Cinq Sinclair: Balancing Via Opportunity Cost
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- By far my nerdiest video title yet. My Economics teacher would be proud. This video is a return to form, primarily discussing just 1 ID, Cinq Sinclair, who is the most recent 000 ID at the time of this video's release.
I need to get better at making descriptions.
![The Tragic Simplicity of Base IDs (and how to fix them) [Limbus Company]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNtmHa3OAxg/mqdefault.jpg)
I shall now be taking a break from content creation for the rest of 2023.
haha very funny dear, can't wait for RR3 with the worser IDs again (:
please come back it has been a year already
happy new chrismtas
maybe next year ill let you leave the basement for the weekends! ^_^
It’s… 2024…?
I love how the one Sinclair ID who could beat Nclair is the one focused on duels, literally showed up and was like "oh you're the best? 1v1 me nerd"
Who wins, a traumatized blonde crusader, or a traumatized blonde fencer???
@@notmitsukiyololand then a traumatized blond (not a typo) fixer showed up
There's two types of teams in Limbus Company:
1). Teams focused around a mechanic.
2). Ball of good IDs.
Im guilty of 2. Its just so easy to spam auto and win when you just focus only on clash numbers and damage.
2. Is the only way i got sub 150 in RR2, evreyone having their strongest id beat any synergy
It can be translated like
1-Utilizing the game mechanics to their greatest potential to exploit a playstile achieving victory in a very well organized strategy
2-ooga booga
Funnily enough, Ish's 000 IDs is a perfect example of opportunity cost between IDs.
Molar Ish works incredibly well in sinking/tremor teams, Liu Ish is a monstrous dps in burn teams, and R Ish is... well, the funny mind whip in charge teams.
All of them are great IDs, but none of them work in all possible scenarios
R Ish is the clasher
@@mangocookie4790 debatable as molar and liu both have above average clashes as long as you fullfil their conditions (tremor on molar ish and she clashes stupidly well on s2 and s3 without it too) burn for liu ish which is a lot harder to retain
@@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180The thing about R Ish is that she doesn't have a condition at all to clash really well with S1&2, and she gets her charge for mind whip extremely fast at uptie 4
@@Motemeii but molar clashes stronger on her s2 unconditionally and her s3 is not far behind
Molar is the support who clashes stupidly well whereas r is a mediocre dps unit
@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180 R corp Ishmael rolls a 14 on skill 1 and 18 on skill 2 no conditions required
farming the 5.5 final mission for sacks with solo Cinqlair is probably the most fun i've had in this game yet
scarily good there. it's so fucking fun and i love this little gremlin and his poking stick
How does soloing work exactly? Aren't you taking a ton of one side attacks?
@@SaintofQuartzfor the first 2 turns,yes
@SaintofQuartz If you use evade on the first enemy attack, he will keep evading subsequent attacks if he succeeds. With not even that much luck, you'll either take no damage, or take too little damage to be staggered.
you don't even need to evade, they don't deal enough to stagger him. after the first two turns, you'll be around 150 hp, a good 30 or so off his first stagger at all, and you can just shred the rest of the encounter with his insane poise generation and also any support units you have (such as Blade Lineage Yi Sang, who's INCREDIBLE for this as a support)
technically speaking, PM's way of "nerfing" these "Overpowered" ID's is simple: not buffing them more than they already are.
we have already seen this being the case for R Corp Heath uptie 4 being...3 more bullets, and NClair inflicting...more burn (and a bit more damage if you are running a full N Corp Team i guess)
And I'd say team synergies make it even better! Have you ever tasted a full rupture team?
@@heroes0844 it is truly one of the tastiest looking status effects
@@heroes0844 i recently have thanks to the new don id and GOD DAMN that damage hits hard. I've never ripped that fox to pieces faster.
[13:00] About this... this is only something I've heard about recently, but apparently nerfing units in a gacha game is kind of a taboo, at least to my knowledge? The issue is that, as you alluded to, these are units that a lot of people PAID REAL MONEY to get, so nerfing them creates a potential problem where the nerfed version was not what people "bought" (gambled for).
