Asian Masculinity, Feminity, and Racism with @oliSUNvia
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"Not being an avatar for your phenotype" is such a great way to critique race identity in America. There's no way to perform race that isn't upholding the racist status quo
It made me think about a tweet I responded to on twitter literally today. I wish I could post screenshot but it was blk ppl partying in the streets of Atlanta riding horses and dancing in the streets and this blk dude was upset talking bout "Y'all not ashamed of this?? We shouldn't be pushing this" and was gaining likes. Respectability politics doesn't work, limiting yourself and how you enjoy life is not gonna make racist ppl see you as a full human and stop hurting you.
Its like damn so many blk ppl have unconsciously adopted the white supermacist thinking not yet realizing somehow that everything bad thing they have to say about you is straight up projection.
Thats because race doesnt exist. Even if you dont perform race and its applied to the neural net just for you; to give it the illusion of power, first of all congratulations you are the messiah lmao, and number two who gives a shit what other people have to say? definitly not any of the blowhard trolls who get zero attention on the daily.
If the black tax can't be paid by mixed people, then there's no point trying to reconstruct race theory that was more accurate by black academia in the essays written before bread tube figures were even born.
Why do so many adults use avatars of anime girls who appear to be younger than 12 years old?
@@geekylove3603 Bot
No way someone called her their amime girlfriend. People got no shame
I’ve been called an anime character irl, people actually have no shame
Bruh its deadass happened to me too. Dudes in HS literally used to jealousy bring up how "lucky" my bfs would be to have an asian gf or "real life loli" 🤢🤢🤢
@@aperson2140 fr, u ain't no anime character, you're a person.
"Urge to kill, rising"
@@bittiebee wtf
As a Black woman who has been living in Japan for years now, the colorism is so pervasive. So many "beauty" products have whitening agents in them, and the steps that women take daily to avoid the sun and a tan are...extensive😅 (e.g. visors, arm guards, parasols, etc.)
And with the hypo/hypersexualization, you'll see tons of Japanese girls and women wearing tiny shorts, skirts, and dresses that barely cover their butts and it's "cute". People barely bat an eye. If I wear anything above the knee, it's "sexy". I am not curvy. I'm built like a prepubescent boy 😐 but because I'm Black, it's automatically provocative. Don't even get me started on collarbones lol.
Collarbones?
....Collarbones?
yeah pls continue with the collarbones. geniunly curious
@@internetstranger- @Moises Corral @19Elicar
I hope I replied to everyone who asked BUT collarbones are also considered "sexy", I guess? Necklines are pretty modest here in general, but I rarely wear scoop neck or v-neck shirts anymore after being called "sexy" for things like wearing v-neck (but still high cut) sweaters or having the top two buttons of my long-sleeved shirt undone in the middle of summer at a beer garden😐 like alright, my dude, if the clavicles do it for you, who am I to judge lol?
Disclaimer: I am only speaking to MY experiences and observations. Everyone's situation is different and I know people who have dealt with way worse and people who have never experienced anything like this while living here.
@@curiousandoriginal That's insane. Like, the same level as 1900 British people who sexualized ankles 💀
Great talk! As a “mixed” Asian myself, I kind of disagree that all types of asians get lumped under the label “Asian”, at least in my experience. To most of the people around me growing up, “Asian” often referred to East Asians (Japanese/Korean/Chinese), and other groups were either referred to by nationality if there was a significant population (in my specific community, it was Indians and Phillipinos),or even just as “brown” people (which ranged from people from SEA/Pakistan or other parts of the Middle East. Sometimes even Indians would get lumped in this category).
As someone who is half Chinese and half Nepali, I would often get called “half Asian” (even by East Asians! Not just white people) and it would really bother me. Not sure if this is a common experience though.
in the uk pakistani indians etc are asian
I think it also depends on the generation/area you were raised in. I’m part of an area that is mostly South Asian youth, so a lot of younger South Asian people are more likely to be call themselves/be called ‘Asian’, and while not everyone does it, they aren’t fully excluded from the label.
Interesting you say that, because the situation is basically the opposite here in the UK. Here, “Asian” refers to South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshi, Nepalese, Sri Lankan etc. Afghanis too tbh) whereas East Asians are often referred to by nationality, with Chinese people making up most of the East Asian population here
Edit: The fact that “Asian” tends to mean something different in the US is what I often found frustrating, especially growing up, since the most popular media was American, and “Asian” would therefore refer to East Asians almost exclusively
Ppl are really dumb
Why do you identify with the term “ Asian” so strongly? It’s a western concept. It doesn’t have any actual cultural or ethnic connotations and it sort of just morphed from referring to Turkey to being a catch all for everything east of Europe.
As a black man I am very aware of what yall were discussing. Asian and black cultures have always put in a similar reductive generalized space as diametric opposites. Model minorities vs thugs/criminals, pure vs
Sexualized girls, soft boys in kpop vs super machismo you see in rap. Though I hate stereotypes I do like how we borrow from each other's cultures to carve out our own personal niche of expression. The juxtaposition allows people to set where they will be seen by others. Whether it be anime street wear, Asian rappers, or any other examples. I think its cool we can free ourselves from these boxes with outside help.
The good side about soft boy is lower crime rate. And because they focus on education more, it produce more smart people, thus it help the country to developed faster. If Africa adopted soft boy tradition, working in the office more instead of doing labor job, then Africa would developed faster. Strong boy is bad because it focus on physical too much, you can have a lot of muscles, but without a brain, you will never be able to travel to another galaxy. As Africa developed, more people will work in the office instead of labor job, which is what you need because that's the first step of becoming developed. I always noticed a black person always run away from education and chose to play basketball as their career, which is such a risky path. Education is always a safer choice.
@@CoolNumber1 Everything you said was stereotypical.
@@matxalenc8410 there’s no way he watched the entire video then posted this comment😭
@@matxalenc8410 Nah, blacks people have the tendency to choose sport over education. They always gravitate to sports. That why Africa is so behind, because lack of educated people. Sports doesn't make a country developed.
@@sTheghost718 Right!
In Korea students said my skin looked like poop 🫠
Well deserved
Sorry you went through that. I've followed a lot of other Black RUclipsrs who have visited/lived in South Korea and have said the exact same thing or similar.
Tell them poop can be white too.
They were colonised by the states what did you expect
@@amenajackson8133 😭
All I have to say about this colorism/classism in the Asian community that "somehow doesn't equal racism" consider this: if there is a perpetual image of darker skin tone people being inferior/lower class...how do you think an entire races that mostly has this skin tone will be viewed by said culture? So yes, it is inherently racist when it comes down it. As they say, colorism walked so racism could run or whatever.
