Combined Forces: INSIDE America's Unique POLICE-FIRE DEPARTMENT
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
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Join Mike as he travels solo to Michigan to explore one of the most unique public safety stations yet: East Grand Rapids Public Safety. This station is not just a police department or a fire department-it’s both, combined into one! Covering 3.5 square miles and serving 12,000 residents, this small but mighty department is ready for anything.
With staff on duty 24/7, including up staffing at night, East Grand Rapids Public Safety is prepared to respond to any 911 emergency. Whether you need a police officer, a firefighter, or an EMS provider, they've got you covered. Their skill and training stand out among the best in the country.
If your area has been struggling to recruit or retain personnel, this combined model might be the solution to your problems. Take a look and let us know what you think-it might just be the perfect fit for your community.
A special thank you to Safety Officer Troy Brown and Director Ric Buickema for allowing full access to their elite team and for encouraging others to keep moving forward.
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I was a Public Safety Officer in a gated community in Pennsylvania. We were primarily Law Enforcement Officers that provided initial EMS care until the arrival of the Ambulance crew. If a large fire or MVA happened, our Chief usually allowed us to assist the Volunteer Fire Dept. with whatever thy needed. I once drove the Heavy Rescue out to an MVA with extrication, out on the interstate highway. The State Troopers looked at me , and asked what I was doing out there (I was in my Police uniform) I pointed to the rig, and said "Driving that!" lol.
I too strongly agree that having personnel who "wear many hats" per-se is integral especially during times like what we live in today where in some areas resources are in such high demand and are hence forth stretched thin and I thank you as well as all others who work in Public Safety for your service, commitment, dedication and sacrifice to ensure our continued safety.
Whilst I am not a member of Public Safety or Law Enforcement, I work privately as a security officer who provides both armed and unarmed security services including hotel security of which I am currently charged with providing graveyard shift security detail for a major hotel (the hotel has only one female night auditor and nighttime manager whom are the only staff on shift from 11P-6A) that is seven floors w/125 guest rooms and two private suites.
I work as a lone man for said hotel and am additionally charged with providing EMS along with fire alarm verification/response/firefighting as well as performing primary searches and/or victim search/rescue if either 9-1-1 response times are delayed or until additional help arrives since the hotel staff would be entirely too busy with exercising crowd control and the evacuation of guests headed down to the lobby.
One guest had noticed me as I carried my personal SCBA/Bunker Gear/Halligan Tool into my temp security office and had asked me if there was a fire in the building...that's when I'd put her mind at ease by ensuring her that there's no fire and that this is only precautionary since I have to be able to prepare for any emergency that may arise and needless to say she was relieved and went on her merry way.
so you did security
Hope you were certified to drive that Fire truck
@@ronaldgrassmyer9795 I was. I was also a member of the Volunteer Fire Dept. as well.
@@rwik123 No, many of us were Police Academy graduates, sworn in by the County as Police Officers.
Knightdale, North Carolina used to have this model from 2002-2012 I believe. All officers were trained firefighters and carried their bunker gear in their cruisers. And Durham, NC also used to do this decades ago.
31 years professional fireman. I would/could never do a cop job. I know small towns do it out of necessity but it would never work in a larger city.
I know know what you'd define a larger city as, but Kalamazoo has a Public Safety Model and they have a population of 72,000.
@@morninmichigan1824 yup, born and raised in kalamazoo. the metro area is north of 250k. it works because while the smaller townships and villages run seperate police and fire, the amount of collaboration between municipalities and agencies makes for a unified service to all residents. you'll get portage and oshtemo fire departments responding to large fires in texas, kalamazoo officers backing up comstock police. all hands on deck for major wrecks on us131 or i94.
@@morninmichigan1824 I'm thinking that a city with more than 1 million would be better served by specialized departments. But it could possibly work.
EGR is a wealthy community. A lot of wealthy business owners from Grand Rapids live there. Not a lot of crime and not a lot of structure fires. This model is perfect for a city like this. They probably do more medical calls like any other station than anything else.
That's like the rohnert park public safety department in California. The fire truck carries a lock box for the officers firearms and the fire engine has made traffic stops in a law enforcement capacity
Must be a hell of a confusing moment for drunk drivers....
