I play very tight. Only premiums. Usually donks there and you will get action once you hit. Literally the worst strategy in any other game. But it works in the low stakes amateur cash games.
If we're supposed to be raising 2.5 - 3.5 bbs at 1-2 live cash games then we need more content on how to play hands with 7 players calling raises pre flop.
My thoughts exactly. I don't know who on Jonathon's team is posting these videos on his behalf, but someone needs to intervene on this one. This same one has been posted several times over the past year or two, and it is obvious they have not played 1/2 or 1/3 in decades.
I don't think Jonathon has played 1/2 for a very very long time. If you open to $5 you will literally be facing 7 callers from early position at an 8 handed table. I am always amazed at what people will do at 1/2 and 1/3 tables. I will routinely raise 4 or 5 preflop limpers to $30 and every single one of them will call that raise with any 2 cards. You heard right they will Limp/Call $30 with a $200 stack. As a general rule I keep increasing my RFI bet size until I get 2 or less callers. Where I generally play that is around $16 at 1/3. So I think it is important to raise larger and play a pretty tight range.
Personally, if a limper 3-bets me, I'm only calling with suited broadway, pocket pairs, and depending on the player and the size of his raise, maybe some non-broadway suited connectors or aces/kings if the odds are decent. I'm assuming there will be a very chunky c-bet regardless of the flop, and I'm looking to toss it when I miss, and stack him when I don't. But even then, only if both of us are deep enough to make the hits outweigh the misses.
Oh, and AA. If I get limp-raised with AA, I call, then shove against his c-bet. Unless it's a crazy tight player who would only ever do that with KK QQ, AK suited - and then I just 4-bet all in preflop.
Jonathan if you look at the Dunning-Kruger effect graph of confidence vs competence... through your content I have crested the peak of Mount Stupid and am firmly in the pit of the Valley of Despair as I'm realizing how LITTLE I actually know about poker. Problem is I feel like I've lost my mojo and can't bring myself to play confidently knowing how suboptimally I am playing and leaking chips. Any tips for moving past this? Warm regards from New Zealand 😊
I play slightly higher limits (5/10) I bet enough to get a maximum of 2 callers. If you get too many callers you must hit to win. You miss 2/3 of the time.
Absolutely in no way agree with the preflop sizing. Why would getting someone to call a 10x raise with 2 random cards when you have KK be bad? Do you think people are overfolding to a 10x open or do you think it's going to fold around when you have 5 limpers to you and you make it 20 to go on the button?
If the game is deeper than 100BB should we increase the RFI raise size? Generally I raise to $10 in the 1/2 game at Texas card house. In that game we can buyin for $300 or 150BB.
What are you talking about, donk? I said, if you only raise to $5 pre @ a $1-$3 cash game, you’re going to get 5 or 6 callers. Even with AA your equity goes way the fuck down when you’re getting that many callers, donk. It’s not a great thing to constantly be going 5-6 ways pre. Hence why we “iso” raise. Get it now?
In smaller stakes, People limp with any two cards, and then call a raise even with something like 4 6 off suit. My pocket Aces got cracked by 9 6 suited in a 4 bet pot last weekend. And the worst part is, I wasn't even surprised. A 2.5 times raise is not gonna fold any hand in a £1/£2 game.
The only advantage of opening for $6 pre flop in 1/2 with a premium hand would be to get a 3 bet so you can 4 bet. You will be folding premium hands more often if you only bet 3x($6) bb in $1/2 nl tables.
People make it 5bb in the room I work at because of they get called pre there's enough money in the pot for them to qualify for high hand monte carlo and bbjp bonuses. I still make it 3bb typically.
Because they call such large raises wouldn’t it be more punishing and a bigger error on their part to make them pay more money when you have a significant equity advantage? I find 1/2 live players are so inelastic if they call $5 pre they will call $15-$20. And don’t we want to bloat the pot in those scenarios? Oftentimes $5 opens gets the whole table and significantly reduces any equity advantage we have because it’s so multiway. I mean aces is just 20ish percent then. I feel like we thin out a few and let the ones who call get in there consistently with KJo calling 5-10x opens when your range crushes them really exploits the pool more. Maybe I’m wrong and I should try the small bet approach. Online I follow the 2.5x open but live I feel it’s a whole different game and I want to punish them by making them put more money in when they are way behind equity wise. Just my thoughts and obviously I value your opinion and think you’re a world class player. Curious to hear your thoughts?
as much as i respect jonathan, i agree...if fishy 1/2 or 1/3 players are playing garbage for 5-7x raises when i have aces (among other good hands), why wouldn't i want to play bigger pots?
these videos and charts are starting points. they are a good way to start at the table, then adjust accordingly as you learn what the players are doing. that is what jonathan always says. adjust your play to take advantage of your opponents' mistakes
correct you should adjust to what your opponents do wrong, his sizings are what GTO says to do not exploitative at all. If players call trash for large and you play good ranges then by all means raise bigger.