What pisses us asians off is when western people claim that it’s Based on racism, not born separate from that culture. When western people discuss racism in eastern countries, we’re immediately on guard because they never acknowledge the west vs east privilege and try to apply what they know on cultures they know nothing about. Like claiming colorism is nothing but asians wanting to look like white people. There’s a difference between that and saying colorism is inherently racist.
An American staying in Korea had a hard time accepting the fact that rainbow capitalism is a proof of privilege. Their first reaction was to deny having western privilege because they were black afab and nd.
Like if yall want to give actually constructive criticisms, come in with admitting ignorance and privilege first.
But it's definitely a discrimination and a form of ethnic classism.
The Jungle Asian vs Fancy Asian stereotype.
It's not right either.
@Theohybrid oh of course. The fact that anyone gets discriminated against due to their skin tone in anyway is ridiculous. People in parts of India literally skin bleach to secure jobs and I don't just mean the entertainment industry.
@@iateyursandwiches That's utterly foolish. I hear that those creams have cancer-causing agents.
I also heard that they even use European models for the face of some of their products. So they aren't even aspiring towards an image that's real but fabricated.
I get it, people want to be accepted and society says that this is how you'd do it.
Its saddening what an ideology will have people do; especially towards their physical and mental health. Indian people are beautiful. It's a shame some of them cannot see that.
This whole idea rooted in peasants working outside and having darker skin= low class started way before contact with the outside world. So the racism kinda came after globalization, not that it makes it right or anything just pointing out how hard it is to change
Extremely true about the gay porn thing. There’s so much racism and implied gender specificity there and it’s just not true to reality at all!
Well almost, gay men are usually more than willing to use race, ethnicity and class to achieve sexual advantage, within the gay community. Gay men often assume racial, ethnic and class sexual roles and stereotypes in the "tricking" / "hook up" market with little to no introspection about it. Both intra & inter racially/ethnically and class. only when a gay man wants to be taken seriously within the Relationship/ partnership market does it even become an issue? Until then being a sexual stereotype of some kind rarely even creates a ripple in the mental pond of most. I can't even begin to fully recount how many gay Mayflower descendants, Harvard graduate finance lawyers are cosplaying blue-collar construction workers online or how many tenth-generation upper middle-class scions of the African American bourgeoisie are affecting thugged-out fresh out the cell block prison trade personas to sexually stimulate gay boys of all races. These Affects, for the sake of sexual legitimacy, are rarely challenged, deconstructed, or commented on. A successful Affect is normally counted as a win until it becomes personally limiting.
My research of gay meetings must be very different then norm lol
@@falconeshield Oh what lies beneath the surface is has more layers than the crust of the planet . Its male psychology run amok. When it works its amazing, the rest of the time its navigating a world war 2 minefield
It’s very, very gross - especially if you check the comment sections. Comments like “I need to try a BBC” with hundreds of likes and not a SINGLE person to call them out. It’s gross.
As a white AMAB person, this made it a bit challenging with my ex, who was black. I was so scared that my attraction to him was ever playing into those stereotypes, and had to do a lot of reflection and to deconstruct a lot of stuff. He joked about it a lot, but I never told him that it was actually something that worried me.
Also, although I’m considered white where I come from (a Latin European country), I’ve been often fetishized in the hookup scene here in the UK (where I’ve been studying/living for roughly 3 years). Having a very typical Latin name and a bit darker skin, I’ve been often fetishized in the dating scene - being often equated to people from Latin America (I’ve even been detained in a UK airport for they suspected I was a “Brazilian drug dealer” as they said - Let’s not even get into the various layers of wrong that was). It’s interesting because, whilst black AMAB people are often stereotyped as tops and “Asian” AMAB people are often stereotyped as bottoms, Latino (which is a term I have issues with) AMAB people are often hypersexualized as either tops or bottoms with a “spicy”, “caliente” flair (yes, I’ve been told both).
@@clementmckenzie7041 That... you literally just described fetishisation, said it's actually okay, and then turned around and stated one of many ways it hurts racialised gay men.
I love FD and oliSUNvia'S videos, but I find myself often disagreeing with her on certain asian issues.(mind you, I'm filipino-american) There are some bits where she has a shallow understanding. Most asians I've seen do identify with their asianness/ethnicity strongly in america, it is why we have many asian bubbles, aapi and asian cultural clubs in schools. Especially in CA. Also with these conversations between the black and asian community, I think it'd be cool to acknowledge our history of solidarity. Obviously, it's a rocky territory because of colorism, the model minority myth and xenophobia that often divides us. That should be talked about. But as a filipino there's a unique history of black-americans assisting our independence in the philippine american-war and I don't think many black americans know they were heralded as heroes during that time period. I know she can't speak for everyone. Great conversation regardless! All of FD's videos are solid.
I’m from California and went to college in California. When I was in college we tried several times to include the Filipino engineer club in our events but they always turned us down and never invited us to their events. It ended up being just my black student engineer club and the Latino engineer student club and occasionally Muslim students (who didn’t have their own club) collaborating on several events. I had friends who were in the Filipino club, but the club leadership made it clear they had no interest in collaborating with black and Latino students.
Great shout out to black and Filipino unity! Sadly I’ve only read in history of black people supporting Filipinos (like defecting US soldiers as you mentioned). Are you aware of any situations of the reverse? Clearly the Filipino American population is much smaller and a newer demographic than the black American population, so their impact will be smaller. Still I assume there is some documented Filipino support of black issues.
Yea I feel like the white worshiping Asians have mostly phased out or are the ones living in mostly white areas, the communities are way tighter now.
Kinda the reverse of Larry Itliong, the guy who was able to get other migrant Filipino farmers on board with supporting Cesar Chavez and his worker’s rights movement. Power in numbers across all ethnicities is what really gets a movement and a message going. Unfortunately, most people only remember Cesar Chavez and sometimes Dolores Huerta, completely oblivious to the Filipino assistance. I am Filipino - American as well
@@jonahwillis2781 actually Larry started the farmer workers strikes in Delano, Ca. Larry had his own farm workers organization with Filipino members. Caesar Chavez and his organization technically joined Larry’s Filipino farmers movement since Chavez resisted striking until he joined Larry in 1965. Filipino farm workers were striking since the 1930’s but Mexican workers would often break the strikes unfortunately. Larry is not credited with originating the farm worker strikes once Caesar Chavez and Delores Huerta joined for a number of possible reasons. But you can look up the dates and much of Larry’s activism predates Caesar Chavez’s.
I actually met one of Larry’s kids a few years ago. He was gracious in saying Caesar Chavez didn’t steal all the credit. He believed the Mexican organization was much larger and his father stepped down from the United Farm Workers Board in the early 70’s.. just as the movement started to take off.