If you're wondering if this problem has affected Limbus in the past: It has, once. When they reworked the Offense/Defense Levels and scaling in Season 2, Project Moon accidentally made N-Faust's Offense Level just _slightly_ lower than it was supposed to be. While this was a complete mistake, apparently some people in the Korean Limbus community were quite mad about this, claiming that they had intentionally "shadow nerfed" her or something along those lines - and this was only because her Offense Level was, like, 2 lower than before!
So, due to nerfs being apparently controversial in the general "gacha" community, I can see why PM has almost _never_ directly nerfed an Identity outside of fixing bugs. However, I don't see why PM can't instead _buff_ non-meta IDs to make them more viable, which I hope they do in the future (but NOT through additional Uptie tiers for accessibility reasons).
Bruh have u played yugioh 😂😂😂
We all know Uptie V is gonna happen sooner or later
I just hope it happens around Canto X and for it to be the final Uptie
After all, PM has a fixation with the number 5
5 emotion levels in ruina
5 risk levels for abnormalities
5 agent levels in lobotomy corporation (the stats can go to EX, but the actual level goes up to 5)
5 librarians per floor in library
Need I say more?
Also, remember the incident with Uptie IV Bodysack?
People assumed the bug was the wrong description not procking, when PM said the bug was a wrong description (making it a VERY INDIRECT nerf), the backlash was so harsh, they had to refound heath shards and thread
It'd be great if they buffed IDs, but I think they're against it. Only Sunshower Heathcliff ever got directly buffed...
As far as i know it's actually illegal in Korea.
Fixing bugs and changing the enemy stats are okay though.
@@NMC213 I'm OK with their being future Uptie/Threadspin tiers. I just don't want Project Moon to use these new tiers as a "balance patch" like they did with Tier 4.
Say, for example, that a particular Identity or E.G.O is ONLY good once it's at Tier 5, but is basically worthless otherwise. This creates an issue where for a very large portion of the playerbase, and ESPECIALLY new players who will probably be using Identities at Tier 3, and E.G.O at Tier 2, said Identity is just as bad as it was before the "buff" added by the new Uptie tier.
Basically, if they want to buff an Identity or E.G.O, I would rather they buff it across ALL of its tiers (or at least Tier 3+), rather than just the newly-introduced highest tier.
Cinqlair made me realize that all the Sinclairs got thst yee yee ass haircut
I think MD cost was also a good balancing idea, giving literally any reason to use 00s outside of, like, procing 7cliffs passive. Now we just need to find a reason for people to use Outis.
Outis is pretty good. Molar Outis too, I'd say only 7/Blade/G suck really.
Wait until we get Farmwatch Outis (maximum copium)
The 18+ rolling Evade in question:
@@ryoshuirlcinq Outis is insane, she’s like a 000 in the guise of a 00 with her skill numbers.
Also G corp is a perfectly good ID, the only thing holding her back is her shitass S1.
@@degeneratewithasideoftidep6795 farmwatch will SAVE limbus
The cinq association is my favorite addition to project moon's universe from Limbus Company. Cinqclair's skills have easier bonus conditions than cinquixote since its speed difference, not speed overall. It kinda makes sense since he's one section above don. My favorite cinq id though is cinq outis. Her kit as an evade tank is fun to play and gives great dunban vibes. Overall, I do hope we get similar ids to them. I do have some questions regarding the dieci association though, they use books and knowledge to fight which is kinda similar to the library itself. It also sounds similar to the idea of the "bookhunters" briefly mentioned in one of the alternate endings. Using multiple id's of one character COULD make sense lorewise. Spoilers ahead for Leviathan.
Garnet was able*(forced) to refract into multiple mirrors and used them at the same time to (almost *(jobbed at the last moment)) beat a Ring member. He used Black Silence, Shi, Lulu, and a Ring Officer at the same time. At the very least, it might be possible to apply skills/passives from one id to another.
One thing you missed is Nclair is very good in clashes. Everytime he loses a coin in a clash he doesn't lose potential to win overall. If his skill 3 loses all the way to his last coin he STILL has a chance at the full 30 unlike Cinqclair who at his last coin would only have 9 at best, and if you lose that many in a row winning with a 9 is unlikely.
