@@penguin8711I think she know’s Aemond is a sociopath and this war is going to get a lot worse and I also think she is realizing she made a big mistake.
The director said the scene wasn't initially planned the way it was shown but Olivia impressed her so much with what she was doing she kept the camera on her. She's fantastic.
"i will conquer a cool castle and assert myself as viserys' heir and be an epic dragon king to make the people i love pay attention to me" is almost the exact same move he pulled with dragonstone in season 1, daemon is lashing out because he's frustrated he pushed himself away from rhaenyra and he's forced to confront his deepest insecurities. this is consistent with his previous behaviour.
some context for the daemon scenes, old wood (trees with faces) are said to contain the souls of the dead and the riverlans are full of old wood, so it's a nice touch that when he chops wood he hears screams as if chopping into the dead themselves, or that he has visions of his dead mother who he never knew, old wood are said to give visions, which they do in GOT to bran, but targaryens are especially susceptible to these visions as they are a mystical bloodline and are renowned to be dreamers (aegon the conqueror, viserys and haleana had dreams that prophesized the future), yet daemon always ridiculed his brother's affinity to dreams calling them 'silly dreams'. these visions kind of reflect his guilt and repressed feelings, he feels guilty for pushing raneyra to be what she is, for not honoring his promise to laena, for inspiring aemond to be what he is, he keeps trying to push a square into a circular hole by using force in whatever he does and now he is finally confronted with the consequences of his actions.
I love Jacaerys. He really secured important allies for Rhaenyra through diplomacy - The North, the Vale, and now the Freys. Smart boy. Truly a worthy heir
Everyone wants to be King, but Jace actually proves true kingship. Out of everyone, he has been the most successful at actually gaining alliances through diplomacy. He got the greybeards from Cregan Stark in the North, he got safety and support from Jeyne Arryn in the Vale, and now he's secured the crossing at the Twins from the Freys. He might be young and wants to fight, but he is also not so rash as to not understand the importance of diplomacy that even many adults do not seem to grasp. He would actually one day make a great king.
Daemon is being tested and it's a test that needs to happen for the character to either evolve or find redemption. Will he continue being self-sabotaged by his own ego and insecurities? Or will Daemon fully embody the loving brother and husband who is willing to put his life on the line for Rhaenyra? All the characters are essentially being tested - Alicent, Aemond, Aegon, Rhaenyra etc - will they become the worst versions of themselves in pursuit of the throne OR will they somehow successfully play the game of thrones without debasing their humanity?
Idk man every major character apart from rhaenyra maybe have done irredeemable crimes so just be the worst versions of yourself and end the damn war lmao
@@soahamtripathy2113 I'm not just here for a war - I'm watching the show to see "the human heart in conflict with itself" which is the essence of HOTD, GOT and ASOIAF. They've all done bad things as characters but they will get worse and that evolution has to emerge from internal conflict
@@soahamtripathy2113 Why did you seperate Rheanyra from the rest? She's done irredeemable things as well. Or does killing an innocent not make the cut?
@@rexibhazoboa7097little child? jaehaerys? that was damon. what she HAS done and SHOULD be held accountable for is the fact that she is singlehandedly responsible for the starvation going on in kings landing to which she is now setting ablaze essentially by inciting riots
The storyline involving Daemon and Alys Rivers, particularly the supernatural elements at Harrenhal, is both intriguing and well-executed. As a reader of the books, I find the portrayal of Alys Rivers by the actress to be exceptional. Her ability to hold her own alongside Matt Smith is impressive, and her performance effectively conveys the character's mysterious motivations and ambitions. This nuanced portrayal adds depth to the character, enhancing the overall narrative of the show.
Alicent isn't a good mother but I do think she loves her children. She steps in front of a dragon to protect Aegon in S1EP9 and she was the only one to defend Aemond after he lost his eye. I think she loves her children but is emotionally neglectful to her sons as was Viserys.
Another context about Daemon’s mother, Alyssa, being in that scene. Alyssa was said to be very h*rny as she and her husband were very enthusiastic about making kids. If the weirwoods are just recreating the dead as they were, it sorta makes sense its making Daemon hallucinate his mom as she was but instead hes in his dad’s place
@@t.c.thompson2359 blaming a mother for her son being a rapist is batshit crazy and quite insensitive to the real mothers out there whose sons turned out this way. And if anything the neglectful rapist father would be responsible, not the child bride.
@@alicentcoreyou’re ignoring the part where every other facet of Aegon’s being is a result of Alicent. Yes he’s a rapist, just like how Rhaenys was a mass murderer of civilians. Can we’ll all shut up about the Queen who never was being a girl boss now because she destroyed the lives of nearly a thousand innocent civilians just to make a scene? Whack
I don’t think you guys remarked on this- but I don’t think Criston saying “Sunfyre was long in the dying” actually means he’s dead. He notes that he left some men with him, bc even though Criston *thinks* he’s dying, he’s clinging to life so far. I’ve just seen this (imo) misunderstanding from a couple of different channels, so just wanted to throw it out there.
One of the little details that makes me like this series so much is that the Riverlands is immediately destroyed in any conflict. Place must have been burned down 5 times by now.
4:53 Well Ange, if we assumed the Maester is equivalent to a Consultant Doctor in our time, then I doubt he would feel nauseatic even if he was eating his lunch while doing all of this. 😂
There wasn't action this episode, but outside of that I'm surprised seeing so many people (you guys and then other people elsewhere) saying that this episode is boring. The scene of everyone disregarding Allicent and then ignoring and talking over her alone was one of the best of the season, let alone the rest of what was going on. Agree to disagree, but I'll take certain table setting episodes over action more often than not, because since GoT s1 that has been what this world is best at doing.