If they overvalue their hands, just play tighter and re-raise 5x (25BB) and hopefully you have 60%+ equity in the pot. It's boring but also easy to win at those tables.
Dont call the open , 3x ip 4.5x sb 3.5x bb the raise plus however much else is in pot already, this will isolate to HU or 3 way . Be patient and play strong hands if everyone seems to be playing everyhand . Take "just call" out of your game when playing at a table so loose and fishy. Be the aggressive tight player who has it when they all enter pot after pot with loose marginal holdings and junk .
At no point in any of Jonathan's videos do you see the hero dealing with 6 players with a premium hand. That's what you will get betting 3x bb in 1/2 nl game. The range on a $1/2 is still pretty wide with a $12/15 pre flop bet.
Here in Texas, folks raise $12-15 a lot of the time pre flop. $30 an hour is pretty low. I played an average 1/2 game yesterday for 3.5 hr and left Up $450.
I remain unconvinced about the pre flop sizing. Raising to 5 and getting 6 callers is just not better than raising asing to 12 and getting 3 callers. Same amount of money in the pot, greater equity. I just don’t see how having less equity in the same size pot can be an advantage.
You’re risking 5 to win 35 when your odds are higher of making the best hand. It’s simple math. You only have to win the hand 14% of the time for it to be profitable and you will prob win closer to 25-30% of the time when raising with a stronger range than your opponents.
It's tough to get charts and solves for every possible scenario. You are much better off learning what adjustments you need to make as the dynamics of the game change.
@@PokerCoaching Yea it can be mathematically ok and ok for your bank roll. But if everyone played perfectly like a bot then its not ok because the games would die out. Its ok in some super rare spots to fold aces during a tournament too. But it wouldnt be ok in a lot of home games on sheer principles
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What is your #1 strategy for $1/$2 Cash Games?
Play TAG, find more raises/check raises
3 bet more and call less rivers
Bet bet bet with ok hands and a small number of bluffs
Raise to $15 preflop with K J off UTG with plans of calling a $100 3 bet.
I play very tight. Only premiums. Usually donks there and you will get action once you hit. Literally the worst strategy in any other game. But it works in the low stakes amateur cash games.
If we're supposed to be raising 2.5 - 3.5 bbs at 1-2 live cash games then we need more content on how to play hands with 7 players calling raises pre flop.
My thoughts exactly. I don't know who on Jonathon's team is posting these videos on his behalf, but someone needs to intervene on this one. This same one has been posted several times over the past year or two, and it is obvious they have not played 1/2 or 1/3 in decades.
My standard raise in 1/3 is $12 and I still get too many callers.
Exactly LOL I think he needs to go to a casino and play 1-2 before making a video about it. Unless he means online
@@filmplayer333 yeah online $1/$2 is tough. On WSOP and ACR. Other sites I don’t know.
I think if yall are getting a lot of callers, that’s a good thing! Tighten up and take their money when they want to call.
Took 4th in a $55 12.5k last night for $1247. Prepared by watching JL strategy and chart videos. Thank you JL. keep em coming
I don't think Jonathon has played 1/2 for a very very long time. If you open to $5 you will literally be facing 7 callers from early position at an 8 handed table. I am always amazed at what people will do at 1/2 and 1/3 tables. I will routinely raise 4 or 5 preflop limpers to $30 and every single one of them will call that raise with any 2 cards. You heard right they will Limp/Call $30 with a $200 stack. As a general rule I keep increasing my RFI bet size until I get 2 or less callers. Where I generally play that is around $16 at 1/3. So I think it is important to raise larger and play a pretty tight range.