Still I do agree and like that Nclair at least has some solid competition outside of just his support passives.
I think you misunderstood him, Nclair is good in clashing its just the Cclair is overall better in that field. Just look at both their skill 1's, the skill you have the highest chance of getting, at max Ncalir can get a base of 8 for its clashing wich is bad, then compare it to Cclairs base 11 with the ability to go up to 14 with its speed ability.
@@nowaif9144 My main point is just that if Cinqclair starts to lose he will continue to lose more and more which negative coins don't have as a problem.
If we look at your example, if Cinqclair starts losing his skill goes from at best (based just on coins) 11 to a 7 and he'll lose SP if he loses the whole clash which will make clashes harder and harder to win. If Nclair starts losing, his coins at best goes from 8 to still an 8. Also he gets MORE likely to win as his SP goes down as he will get tail coin flips meaning he maintains his higher number instead of lowering it like Cinqclair.
@@BrokenfirealarmYou don't lose SP on clash lose, though?
@@Brokenfirealarm Why are you assuming that we are losing SP instead of gaining it, which is what generally happens when you win clashes? Forget it, if you don't believe in ESGOO I doubt you're gonna listen to me anyways.
@@nowaif9144 Please read my original comment again where I literally end it by saying "I agree." I'm just stating a small benefit Nclair has. You can't go into every fight thinking you will win every single clash. It's nice to know that IF, not guaranteed just possible, things turn bad it's at least easier to recover.
Yeah, i definitely think the longer we go into the game. The more balanced nclair will be, as having to balance out his sanity will be more important, and corrosion will have a mich bigger punishment if it happens. So the more higher power ego we have, the more viable other sinclair ids will be.
so true, with the biggest opportunity cost and most effective way to play him, is to just remove his ego's so he doesnt go insane and kill everyone when corroding. i imagine we'll get a Regret Meursalt level ego from walpurgisnacht for sinclair, and if its so insanely strong that you dont want to remove it, then i can imagine people being more hesitant with nclair.
me, 10 months from now, watching sinclair one shot my entire railway team with ALEPH corrosion
The other thing is that negative IDs need different levels of sanity management. I can't think that running a whole bunch of them will work very well, when we have more.
Thanks for the content! Also interesting that Sinclair is currently the only sinner who has to balance negative sanity being good on egos.
NClair's negative coins massively buff his clashing potential though, because they basically restart at max value on each clash turn. In other words, his skill 3 for example has at least 3 chances to roll 30 and only becomes "safer" the more coins he loses. Hell, with 1 coin left, he will always roll at LEAST an 18.
Compare this to positive skills, where you might only win a clash turn if you hit ALL heads - but if even one coins rolls tails, you will never reach the max value anymore and will lose the entire clash.
That's my biggest problem with Sun Heathclif actually. Even is his skill 1 is suppose to loose clash to drain sanity, he always narrowly win by the end and gain back way too much of it
@@duykhangtran4406 use his counter it gives no sp and applies sinking on him
It's a great trait of negative coins, you start with them as a high damage, low clash skill and if it's going to lose the clash it just converts itself into a high clash, low damage skill on the fly.
@@duykhangtran4406 The stupid hobo is probably the only time i have said, "godammit WHY do you win so many Skill 1's!"
ESGOO, I just wanted to give you late thanks for your Railway video you did a while back. It really helped me out after I tried bashing my head against the (game) wall and kept my sanity in check during the repeating cycles. At the end of my hellish journey I got rewarded with FIshmael from the guaranteed 000 ticket which was a tremendous achievement because I wanted her so much (I missed her back then because I didn't play during her release and only came back recently in November). And hopefully PM will finally bless us this year with new identities for some rather forgotten team archetypes... nah, what am I saying, there is probably more charge on the way (Man, I love charge).