@@Del_S no
Sunnyvale California public safety department is the largest in the country
Sunnyvale public safety department
Nice
crazy a village with 11000 inhabitants in germany would have a 100% volunteer fire departement and the state police definetly wouldnt have a station there. they would be a 10 to 20 min drive away
@@Opsgermanysoldier ermmm in germany ermmm 🤓
@@Opsgermanysoldier It’s not really a village, more like a subcity of Grand Rapids, whose metro area has a population of over a million.
@Opsgermanysoldier does your town of 10k have cartel tunnels on the edge of town?
I live in Hampstead, MD. Our town's population is about 6,300 people within town limits. We have our own police department that patrols town. Our fire department is a combination station of both paid county members and volunteer members.
An incorporated or chartered village or city in the United States has the authority to create a police department and fire department, but they are not required to do so. Some have police; some outsource law enforcement to the county. Some have fire departments, and some depend on volunteer fire brigades instead. It depends on what the citizens want and are willing to pay for in taxes.
I interned here in the late 90's while a student at Calvin just up the road. Wow, this is a real blast from the past! Love it
Ashwaubenon, Wis. , suburb of Green Bay 17,000 residents increasing several times during daytime because of the large commercial and industrial area, started a Public Safety Dept. in 1980. 24 / 48 shifts, 8 hours on road as fully certified LEO , 16 hours in station as firefighter and EMS. Paramedics on every shift. All officers receive advanced training in each field and are as qualified as any other i the state.
Thanks for making the trip, Mike! Very interesting video.
Highland Park, Texas has the same model. 24 hour shifts. 8 hours on patrol. 16 on the engine or medic
Thank goodness! I’ve been waiting for another Station Cribs!!!
There are quite a few public safety departments in Michigan. Fraser, Oak Park, Center Line, Grosse Pointe Woods, Grosse Pointe Shores, Grosse Pointe Park, Grosse Pointe City, Bay City, Berkley, Big Rapids, just to name a few! I used to work Royal Oak Twp Public Safety Michigan.
In Vietnam, the Fire and Rescue is basically a division in ministry of police, so we're both cops and firemans
Loved the tour of East Grand Rapids and thank you for sharing!!!!
I’m a resident of East Grand Rapids for 31 years
What a great idea, especially for a small town. I was stationed in a small outback Australian town as a paramedic years ago. I was ex-police and in this town was me as the only paramedic and one cop. We'd both help each other, and driving each other's vehicle wasn't uncommon. I know many parts of the US don't have EMS training to our level (a Bachelor of Paramedicine and being a paramedic is the minimum requirement here, not EMT) but I can imagine the amount of training and skill level of these people. Kudos to them all.
What happens when the first responders attend to a drug call? You don't want an ODing patient to refuse care because they're worried about getting arrested.
dont to Drugs and dont get Arrested....
Some places prohibit LEO duties on emts calls
A lot of times ODs already refuse transport over fear of being arrested, regardless of any police presence on the scene.
In a number of states overdosing or calling 911 for someone overdosing gives you immunity from drug possession related charges.
This is by far NOT the only department that does this. There are multiple other cities that have their police and fire/EMS combined. I know of one where the personnel would rotate from LE patrol to fire truck or ambulance on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. All of the personnel in the department had Peace Officer, Professional Firefighter, and Emergency Medical Technician Certifications. They were also about the best paid department in the area because they officers had to be triple certified.
We have one of those up here in NH. This model works well for them and allows them to have 24/7 Fire/EMS/PD coverage in their small resort town which may explode in population during the resort seasons.
Rosemont and Glencoe Illinois both operate this way also.
Was just thinking this is very similar to Rosemont and I had totally forgot about Glencoe
Interesting fact, but Quad Cities Airport and Lincoln Capital Airport (Springfield) in Illinois also run this model. However, they're only Aircraft Fire Rescue Certified.
Rosemont actually contracts out their ambulance staffing, which helps. In a lot of communities, specifically in MI and CA that run this model of department, they don't operate their own ambulance.
@inventorchris2 what about Sunnyvale? And do any Public saftey departments do ems?
@longiusaescius2537 Sunnyvale runs similar, but they don't operate their own ambulance, which helps as you need fewer officers crossed trained as medics. Rosemont IL contracts out their ambulance staffing to a third-party company which staffs firefighter/paramedic solely for ems functions.