It really feels like Ange is less Team Black and more Team Daemon and has completely missed the point of his Harrenhal misadventures: not just that his way isn't working but that his ego has flared out of control and he refuses to accept it and change. It's literally him at the Stepstones where he ran off to fight the Crabfeeder because he got snubbed for Rhaenyra and wanted to win glory, only to be stalemated for years and not able to just flex his dragon and fight everyone until he got his way. And then he got the message from Viserys, beat the shit out of the messenger, and immediately sent himself into a suicide mission to force it to work or die trying. He's gone through the same here, making a dumb, rash thing, being scolded for it and feeling embarassed, then running off to win glory for himself by taking Harrenhal...only for him to meet no resistance. And now he's stuck again, being forced to deal with his ineptitudes and fruitless increasing desperation, hence him insisting on being called Your Grace and now My King. He can't get over it and the less he gets, the more he tries to force it. But he's finding out more and more the lessen Joffrey learned from Tywin: anyone who shouts "I am the king" is no true king. And more and more, it's shown that Daemon is a piss-poor political leader. But now he can't just rush himself into a kamikaze run and make it happen like he did in the Stepstones or else literally abandon the castle he made this big deal about taking, so now he has to come to terms with himself and realize this king shit isn't what's important right now. But right now, he's stuck trying to get that Crabfeeder's crown to take back to throne and prove his worth, but the only crown he can take now is on Aegon's head. Also about Alicent, I think the point with her speaking up was not just knowing what Aemond is about, but also the fact that she figured Aemond had something to do with Aegon and, thus, is a potential kin-slaying psycho. And to go along with it, the one trying to bring a degree of reason and possibly take back some power to de-escalate things - Aegon being in the shape he is after one dragon battle, Aemond almost certainly (in her mind) being willing to do that to his own brother, on top of her conversation with Rhaenyra...this was her one big bid to try to take the reins and stop or at least slow things as much as possible. Because she sees now, all too well, what this war means but she was right when she told Rhaenyra it was already too late.
Daemons struggling with being prince and again not the King. He's literally being haunted in his dreams by it. He's not just going to get over it in an episode. Just let him cook.
As much as I loathe Aegon for his deeds, I must admit he does waver my heart a little during this season. He's so complex as a character and even though he is a foul, disgusting being, I can't help but feel for him a little. In the end, he just wanted his mother's recognition and love. That little "Mommy..." at the end after Alicent left the room made me soft and sad. It does once again, bring in the tragic-ness of this entire dance. Tom, the actor who played Aegon is magnificent this season, he definitely blew my mind away with his performance.
Alicent has always cared about aegon. She was ready to die for him when rhaenys attacked during the coronation. She just has trouble showing him affection cause he is a horrible person. (R*pist)
I disagree that Daemon is being wasted. I find Harrenhal and how Daemon is handling it a fantastic exploration of his character. Harrenhal has been one of my favorite elements of the season so far, I hate that so many people hate it :(
@@anhkriva5274 Facing different sources of insecurities and fears is not repeating the same thing. Also he's claiming a castle and an entire region to his own name and cause, facing the problems and consciences of that. It's not like all he's doing is just dreaming, he's gathering an army and trying to take the Riverlands to rival both the blacks and the greens.
@@Shadi_WajedAnd more importantly, he's realizing he's pretty shit at the statesman part of rule. It's him repeating the Crabfeeder situation, can't just flex his dragon and fight it head on. He's a warrior and battle commander who is desperate to be king and gain the recognition and self-worth he ties to it, but the only thing he knows about leadership is force and fear - when all you have is a hammer, all your problems look like nails.
Seems like House Black and House Green are both starting to unravel. Rhaenyra and Alicent both angry about not having enough power to do what they want to, along with the loss of two dragons. Psycho Aemond has become a far bigger problem than Sir Criston Cole now. And Daemon is having hallucinations in Harrenhal Castle, along with the Riverlands wanting his blood.
The issue with Daemon this season is that in the book he's at Harrenhall for like half a year doing nothing so this is the show at least giving something for Matt Smith to do. A lot of the beginning of the conflict kind of happens around him and Rhaenyra.
I mean that has been obvious throughout the show he’s just so annoying to the point that people act like he’s on the level of evil as Joffrey. Like yes he’s a raging incel but there are far worse characters morally in GOT/HOTD.
@@donbebe6092 The woman with dark hair that Daemon was talking to in Harrenhal Castle seems strange. I don't think she's who or what she appears to be. Can anyone other than Daemon even see her?
