1840s calculator! Palmer's Pocket Scale Review / HowTo

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  • @GreggDurishan
    @GreggDurishan 2 года назад +25

    "it's the bubbles" is a supremely succinct answer to the question that immediate pops into one's head when hearing there's wine gallons and beer gallons.

    • @michaelbauers8800
      @michaelbauers8800 2 месяца назад

      "This beer sold by weight, not volume and some settling of the contents may have occurred during shipping"

  • @omegasalmonfish
    @omegasalmonfish 2 года назад +11

    Nothing beats a cool Aaron Palmer on a hot summer day

  • @Laundry_Hamper
    @Laundry_Hamper 2 года назад +65

    The answer to "what's the oldest physical object you own" is inevitably: a rock

    • @johnsrabe
      @johnsrabe 2 года назад +13

      I collect new rocks and am letting them age before I use them.

    • @GreggDurishan
      @GreggDurishan 2 года назад +5

      i watched something a while ago, i forget what, that made interesting arguments about early jewish concepts of creation meaning something more along the lines of "being arranged into some purposeful order". so kinda in the same way that chris probably meant "oldest man-made object", god making existence, it argued, was more of a bringing order to chaos kind of thing.

    • @michaelbauers8800
      @michaelbauers8800 2 месяца назад

      I own an actual piece of a space rock, bought at great expense. I can only presume it's roughly 4.5 billions years old, but then it may have been created in a lab, how would I know for sure :)

  • @unspeakablevorn
    @unspeakablevorn 2 года назад +37

    “It is a profoundly erroneous truism that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them.”
    - Alfred North Whitehead

    • @johnsrabe
      @johnsrabe 2 года назад +2

      Said the guy named for a zit? Or vice versa? No thanks!

  • @akda5id
    @akda5id 2 года назад +10

    7:39 Aww, you missed a great chance to hold up one of your pocket mechanical calculators here (perhaps the Arithma Addiator).

  • @circle9nerd
    @circle9nerd 2 года назад +7

    I think American children growing up in the 1840's learned a whole different kind of division. Cool book and awesome video! Original!

  • @warped_rider
    @warped_rider 2 года назад +16

    Damn, math teachers were lying about how we won't have a calculator in our pocket all the way back in the 1800s.

  • @ninam6826
    @ninam6826 2 года назад +20

    Legitimately the funniest and most informative videos on RUclips 🙏

  • @gordoncouger9648
    @gordoncouger9648 Год назад +1

    A circular slide rule outperforms many computer calculators in finding the percentage of each nutrient each component of the ration contributes to the whole. One never runs off the end of a circular slide rule. Unless the calculator is programmable it takes longer to enter the numbers than to set up the slide rule and write down the numbers.

  • @Vallee152
    @Vallee152 2 года назад +2

    My head is surely spinning from all those examples

  • @someonespadre
    @someonespadre 2 года назад +6

    An acre is the amount of farmland a single plowman could plow in a day. 1 furlong (10 chains or 660 feet) by 1 chain (66 feet). A furlong is the distance a team of oxen could plow before resting the team then they would be turned to go the other way. Another fun fact, if you know the size of a tract of land in chains x chains then (chains times chains)/10 equals acres.

  • @antoniocorona2433
    @antoniocorona2433 2 года назад +3

    5:50 "Man if I has a nickle for every time..." I really like this little joke for a clearly unrelatable math problem.

  • @AndyLundell
    @AndyLundell 2 года назад +7

    1:30 "foremost of all the calculating machines and ready reckoners"
    I had never heard the phrase "ready reckoners" before. What a great phrase. Looking it up, it seems it mostly means a lookup table? I knew lookup tables were a big deal in the olden days. Didn't realize they had a fun name.

    • @gordoncouger9648
      @gordoncouger9648 Год назад +2

      I still use ready reckoners in lookup tables for trig functions and other floating-point calculations when writing fast code on small slow CPUs. The tables are scaled to match the magnitude needed for the process. Often I only need a very narrow range of angles with 2 decimal places of precision when calculating the state 16 switches. Most operations on a 68HC11 take 1 to 4 clock cycles. A division takes 47. It all but dies from my point of view when the floating point library is loaded. Ready reckoners as lookup tables solve many of those problems.