Yeah you put it exactly perfectly. Even up to the point of drip. Like can we just appreciate how hard PM went with all the Cinq outfits? They're literally so beautiful and stylish, and it adds even more now that Don doesnt have to be alone. You can run the 3 Cinqs and watch their Bluey spiffiness demolish everything
I just love the way their capes move with them as they fight, move, and dodge. It makes them feel so stylish.
the biggest rivalry is that Nclair has some of my favorite clashing effect with just the INSANE power you feel behind his swings (minus skill 1)
but Cclair- wait that dosen't work... Cinqlair dosen't have that power, but it has a stylish flair to it, and although its slightly cheating by using the index flair (one of my favorite LoR factions) its still a very tough competition, personally i stick with Nclair beacuse i just love N corp too much, the crusading madman drip beats out ponces with the ultimate dweeb weapon (sharp stick)
What a good video about Limbus Company by the new up and coming youtuber, ESGOO. I really enjoyed this video about the gameplay, music, art, and character design choices of Limbus Company, developed by Project Moon, who also developed Lobotomy Corporation and Library of Ruina. This gave me great insight into the thoughts of Kim Jihoon, and I have to thank ESGOO for that. This gacha game where you can do hundreds of pulls is one of my favorites. This comment is not just for the algorithm. Other gacha games include Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail. Thank you ESGOO.
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Since Dark Souls i've used armors and weapons not because they're meta, but because they look cool. Same with almost every other game, including Limbus. Mariachi Sinclair may be garbage, but his *Shake-Shake* is making my day every time
I swear the devs just hate mariachi sinclair, he has two 8 max roll skills with a subpar 1 coin skill and when uptie 4 came around instead of buffing coin power like they did with W-sault, they made him reliant on on rime chank to have acceptable skill power
@@creeperbros-dg9jr Just give him aggro and clash loss condition, and this will be a usable ID. I feel like there will be a total overhaul of old IDs one day, to make them meet the standards. And make them have only the mechanics that they need. For example
Did you know that Rabbit Heath has rupture on his s3?
Neither did I, before I checked his s3
@@kycok_xypmbl1281 mariachi would've been godlike if they gave it aggro even if only on his skill through, otherwise giving him haste would've also been nice, given his role as an evade tank and that he's a dancer
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I think Sinclair is now the most reliable Sinner at the moment
He has good Blunt with NClair
Good Pierce with Cinqlair
And decently good Slash with BL Sinclair
And I mean Blade Lineage, not the other BL.
BL Sinclair rolls really bad tho
Happy new year Esgoo.
I hope you keep making these videos and stream more.
Starting the new year off with a banger vid of a banger sinner!
One of the reasons why he’s so strong for me is: [Evade]
The biggest win for Cinqlair is benefiting from Fluid Sack spam in mirror dungeon content. Far too many runs have included Nclair in the team, only to never use him from preserving his low sanity for important fights... which never happened.
That said, it is nice to have two heavy hitting options. And Nclair is probably better for non-dungeon fights just for the reliability of clashing with his S2 and S3.
This was very well made, both in terms of how you presented your argument and the visuals of the video. Really nice stuff, I'm impressed.
Also, I can all but guarantee you that any gacha worth its salt will never, under any circumstance, nerf a character that people rolled for directly, since that would be akin to taking a product people paid for and making it worse. Obviously, that's a terrible look for a company to give off, so it almost never happens, even with blatantly broken stuff (Caster Artoria in Fate/Grand Order, for example).
Given the state of current content, even with Nclair being how he is, I've found myself migrating away from using any Sinclair IDs at all (Except funnily enough Talisman), solely because I was sick of dealing with his sanity micromanagement. In MDs, he needed the first skill slot in order not to skyrocket to 45 SP, but then it would be the opposite problem and he would manage to corrode, so I just dropped him. I think the only time I even used him in Canto 5 was the Ricardo fight.
Glad PM is giving me a bigger reason to use another Sinclair ID, Cinq is a beast in Poise MD runs.
Yeah, I’ve definitely soured to Nclair over time because of how much of a PITA it is to to keep his sanity low enough to roll well without hitting corrosion.
Thanks for the video! Happy Holidays to you!