There is a retired farm workers retirement home started by Larry in Delano, Ca that’s still active. It’s pretty much completely run and occupied by Latinos today.
In gay porn there are no gender dynamics, so the race stuff gets real loud.
You're either a top or a bottom.
What tf are u even doing there 💀💀💀💀💀💀
I'm a South-east Asian woman. I watch your videos because I want to understand the black community better. Thanks for having this conversation.
💐
He gives one side of the “black community” but please remember we are not a monolith.
As someone who just left a relationship with an Asian man & feel vindicated cause I tried to tell him all of this. I almost wanna send him this 😭
Send it, his ego will be fine lol
End him queen 😭💙
@@LotanLevant I think they just explained that asian men's ego's aren't fine; they're smashed to pieces by a number of contradictions put forth by the hegemony we live under. People don't act like Ian Miles Cheong or Andy Ngo without having a tattered ego.
But still, you can't break what's already broken. Send it!
Do it lol
As an Southeast Asian male, I support your decision to send this to him. Was he born here or did he come here at like an early age? Or did he come here as a teenager or adult? That will explain a lot about how he views things as well.
I think AccentedCinema is an eastasian male leftist, but he doesn't really talk about politics as a theme, but mostly bringing up some in his discussion of media like east asian cinema/tv/animation
In my early 20s I heard an Asian guy about my age say that he was tired of the model minority stereotype.
As a black man I got mad and almost cussed him out because we were always told growing up to be more like the Asian community because they had their community in order. To hear him say that burst a major bubble for me. I almost yelled out "how about we trade stereotypes".
I know now that their stereotypes can be harmful to them as well.
As a black person I find that reaction of yours weird. It’s good you reflected on it.
@@majorlazor5058 it's akin to a poor person seeing an extremely rich person be crippled with depression, or take their own life. They get mad because in their mind this person has had it easy and comfy and they're not even happy with it.
Asians are the most bullied and targetted race. No one messed with black people because y'all are considered physically strong.
@@majorlazor5058 Thinking back on it now more than 10 years later, I don't think I was mad at him, I was more frustrated with the whole idea of saying black people being so messed up by comparing us to Asians who we were always told were close to perfect.
I didn't really grow up around a lot of Asians and didn't see a lot until college, so all I knew was the stereotype. That's where I heard the comment. It was a learning experience for me.
After that I dropped the whole mythic model minority image of them and started seeing them as normal people with good bad and ugly just like everyone else.
@@fcdraw I grew up around Asians. Truth is many who have immigrant parents are pretty racist towards black people. Most loved the model minority label. They used it to put down black people to gain proximity to whiteness. I even knew some who refused to date Asians and coveted whites. It was a bizarre dynamic to see a group of people who openly worshipped an entirely different race.
That’s why I find any Asian who rejects the model minority label to be part of the solution.
I really appreciate youse making more distinctions between Asians, like specifying East Asians, South Asians, etc as you talk about this topic to avoid the problem of the "flattening" effect that you discussed.
To be honest, I wish there would have been more discussion about Asian masculinity because I think there is a lot more to discuss than just the last 6 minutes or so, but the disappointment is more coming from the fact that "Asian masculinity" is in the title. I do appreciate that it was brought up at all because it rarely is ever specified, and when it is, it's a pretty shallow discussion, only talking about attractiveness compared to men of other races, both in heterosexual and homosexual spaces, but it never really goes into the possible "why"s and stuff. Rarely do we ever hear about how it might have something to do with why Asian men are overrepresented in the manosphere and stuff or really anything to do with politics. I never heard that being discussed, but found it interesting.
I don't know. It's just nice to be talked about in a setting where we're not being laughed or yelled at, I guess, so thank you, especially because it felt like you talked about Asian men in a way that wasn't like you were talking down to us. I've loved this whole conversation with Olivia, actually. This whole comment was a disorganized mess, so sorry about that to whoever bothered to read this far lol I just woke up like 40 minutes ago
I'm from Socal Asians are not laughed at they are our people.
@@callofmetals24 Coming from the East Coast, I appreciate you!
@@Ensule hate to hear it. From what I know Chinese Gangster were the hardest of hard and everyone knew not to mess with at Rikers in the 80s.. I do apologize you have dealt with our ignorants
@@callofmetals24 No need to apologize; you didn't do anything wrong. Honestly, I can't say I've ever heard of them, but I guess it was something like in the show Warrior except in the 80s?
@@Ensule lol no bro way worse. I'll try to find the videos. I guess they were Triad
As an east asian guy born in Canada, I've also recently thought about why it is that we don't have leftist representation on youtube or why politics is a subject we don't bring up often. I think it has something to do with our cultural drive for the proximity to whiteness, but (something I haven't actually explored) a large part might have to do with the cultural revolution which caused a large chinese diaspora to Hong Kong and elsewhere. So having escaped a traumatic experience like that, it's probably been generationally instilled that leftist values are bad, in favour of status quo liberal/neo-liberal values.
As a latino I feel we have a similar issue, many Latinos point to Cuba and Venezuela as failed states and I think we also have a trauma about leftist values, I wish we had some representation similar to FD signifier on RUclips
I had a conversation that made me think about this recently. I was talking with one of my coworkers, a black man, and we were discussing a situation that happened on Senior Prank Day (we're teachers). For context, our principal is an east asian man. Basically, the seniors went beyond what was approved with administration beforehand and went too far with their additional pranks. Now, because they had done this to teachers during a PD meeting, everyone saw what happened and the principal got upset because the prank was not what was approved.
My coworker was talking about how being embarrassed by someone else is a big no-no in to black people, and the thing that made me think was when he said, "I don't know if your people, asians, have this kind of thing too, but for us..." and my first thought was, "Huh... do we have a thing like that? Actually, who's we?"
And I think the answer lies in what Olivia said about how since most of us in the mainland US and Canada have only been here for 2 or 3 generations, and without an existing *unifying* asian identity or culture in the West as foundation, each of us is kinda just left to find an existing political ideology or culture and adopt it and see if it adopts you. It's a very individual thing, which contrasts with the association people have about asians and collectivism. The collectivism is still definitely around, but it seems to be stronger in some asian communities than in others, and at times only appears in certain contexts. I think there's definitely something here to discuss further, but I really hate typing RUclips comments on mobile so I'll stop here.