daemon didn’t recognize the woman in his hallucination to be his mother until the last bit, why would he? his mother died when he was young, alys is projecting what she assumes his mother would look like. he looks quite alarmed/scared when he realizes that the woman calls him her son, again i don’t think it’s him actually wanting to bang his mom but an intense manipulation of his desires to be loved by his mother, by viserys, by others (honestly it would’ve made more sense if it was viserys instead of alyssa but alas). alys herself made a weird comment about daemon never knowing his mother which made it clear that she is using his weaknesses and guilt against him to maybe punish him for his misdeeds. his hallucinations are induced by alys. the words he’s hearing from his loved ones are his own words. for example he feels guilty for the negligence towards his daughter so he imagines laena questioning him about them. basically alys is plucking his weaknesses and anything that he secretly feels guilt about to use them against him daemon's harrenhal arc is by far the most interesting part of hotd season 2 in my opinion he’s not being wasted he’s just being peeled
3:23 great idea to show that what made your house so powerful can actually be killed and is not invincible like people believed 😂 Otto would have never allowed such stupidity 😅
At first I thought that Targaryen woman was Visery’s wife from Season 1 😳! Can’t wait to see Vermithor and Silverwing, the 2 oldest dragons along with Vhagar! 🔥
Has Ange ever done a video about his musical background and how he does the intros? like does he look up tabs and blend from there? does he just use his ear? has he got any theory knowledge that he applies to make it easier? stuff like that
I get the frustration with Daemon but also he needs some character development and self realization. I don’t think he’s being wasted. He can’t just kill and ride his dragon every episode. If this is how the books had it then so be it. There’s still a lot of season left.
@@CarlieAndAnge ….I don’t know lmao I’m just gonna chalk it up to abandonment issues shown to us in a very weird way. This is GRRM at the end of the day, the freak. I guess in the books he’s there for months doing absolutely nothing so I guess all the stuff we see here gives the actor something to do 🤷♂️
@@CarlieAndAnge he didn't realize that's his mother. Damon didn't knew his mother, he was hardly 3 when Alyssa Targaryen died. The woman in the vision doesn't even look like Alyssa but more like Daella Targaryen who was Daemon's aunt and Aemma Arryn's mother (Viserys's wife, that's why most audience mistook her for Aemma on first watch).
The small council scene was funny. Alicent shouldn’t be given to the regent role at all. Why should she? Aemond is the next in line. It is the order of things. It’s male premogeniture in Westeros. It was hypocritical for Viserys to give the succession to Rhaenyra int he first place if the whole reasons he became king over Rhaenys because the lords of Westeros wouldn’t have it and King Jaeharys knew it.
Ange seemed to be in a bad mood this episode. I also agree this episode was the weakest of the season but it's also coming off the high of last episode. It looks like more progress will be made next episode
I think you still dont get some of this characters. Daemon is not a lovely father who cares for his family. Also, He is doing what He did in season 1 with Dragonstone, "ruling". Pretty consistent to me, awful human being that just want to be called King. Alicent is no interested on ruling or whatever, She undertands how dangerous Aemond really is.
Seven Hells. If that's Alyssa? Baelon the Brave won the damn lottery. His tomboy little sis turned into a total bombshell! No wonder they couldn't keep their hands off each other. (Alyssa died when Daemon was three. She's the one he takes after, while Viserys took after Baelon more. He did get Baelon's fighting skill and dragonriding chops, though.)
Cole and Daemon fail at public relations in this episode. Daemon is not sure he is precisely on Rhaenyra's side, which somewhat explains his dithering.
Jesus, guys, have some patience. You just got a battle between 3 dragons, pacing needs to come down to build up again. It might seem unimportant but Daemon playing Luigi's Mansion is actually important for his character. In fact a lot of REALLY important things happened in this episode, but you're so mad it doesn't tell you right away that you're not seeing them when they're staring you right in the face.
I don't understand the critic here this was one of the best Episodes for me. Daemon in Harrenhal trippin IS Character development.... People just hate that he sucks in ruleing
Vermithor is King Jaehrys the king before Viserys Mount it was his Dragon Silverwing was Jaehrys wifes dragon so old big boy and big girl btw they are basically a married old dragon couple as they share the same cave system in dragon pit and Vermithor likes singing and trilling to Silverwing... that little grumble was probarbly him singing to her again lol... remember when Kreegan Stark told Jace that the queen tried to fly her dragon over the wall and the dragon refused yeah that was silverwing...... Vermithor and Silverwing got it on a lot in their prim under Jaehrys and his wife and made many clutches you can basically say 80-90% of the adult dragons are their kids or grandkids and they themselves are children of either Vhagar or Vhagars older much larger closer to Balerion in size sister that died in the war Meraxes kids so really when they say its a war of kin vs kin its not just the Targerians and Hightowers but the dragons too family killing family accross the board its NUTS but yeah Vermithor and Silverwing after their riders passed are basically the old retired couple in the retirement home lol
Criston expected cheering and in theory there should have been, just a few months ago Rhaenys and Meleys killed a bunch of citizens, which we see the people call the crown into question so they don't blindly follow without question so the people she have asked for justice and seeing that would have been so idk if the show writers just forgot or just don't care as long as they can pull down Cole more
There's nothing daemon is doing here that's out of place..... He's a man child that likes to "play king", he did the same thing when viserys cast him aside, taking dragon stone, naming himself king of the step stones..... He would rather rebuild harenhall so he can have a "castle" of his own than help rhaenyra... Even in season one, every battle he fought was always towards a selfish end
18:56 "I felt like that was the weakest one of the series." Ange echoing my immediate thought after the credits rolled. Not a bad episode, mind you, just nothing of note happened...
I have to agree with Ange about this episode. It was kind of a dud for me, which is super disappointing since we are only getting 8 episodes this season instead of 10.