I agee with you 100 percent
Agreed 100%
I was thinking the exact same thing..... 90% of his videos I agree with.... this one not so much! As far as pre flop.... I play 1/3 though
of course, raise it up if people are trying to see a flop light
You're playing too loose bud.
Personally, if a limper 3-bets me, I'm only calling with suited broadway, pocket pairs, and depending on the player and the size of his raise, maybe some non-broadway suited connectors or aces/kings if the odds are decent. I'm assuming there will be a very chunky c-bet regardless of the flop, and I'm looking to toss it when I miss, and stack him when I don't.
But even then, only if both of us are deep enough to make the hits outweigh the misses.
Oh, and AA. If I get limp-raised with AA, I call, then shove against his c-bet. Unless it's a crazy tight player who would only ever do that with KK QQ, AK suited - and then I just 4-bet all in preflop.
Jonathan if you look at the Dunning-Kruger effect graph of confidence vs competence... through your content I have crested the peak of Mount Stupid and am firmly in the pit of the Valley of Despair as I'm realizing how LITTLE I actually know about poker. Problem is I feel like I've lost my mojo and can't bring myself to play confidently knowing how suboptimally I am playing and leaking chips. Any tips for moving past this? Warm regards from New Zealand 😊
Yes. Study a ton! Proper preparation prevents a poor performance!
Does not apply in Texas. Raise to $5, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Exactly 1/2 plays like 2/5 standard open 15😂
I play in Texas and we are deeper than 100BB, so I assume raise sizes should be larger. I usually raise to $10 first in.
I'm in miami smh. Sometimes u have to pay 30 to see the flop with suited connectors lmao 😂
Just find the sweet spot 🎉 they will call!
@joshuamcmenimen22 same in Missouri and Vegas. Sometimes $12 and rarely less then that.
I play slightly higher limits (5/10) I bet enough to get a maximum of 2 callers. If you get too many callers you must hit to win. You miss 2/3 of the time.
Absolutely in no way agree with the preflop sizing. Why would getting someone to call a 10x raise with 2 random cards when you have KK be bad? Do you think people are overfolding to a 10x open or do you think it's going to fold around when you have 5 limpers to you and you make it 20 to go on the button?
Completely agree.Other than exploits for megafish tho, this isna good guide for average spots
I think it’s dependent on the opponents. If they are willing to put the money in with mediocre hands preflop I say make them pay the premium.
If the game is deeper than 100BB should we increase the RFI raise size? Generally I raise to $10 in the 1/2 game at Texas card house. In that game we can buyin for $300 or 150BB.
Yea there's no way you can raise $6 in Texas. At the Lodge the entire table will call blind.
@@canubeetquad im moving to texas asap this is a gold mine for poker.
The $5 open is getting 5-6 callers in most live cash games. Not exactly sure why you want want to just go a size that actually thins the field.
So you’re getting 6-1 with prob the strongest hand out of them all? How is this a bad thing?
What are you talking about, donk? I said, if you only raise to $5 pre @ a $1-$3 cash game, you’re going to get 5 or 6 callers. Even with AA your equity goes way the fuck down when you’re getting that many callers, donk. It’s not a great thing to constantly be going 5-6 ways pre. Hence why we “iso” raise. Get it now?
@@Jacob-ud9fe says the guy who doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about 😂
Mr.Little......👍🏻... great video !
Glad you enjoyed it!
What should be the sizing for raising in UTG-LJ?
In smaller stakes, People limp with any two cards, and then call a raise even with something like 4 6 off suit. My pocket Aces got cracked by 9 6 suited in a 4 bet pot last weekend. And the worst part is, I wasn't even surprised.
A 2.5 times raise is not gonna fold any hand in a £1/£2 game.
You r to good think I need to start learning soon because people are getting way better poker was so easy ten years ago lol
That's true. Times are constantly changing!
The only advantage of opening for $6 pre flop in 1/2 with a premium hand would be to get a 3 bet so you can 4 bet.
You will be folding premium hands more often if you only bet 3x($6) bb in $1/2 nl tables.
People make it 5bb in the room I work at because of they get called pre there's enough money in the pot for them to qualify for high hand monte carlo and bbjp bonuses. I still make it 3bb typically.
