RME TotalMix Training Session 3 - Software Playback ~ Loopback ~ Creative Routing
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
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I agree, a blue level meter on a channel being fed by loopback would be fantastic. Go a step further and make an entire color pallet available where you could select any other color aside from the standard green being used by the regular i/o
Ingenious solution of different color meter for "virtual" (love that word) input. Perfect idea.
Yeah, Barry you’ve been doing us all a serious solid by getting technical on routing. As somebody who uses multiple interfaces and a Pulse 16, I appreciate this video very much. And i hope i’m not the only listener who has wasted actual hours with eyes closed and my chin in my hands trying to think through routing solutions in my head. Please don’t let me be the only one …
Page 87 of the UFX+ manual explains the loopback feature. In your example using MADI to feed itself, the loopback is functioning precisely how the literature describes the loopback feature should function. What it doesn't explain is that a potential feed back issue can occur from adjusting the hardware input fader and activating the channel, especially with compression. Of course this is all as clear as mud because TotalMix appears to be a mixing board due to the faders. It is so not a mixing board as you have pointed out. Cheers!
Awesome!!! Watching it now.
Edited for clarification: At the end of the day, it's easiest to think of all the faders in the input section (top row) to be SEND levels...to the selected output. So instead of thinking about the input faders as volume faders, you're starting with all the faders all the way down, then you push them up as the send level into the output that you're currently working on. So if not thinking about it as a send, then it's simply a "mix for the selected output." So turning the fader to nominal gain (0db) would send the entire signal to that output, vs sending a little, etc. Even if technically, it's a volume fader for that specific output, it's easier to think of it as a send, since you're sending the signal to the output, the more you push the fader up. And all the way down means not sending it at all to that output.
If the top row faders are sends why do they have send faders on them?
@United South Enterprises LLC those are FX sends - click the wrench icon, it expands, and you'll see an FX Send knob. That little fader you're describing and the FX Send knob control the same thing.
The main faders are send levels to the outputs that are selected and showing under each fader. Which is why they are all turned down by default. So that you only push the fader up to add it to the selected output.
@@SomebodyPickaName Bro do you know what a send is? Used for? Sends are entirely used for side chaining or sending to reverb etc… You clearly haven read the manual or understand the signal flow of total mix. All input channels run to AN 1/2, the fader is just to listen to your input audio if you want, if you have a mic and turn the fader down you won’t hear your mic. You’re saying the inputs are sending audio to the outs makes no sense. All channels are routed to the master just like any DAW.
Barry, Amen on the loopback feature addition!
Awesome! Big Thanx, Barry!! I was just twisting my mind over capturing some of those 'Isolated90s Tracks' from YT into my DAW... BEFORE they get striked and taken down.. AND here You came with the proper solution (I'm TRYING to figure out Total mix for a couple years now...). MUCHAS GRACIAS!!!
Thank you Barry!! I understood what you were talking about. You are correct. The second you click that loop back feature it should show all of the signals in another color so it is easy to follow what is being loop backed.
Can’t wait for your hardware routing video . 😊
I've been using Totalmix forever and never used the loopback feature. This is great, thanks for taking the time to explain it.
Thanks!
I like the idea of changing the color of the meter on the loopback input (MADI 31/32) in your example. If RME hasn't already thought of that, it is a great suggestion. They may however have reasons for not doing it. I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily call it a FAIL. Great video and really helpful explanations. Watched all three of them and learned a lot. Thank you.
Check this one out!
RME TotalMix - Hardware Routing Simplified - The Holy Grail Lesson
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Thank you Barry! Super helpful, especially conceptually. I really like your metering idea and hope that it gets implemented by RME in the near future.
I couldn't agree more about the metering. In fact, I would rather they just allow you to deal with looped back audio exactly as if it is physically connected, ie normal metering and the ability to route to the rest of the mixer. It would be great for submixes in certain settings. RME said they are worried about feedback, which is valid. But just listen to Barry. Don't turn up the hardware input faders until you are ready!
