace is that God invented AI and virtual reality, and developed a system of co-creation that was designed to identify and exile evil from the better heavens.
Hey have yall ever considered Isaiah 45:7… meditate on that, talks a lot about evil ❤ thank you guys
I wish Doreen Virtue understood this .
The bit at the end about Satan. Are we to think Satan is everywhere as is the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Christ? Is every individual spiritual being everywhere at the same time? Or is each one by its nature not everywhere?
The City of God and the composition of the Divine Council changes with each new version of El Elyon. If any previous creation were perfect, it would not have been bounded by time and space and the limitations of the minds of previous chosen species and peoples
Believers have no sense of humility or shame, no morals or standards. Huckaby & other pastors endorsed Trumpism. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation.
I find that believers strike out with threats, when informed of reasoned denial, of the existence of a God outside of fiction.
Atheist literature goes back to 500 BC. I suspect educated men have always known Deity as a tool of fiction, a tool of state.
I enjoy the ludicrous notions of faith.
Believers begin their crimes like Moses, becoming history's worst navigator, as if travel were best done with one foot in fantasyland.
Believers fail to comprehend the saying of Jesus Christ which has lasted to this day. Believers are found among a gathering crowd, when Jesus Christ is alarmed by a wicked generation, those who seek the signs of resurrection. "The only sign given is Jonah" - who was a believer. He was outnumbered & murdered by other believers. Jesus Christ "hangeth on a tree" to celebrate the War of the Jews.
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13
"Render to Caesar"
Dr Heiser did not die. He was promoted to elohim.
What exactly the definition of rebellion in biblical term? 🤔
No, I don't think it was a mistake! Read (1Tim 2:14).
In fact, it was done on purpose with respect to Adam.
The center of the multiverse moves with the incarnations of God. The center of centers is where the fully awakened Messiah was born in 1959, Sacred Heart Hospital in Eagle Rock, Idaho. This small city is the basis for the new City of God, tailored to give all the children born there the same idealized childhood and young adulthood that finally produced a character that fulfilled all the key prophecies, many of which were hidden in scifi and fantasy books and movies of the last few generations
It is a very interesting question, to ask if some of the gods of the nations were bad right from go, or fell into sin as time went on? I bet at least some of them were not fallen when given sovereignty after babel. I bet this, because in Psalm 82:7 they're indicted and convicted. They're indicted for having not served God Almighty's laws and doing as he would do and being good stewards of creation.
I feel like that some cultures hold an ancient belief in God as we do leads to that conclusion. China shows some serious evidence that they not only worshipped Yahweh but also passed down the stories of creation and the flood.
After listening to many of these videos, I still don’t know what you mean using this ambiguous term divine counsel worldview. What are you trying to say that you think is a new understanding.
What's funny is that I don't buy into their teachings but I believe in the heavenly host, along with a bunch of other beliefs that are somewhat similar to Heiser but much different at the same time. For example, I know there are entities associated with the false gods which were worshipped by the nations, but I reject the notion that they are actual gods.
@@truthbebold4009 The apostle Paul and Jesus of Nazareth himself would disagree with you🤷🏻♂️✔️✌️❤️
@@alangiaconelli2919 for more context check this outruclips.net/video/Feny8jXuxVc/видео.htmlsi=R4dYuGDvA94H7e4i
Mini- apple- liss
THANK YOU 😂✌️ I need this ✔️🙏❤️
Teeter doing a presentational speed run...really hate when people read written speeches with no attention to normal speaking rhythms. Concepts that need and even require at least a moment or two of contemplation are immediately buried under ever more piles of the same. It is the antithesis of good communication.
I’m somewhat disappointed in Dr. Johnson’s veiled support of Walton’s position that Heiser was disturbed by. Instead of reserving comment until he familiarized himself with Walton’s teaching , he basically supported Walton’s view which I agree with Heiser is dangerous to the biblical text and a correct worldview. Also, Adam and Eve consciously chose to disobey God and supplant Him by becoming as Him. That’s pretty rebellious. Fruit not words indicate they rebelled. It was conscious not mistaken. They understood what they were doing. I’ve always been a bit uncomfortable with Johnson. Can’t explain it. I’ll have to evaluate him further and pray about it.
Yes, Ronn and John Debate !! John is definitely on the wrong side of this 🙏🙏🙏
The drear authoritarian visions of Isaiah and medieval head bangers are hardly the highest heaven the best of modern man needs and wants. That's why God architected a simulation multiverse, with many heavens and hells suited to souls whose idea of perfection is not as mature and positively creative as God's
Aren't the traditional Easter & Christmas hams remnants of the sacrifice and worship of other gods?
Do your research....
This tradition OBVIOUSLY did not come from the Jewish disciples of Yeshua!
You need to discard the absurd notion of "perfect" creation by a "perfect" God. All creations require extensive testing and refinement, and sometimes reach a dead end. God is best understood as the chief spiritual scientist of an exponentially growing number of senior creators who play the game closer or further from God's ideals. The "rooms" of the kingdom are mini universes that cater to different sorts of travelers, a chain of heavenly and hellish hotels to take a breather in and contemplate whether to move on or, if invited, join the permanent staff of your favorite hotel
Gnosticism? You believe the Sofia bits?
What the hell would you put a snake in the garden with your children in the first place he knew perfectly well what was going to happen and did it anyway this is all intentional and he created this whole war between good and evil in order to promote himself
Without choice & temptation there is no free will, just robots. JMO 🙄
Yeah, and honestly He has great plans for those that overcome this. I got a fact was t born into paradise, but a war zone, I thank God for this opportunity, He will make me stronger from day to day. And we will rest in power one day. As this journey goes forward I thank God for all the experiences that I am involved in, the people, etc, good and bad, for it will work out for the bigger picture in the end(beginning)
I have Naked Bible Conference 2019. Let me know if you still haven't found it and how I can get it to you if you want. I split the videos by speaker.
Nice job bro!