Because they call such large raises wouldn’t it be more punishing and a bigger error on their part to make them pay more money when you have a significant equity advantage? I find 1/2 live players are so inelastic if they call $5 pre they will call $15-$20. And don’t we want to bloat the pot in those scenarios? Oftentimes $5 opens gets the whole table and significantly reduces any equity advantage we have because it’s so multiway. I mean aces is just 20ish percent then. I feel like we thin out a few and let the ones who call get in there consistently with KJo calling 5-10x opens when your range crushes them really exploits the pool more. Maybe I’m wrong and I should try the small bet approach. Online I follow the 2.5x open but live I feel it’s a whole different game and I want to punish them by making them put more money in when they are way behind equity wise. Just my thoughts and obviously I value your opinion and think you’re a world class player. Curious to hear your thoughts?
as much as i respect jonathan, i agree...if fishy 1/2 or 1/3 players are playing garbage for 5-7x raises when i have aces (among other good hands), why wouldn't i want to play bigger pots?
@StevoKpop seems like he's talking about high level gameplay, not tables filled with fish who like to splash
@@haydenw.9809 yeah but high level gameplay doesn't exist at 99% of $1/$2 cash games lol
these videos and charts are starting points. they are a good way to start at the table, then adjust accordingly as you learn what the players are doing. that is what jonathan always says. adjust your play to take advantage of your opponents' mistakes
correct you should adjust to what your opponents do wrong, his sizings are what GTO says to do not exploitative at all. If players call trash for large and you play good ranges then by all means raise bigger.
If the entire table except me is raising to 5x the big blind do i want to play a tighter range when thinking about calling the raise?
If they overvalue their hands, just play tighter and re-raise 5x (25BB) and hopefully you have 60%+ equity in the pot.
It's boring but also easy to win at those tables.
Dont call the open , 3x ip 4.5x sb 3.5x bb the raise plus however much else is in pot already, this will isolate to HU or 3 way . Be patient and play strong hands if everyone seems to be playing everyhand . Take "just call" out of your game when playing at a table so loose and fishy. Be the aggressive tight player who has it when they all enter pot after pot with loose marginal holdings and junk .
Yes, play tighter and crush them with strong, linear hands.
Ty sir
It's my pleasure!
local poker club opens are like $15 lol for 1/2
At no point in any of Jonathan's videos do you see the hero dealing with 6 players with a premium hand. That's what you will get betting 3x bb in 1/2 nl game.
The range on a $1/2 is still pretty wide with a $12/15 pre flop bet.
should I play in a game that only allows 50bb buy ins
If you want to. It's probably not the best for maximum EV.
@@PokerCoaching I’ll probably switch casinos then thank you for the advice
Here in Texas, folks raise $12-15 a lot of the time pre flop. $30 an hour is pretty low. I played an average 1/2 game yesterday for 3.5 hr and left Up $450.
What’s your average/hr?
I remain unconvinced about the pre flop sizing.
Raising to 5 and getting 6 callers is just not better than raising asing to 12 and getting 3 callers.
Same amount of money in the pot, greater equity. I just don’t see how having less equity in the same size pot can be an advantage.
Gotcha!
You can’t raise to $5 EP anywhere without getting 5+ callers every time.. which can’t be good no matter the range advantage
Does not apply in Los Angeles. Nobody folds to $5 raise. Especially at Commerce
Raising $5 and getting 6 callers seems asinine
You’re risking 5 to win 35 when your odds are higher of making the best hand. It’s simple math. You only have to win the hand 14% of the time for it to be profitable and you will prob win closer to 25-30% of the time when raising with a stronger range than your opponents.
Also when you get 3-bet from a tight player and your hand is in the weaker of your range you can just fold losing only 5$
Then give us the charts for 5 or 6 bb of rake
Don't give us charts for no rake and tell us to adjust
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It's tough to get charts and solves for every possible scenario. You are much better off learning what adjustments you need to make as the dynamics of the game change.
Christ folding queens and jacks preflop should be illegal. i dont even wanna play if people are doing that
In some scenarios it's probably okay, haha.
@@PokerCoaching Yea it can be mathematically ok and ok for your bank roll. But if everyone played perfectly like a bot then its not ok because the games would die out. Its ok in some super rare spots to fold aces during a tournament too. But it wouldnt be ok in a lot of home games on sheer principles
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@29:46 69 suited? nice.
Also lf you are out of luck you will lose.
That's true in the short term!
Comment section arguing raise sizes need to listen to the first minute and a half of this video.
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