Tbh I think politics is something we DO bring up a lot, it's just that we don't recognize them as "politics". Like I'm sure when talking with parents/other relatives, a lot of the conversation has revolved around having respectable jobs, having marriages by a certain age, and just in general what your life is "supposed" to look like as measured by your gender/age, and even race (you will often be ridiculed if your partner is a black person for example or you work extensively with people of color, but if the same thing happen with you and white people you are often considered to have "bettered your life"). But we never think of them as "political", just natural, and if you begin to treat them as political you will get a lot of backlash as being "leftist" "disruptive" or just in general "not doing good/appropriate things".
Yeah harmony basically with conservatives align
Maybe because they fled Leftism?
South asian people are going through some stuff too. Indian men are getting made fun of a lot online and honestly the culture from what I've seen makes it a very common asian male issue with sexualization. I definitely had that issue growing up myself and stepping away from that honestly was only easy for me because of good people and my privilege with access to feminist education.
I still have issues with this btw. Still learning.
it's not talked about much but it's quite silly that everyone from asia is put under one blanket as asian american despite the way we are portrayed stereotypically being so different. the only stereotype that really unifies it is strict parents and academics which is...pretty true to be fair. but as brown dudes i feel like we gotta go through the "you're a nerd or you're a terrorist or you work at 7/11 and all brown people are punjabi (this one is prob the most disrespectful imo)" dichotomy which i don't think is a sterotype applied to all asians. and to be fair we also don't suffer the same stereotypes as others either.
but yeah. i definitely think making asian-american the blanket term was just a plot to get people to dislike each other
Bro, yes and it's pretty bad within the incel community as well. They absolutely trash Indian men with derogatory terms like "curries", and insist that they are the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to physical attraction. The internet is wild.
yes! this needs to be talked about more because I feel like most people say they "care" so much about asian hate but when it comes to south asians everyone is silent..
@@kwasiahenkora6583 to be fair im sure there's incels of every race and they're gonna hate on everybody because that's what you do when you hate yourself so much. but yeah, especially on social media i see a lot of derogatory shit against brown people and it really ain't taken seriously at all. imo if we can't unify and squash our own beef with each other it'll remain this way forever
@@cherrykolya i think even people who say they care are capping. there's sayers, and there's doers. social media turned helping others into a trend and fad you use to get social points while doing nothing. but honestly, even in that case i don't see anyone post stuff about south asians lol
I'm sorry is this Tyler the Creator what a day in the background? BTW I love this video
such beautiful instrumental choice
It's a flip of Michael Urbaniak's A Day In The Park. Madlib sampled it for a song of the same name, and Royce Da 5"9 did the same for his song Boblo Boat. All outstanding songs.
@@aeropavorethank you I was just ready explain lmaoo
I’m not so sure on the hypermasculinization of South Asian men. The little representation we do have tends to portray nerdy, emasculated, othered brown men (Raj from Big Bang Theory, Baljeet). Personally I know a lot of South Asian men who try to act hypermasculine to try to counteract stereotypes or internalized racism of what a South Asian American man is ‘supposed’ to be like.
HYPO masculine
@@signifiedbsides1129 I thought you said that about East Asian men not South Asian men? Sorry I might’ve misheard something.
im ngl i fasholy used to try to act masculine af cuz i was insecure in my own ethnic identity as a brown dude. nowadays i know better but yeah it's crazy. definitely feel like a lot of us got a chip on our shoulder cuz we got picked on as kids or one or the other and now think showing any weakness is a flaw. to be fair tho i feel like basically every man struggles with this.
@@bopeybef That's interesting. Personally, I feel that men can be more confident in their skin if they stopped conforming to traditional masculinity. I think everyone has shades of masculine and feminine traits and it's healthy to acknowledge that. Coming from someone who is a Latin male and Non-binary I have the reverse issue. There's an implicit expectation for Latin males to be "macho" when I'm much more comfortable being feminine.
there's no such thing as a "South Asian". also, when he refers to "hypermasculinization" he's not talking about dumb macho archetypes he means stereotypes like creep, terrorists, ra pists, etc.
Please make a video on Charlie Cheon's video "The AntiAsianness within the Black Community". You say he's "gone wrong", how so?
the comment I been looking for, like the mental gymnastics
It's really interesting because if you go back far enough with the whole Yellow Peril stuff, earlier depictions of Asian men were as sexual deviants and corrupters of white and Asian women who had to be rescued by the strong white male.
Somewhere along the way it shifted into desexualization around the time when the US government started to take a more paternalistic view of Asian nations as we spread our influence there post WW2.
I hope one day some PhD candidate one day studies this connection more.
Hollywood anti AM propaganda 😂 that’s your answer. Brainwash people into thinking AM bad & WM on top it’s not a coincidence.
Omg I didn’t know that!!
I follow Olisunvia, Cheyenne Lin, and Mina Le and I'm enjoying their content as I unlearn my biases towards Asian people.
Also, their content is very fun.
Yeah except for the video pushing centrism and promoting figures like Jordan Peterson. Full of comments where people claim blm is a racist organization and the January 6th storming of the capital was a good thing. Normalizing right wing talking points is huge L in my book
@@baptizednblood6813 which video?
@@baptizednblood6813 ???i dont think any of them have a single video like that
@@bittiebee Olivia's "I'm thankful for my conservative phase" video.
@@baptizednblood6813centrism is awesome. Not our fault you're so deep in dogma you're not gonna change anything.
Furthermore most people fall down the middle so if you think you're going to achieve any political change with 'centrism bad' then good luckkkkkkk.
I love how FD brings people on his channel with other experiences so they can talk about issues
true, ethnically focused experiences aside, olivia does not even seem to be a leftist, and one thing the left also needs to do is learn to talk and learn what other standpoints are.
yes
@@pieofchart about the left that is something he emphasizes in his stance all the time.hes the only leftists I've seen say they can be assholes some time.
I am non-binary but I was raised as an Asian girl and lived for some time as an Asian woman. The intersection of race and gender I think was one of the things that helped me develop an intersectional consciousness. I grew up around mostly white people and the psychic damage done to me is immense lmao.
Thankfully though due to those experiences it gave me empathy for other groups of fetishized people. When you talked about being fetishized as a black man, I don't know what it is like to be black or a man, but I do know what it is like to have my humanity denied due to my race and gender expression. That understanding and empathy was my first major step in deconstructing the racist and patriarchal world view I grew up in.
The change in your gender identity may be the result of your trauma
@@Linnetdnah
Non binary isnt real
Ignore the other comment that’s super gross Wren, I’m here to agree with you. Listening to people’s experiences and knowing even if I cannot fully ever know I know at least how shit it feels to be treated that way. The anger I feel for marginalized people is the same I think.
PS. Am trans, but yeah I’m also Asian specifically Korean and this video resonates with me.