  • @michaelbauers8800
    @michaelbauers8800 2 месяца назад +2

    Just the other day, I saw a kid, and I wanted to see if they knew anything, so asked them to calculate the mean diameter of a cask. And they pulled out some sort of small box from their pocket and spoke into it, to get the answer. So I screamed "Witchcraft!!!!!"

  • @pierQRzt180
    @pierQRzt180 Год назад +1

    One thing that is important in doing calculations (every now and then) is to get a feeling of the numbers.
    A device can be defective or incorrect. If chatGPT replies "35 x 76 is 37563" one may not bat an eye and consider it correct if actually one is not aware that at most the product should have 4 digits.

  • @michaelbauers8800
    @michaelbauers8800 2 месяца назад +1

    I get so bored in meetings, rather than taking notes, I use Newton's method to compute square roots, so I practice long division quite often.

  • @TheNadOby
    @TheNadOby 2 года назад +3

    Really like your channel, and slide rules are fun.

  • @friedrichrutzen1705
    @friedrichrutzen1705 2 года назад +1

    The lead sphere problem has its application in ammo: how large is the ball for a three pound gun and how big is a 12-gauge shotgun (1/12th of a pound of lead and make balls from that)

  • @nashvillain171
    @nashvillain171 2 года назад +12

    Frustrum makes an appearance AGAIN

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +10

      The algorithm loves it

    • @rogerrabbit80
      @rogerrabbit80 2 года назад

      @@ChrisStaecker All hail the Supreme Algorithm!

    • @Laundry_Hamper
      @Laundry_Hamper 2 года назад +6

      Would it blow your mind to find out there's no second R in that word? I read, wrote and said it wrong for eons. Even Palmer missed that one!

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +5

      @@Laundry_Hamper You're blowing my mind! I'm not sure I can give up the second R...

  • @r0bhumm
    @r0bhumm 2 года назад +2

    Since this video is about circular slide rules I thought it appropriate to comment here. I have just managed to acquire both an old is King helical pocket sniper wolf and a fuller calculator.
    Both of these are cylindrical or helical slide walls but very different yeah just King is a device that looks like it could be used by one of the men in Black, wealthy Fuller is more like some sort of ancient scroll from the library of Alexandria even though it was manufactured in the 50s.
    I hope to be able to demonstrate them at our local schools for a bit of cross learning maths history computing perhaps even engineering.

  • @AndyLundell
    @AndyLundell 2 года назад +5

    Request : Do you have a nice-resolution photo of the calculator itself? I'd like to print one off for my own use.
    I'd use the one on Google Books, but some preservationist helpfully wrapped the back cover in cloth.

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +6

      I just put it here: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Palmer%27s_pocket_scale.jpg

    • @AndyLundell
      @AndyLundell 2 года назад +2

      @@ChrisStaecker Awesome. Thank you.
      And thanks for the quick reply!

  • @badasson8825
    @badasson8825 2 года назад +3

    Is that truly a portrait of Mr. Palmer or just a fake out for representation? So high quality of an image for an invention from just 20 years before

  • @rogerrabbit80
    @rogerrabbit80 2 года назад +4

    Where did you get that metal circular slide rule we see at 3:30?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +3

      I got it randomly at an estate sale in Connecticut. It seems to be rare? I can’t find much info about it online but it is the same as ones branded “controller”.

  • @TomCarlson
    @TomCarlson 2 года назад +2

    There’s a Computing Scale and Time Telegraph bundle on eBay right now for 350 bones!

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +1

      Nice… never seen those for sale

    • @TomCarlson
      @TomCarlson 2 года назад +1

      And here my wife wasted her Xmas gift money on a Nintendo Switch. Won’t she feel silly if I pick them up with mine!

  • @assert_justice3783
    @assert_justice3783 2 года назад +2

    Frustrum is such a fun word.

    • @DeGuerre
      @DeGuerre Год назад +1

      The word is "frustum". Surely I'm not the only sad nerd who read that and got immediately annoyed.
      Anyone? Please?

  • @LANless
    @LANless 2 года назад +1

    Love it!