Majority of crossed trained public safety agencies I've seen don't staff their own ambulance, but have officers trained mostly as emts or medical Responder level.
@@inventorchris2 ALS cops with ambulances & fly cars with a doctor nurse pair like the germans NOTZART then a volly fire rescue would be interesting
This reminds me of the Sunnyvale DPS near where I live, all personnel are trained as police officers, firefighters, and EMTs. They have been extremely helpful in many calls and always (usually) a great group of people to work with
Are you talking about Sunnyvale Tx?
Sunnyvale were our heros.
Sunnyvale California
@@jeremymanuel8041California
@@dodgerman40kid67 thank you
Lot of locations in Southern Michigan have or had Public Safety Department in last 40 years. Sometimes like Meridian Township it never really worked like intended and the Departments were separated. Sometimes it works close enough to make the bean counters happy.
I've been a firefighter/EMT for years now. And I don't think I could handle being a police officer.
This is truly unique
West Plains, MO used to do something like this back in the early 2000s, but eventually, they separated. I believe there is something between 5 and 10 public safety departments here in missouri that are still functioning in missouri (i only know of two right off the top of my head).
You should definitely try and come to Kalamazoo. Little bigger PSO department. Plus I’d love to see it
Love this
Total fire geek mode! Social media took out being humble and working hard.
:20 love that stock footage. It’s Riverside County. My area.
And you should do Montgomery PA. They have a DPS agency and probably the largest in the country.
Here in nj alot of police departments are cross training with ems since they are usually first on scene and can start treatment til ems arrives
Kalamazoo Department of Public Safety is one of the largest in the country for the Public Safety model.
To get a real sense of how it works and how well it functions most of the time you should reach out.
They have had a combine department since 1982.
Combined emergency services used to be very common in Britain before World War 2, mostly combined police and fire services with a few also including ambulance services. After the end of the war the National Fire Service was disbanded and local fire services were set up again, combined fire and police services were no longer permitted, but combined fire and ambulance services existed up until 1974, when municipal ambulance services in England and Wales became part of the NHS. The City of London Police (the inner-city financial district) was a combined police and ambulance service until 1946: London had a single ambulance service for the rest of the metropolitan area since 1916, including the City after 1946.
Ireland still has some remnants of this old-style joint Fire/Ambulances. Obviously Ireland doesn't have the same NHS setup as the UK, so their Ambulance services are part of the Fire service which initially caught me off guard the first ever time I saw it, as I thought it was very American-style; the LAFD or FDNY ambulances particularly.
Thanks to your comment though, I know now it wasn't an American-style, just an old British-style setup.
Rosemont IL has this type of setup
Kalamazoo, Blackman-Leoni Township, Manistique, Escanaba, Gladstone, Kingsford, Ironwood, Emmett Township, Petoskey, Albion, Bay City, Essexville, St Joseph and several metro Detroit communities use the public safety model in Michigan. I’m sure there’s a couple I’m missing. Michigan seems to have the highest number of public safety departments in the country. All do it a little different depending on the community needs. It’s worth noting that some places use the “public safety model” but are not fully consolidated, meaning their employees are not necessarily cross trained, and they still have separate divisions for police and fire.
North Myrtle Beach used the public safety model for a while.
The Broward County Sheriff’s Office also serves as the fire department and EMS for unincorporated areas of the county and cities that contract out to the sheriff’s department for services.
We have a lot of Public Safety Agencies in Michigan, there's even some relatively small agencies with Public Safety Models.
Cayce,S.C. had this model public safety department, when I lived there in the 90s and early 2000s!
You should definitely try and come to Kalamazoo. Little bigger PSO department. Plus I’d love to see it.
I've seen this model in New York, and a lot of smaller areas in rural Canada that aren't handled by the RCMP. It's a cool system.
Most rural locations in Canada don't have their own police, it's usually RCMP, OPP, SQ, or a regional force. BC used to have one dept like this but it went septerate in 2002
@realalbertan Some smaller first nations services are integrated.
Larimer county sheriff's office had a wildland fire unit attached to the sheriff's office.😊
@@wademolzahn8870 lots of sheriff's offices in Colorado have that, El Paso County also still has a small wildfire unit attached to it
LCSO wildland is still a thing, they also cross-train their SWAT guys (now AHCR) so they can run wildland and technical rescue incidents
Now time to apply for a firefighter for that building
You were in my hometown. The guys at the fire/police are great people
Absolutely, Grand Rapids is MY home town.