@@Linnetd bruhhhhhh
I have a lot of thoughts re: lack of visible cishet asian men in online progressive/leftist spaces as an asian AMAB myself. I’m mostly basing my thoughts around immigrant asian communities in the west here. But essentially, because of the way asian men are depicted as hypomasculine in the west, I think there’s this insecurity that has become sort of internalized by many cishet asian men, since their access to patriarchy is threatened. However, I think this access isn’t completely severed due to connections to the “homeland.” Most asian countries are ridiculously patriarchal, so being a cishet asian guy there would be like being a cishet white guy in the west. There’s also racism, classism, etc., which adds to these men's privileges in the "homeland". Now I think many asian guys in the west won’t experience this because not everyone has the privilege to visit their parents’ homes, etc etc. And this isn’t to say they have no problems because, again, they live in the west and suffer from white supremacy too. But it’s more like, in addition to proximity to whiteness, they can actually visualize what it's like to live the white cishet guy life, and so it can be really easy to lean towards conservative believes. At the very least, there’s some incentive to be apolitical because, in addition to this, a lot of asian cultures have this macho idea of being a strong person who holds in all their trauma. And being vulnerable would be reinforce this hypomasculine depiction in the west, and also emasculates you from the perspective of the patriarchal homeland. So it's easier to blame other groups like asian women.
So, because of ties to the homeland and thus access to patriarchy, asian men still have something to lose so to say. It’s one thing being depicted as hypomasculine in the west, but it’s extra humiliating to have your uncles & aunties and extended community also berate you for not being a proper man or whatever. Similarly, going “woke” would make you westernized and disconnected from your culture. Which can add to the masculinity crisis because if you’re emascualted in the west and the homeland tells you you’re a westerner, it’s easy to double down on patriarchy to compensate and you end up with an MRAsian, or someone "apolitical" but not really.
Those are interesting ideas!
MRasian doesn’t exist
I'm half-Japanese half-Scottish. The hyposexualization of east Asian men is something I feel so often. It's also weird with gender because I'll be told something like "I like feminine guys" and I'm left confused because I think of myself as very masculine. The bottom line is that a lot of east Asian men probably can relate to the feeling that our sexuality and gender are racially policed. Specifically, I think policed into a space that is disempowered and tacitly inferior. Because of this, it's easy to understand why so many Asian men can get swept up and radicalized by manosphere influencers.
I found the point FD made about gay male pornography to be really fascinating. I have also noticed similar trends in kinky pornography in which the male viewer is made to be submissive. There is a distinct racial hierarchy in who gets to be dominant and who gets to be submissive. I would imagine for black male subs, it's hard to find images in these kinky spaces that would align with that kind of experience. It's kind of sad, because gay pornography and kink should be spaces in which we discard hegemonic notions of race and sex and be able to experience inventive new forms of pleasure, unfortuately, racism is present in all facets of life due to colonialism.
In the porn I've seen, it's not only fails to counter the hegemony, it seems to be largely about upholding and amplifying the hegemonic stereotypes, and reinforcing gender and racial hierarchies. I realize that some feminists may regard porn as a potential site of resistance to patriarchy, but the porn business seems to be more sexist than society at large.
@@johnkawakami8395 This is very on point for porn sites historically and even now if you are on the "straight" versions of these sights you will most definitely be met with that type of content almost if not exclusively. However a lot of porn sites in recent years have taken to committing more to actually genuine safety, diversity and inclusivity. It's not perfect but the lid being blown open on all the child pornography on these sites in recent years has made them make ssome big and sweeping changes I think. Nowadays you can find gay, trans, queer etc. labelled alternative version of porn sites which are considerably more nuanced and inclusive in how sexuality is represented
I was groomed into porn at a too young age as a closeted trans woman back when I did it there was nothing for people like me to latch onto to say our feelings and desires were ok and normal which is why I was so susceptible to predators I didn't have any basis to actualize myself on so i thought my feelings which were actually gender dysphoria and a whole plethora of other mental hangups were generalized anxiety that I could overcome through "just putting myself out there" I just wanted to grow up so bad thought it was me not being open and "adult" is why i wouldn't succeed i took the advice of everyone around me who was giving me advice like i was a cishet man and it ruined my life. It wasn't until people actually started to treat me as a woman and I learned abt transness that I realized how deep in depression I was previously I just thought being sad and miserable all the time was t he norm 😢
@@Lin_Eileen That's so sad, and also horrific that it's a predatory business. I am happy that you're happy, or on your way to happiness. It seems odd to be that you'd be pulled into porn tho. How did that happen?
I watch cishet porn. It's improved a little bit for Asian guys. It's gone from nearly zero to dozens of videos. I don't really see any niche of middle aged Asian guys with middle aged women, except imported from other countries.
So based "your basic sociology history 101" of how some minority groups have grown and been treated, does it justify the way Asians have been treated by the black community. You implied that those who are aligned with Charlie Cheon's opinion somehow lack the knowledge of history. He clearly stated in his video that Asian leaders had condemned racism towards black ppl within the Asian community and never once had people seen black leaders bring up the issue Black on Asian hatred. You are condescending when you say you have no energy to address the issue while suggesting that people that concur with him do not know basic history :))
Yes!! Thank you! Brutality towards Asian elders and women were mostly done by BLACK MEN. The rapping that some of them have PROMOTES VIOLENCE TOWARDS ASIANS. The hashtag 'stopasianhate' DISAPPEARED when the media finally figured it out that it's the BLACKS that target Asians. And with this, Asian voices and ANY news about them getting jumped and brutalized were suppressed to AVOID showing people that the problem is the BLACKS. This girl's brain melted out of her cranium! The internalized racism she has is real!
@@byeebitch 75 percent of the perpetrators of anti-Asian hate crimes in the USA between 2019 and 2021 were white actually, but nice try. Actually the fact that such a disproportionate amount of the heavily publicized cases were the minority of cases where the perpetrator was black is a good example of racism in the media. And of course, all that's even ignoring the fact that, even during 2021 (the worst of it), when there were 746 reported anti-Asian hate-crimes, there were 3,277 anti-Black hate crimes in the same year. And in 2020, the second worst year for Asian-Americans, in which there were 279 reported anti-Asian hate crimes and 2,871 reported anti-Black hate crimes.
A tenth of the hate crimes, most of them committed by white people, and people like you try to use it as an example of how "THE BLACKS" are horrible. That's why I don't take cries of "racism" from people lighter than me seriously.
FD finally gave the Kendrick Lamar instrumental a break.