Another informative presentaion, keep them coming.
I use loopback quite frequently.
Looking forward to your Tegelar Creme review.....I've been using one for some time and love it!
Thanks for all the TotalMix videos. You’ve done a great job and I say this as a happy UFX owner for many years. The point you made here about not seeing I put levels of some sort during a loop back is spot on and this caused me much frustration in the learning process. We really could use some sort of indication of what the loopbaback routing is doing. Your suggestion was excellent. Thanks again for the whole series!
5:12 PLUS ONE vote from me (and I imagine many others / everyone) for this feature PLEASE RME!!
Thanks for explaining the fundamentality of TotalMix. I’ve only needed it active to drive adat audio i/o from my Digiface interface. I realize I won’t be able to utilize all of this info since the Digiface has no internal DSP, but I can see where Loopback will be tremendously helpful routing signal around my studio. Cheers!
Use loopback all the time but, currently have my total mix set on DAW mode.
Waiting for your thjoughts on the Creme, It's in my mastering signal chain and in my opinion, brings just the right stuff!
Checking it out rn
Appreciate you
Wow, thanks!
I don't find it confusing that there is no level on the physical 31/32 inputs because that is a fact. You've got input only on the software playback 31/32. Why would it show level on a totally different input? I think the problem is that you're seeing the inputs and outputs as part of the same channel as on a physical console, which is not the case at all here. You've got 32 hardware inputs, 32 software inputs and 32 outputs. Some of those share the same number but that doesn't mean anything really.
came to say the same. there's nothing on those input channels, it'd be confusing to have something showing there.
Great explanation. Per the previous vid, you did not show the matrix on loop back. I'm considering RME products integration. For the price and quality for these price-points they seem like a solid quality backward and forward compatible supported addition. Based on my understanding of this solution the loop back should populate in the matrix despite no level light or any indicator led. This is obviously an oversight on RME dev. That's a simple fix on their C++ end. I concur on your advice. Please advise. Thanks!
Hey Barry. I'm attempting to directly record computer audio into my DAW via ADAT inputs 1/2. I'm getting signal, but I can't get it to stop feeding back when Loopback is on. Anything that eliminates the feedback also mutes the signal. I realize this question may be a little dumb... hopefully the answer will be too!
Can you explain more about how to use the FX ? For example on the headphones ....
barry is there any advantage of a ferrofish MADI 16 going into a UFX III vs a ferrofish ADAT 16 going into ADAT of a UFX II ? Or is it just about having spare channels...?
Thanks for those very helpful videos on TotalMix!
But personally I think it is absolutely correct that the physical inputs don't show a level in the case shown here - because that's a fact. So what if you DO have a signal coming in at MA31/32 but you are not using it. At the same time you could have the same exact routing as shown by you. In this case the levels of the software playback MA31/32 and looped outputs MA31/32 would show the their levels. But if you would also show a blue level on the input MA31/32 then you couldn't see the real signal coming in on the physical output...
Based upon my workflow, the two would never exist at the same time. The only reason I would use available, unused outputs, because I need to do internal routing. So I’m never gonna be in a situation where I’m gonna need to route two sources to the same channel. if a channel is being used or a plan to be used, I simply would just pick another available unused channel. Also color coating them differently, distinguish what it is.
My direct monitoring isn't sounding good enough as it does not feel like it is open and loud. What should I do ( I own a babyface pro fs) and please let me know how should I stop direct monitoring and use DAW monitoring.
I'm having a tough time getting my TC electronics ClarityM to connect with my RME UFX+ over optical ADAT. Am I missing a step?
How does one capture audio? Also how do you get it in you mixer?
Not sure if you've done it yet, but you've mentioned in the first video on how to use ARC USB. I just got mine, so would love it if you can create another training session on setup and use cases for it. I want to use it with TotalMix, but I don't want to have the TotalMix window open in order for the functions on ARC USB to work. Hope you'll consider; thanks for the series!