I like that idea
Love to see more Michigan fire stations thank you! I used to live in Fraser Michigan where they had public safety and they have some awesome equipment!
Sunnyvale public safety department in California is the largest in the country
@@emmanuelawosusi2365who asked?
@@jayt270 Sunnyvale public safety department is the largest in the country
@@emmanuelawosusi2365again I didn't ask
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Esquimalt, BC used to run a combined department until 2002. They contracted policing to Victoria who in turn hired 33 of their officers.
Now they are looking reestablishing their own police force but contracting specialized services to either the RCMP or VicPD.
Try covering Cedar Falls, Iowa. they did this type of model years ago and it's been a huge contention point. A disaster...
A lot of Michigan departments are DPS, especially in the metro counties such as Wayne, Macomb, and Oakland
Cedar Falls Iowa cross trains PD and Fire under the department of public safety. You sign up for a primary duty and crossover as needed. From what I understand it’s worked well.
I admittedly am asking this before finishing the video, do the guys on fire duty stay armed during shift or do they disarm themselves upon switching?
wow thats some really cool stuff :D
Greetings from Germany :D
Head to Kalamazoo you’ll see it. If I’m not mistaken Bay City also has the same set up.
Imagine being pulled over by a fire truck
I live in Victoria on the west coast of Canada. One of the bedroom communities is Esquimalt. They used to have a combined police/fire department (There is a provincial ambulance/EMT service.) Several years ago the provincial government decided Esquimalt should separate their police and fire department while amalgamating their police department with the Victoria department. The citizens are still not happy about this! We have 13 small municipalities in this small regional district, which is expensive to maintain. Each municipality has their own fire department, three have their own police department (including the combined police department) the rest use three different RCMP departments. What a mishmash! I actually live in the municipality of Saanich. When I cross the street half a block south to go a large mall, I’m in the city of Victoria.
MIKE PLEASE SHOW US MORE!!
What would you like to see?
Some ski patrol facilities,they can be pretty cool
Heath Tx DPS is fire/ems/police combined.
I think this works because it's a small city in terms of size and the population is less than eleven thousand people. I'm sure they have mutual aid agreements with neighboring areas police and fire
I don’t remember the city, but many years ago they had the same type of Public Safety Department. They operated a full transport EMS. The ambulance would sometimes make traffic stops.
The City of Manistique in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan operates an ALS ambulance as part of their public safety department.
@GhostSpider174 do any other departments do ALS?
@@longiusaescius2537 Not off the top of my head, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was. It’s definitely not as common though as most people don’t have all 3 fire, LE, and paramedic certs.
In 1977 I was a public safety officer in Oakland Park Florida with a population of about 50,000. It seemed to work okay, but has a tendency to reduce manpower in both police and fire. If you have a flu bug going around, where do you pull the personal from, the road or the station? Five people at a station for an engine, truck and EMS?
They have that here in a couple towns in Minnesota
This is cool for this area wouldn’t work where I live in Maryland to many ppl and call volume is heavy here
Oakwood Township In Montgomery County Ohio used to be like this!!
This is actually more common than people think.
very good
Imagine getting pulled over by a fire truck then a police officer gets out of the truck and issues you a citation
The fire truck does not pull people over 👮
Id like to see a video on Grand Haven Public safety in West Michigan.
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An interesting question here is what occupation the officer preferred to select from the dropdown list in some applications like those for bank account.
It would be nice to hear that each employee earned a combination of what a full time fire, police and EMT earned but I'm betting that is not the case. :(
I don't have that type of agency in my city, also actually live in the East Coast in Virginia. Plus why do they transition to the county dispatch when they used to have their own dispatch.
Bald head island NC has had cross trained LEO FFs for long time because simply mutual aide is a decent ferry ride away. They’re public safety officers and I believe rotate between law enforcement and fire protection roles. If a major incident happens they would contact all on duty to respond to an incident and police would be putting on turnouts as it would take 1/2hr for any assistance from the rest of Brunswick County NC to be able to arrive. So no this isn’t new by any means.
This is example of what could be with all the budget cuts
They threatened us with it in the early 90's and our union told the city to double our pay and we'd consider it.