For the record, NClair's opportunity costs to me include his sins (gluttony is something I'm often in short supply on) and that I sometimes just brain fart and let/make him corrode. Fun factor and style can't be ignored either.
The idea of 1 sinner but whole team is they id has been in my mind ever since season 2started.
Now that limbus has got decent amount of ID,seeing that hong lu have 2 id that have bleed kit making me wonder what if they bare together,heck not even need to be in the battle,just need they support passive,it would be funny to see first mate yi sang have lineage yi sang support passive,amd Gregor get 10hp regen every turn and 5hp for every clash win,and the potential of healthcliff nuke.
It such a concept that would be nice to have even if it not leaving impact in the game progress
7:46 I agree, but I also raise you convenience. I can almost use cinqclair winrate in my sleep. I consistently bring IDs over their sinner’s charge counterpart because of the convenience. All this to say, I am Incredibly Lazy.
Thanks for the video, great as always.
On the flip side you're preparing the young impressionable kids to think about opportunity cost at an earlier age!
Truly, new year special
I think I'm a little bit of an out of the ordinary player when it comes to making use of the Opportunity Cost of certain IDs, that being I got too attached to the characters and now I don't want to use the IDs where they're suffering.. In doing so I just straight up did not use Sinclair for anything because his IDs were either bad or in the Torment Nexus that is N Corp, so I'm really really happy that the Cinq ID is a perfectly usable ID because even if it was just okay I'd still be using it over Nclair (just like how I'm taking Remnant Faust, or Yuri Faust as I call her, everywhere for the story when Regret and 7 are right there in my pocket)
I am honestly never returning to n sinclair ever after cinqclair. The sanity i frankly find infuriating to deal with and would much prefer to have dice back. And while nclair goes brrr, him relying on negative sanity debuffs my entire team by default since then you wouldn't be able to make full use out of fluid sack without literally actively gimping what is essentially one of your main dps when decice to run him. And something that actively pisses me off about him and rabbit man. They're both aging that should be clear heathcliff more so but to that one super useful tool in their kit they will be clinging onto dear life due to that one thing.
I like to use both ID to solo bosses, Nclair can do massive damage and you don't have to worry about corrosion, and Cinq Sinclair evasion is high enough to dodge most attacks and his skill 2 and 3 is consistent for clashing. In general I wouldn't say which is better, as someone who is stilling grinding the MD3H with different team focus on status effects, they both belong to there respective teams, ( yes I count Nclair as burn ). The MD reward the player with more starlight if you don't use the same characters from previous runs, so I can bench Sinclair for someone who fits the team better.
Cinq Clair is a strong ID where you always hit the “Win Rate” button and enjoy your life
N Clair is a strong ID where you always hit the “Win Rate” button, enjoy your life until a moment you realise the sanity is -45 and you are doomed
Funnily enough I think even though this vid says this is a nice new step, I would say Sinclair is definitively the last unit that got the whole opportunity cost balancing. Every other Sinner had at least two viable IDs that were either directly competing with various differences that can make one the pick over the other, even if one is generally better (Chef Ryoshu vs Warp Ryoshu for example), or two IDs who's purposes were so distinct from one another that you never felt like you were "giving up" something to run them (K Corp Hong Lu vs TingTang Hong Lu, Zwei Greg vs Pirate Greg, basically every good status specialist vs pure damage dealer). I think it took Sinclair so long to get one specifically because they knew that they HAVE to make it compete with NClair, the overall best unit in the game, who they made way overtuned and cannot nerf.
There's also opportunity costs between K Corp and TingTang Hong Lu, considering the nigh-unkillable monstrosity that is K Corp and the sheer amount of damage done by TingTang
Ninclair has the added bonus of top 3 best visuals of an ID in the game.
Happy new year esgoo
I've spent a good deal of the last week using Cinq Sinclair for grinding Christmas packages, because he solos it very nicely.
So yeah, it's nice to know the unchallenged meta is starting to crack.
ESGOO bringing quality limbus company as usual.