I do think this season has had strange pacing overall, a lot of repetition, particularly with daemon, while there has been some development with him, I just hope that the end result is satisfying and they don't waste his character from now on. I also want to see Daeron on screen and for things to progress more. if Daemon ends up getting character assassinated I'll be soo disappointed even if I've been expecting it since Sara Hess showed her misunderstanding of Daemon's character
I thought the woman in Daemon's hallucination was Rhaenyra's mom.. and as much as I hate it, I was relieved to learn it was his mom instead 🤦♀ Talk about the lesser evil.. or the lesser disgusting
i feel like if rhaeynra goes to harrenhal and calls him out in front of the other riverlords he loses all his power, nobody likes and the only reason they are following him is because he does it in her name, if he doesnt summit to her most likely she inprison him for a while
This episode was the aftermath of the previous. Maybe that is why it seems like nothing happen, most of the trama have they beginning in episode 4. The other son of Alicent is Daeron. Why hanky-panky? Did you see heartstopper or is a way to call s*x?
Aegon's absence was so noticeable. He has been the most enjoyable character from the season. They need to spice up team black because they're soooo boring.
A good filler episode that develop the children of daemon and rhaenyra more. I still don’t understand y Alicent thinks she should be in charge during war times when all she wanted has been no violence and restraint. N daemon the great war general with no army lol Its a nice set up episode for future things to come, Team Green.
You know I don't think Daemon is getting those ravens. They have shown Simon coming to Daemon multiple times with raven scrolls and not once has one of them been from Rhaenyra. I think Alys is stopping them from reaching him.
I 100% agree with you, Alicent has become so unlikable this season. And she has some nerve to expect to be regent when she has more love for Rhaenyra than her own sons lol Honestly, the theme of "men bad, women good" is so forced. It's so sexist, innacurate, and annoying.
Seeing Alicent realising that when Viserys died all the power and influence she thought she had died with him. Maybe denying Rhaenyra was dumb now Alicent don't you think ? Rhaenyra could have taken the first stumbling steps to allow women more authority and more equal power to men.
I don't think it's that simple - Alicent has faced sexism and the patriarchy her entire life (she was literally a maritally raped child bride) and even then she held real power as regent when Viserys was sick, maintaining peace and stability in the realm. The problem now is that women in Westeros are not taught or conditioned for warfare - most do not know much about siege tactics, weaponry, raising and sustaining armies etc. Rhaenyra being queen wouldn't automatically chance this because she herself is facing the same undermining of her authority by the men of her own council. Patriarchy is Westeros goes beyond the choices of one singular women like Alicent.
@@andilezulu292 that's wrong, because visenya targaryen was a strong warrior and women can easily learn to do that as well, but alicent wants to keep serving men and I hope she's happy about it
" Imagine cheating on ur niece with ur mum" HAD ME DAS CARLIE LMAO
Olivia's performance during the small council scene was soooo good specially the part where she was having that silent panic attack , chefs kiss 💋
Yeah... Olivia is amazing. And you ask what is she thinking? Why is she panicking..
Maybe this was her last chance to lead and try to stop the war?
yeah she's doing a great job of showing the gradual breakdown of her mental state so far
@@penguin8711I think she know’s Aemond is a sociopath and this war is going to get a lot worse and I also think she is realizing she made a big mistake.
The director said the scene wasn't initially planned the way it was shown but Olivia impressed her so much with what she was doing she kept the camera on her. She's fantastic.
Amazing yes but that scene sucks like I want to see the council , not alicent
Cole has PTSD =Post Traumatic Seeing Dragons 😂😂😂
i missed aegon's humour in this episode
i think he will be in his villian arc now and we wont get anymore of his humor sadly.
Yeah he was really one the best characters to watch this season, sucks that he’s going to be incapacitated for a lot of episodes
@@warpedwhimsicalyea he will be up in ep 7 prob
"i will conquer a cool castle and assert myself as viserys' heir and be an epic dragon king to make the people i love pay attention to me" is almost the exact same move he pulled with dragonstone in season 1, daemon is lashing out because he's frustrated he pushed himself away from rhaenyra and he's forced to confront his deepest insecurities. this is consistent with his previous behaviour.
some context for the daemon scenes, old wood (trees with faces) are said to contain the souls of the dead and the riverlans are full of old wood, so it's a nice touch that when he chops wood he hears screams as if chopping into the dead themselves, or that he has visions of his dead mother who he never knew, old wood are said to give visions, which they do in GOT to bran, but targaryens are especially susceptible to these visions as they are a mystical bloodline and are renowned to be dreamers (aegon the conqueror, viserys and haleana had dreams that prophesized the future), yet daemon always ridiculed his brother's affinity to dreams calling them 'silly dreams'.
these visions kind of reflect his guilt and repressed feelings, he feels guilty for pushing raneyra to be what she is, for not honoring his promise to laena, for inspiring aemond to be what he is, he keeps trying to push a square into a circular hole by using force in whatever he does and now he is finally confronted with the consequences of his actions.
Daemond just casually focusing more on the side missions...
Daemond : 100% map explored😂😂
This was one of my favorite episodes , the character development was on point
I love Jacaerys. He really secured important allies for Rhaenyra through diplomacy - The North, the Vale, and now the Freys. Smart boy. Truly a worthy heir
Actually one of the better episodes of the season imo, felt like good development for Jace and Baela
Daemon been tweaking the whole season so far💀. Not beating the Luigi's Mansion allegations
Ain't no way you called the daemon side story Luigi's Mansion 😂
What an odd comment lol
Best part of the show
Daemon is lost in Whacky Warehouse.
Daemon really would rather go take psychedelics from a random witch than try and have a functional marriage
I think your reaction videos are very high quality regarding pretty much everything, it's a real treat watching.