Asian colorism--from the Arabian Peninsula in the west all the way to Japan in the east, from Mongolia and the Steppes in the north to Indonesia in the south--is most certainly thousands of years in the making, but it is just as certainly based in very ancient racial hierarchies. Note that each of these locales I mentioned has a history of a dark-skinned population indigenous to that area who are outcast, and have been forced to live on the fringes of that society, if they were not either pushed to extinction or assimilated to a greater or lesser degree by the majority, power-wielding group. Race is by nature an ill-defined, nebulous term--so the confusion is understandable. But stop and think: how could colorism exist among a racially (that is to say, phenotypically homogenous) group? If there's that great a degree of phenotypical diversity, it's not one "race"! The modern descendants of these groups, for many reasons, seek to downplay the historic diversity of their parent populations. Colorism is quite prevalent among Latino populations in the West, too. Its roots in racism are obvious because the races are still somewhat distinct in those populations. What about 500 years from now? What about 1,000? 2,000? It's no different in Asia.
Your reasoning for not responding to Charlie is in my opinion, a bit of a cop out. If the answer is so obvious why not just respond with a clear and concise video ?
His video at the time of writing this comment has 3.8 million views so if you think his got this issue wrong, I think it’s very important to clear some things up for A LOT of misled people.
It's wild to me that Asian people have been stereotyped to be politically docile in American culture when that is very clearly not the case internationally.
Somebody said Indian dudes get made fun of a lot on the Internet😂
@@the2ndcoming135 ??
@@SanFranFan30 LMAOOOOO
@@the2ndcoming135 nah i'm confused wtf are you talking about
@@SanFranFan30 You’re in third place🤣🤣🤣🤣
Olivia hit the nail on the head with the whole difference in how people extrapolate representation thing.
Couldn't make a hard call on it of course, but I think that because...
1. White people are very visible in *all* sectors, especially in the global north
2. People tend to have community with white people as a matter of course, especially in the global north.
It's very hard for people to essentialize whiteness and/or when people do, it's usually as an explicit critique on whiteness or white people.
Compare to other groups of people where, because 1 and 2 are often not true in many parts of the world for non-white people, it's easier for people to essentialize because it's more easily conceived of as a concept (which is ironic considering that "white" is probably the most conceptual/abstract racial categorization there is).
Because it feels more compartmentalized, it's easier for people to "accidentally a racism" and develop essentialist notions around "black", "asian", "latino/x" etc.
I'm sure this isn't everyone's experience, but the whole "fish out of water" style thing that FD mentioned in the beginning really catches something. I think the most flagrantly racist people I've met (either as a purposeful decision or accidentally) were people who hadn't previously had community with another group and then, some way or another, was made to have community with them, and that's not just white people either. I wouldn't even say it's a race thing, because it's *very* noticable in gendered spaces too (though unsurprisingly it's usually more of a problem with men towards women).
But people who always had community, or never did, tend to either not really think about it or be very much the opposite.
Also, spitting on the whole appearance checking thing. I always thought that that shit was just absurd. If the content is... I don't know, modeling, make-up tutorials, fashion, etc. some other aesthetically focused thing, sure, makes sense. Even then though, people will just have this weird reflex to talk about people's bodies and shit and it's like... where does this even come from?
The whole aesthetic value = personhood value thing is hyper fucked imo.
Like white people are the ethnic majority in the global north what did you expect??
I'm just grateful Spanish and Medi people don't fit in those stereotypes and we're left alone
I'm subscribed to a good mix of black philosophy youtubers, but only really Olivia and Cheyenne. Any recommendations for a male Asian philosophy youtuber would be much appreciated. I'll try Sang as mentioned by FD.
Aini is very good, but her content is more China-focused, whereas Olivia and Cheyenne discuss much broader and more general topics.
nb RUclipsr xiran jay Zhao - they're Chinese so they do a lot of Chinese history content, but they did an amazing series with SEA creatives, breaking down representation and stuff in media!
I see FD has good taste in Madlib beats👌🏿
Do you know the title of that song?
Not gonna lie, the beat is so good it's almost distracting as background music
@@wrldonwill Madlib - What a Day. Unless you meant the song he sampled it from. If so, then search up Michael Urbanik - Day In The Park
@@Flowermedal Appreciate it. Thank you. ...Damn, I was certain it was some obscure Brazilian sample..lol.
I'm thinkin this was Tyler's recent song😭😭
Two of my favorite channels ABSOLUTE W
I'm very excited to watch this as an asian trans man. Thank you as always for the great content
I wish I was able to make it through the entire live. I wonder if Watts the safe word would be a good resource for the topic on race dynamics in pornography
Ayo Fiq, love the convo and guest
Asian black solidarity ayoo
Ikr? Y’all ain’t got y’all a Asian old head👨👦
great conversation! i loved the point about how the hangover should have disparaged the reputation of the white community but it didnt bc of white cultural hegemony. thank u both for ur thoughtful contributions to the discourse
FD... i have no clue what your talkin about half the time 😅 why didnt you discuss the guy in the thumbnail?
We talked about him a bit
cause he is a race baiting grifter that doesnt know what he is talking about
@@signifiedbsides1129 no
“Cornbread-tube” is so clever and hilarious. I can’t believe FD missed that one. Lol
When I lived in Korea, a lot of RUclips videos were age restricted
And though I was grown, I didn’t feel like always going to get my ID to put in my information 🤷🏾♀️
very good discussion. this is such a multifaceted discussion. and I'm glad a conversation about racism isn't held by two white men for once.
I love Olivia's content!!❤
I wish you spoke on where that Charlie kid went wrong. Even if it is basic, I think it would be helpful to the conversation he’s having.
Really appreciate OliviaSun and her model minority video dowcussion. RUclips sucks for doing everything to lower its viewcount
I love that you're bringing all these young people on to your bsides.
Already know😎
FD learn to stop interrupting and mansplaining
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We need to make charlie a pariah in asian media the way candace is in black media. Tired of MRAsians acting like they represent me
The questions & the discussion you're raising here are just, so amazing. Thank you, Fiq !
Thank you both for shining light on this discussion that will come up in the next few years. White woman who obsess over popstars or kdrama actors will romanticize the entire culture then place those concepts on to asian men they meet (mind you it will only be the light skinned ones ofc)
We joke about the conservative dad wasian but there's 100% gonna be a koreaboo mom wasian within the next decade
There's a lot to dig through with Black discourse and Asian discourse separately, so adding the two just makes the complexity even greater.
I think as Asians in white countries, we are taught to be more white so that we'll fit in and succeed. I think oliSUNvia thinking of herself as a "woman" first and having her race be a default, passive trait is a kind of luxury that us Asians aspire to, and then judge anyone for not being able to achieve.
As for Asian male emasculation...that's probably one of the main reasons every Black guy wasn't having Jet Li kissing Aaliyah at the end of Romeo Must Die. All of us are being fetishized in one form or another. It's only recently that Asian men have some chance of being a sex symbol.