Thankfully got enough validation in this video that I don't need to take down my shrine to red-sheet Sinclair
This season, I use NClair a lot less cause I really like Molar & Talisman Sinclair. Team synergy is fun.
another advantage nclair has had as well is that impending day, which was sinclair's only ego aside from his base one, is a negative coin, same with 9:2 which is also burn, which meant that nclair was the only one who could somewhat consistently getting big impact from them with lantern being the only one that benefits from high sanity so hopefully as he gets more positive egos the power scaling of other ids will rise
N Sinclair big numbers make my brain happy. You are right on mirror though, either he will go insane or have too much sanity to be useful. When mirror was 7 member team I would make him my 7th with the rest of N Corp + Chef Ryoshu which did ok enough. Now I forfeit him completely as I need members who can last instead of doing an insane burst of damage. N Sinclair though will still for now be my exp/thread dungeon member just for the damage number.
10:33
The "John Self-destructive Purge" was an obvious reference to John Starofthecity.
Hi, I was recommend this video and clicked on it.
I had no idea this game existed, have absolutely no idea what's going on, and am extremely confused.
Regardless, good video! :D
Been really enjoying Cinq Sinclair, the team is just insanely fun and though I’ll probably always take NClair into HMD I love using him
I still believe (while breathing through some copium) that, one day, Sunshower Heath will be his best ID.
You got your wish for this canto o:
Cinqlair is slightly better because his 2 fragile can apply first almost every time. His damage is his own skill damage, plus the additional damage other units attacking that body part. Among other things, Cinqlair is the most stable clasher in the game now if we don't talk about the niche of needing to clash between 28 to 30. TT Hong Lu has less S2 anyway.
I love both the sinclairs
Cinq Sinclair go brrr. (The comment for the algorithm for you Larry). Happy new years Bois!
man i can't wait for the day when we need to think of Opportunity Cost when picking Gregor id
The esgoo curse, now all cinq id’s will roll higher than nclair.
im still waiting for pm to remember the fact that rabbits used to selfdestruct to eliminate panic hazard in lobcorp, tbh i wish they could bring that back to atleast rcorp enemies in future or have some buffs(ammo regen or smth) come along with that
Now were getting phillilpclair 😂😂😂
Balancing via Payment which is also part of opportunity cost
i do know Nclair is pretty strong, but i am still that one person who just wants to try other things now and then so i can refresh myself with the same battle. Plus while Nclair is strong in battle, the times where you don't need Nclair means you are then allowed to consider what passives he would bring as a support, and that's where you still will consider raising the other Sinclairs to match other kinds of team synergies, which is really good of this game to still make other IDs relevant regardless of the OP units coming out. Also my RCliff is strong but is often the first one dead when he somehow loses one clash and staggers instantly so his balance is honestly being a glass cannon
Plus regardless of OP topic, the best fan service this game will ever bring that doesn't involve a certain body and angle appeal, is seeing more sinners taking their version of a group of IDs or EGO that continue to, even if miniscule, create more lore into the game from their perspective under the syndicate or EGO. So yeah OP or not, i just like seeing more IDs and EGO regardless and be hyped or even disappointed with the skill animation and sound quality
see, that's the funny thing. I have a team of Seven Outis and Ryoshu just to keep the generation of sins going to spam Ebony Apple, same with Blade (now Harpoon) Yi Sang being there for Sunshower. I even had Heathcliff's Seven in there some times, and 9 times outta 10 the entire comp worked. As neat as the OP ID's are for each character, you can still be interesting and have fun with the worst of it if planned well.
I've been saying this for a long time and will say this now.
Qcliff does not need a full envy team for max potential. I think sin-oriented teams quite literally doesn't matter. You can put Qcliff in a charge nuke team and it'll still be good for fueling his S3. Just bring IDs that has envy affinity. Secondly the only part in his kit that requires envy res is his S3, and it's not like that's an integral part.
R Heathcliff's S1 is also not that good. Let's be honest here.
Dang was not expecting this
I don’t want my boy to suffer, so I just use Mariachi Sinclair for his passive. :(
I have just found Cinq Sinclair to be a lot more fun. I didn't find the sanity management of Nclair to be too fun to deal with, so I'm happy to have a new ID to use.