I can add it to the list, it may be a minute. That said, you do not need total mix open to use the arc.
@@BarryJohns Great on the video. Yes, I was thinking that I should not need the window open, but I think it's because I get a window when it launches at startup of the firmware update. I'm hoping that once I install it, the window will close after startup.
@@BarryJohns Update: I just updated the firmware; it was easy. Did a restart, TotalMix window window opened and closed, ARC works....beautiful! Thanks again and hope the ARC video will percolate in time!
Would this be a valid approach for re-amping channels partricularly through something like my Cranborne 500ADAT. Especially if I don't want to add physical patch panelling to my studio rig?
I.e. leave a 500 channel set up on the output of say ADAT 1/2 but then loopback from IO 3/4 to ADAT/1/2 when resessioning my guitar layer?
Send me an email.
Hey Barry
Nuendo/cubase comes with built in loudness meters, as you know pro tools doesn’t!
I have both.
Can I route pro tools audio into nuendo and use it for metering rather than buying a nugen meter for pro tools as I also have a ufx?
Love to know your feelings here. Mostly mixing for post! Thanks Richie
Yes, I fl have demonstrated how to route to different DAW’s in several videos. I have to do it whenever I’m demoing gear in one DAW then routing the output of that DAW to another.
Could you show us your obs setup too?
I've watched all three series, I'm half way through the manual, and I can't figure out how to get the mic input(input 1 and 2) to go out to the head phones (with effects applied). Very confusing interface indeed!
Are you sure it isn't bypassing the input and going directly to the output? Which to me seems like you would still be able to use that physical input.
Thank you Barry for all your TotalMix videos. You are an expert with big studio. The challenge with TotalMix is same for little setup. Can you show us how to work with TotalMix when using only two Hardware-Inputs (Mik + Instrument) and one Software-Input (Yt-Sound) from Computer? Then Monitor and Headphones as Outputs. If our setup works could be best tested in a Video-Call/Streaming-environment. I would liiiike to see a simple tutorial about this 😊 I’m quite sure many visitors are waiting for this, would watch and recommend this.
Thanks Barry, I watched session 1 and 2 but I still can't figure out how to get my second headphone running. I still only hear 1.I use the firefase 802FS
already working ....excuse me
you don't need another daw to record audio from nuendo and your voice. just use control room, send to a separate output the whole mix and set your talkback to permanent activation, but be sure that talkback deactivates when you press play or record. then you can use that separate output on your OBS or screen recording software .
that new output in the control room has to use the loopback function in total mix
I’ll check that out
Thx for this. I've used it before but man is it confusing. Also, not sure if you are aware of this but OBS doesn't recognize the Babyface audio coming in. You have to do a workaround with two third party apps to get the audio into OBS. unless something has changed. ruclips.net/video/wOUzTACDlZM/видео.html
‘Em. Nope. Your physical input 31/32 should not have any level meter indicator. It physical and not play any role in loopback. The behaviour is correct.
I know it’s correct based on RME’s thought perspective, however, a typical user would benefit from having the option. Yours is the first to back up its good the way it is where as a ton of other commenters have agreed it would be helpful.
Hi Barry, Thank you for your service to the RME community. I long time ago I wrote to RME several times asking them to create step by step tutorials just like Universal Audio did with their apollo twin tutorial (ruclips.net/video/-tKMgnkPxXY/видео.html) but I never got a reply. I felt that this tutorial was what everyone has been asking RME for. Basically Fab Dupont shows you step by step how to connect physical hardware with the software and vise versus. Would you be able to begin doing this for us as well? It would be great to see something like this, something showing us how to connect a compressor, monitors, UCX II etc for example and properly route it in cubase via totalmix and how to use it with totalmix . Thank you!
I have plans for the routing but can add the others at some point
@@BarryJohns awesome! Thank you so much! RME needs to hire you! Thank you!
Thanks!