How is this racist comment upvoted? "every Black guy" had 0 to do with the decision to stop Aaliyah's on screen kiss with Jet Li. Romeo Must Die is a 2000 American action film directed by Andrzej Bartkowiak a white Polish man. It was written by a white screenwriter named Eric Bernt and produced by a white Jewish director Joel Silver. Your first thought on anti-Asian male emasculation being "that's why Black dudes won't let us near 'their' women" is wild.
Right from wikipedia "Jet Li stated on his personal website that they had filmed both versions of the scene (with kiss and without), and decided to use the latter because it would be "somewhat strange and awkward" for Han to have witnessed his father's suicide and then to come out and kiss someone"
It's funny how your comment illustrates the very issue you claim to critique. You pit Black men, who are hypersexualized, against Asian men as if we're jealous of yall for kissing Aaliyah (when as a child it's something I rooted for in the movie) AND you're here repeating an obvious lie they told about testing the scene with "urban audiences" as if Hollywood has ever cared about Black representation beyond what they can coopt/commodify.
There's plenty of cringe anti-Asian racism in Black 90s movies, specifically because they were mirroring the anti-Asian racism of white movies that sold successfully in the box office and reflecting the intracommunal tensions between Asian capitalists and working class Black communities. Also, you should check the recent movie Boogie to see exactly how a specifically anti-Black male message can seep it's way into yalls attempts as Asian men to "reclaim masculinity" or be "sex symbols," as you put it, in the eyes of (white) American media.
Thank you! I don't know how anyone can read his comment and NOT grimace
@@virallcullture8585 Sorry, not sure if you meant grimacing at my comments or Joshua's reply?
This is why I have little faith in POC solidarity. Even when non black people “try” to be objective, we get comments like Dave Han’s that are entirely misinformed and STILL pit black people against others.
Until non black POCs want true equality and not just the elitist position of white people, I don’t think we will ever get anywhere as a collective. Colonialism has us all fucked in the head and I’m tired.
@@davehan241 it’s pretty obvious who they’re referring to lol. You left me a dissertation when “sorry for my anti-Black racism. I appreciate the constructive criticism” would have been fine.
If you are exposing oppression thats a nono. If you are platforming bigots, RUclips has got your back. Loved this vid
This makes me interested in thinking of Keni Styles' career as an adult film star and the things he had to navigate (one of few Asian male straight actors who was successful in the US and Europe)
Discovering FD’s and Olivia’s channel as someone from south east asia, am thankful for your channels for existing.
As a Filipino American man I really appreciate this conversation.
Bro Charlie Cheon made a good video, got lots of buzz and was very unique
y'all are the collab i needed. i was so glad to see you in her video
Olivia’s content and insightfulness is great. Love this collaboration
I'm a doll collector, and tried bringing up the way east Asian beauty standards, and their influence on doll customizers in Western Countries, is unconsciously biased. So many folk tried saying it goes back to east Asian ideas of beauty and failed to see the inherent racism in it and how it's grown in modern times.
I don’t see where you’re getting at? The BJD dolls are Japanese that’s why
@@amandaliu7439 I don't mean BJD, I mean doll customizers who do makeup restyles on dolls, all dolls. Nowhere did I mention BJD at all.
I don't know much about dolls, but east Asian beauty standards are different from Western countries. There is a super huge difference in looking between Asian American and Asian live in east Asia, that's too obvious, you can tell that for the first second.
There are gendered divisions between East Asians, so I would appreciate getting an Asian dude to talk about this as well, with all due respect to Olivia.
Loved this conversation!
there's no such thing as a "South Asian" the term is just desi
It makes me sad that Asian men are not valued as attractive in our society because of the white supremacy in media, which hurts Asian boys as they grow up. The sad thing is it’s so obviously NOT true and divorced from reality.
On this topic I always think of the film “always be my maybe”, it has two extremely attractive Asian male characters (played by Randall Park and Daniel Dae Kim). one of the things that Ali Wong (writer and female lead) said was that she wanted to show Asian men as desirable, which is never depicted in media, EVEN THOUGH THEY ACTUALLY ARE:
“So there’s a revelation among non-Asian people about something that I’ve known for a very long time: Asian-American men are super sexy…”
- It’s so crazy to me that media has gaslit us into rejecting what is plainly in front of us
cheon is NOT pronounced like that 😵💫
As a consumer of gay porn I can confirm the part about porn. If you think about it porn is a mirror that reflects how we- or at least our subconscious sees the world. I cringe at a lot of porn titles and dynamics but I can't help but be turned on by some of them.
I like how Native Indigenas get together sometimes and discuss issues. i wish we had more, I mean we were on the continent first lol but we're mostly isolated from everybody esle and not so involved in society.
It’s really the same history hispanic and latino culture is sexualized in movies and Hollywood. We all have different backgrounds . I usually ask for stories and respect the origins in time people tell me the ethnicity. I guess they trust me
I wonder, though I suppose it's hard to test, to which degree all the things you observe about blakc and asian people or also men vs women, including the depicted/polular sexual roles, boils down to "large burly person" vs "small thin person". Averages, of course, but still significant trends.
Omfg Asian literally is Greek word to mean “East” and referred to a Roman province that is essentially Greece and west anatolia( where Turkey is)
i'd like to see a longer version of this clip, because in this edit you cut her off or overspoke her a couple times when she was inside of an explanation.
You wanna take shots at Charlie sheon without addressing anything he said 😅
"Ooh... Ooh... Pick Me!!!"
“Rarely do you see Asian man on top and black on bottom “ bro what? 🤣
22:45 - It absolutely blows my mind that this dude ended his tangent of all Asian men being bottoms in gay porn with basically saying that Charlie Cheon’s main goal is to push back against that stereotype by trying to be some kind of Masculine macho man asian public figure
Bro needs to watch more Asian martial art movies and not those American knockoff 😂
0:16 Anybody and everybody could be a RUclipsr but because not everybody in anybody IS(For whatever reason) they bond with someone who they see themselves in with the courage it takes to actually be on RUclips. Which is why we are stuck in our idolatry and deifying of regular people who we’re originally just trying to share perspectives and pop knowledge we begin to project and expect on them which takes a certain awareness to not do.