Now time for the cursed to kick in and PM proceed to release bad sinclair id for the rest of game life span
i have both sinclair at level 40 and uptie 4 and honestly i prefer cinqlair its just way easier to manage a positive sanity id over a negative one and i can actually use ego without corroding with cinqlair, and while nigglair(yes i call him that and no one can stop me) does have a good damage his inconsistency with the rolls and being at 50%-75% to corrode everytime i use ego is just bad, and i see people using the argument that nigglair is a good clasher because of the negative coin and losing a clash helps him but the amount of clashes he loses because i cant have a 95% to roll tails just removes his damage way too much to be that good of a clasher, and cinqlair can give fragile and has a great synergy with sticky muck on mirror dungeon, and with all that said i will still probably use nigglair everytime an enemy is weak to either blunt or wrath because of big damage numbers.
This was enjoyable. I don't really watch limbus analysis videos
first esgoo video of the year let's go
This is truly the "Pick Your Poison" Moment with sinners having multiple 000
Ncorp sinclair will always be my fav for the rigged encounters where 50/50 looks like 20/80 until he starts rolling all heads with -10 sanity while the rest of the team hit all tails with +20 sanity which just give me ulcers, the fact he doesnt lose clash power when losing coins but instead "winning" clash power is the biggest seller, cause even a guaranted 18 is still better than most things, specially for those fights where losing a clash mean lose the battle (am looking at you samurai sans)
The biggest oppirtunity cost is who do you simp for.
Which is the reason I UT4 all of Meurmeur's IDs the moment I get my hands on them.
Ishmael is one I personally believe is the biggest example of this due to how strong most of her id's are.
Assuming a best case scenario for both characters, Cinq does more s3 damage than N, on top of all the other issues NClair has (unable to clash without increasing his sanity, constant sanity gain from current content (enemies dying in MD is free sanity for him), one of the worst s1s any 000 has). There really are very few situations where NClair is better than Cinq, and most require the ability to run an ID that just doesnt ever clash.
nah nclair best drip look at him he's so cute he's like a cat that you really need to wash
Why i keep thinking about 2 sinclair ID start kissing each other though the video
Yknow I think that’s very specifically a you problem
@@therealESGOO i blame it on your expert edit
Esgoos been gone for a year now, i think hes moved on from youtube guys.
Honestly the biggest thing about Nclair for me is his animations, when you hit that Self destructive purge, your brain just gon be filled with the happy chemicals, that animation is so crunchy its just peak, damage is also nice but yknow, same case with Magic bullet outis (how do you shorten her name, Magic outis? M outis?)
I personally think nclair runs well in the mirror dungeon as someone who doesn't have gripfaust. It makes it so you hardly ever have to manage the sanity cost (and lose damage because of it).
By the way, I assume you talked about it in a different video but the way the tree of knowledge ego works seems like sinclair really was made for negative coins skills, which is probably partly why nclair is so good.
Speaking of oportunity cost, something that i think is a VERY big problem but saw no one talk about, is pequod Yi Sang
Like, every ID has an use, even the bad ones like mariachi Sinclair (sinking) or LCCB Rodion (Middle Don envy spam), but Yi Sang already had a Poise ID before, being Blade Lineage, so both pequod and BL Yi Sang have the exact same use, except that pequod is objectively better, making BL Yi Sang completely outdated and overclassed, by a 00 ID even! It honestly makes me afraid of it happening in the future, because i spent a bunch of resources getting BL Yi Sang on UT IV and it turned out to be for nothing, just because a better option came out of nowhere.
Eh, I wouldn't call Pequod Yi Sang outright better. Blade Lineage does A) slash damage for when we get enemies weak to it, B) actually has better rolls over all for clashing even without the power gain, and C) has a lot less risk of just losing all of his poise due to being unlucky to crit too much. All of this and both of his passives are just better
Suspect once WAW & ALEPH EGO start popping up the corrosion risk for NClair is gonna jump more versus just picking a safer unit to use big stick attacks more consistently.