Eyy thanks so much! Really appreciate it
Everyone wants to be King, but Jace actually proves true kingship. Out of everyone, he has been the most successful at actually gaining alliances through diplomacy. He got the greybeards from Cregan Stark in the North, he got safety and support from Jeyne Arryn in the Vale, and now he's secured the crossing at the Twins from the Freys. He might be young and wants to fight, but he is also not so rash as to not understand the importance of diplomacy that even many adults do not seem to grasp. He would actually one day make a great king.
The Green Council is already calling Aemond ''your grace'' instead of ''my prince''. Let's face it, he's the king they always wanted.
"Imagine cheating on your niece with your mom" I fucking lost it lol
Daemon is being tested and it's a test that needs to happen for the character to either evolve or find redemption. Will he continue being self-sabotaged by his own ego and insecurities? Or will Daemon fully embody the loving brother and husband who is willing to put his life on the line for Rhaenyra?
All the characters are essentially being tested - Alicent, Aemond, Aegon, Rhaenyra etc - will they become the worst versions of themselves in pursuit of the throne OR will they somehow successfully play the game of thrones without debasing their humanity?
Idk man every major character apart from rhaenyra maybe have done irredeemable crimes so just be the worst versions of yourself and end the damn war lmao
@@soahamtripathy2113 I'm not just here for a war - I'm watching the show to see "the human heart in conflict with itself" which is the essence of HOTD, GOT and ASOIAF. They've all done bad things as characters but they will get worse and that evolution has to emerge from internal conflict
@@soahamtripathy2113 Why did you seperate Rheanyra from the rest? She's done irredeemable things as well. Or does killing an innocent not make the cut?
@@rexibhazoboa7097little child? jaehaerys? that was damon.
what she HAS done and SHOULD be held accountable for is the fact that she is singlehandedly responsible for the starvation going on in kings landing to which she is now setting ablaze essentially by inciting riots
It may feel like Daemon is getting wasted but in the book he literally just disappears at harrenhal for a long while
The storyline involving Daemon and Alys Rivers, particularly the supernatural elements at Harrenhal, is both intriguing and well-executed. As a reader of the books, I find the portrayal of Alys Rivers by the actress to be exceptional. Her ability to hold her own alongside Matt Smith is impressive, and her performance effectively conveys the character's mysterious motivations and ambitions. This nuanced portrayal adds depth to the character, enhancing the overall narrative of the show.
To be fair Daemon was 3 when his mother died. So he really didn't know her.
Well now he knows her REALLY well
@@CarlieAndAnge too well some may say
Wasn't he 4?
@@Avatar1881-u7z nope
@@lumarrandom8144 Viserys would have been 7 right? since he's 4 years older than Daemon.
Alicent isn't a good mother but I do think she loves her children. She steps in front of a dragon to protect Aegon in S1EP9 and she was the only one to defend Aemond after he lost his eye. I think she loves her children but is emotionally neglectful to her sons as was Viserys.
Another context about Daemon’s mother, Alyssa, being in that scene. Alyssa was said to be very h*rny as she and her husband were very enthusiastic about making kids. If the weirwoods are just recreating the dead as they were, it sorta makes sense its making Daemon hallucinate his mom as she was but instead hes in his dad’s place
Brother & Sister ✅
Aunt & Nephew ✅
Uncle & Niece ✅
Mother & Son 🤯
Even by Targaeryen standards, incest between children/parents is considered abhorrent.
16:58 Alicent cares about all of her children. She just struggles to comfort them, especially Aegon, considering who he is.
Who he is, is her doing.
@@t.c.thompson2359 blaming a mother for her son being a rapist is batshit crazy and quite insensitive to the real mothers out there whose sons turned out this way. And if anything the neglectful rapist father would be responsible, not the child bride.
@@alicentcoreyou’re ignoring the part where every other facet of Aegon’s being is a result of Alicent. Yes he’s a rapist, just like how Rhaenys was a mass murderer of civilians. Can we’ll all shut up about the Queen who never was being a girl boss now because she destroyed the lives of nearly a thousand innocent civilians just to make a scene? Whack
I don’t think you guys remarked on this- but I don’t think Criston saying “Sunfyre was long in the dying” actually means he’s dead. He notes that he left some men with him, bc even though Criston *thinks* he’s dying, he’s clinging to life so far.
I’ve just seen this (imo) misunderstanding from a couple of different channels, so just wanted to throw it out there.
One of the little details that makes me like this series so much is that the Riverlands is immediately destroyed in any conflict. Place must have been burned down 5 times by now.
4:53 Well Ange, if we assumed the Maester is equivalent to a Consultant Doctor in our time, then I doubt he would feel nauseatic even if he was eating his lunch while doing all of this. 😂
There wasn't action this episode, but outside of that I'm surprised seeing so many people (you guys and then other people elsewhere) saying that this episode is boring. The scene of everyone disregarding Allicent and then ignoring and talking over her alone was one of the best of the season, let alone the rest of what was going on. Agree to disagree, but I'll take certain table setting episodes over action more often than not, because since GoT s1 that has been what this world is best at doing.
It really feels like Ange is less Team Black and more Team Daemon and has completely missed the point of his Harrenhal misadventures: not just that his way isn't working but that his ego has flared out of control and he refuses to accept it and change. It's literally him at the Stepstones where he ran off to fight the Crabfeeder because he got snubbed for Rhaenyra and wanted to win glory, only to be stalemated for years and not able to just flex his dragon and fight everyone until he got his way. And then he got the message from Viserys, beat the shit out of the messenger, and immediately sent himself into a suicide mission to force it to work or die trying.