Morganton NC has this model
Village of Glencoe,IL and Rosemont, IL
I'm sure these cops will never park their cruisers in front of a hydrant or the house that's on fire.
Just like here in Brazil fire department is also part of the police department but they do not exchange posts
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I need this set up in my state
spring arbor MI does the same thing like this.
Wondering what happens when all the personnel are tied up on a moderate police type call and a house fire comes in.
There’s a public safety by my house and some of the police are firefighters and some of the firefighters are police.
It’s different to see a cop take off duty belt and get dressed as firefighter.
Nice video
Thanks
Amberley village in Ohio has this same model you should check it out next time
As a career law enforcement officer of nearly 30 years who also worked in fire and EMS independently I have to say I'm not buying into this consolidation one bit. Maybe it looks good on paper but in reality it would suggest a high level of burnout! Each of these jobs is difficult enough. The training alone seems hellatious at best. Unless the pay scale is through the roof...and I suspect it isnt.. I'm not sure how beneficial a three way job would truly be. Jack of all trades ace of none? I'd love to know what turnover in that department is really like.
I can’t speak on East Grand Rapids, but I have worked very closely with several other PSO departments. Some people don’t like it, but I know many PSOs who left local PDs and SOs to go be a PSO. Of the PSO departments I know, most of the men and women love it. Obviously some have their niche, be it fire or police, but anyone that absolutely dreads one of the disciplines wouldn’t do public safety. Most of the PSOs I know are pretty well compensated, and a lot of them are paid higher than their neighboring PD/FD that are separate. This is strictly my experiences, so I’m sure some places this is definitely not the case. This isn’t something that would work in every community, but the ones that use it, it seems to work pretty good.
Do the firefighters also carry a weapon when on the engine or truck?
Not many public safety departments in South Carolina anymore. Most have separated and have come out better for it.
What happens when there is a large fire with injuries and crowd/traffic control is required? A part of this scenario must be lacking, even calling in off duty personnel takes time.
When I was a kid I thought cops and fire fighters where the same they just changed outfits because it was before the tac vest and AR
I think this is an okish idea for a small community that doesn’t have the budget to support a traditional system however I think one of the huge downsides to this is they make a huge investment into the training of their employees to be ems fire and police so unless the employees stay with the department for a significant amount of time they won’t see a return on making the investment in all the training
There NEEDS to be a difference between law enforcement and fire/EMS. We're still the good guys in the hood and the cops are not. If fire lost that, we lose everything.
With the ever increasing drug over doses on the street I find that police officers are more and more likely to be providing initial care until paramedic or fire arrives.
So what happens if you get a large structure fire in the police that are on duty show up and put their bunker gear on, and then you get a violent home invasion who's going to respond to that?
why is there telehandlers is it for the firerfighters
West Whiteland, Chester County, you mentioned?
What’s the pay like for them?
Probably the same as any police officer or firefighter
They should paint their police cruisers red & fire trucks black and white.😂
I wrote that comment before watching the video and lost my mind when I saw the black engine.😮
Damn this is a perfect station for Sam from Prepmedic😂
Here they combined parks dept and street dept. They use alot of oil
Sunnyvale California does the same thing
As a Swiss, it seem fully impossible for us:
Police officer: 2 years of training
Firefighter: 1.5 years
Paramedic (only possibilitie to work in field medical emergencys(ambulance) out of wartime and without considering doctors): 3 years
Total: 6.5 years (and that's since you are 18 and you already have another formation (and you should start by the paramedic training because firefighters and police officers need to be 20 years old to start the training)
So it would be 6 months longer than the medical school and then you would have continuous training+compulsory vacations and breaks between service... you would work something like 3 days per years.
Good model in Switzerland. Those very cities who do that in the states do so out of necessity I'm sure. It would never work in a larger city. You'll either do one or the other job well, not both.
Similar in Australia. To work in EMS you have to be a paramedic-there's 4 years training (3 at university, one as an intern). Police is an 18-month recruit training (6 at academy, 12 as a first-year constable), and I believe qualifications to be a firefighter are quite comprehensive.
buddy doesn't know rosenbauer exists when he thought no one else could spec the bare minimum that pierce of shit velocity has
Highland Park DPS Texas
Where are the jail cells? / processing?