The biggest reason I ran Nclair consistently was not the damage, but the clashes, his skill 3 outweighs many EGOs and is specially useful when regular enemies start rolling 27~ (I am speaking for experience, it hurts) on MDH
my face when PM launch Cinqclar a day after i buy Nclair
I prefer buffs over nerfs in pretty much all games but especially in single player games like Limbus.
I wound much rather have a game that is always power creeping it previous "Generation" than a game that stays the same power but constantly frustrates players.
Nerfs make sense only when a thing is frustrating to vs / go against.
Cinqclair is so fun compared to nclair
Especially if you create the Lucky Pouch combination ego gift. If you think rolling a 26 on his skill 3 is crazy, try rolling a 38 instead!
Why is N-clair not fun? Is being insane not fun?
Idk man fencing is dweeb shit compared to crushing heretics with a axe larger then you
Hey ESGOO could you do a drip tier list, I want to prepare the most stylish team possible for RR3
SINCLAIR! SINCLAIR! SINCLAIR! YES, a mode where i can only run sinclairs! SINCLAIR! SINCLAIR! SINCLAIR! thank you, mister esgoo! SINCLAIR! SINCLAIR! SINCLAIR!
i actually use zweiclair for his support passive. mostly because i just don't run most sinclair IDs due to them either being welfare (in case of Molarclair), garbage, or just not something I want to use.
Sanity management? Whats that? I only know bringing nclair with everyone else being positive sanity ID's and spamming win rate
The curse of ESGOO's videos being irrelevant within 4 months of publishing
something to point out about you saying Cinq Sinclair is a better clasher is that, because he is a positive coin ID, losing coins in a clash is a problem with him, whereas with NClair, the more coins he loses in a clash, the less likely he becomes to lose the clash because he is a negative coin ID, which leads to NClair almost never losing clashes regardless of his sanity (at least when im using him)
Opportunity cost, also known as "power creep doesnt exist because bennett exists"
don't forget Cinqclair can be even more boosted by Cinqtis. he will most of the time be the fastest dude in the team after all.
Well every strong ID has some drawbacks it is based on what IDs are easy to manage for you but hell maybe I'm wrong
My team mostly " wanted " to be 45 sanitys so NSinclair is not my team couple so Cinq Sinclair is more good because I used dodge team and hight speed rolls
Nclair always rubbed me wrong, gameplay wise. His damage WAS nice, of course, but the sanity management didn't feel fun or intuitive, and he almost felt like selling my soul. "I could run someone else for more team synergy, or the ego resources they provide, or because they like them... but Nclair exists." I must've said something like that to myself a hundred times after getting him recently. Almost like a pandora's box, I wanted him, got him, then regretted it. But now that Cinqclair is out, I can forget he ever existed, ever, forever, and never touch him again.
Until they find a way to make him the only viable option again. Can't wait for the Aleph ego that PERFECTLY synergizes with him, and no other IDs.
If you think about it it fits the ID. Project moon did it again!
Speaking of the issue of Opportunity Cost, I'm kind of disappointed with some design of tier IV ego gifts in Mirror Dungeon 3, especially Bloody Mist (and combined with Lucky Pouch).
They are easy to obtain but make Bleed & Poise team becomes excessively powerful, making high difficulty level become too easy. And also makes it less likely to consider using other type teams when grinding mirror dungeon.
Eventually, I agree with your perspective; Drip is more important than strength.
i would say the bell for tremor also takes tremor from shit to busted, you just need to upgrade it and it does 2 fragility on tremor burst for 2 rounds which made like every fight i had have the enemies with 10 fragility
good argument, however
he is more fun!
also you are forgetting the 5 paralyze next turn on bl sinclair s3
As a new player who heard about N corp ids and just wanted them for lore after finish Canto 3. Getting Cinq Sinclair was a disappointment at first. But he has easily become and MVP in my teams often beating W Ryoshu who had been my biggest damage dealer for a while. Ive even had times where hes stolen a win from the jaws of death and its really make me appreciate what he offers even if i can build a team to save my life.
what really matters is if you have don on your team
hey, that cinqclair guy is me