He's gone through the same here, making a dumb, rash thing, being scolded for it and feeling embarassed, then running off to win glory for himself by taking Harrenhal...only for him to meet no resistance. And now he's stuck again, being forced to deal with his ineptitudes and fruitless increasing desperation, hence him insisting on being called Your Grace and now My King. He can't get over it and the less he gets, the more he tries to force it. But he's finding out more and more the lessen Joffrey learned from Tywin: anyone who shouts "I am the king" is no true king. And more and more, it's shown that Daemon is a piss-poor political leader. But now he can't just rush himself into a kamikaze run and make it happen like he did in the Stepstones or else literally abandon the castle he made this big deal about taking, so now he has to come to terms with himself and realize this king shit isn't what's important right now. But right now, he's stuck trying to get that Crabfeeder's crown to take back to throne and prove his worth, but the only crown he can take now is on Aegon's head.
Also about Alicent, I think the point with her speaking up was not just knowing what Aemond is about, but also the fact that she figured Aemond had something to do with Aegon and, thus, is a potential kin-slaying psycho. And to go along with it, the one trying to bring a degree of reason and possibly take back some power to de-escalate things - Aegon being in the shape he is after one dragon battle, Aemond almost certainly (in her mind) being willing to do that to his own brother, on top of her conversation with Rhaenyra...this was her one big bid to try to take the reins and stop or at least slow things as much as possible. Because she sees now, all too well, what this war means but she was right when she told Rhaenyra it was already too late.
Daemons struggling with being prince and again not the King. He's literally being haunted in his dreams by it. He's not just going to get over it in an episode. Just let him cook.
As much as I loathe Aegon for his deeds, I must admit he does waver my heart a little during this season. He's so complex as a character and even though he is a foul, disgusting being, I can't help but feel for him a little. In the end, he just wanted his mother's recognition and love. That little "Mommy..." at the end after Alicent left the room made me soft and sad. It does once again, bring in the tragic-ness of this entire dance. Tom, the actor who played Aegon is magnificent this season, he definitely blew my mind away with his performance.
Alicent has always cared about aegon. She was ready to die for him when rhaenys attacked during the coronation. She just has trouble showing him affection cause he is a horrible person. (R*pist)
loved this episode and a great reaction
I disagree that Daemon is being wasted. I find Harrenhal and how Daemon is handling it a fantastic exploration of his character. Harrenhal has been one of my favorite elements of the season so far, I hate that so many people hate it :(
Exactly. I don't understand people complaining about character development.
@@Shadi_Wajed I don't know if repeating the same thing over and over again can be called development.
@@anhkriva5274 Facing different sources of insecurities and fears is not repeating the same thing. Also he's claiming a castle and an entire region to his own name and cause, facing the problems and consciences of that. It's not like all he's doing is just dreaming, he's gathering an army and trying to take the Riverlands to rival both the blacks and the greens.
@@Shadi_WajedAnd more importantly, he's realizing he's pretty shit at the statesman part of rule. It's him repeating the Crabfeeder situation, can't just flex his dragon and fight it head on. He's a warrior and battle commander who is desperate to be king and gain the recognition and self-worth he ties to it, but the only thing he knows about leadership is force and fear - when all you have is a hammer, all your problems look like nails.
Team Green did a terrible mistake showing that dragons aren't invincible.
Seems like House Black and House Green are both starting to unravel. Rhaenyra and Alicent both angry about not having enough power to do what they want to, along with the loss of two dragons. Psycho Aemond has become a far bigger problem than Sir Criston Cole now. And Daemon is having hallucinations in Harrenhal Castle, along with the Riverlands wanting his blood.
The issue with Daemon this season is that in the book he's at Harrenhall for like half a year doing nothing so this is the show at least giving something for Matt Smith to do. A lot of the beginning of the conflict kind of happens around him and Rhaenyra.
Daemon has been the most interesting when he's been struggling. I find him a LOT more intriguing here than in season 1 tbh.
Seems that Sir Criston does have a conscious and some morals after all.
I mean that has been obvious throughout the show he’s just so annoying to the point that people act like he’s on the level of evil as Joffrey. Like yes he’s a raging incel but there are far worse characters morally in GOT/HOTD.
@@donbebe6092 - He hasn't been an incel for some time now.
@@RullVox I know I was mostly joking lol
@@donbebe6092 The woman with dark hair that Daemon was talking to in Harrenhal Castle seems strange. I don't think she's who or what she appears to be. Can anyone other than Daemon even see her?
daemon didn’t recognize the woman in his hallucination to be his mother until the last bit, why would he? his mother died when he was young, alys is projecting what she assumes his mother would look like. he looks quite alarmed/scared when he realizes that the woman calls him her son, again i don’t think it’s him actually wanting to bang his mom but an intense manipulation of his desires to be loved by his mother, by viserys, by others (honestly it would’ve made more sense if it was viserys instead of alyssa but alas).
alys herself made a weird comment about daemon never knowing his mother which made it clear that she is using his weaknesses and guilt against him to maybe punish him for his misdeeds. his hallucinations are induced by alys. the words he’s hearing from his loved ones are his own words. for example he feels guilty for the negligence towards his daughter so he imagines laena questioning him about them. basically alys is plucking his weaknesses and anything that he secretly feels guilt about to use them against him
daemon's harrenhal arc is by far the most interesting part of hotd season 2 in my opinion he’s not being wasted he’s just being peeled
Finally someone who explains it clearly.