I literally live the model minority life which is kinda frustrating. But at the same time feels frustrating as there is a clear ceiling for my parents who are immigrants. tbh my mom is more liberal not overtly racist mostly in just the ignorant sense but not malicious. there is definitely less focus on political issues in our family since most families in the area are high performers mostly only caring about economic status. Because we do well it’s basically like petty to complain cause it’s like okay why should I care about your first world problem you privileged shit. The way I see it model minority is used to systematically control minority groups while being a justification for the lower status of other minorities like african Americans and kind of pit them against each other by fostering jealousy. It doesn’t help that East Asian culture is typically conservative leaning with emphasis on authority and elders meaning Asians within this model minority are less likely to speak out. We have a huge Asian bubble where I live yes this includes SEA and indians which most of our community considers Asians mostly in the younger generation though as Asians in Asia are kinda racist af to other Asians in Asia especially against SEA region.
10:12 West Europeans did this too, it's where the term "Blue Bloods" came from. Spaniards (Castilians) differentiated themselves from the Africans (Moors) who lived there at the time by their skin being pale enough to see their blue veins through. Fun (?) facts.
Back in my teens, I'm half Asian btw but my experience in America is receiving similar racism with Asian people. So back in my teens, I always got frustrated with extra feisty Asian girls who were smaller in stature. It was somewhat exhausting to deal with, but I was super understanding about why they were like that. I was probably extra feisty too, just male.
I had to check my own projections on them all the time, like anytime something could be interpreted as feisty, I would have to say don't judge, and I'm probably projecting. If I have issues, then address the issues without labeling her as feisty.
I feel like your audience already is white even though you talk about race
The “What a Day” instrumental as background music is so perfect for these vids
The madlib instrumental over this feels so good idk why
What's the name of the instrumental? I've been looking for it for a grip
Asian men get gaslit in these type of conversations all the time. It was fun watching the reality get avoided for 25 minutes though. 😂
I also think that it's interesting to look at where the ideal masculinity comes from, and what it has been historically in various places in the world. I think it's one of those things people don't realise are arbitrary and culturally manufactured.
I appreciate the Tyler, the creator instrumental in the background 👌🏼
It's madlib
One reason I think asians (at least east asians) depoliticize race is because I feel as if there is actually some pride from supposedly being "model minorities" There was this sense of being accepted into society because of hard work and some vague gesture to culture that I found myself around in high school.
Another possibility is that east asian households are plugged into racialized communities primarily for connection within the American system. We often joked about the mystical wechat communities where tutoring services and sat training sets were distributed seemingly instantly. This probably came to be because of the challenges that first-gen asian parents faced. Many arrived in small groups or alone, and came purely for those opportunities in America, and so no racial communities emerged beyond shared language and goals.
All this is really just speculation from my own experience, so take this with a Morton Salt Regular Salt, 26 oz, Pack of 2.
This could also be a larger issue within toxic STEM spaces which depoliticize race and in turn, devalue non-asian minority experiences simply because they aren't as prevalent.
Yo
Soft masculinity is a concept that gained huge popularity due to kpop culture. Earlier flowery boys or men dint have a chance with women. Nowadays, korean men are breaking the dating scene. They have promoted a different type of masculinity which seemed to be doing well with women of all cultures
Love meeting everyone here at the intersection, keep it up!
You are great at diagnosing problems FDSignifier like other leftist RUclipsrs, but I just hope that collectively, we can get to the point where we can go beyond just diagnosing the problems brought about by our neoliberal capitalist system and we can actually start fighting it head on.
It’s like how in the Matrix when Morpheus says to Neo - “They are guarding all the doors, they are holding all the keys. Which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them”
We have to get to point where we have enough means and will power to actively fight against our neoliberal capitalist system.
Diagnosing alone on RUclips is not going to get us there. We need radical changes and we need to start creating the means to give us those changes. Period.
None of these bread tubers believe in doing politics tho, only discussing them.
@@tankiegirl That’s the problem. These Lefist RUclipsrs need to think past just having a leftist channel that discusses these issues and at the very least, start thinking of ways to create a means of challenging the system, otherwise they are on some level being complicit with the system.
This is a platform which is is really just designed to share ideas. It's not really a surprise that a youtube video doesn't plan some direct action event - it's really not fit for that purpose. I'm sure many of these people are involved in their local communities to one extent or another. RUclips is not a revolutionary breeding ground, but it can help to raise class consciousness and propagandize against the capitalist dogma.
Why do so many adults use avatars of anime girls who appear to be younger than 12 years old?
A lot of extremists cannot actually accept that the job could be over one day. They subscribe to it as an eternal and inescapable cycle of pain because of massive trauma.
Some breadtubers are out of a job if they draft up a successful strategy to end this chaos. I think middle class feminism sometimes is guilty of this because they require a patriarchy to continue to overspeak more vulnerable populations.
I know there are good exceptions, people who do offer solutions... and then there are bad exceptions that deliberately cripple progress to keep out mixed/multi cultural families that they instinctively see as potential oppression and erasure.
Can anyone please share the channel for the person they mention a couple times who might’ve been commenting during the live?
search for elliot sang!
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I was with ya up until the very end when you made a direct comparison between Candace Owens and Charlie Cheon. Come on, man, even as a brief aside. I just can't believe that kinda conflation is conducive towards anything positive.
She is so cool 🌍🌍🌍👋👋👋
What music is playing the background . Also just found your channel enjoying the content
AIGHT that’s it I’m making a channel for Filipinos cuz there’s some shit there people need to know
I am Malaysian Chinese. My experience can confirm that colourism has always been about racism,classism is just only the facade , so to speak.
I had a friend in high school who had a slight darker skin. He disliked it a lot and often complained why he was born with a darker skin. He said he was “mistaken as Malay” when his parents were both Chinese. “Wouldn’t it be nice if I had your skin tone.” He would occasionally say to me. When I said I was not that fair either, he would say at least it’s not “dark like a Malay.” Little did he knew I was born to a Filipino mother and Chinese father. Note that for most Chinese here, “Malay” doesn’t only refer to the “Malay” ethnic group, it is also a catch all term for other indigenous people.
Here’s the irony. I had heard non-Chinese locals saying “he/she has fair skin just like a Chinese.”
9:05 this statement just resonates so hard. One of the key differences between 'asian' and other racial definitions is that the term 'asian' in and of itself as a defining term was never agreed upon nor accepted by the group it was supposed to represent; it was always suggested or imposed by external parties.
Therefore, the defining question has never been "who's asian?" but "who's NOT asian". Are indians 'asian'? How about filipinos? 'East asian' or 'APAC' or what? I've heard both out-group and in-group being confused on who does and doesn't count with frankly little consistency because we can't agree on what's 'asian' besides general stereotypes.
I think the term asian will be more representative of the greater asian minority group as immigrant kids begin to settle and organically grow the 'asian' definition to be more concrete. But at this time, I can't help but feel it's just overly reductive and doesn't represent us at all.
damn two of my favorite video essayists collating??
FD let the lady finish a sentence or two before boppin in cuddy 😅