3:23 great idea to show that what made your house so powerful can actually be killed and is not invincible like people believed 😂 Otto would have never allowed such stupidity 😅
Meleys was the Dragon of King Viserys and Daemon’s mother. Ironically, their father flew Vhagar, while Rhaenys’s father flew Caraxes
I love knowing about all the dragon lore. But I’m always afraid to look it up online because I don’t want any spoilers.
At first I thought that Targaryen woman was Visery’s wife from Season 1 😳! Can’t wait to see Vermithor and Silverwing, the 2 oldest dragons along with Vhagar! 🔥
Has Ange ever done a video about his musical background and how he does the intros? like does he look up tabs and blend from there? does he just use his ear? has he got any theory knowledge that he applies to make it easier? stuff like that
I thought we needed this episode. After last weeks huge episode
To be fair, Daemon actually doesn't do anything significant at this point in time even in the books.
Daemon is truly his own MutFker!
I get the frustration with Daemon but also he needs some character development and self realization. I don’t think he’s being wasted. He can’t just kill and ride his dragon every episode. If this is how the books had it then so be it. There’s still a lot of season left.
I get that, and touched on it a bit in the episode. The portrayal of him seems a bit weird though. What in the world was that scene with his mum…?
@@CarlieAndAnge ….I don’t know lmao I’m just gonna chalk it up to abandonment issues shown to us in a very weird way. This is GRRM at the end of the day, the freak. I guess in the books he’s there for months doing absolutely nothing so I guess all the stuff we see here gives the actor something to do 🤷♂️
@@saakha11GRRM didn't write the mom incest sht man it's completely the show writers
@@CarlieAndAngethat's just him being demented by alyss though 🤷🏿♂️
@@CarlieAndAnge he didn't realize that's his mother. Damon didn't knew his mother, he was hardly 3 when Alyssa Targaryen died. The woman in the vision doesn't even look like Alyssa but more like Daella Targaryen who was Daemon's aunt and Aemma Arryn's mother (Viserys's wife, that's why most audience mistook her for Aemma on first watch).
I Ange knows daemon doesnt know what his mother looked like. Its the castle messing with him. He isnt actually cheating
The small council scene was funny. Alicent shouldn’t be given to the regent role at all. Why should she? Aemond is the next in line. It is the order of things. It’s male premogeniture in Westeros. It was hypocritical for Viserys to give the succession to Rhaenyra int he first place if the whole reasons he became king over Rhaenys because the lords of Westeros wouldn’t have it and King Jaeharys knew it.
Ya’ll really be removing any scene where Daemon gets told off. 🤣
Lmao that was just coincidence. We just didn’t really say anything so those scenes were cut. We try to keep the majority of our commentary in!
@@CarlieAndAngelight teasing, love the channel and keep it up.
Haha we know! We can see that it looks deliberate especially after our discussion 😆 Just wanted to clarify
Ange you don’t look happy. I really loved this episode, only 8 episodes this season.
The scene where they parade the head of meleys in the streets is very important for futur events
Ange seemed to be in a bad mood this episode. I also agree this episode was the weakest of the season but it's also coming off the high of last episode. It looks like more progress will be made next episode
I think you still dont get some of this characters.
Daemon is not a lovely father who cares for his family. Also, He is doing what He did in season 1 with Dragonstone, "ruling". Pretty consistent to me, awful human being that just want to be called King.
Alicent is no interested on ruling or whatever, She undertands how dangerous Aemond really is.
15:40 come on that was a dream made by Alys Rivers probably.
In episode 3 Helene forgave her mother alicent because she knew her talking down onto Aegon is the reason he flew to battle and got burnt.
Aemond best caracter 💚
Final Boss 💚💚🐉🐉
Aegon IMO, but the greens do have almost all the actually compelling characters.
Seven Hells. If that's Alyssa? Baelon the Brave won the damn lottery. His tomboy little sis turned into a total bombshell! No wonder they couldn't keep their hands off each other.
(Alyssa died when Daemon was three. She's the one he takes after, while Viserys took after Baelon more. He did get Baelon's fighting skill and dragonriding chops, though.)
Cole and Daemon fail at public relations in this episode.
Daemon is not sure he is precisely on Rhaenyra's side, which somewhat explains his dithering.
Jesus, guys, have some patience. You just got a battle between 3 dragons, pacing needs to come down to build up again.
It might seem unimportant but Daemon playing Luigi's Mansion is actually important for his character.
In fact a lot of REALLY important things happened in this episode, but you're so mad it doesn't tell you right away that you're not seeing them when they're staring you right in the face.
i expected Daemon to laugh finding out Rhaenys died and say "i told u so". He told her in episode two jump Vhagar now look at her.
8 episodes this season actually
I don't understand the critic here this was one of the best Episodes for me. Daemon in Harrenhal trippin IS Character development.... People just hate that he sucks in ruleing
Aegon and sunfyre with the clutch
Vermithor is King Jaehrys the king before Viserys Mount it was his Dragon Silverwing was Jaehrys wifes dragon so old big boy and big girl btw they are basically a married old dragon couple as they share the same cave system in dragon pit and Vermithor likes singing and trilling to Silverwing... that little grumble was probarbly him singing to her again lol... remember when Kreegan Stark told Jace that the queen tried to fly her dragon over the wall and the dragon refused yeah that was silverwing...... Vermithor and Silverwing got it on a lot in their prim under Jaehrys and his wife and made many clutches you can basically say 80-90% of the adult dragons are their kids or grandkids and they themselves are children of either Vhagar or Vhagars older much larger closer to Balerion in size sister that died in the war Meraxes kids so really when they say its a war of kin vs kin its not just the Targerians and Hightowers but the dragons too family killing family accross the board its NUTS but yeah Vermithor and Silverwing after their riders passed are basically the old retired couple in the retirement home lol
Criston expected cheering and in theory there should have been, just a few months ago Rhaenys and Meleys killed a bunch of citizens, which we see the people call the crown into question so they don't blindly follow without question so the people she have asked for justice and seeing that would have been so idk if the show writers just forgot or just don't care as long as they can pull down Cole more
There's nothing daemon is doing here that's out of place..... He's a man child that likes to "play king", he did the same thing when viserys cast him aside, taking dragon stone, naming himself king of the step stones..... He would rather rebuild harenhall so he can have a "castle" of his own than help rhaenyra... Even in season one, every battle he fought was always towards a selfish end
18:56 "I felt like that was the weakest one of the series." Ange echoing my immediate thought after the credits rolled.
Not a bad episode, mind you, just nothing of note happened...
Who even in the hell needs that mother and son scene? That's not necessary.
Alicent would be horrible ruler like how can you not see that ?
I have to agree with Ange about this episode. It was kind of a dud for me, which is super disappointing since we are only getting 8 episodes this season instead of 10.
I do think this season has had strange pacing overall, a lot of repetition, particularly with daemon, while there has been some development with him, I just hope that the end result is satisfying and they don't waste his character from now on. I also want to see Daeron on screen and for things to progress more. if Daemon ends up getting character assassinated I'll be soo disappointed even if I've been expecting it since Sara Hess showed her misunderstanding of Daemon's character
Daemon was asked if he wanted duck or goose but I think he was more in the mood for fish.
I thought the woman in Daemon's hallucination was Rhaenyra's mom.. and as much as I hate it, I was relieved to learn it was his mom instead 🤦♀ Talk about the lesser evil.. or the lesser disgusting
i feel like if rhaeynra goes to harrenhal and calls him out in front of the other riverlords he loses all his power, nobody likes and the only reason they are following him is because he does it in her name, if he doesnt summit to her most likely she inprison him for a while
This episode was the aftermath of the previous. Maybe that is why it seems like nothing happen, most of the trama have they beginning in episode 4. The other son of Alicent is Daeron.
Why hanky-panky? Did you see heartstopper or is a way to call s*x?
Aegon's absence was so noticeable. He has been the most enjoyable character from the season. They need to spice up team black because they're soooo boring.
Oshi no Ko 2nd season its comming here? 2 episode already out
A good filler episode that develop the children of daemon and rhaenyra more. I still don’t understand y Alicent thinks she should be in charge during war times when all she wanted has been no violence and restraint. N daemon the great war general with no army lol Its a nice set up episode for future things to come, Team Green.
There are only 8 episodes for season 2 fyi
You know I don't think Daemon is getting those ravens. They have shown Simon coming to Daemon multiple times with raven scrolls and not once has one of them been from Rhaenyra. I think Alys is stopping them from reaching him.
I'm kaaely ...wtf why make always laugh.
I 100% agree with you, Alicent has become so unlikable this season. And she has some nerve to expect to be regent when she has more love for Rhaenyra than her own sons lol
Honestly, the theme of "men bad, women good" is so forced. It's so sexist, innacurate, and annoying.
daemon's hallucinations been a drag to watch.
Seeing Alicent realising that when Viserys died all the power and influence she thought she had died with him. Maybe denying Rhaenyra was dumb now Alicent don't you think ? Rhaenyra could have taken the first stumbling steps to allow women more authority and more equal power to men.
I don't think it's that simple - Alicent has faced sexism and the patriarchy her entire life (she was literally a maritally raped child bride) and even then she held real power as regent when Viserys was sick, maintaining peace and stability in the realm. The problem now is that women in Westeros are not taught or conditioned for warfare - most do not know much about siege tactics, weaponry, raising and sustaining armies etc. Rhaenyra being queen wouldn't automatically chance this because she herself is facing the same undermining of her authority by the men of her own council. Patriarchy is Westeros goes beyond the choices of one singular women like Alicent.
@@andilezulu292 that's wrong, because visenya targaryen was a strong warrior and women can easily learn to do that as well, but alicent wants to keep serving men and I hope she's happy about it
Rhaenyra fights for her own claim to survive, she doesn't care about other women, if you read the book you would know.
That's Rhaenyra NOT daenerys.
Chill woman it's fiction. Whom are you trying to show all this cringeworthy sass?
@@jamien368 gurl the same people who wrote the book were men ffs 😭 learn some logic
They are going slow on purpose to milk the series to 5 seasons
Why don't you watch the boys ? I hope you react to this series ❤❤❤ like .if you want to see this reaction
I really dont like Allicent
today's episode boils down to: I hope the next dragonrider is cool.
This harrenhal things takes far too long… and daemon seems wasted in the show
I'd say it's the most interesting he's ever been, realising that how limited his talents are
it's good character development for daemon
Hehe wait a bit longer when shit hits the fan
idk, I'm loving every single bit of it
In the books there is nothing with Daemon at this time so this is much more than you would think. And how is he wasted?
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