  • @_beel
    @_beel 2 года назад +4

    Chris what's the name of the soundtrack in the video intro?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +6

      It’s one of the stock jingles in iMovie. “Breakbeat”

    • @_beel
      @_beel 2 года назад

      @@ChrisStaecker Thanks

  • @terenceokane
    @terenceokane 2 года назад +2

    Cool vid! Like the dive into an old piece of tech! Just FYI I'm 99% sure youre showing pics of ARNOLD Palmer, NOT Aaron Palmer. You might be being cheeky so if so, I'm just a dummy!

  • @rlamacraft
    @rlamacraft 2 года назад +3

    Doesn't a circular slide rule have the advantage that it wraps around?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +3

      On a circular slide rule, you’ll never have a calculation that goes “off the end”, which is possible in theory on a straight slide rule. (I assume this is why Palmer called it the "endless computing scale", although he didn't invent the concept of a circular slide rule.) I’m not a slide rule expert but I believe that going off the end on a straight slide rule is always avoidable if you’re doing it right- so I don't think this is really a big deal. But I could be wrong about that...

    • @rlamacraft
      @rlamacraft 2 года назад

      @@ChrisStaecker I’m no expert on them either and what you’re saying sounds reasonable given the continued use of the traditional slide rule long after the circular’s invention - if the circular one was that much better it would have supplanted the linear one

    • @timharig
      @timharig Год назад +1

      That is EXACTLY the advantage of a circular slide rule. You never have to reposition the slide for going off the end. You just go around the scale and add a zero every time you pass the origin.

    • @timharig
      @timharig Год назад

      ​@@ChrisStaecker Going of of the end is unavoidable on a straight slide rule -- especially when doing multiple serial calculations. What you do when that happens is work the sliderule backwards indicating the result in the opposite end of the slide rule and adding a zero to the result.
      For instance, if I want to multiply a number by four, I would move the 1 on the C scale to the four on the D scale. But if the other number is greater than 2.5 it goes off of the end of the scale. So instead, I move the 10 (labeled 1 on the opposite side) on the C scale to the 4 on the D scale. I then read backwoods to find the number I'm multiplying by. Whenever you go around the scale like this, you have to add another zero to the result.
      For a single calculation, you should already know which way to slide the rule. This usually happens during a series of calculations. You save the result of the calculation using the cursor and reposition the slide as necessary.
      The circle slide rule saves having to figure out which direction to move and read the slide. You just keep going around the circle. You have to remember to add another zero each time you pass the origin.

    • @timharig
      @timharig Год назад +1

      ​@@rlamacraft Contrary to what was stated in the video, straight slide rules were consider more portable. There were slide rule holsters that you could attach to your belt. They were the pocket calculators of their day. Circular slide rules were more like the form factor of a book. They were generally larger models that you kept on your desk and optimized the scale size to get as much precision as possible.

  • @johnsrabe
    @johnsrabe 2 года назад +2

    Missing pages can equal a lot of missing dollars for fastidious collectors who won’t make do with a scan.

  • @pauljackson3491
    @pauljackson3491 2 года назад

    A review I didn't see! Now I can stop rewatching old ones; they are still funny though.
    How long did it take to flip through the book before you sped it up?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +1

      Took a while I guess- I was going slow so I wouldn't hurt the pages.

  • @pyglik2296
    @pyglik2296 2 года назад +3

    8:20 How can you not know this off the top of your head!? Do you even watch the show?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +7

      I must confess I pulled this example randomly off the wiki as something that I assumed would seem to the layman like an obscure triviality. When I showed it to my kid she informed me that it wasn't nearly obscure enough to be believable as something that needs to be looked up. Sorry!

  • @arturomateo3920
    @arturomateo3920 2 года назад

    Nicee

  • @OldManBOMBIN
    @OldManBOMBIN Год назад

    Hey no joke I do need that last part sometimes. But, yeah. I just use my phone.

  • @antiphlex
    @antiphlex Год назад

    Another classic episode. Man, if you had a comedy show, I'd buy the season pass.

  • @alexanderarnold6202
    @alexanderarnold6202 2 года назад +1

    Seems like the examples may have use in like architecture or engineering? Some kind of design stuff. Pretty arbitrary nonetheless

  • @colinstu
    @colinstu 2 года назад +5

    You would have one nickel.

  • @OldManBOMBIN
    @OldManBOMBIN Год назад

    *This* is what they were doin' in the 1840s?
    😂

  • @christopherneufelt8971
    @christopherneufelt8971 2 года назад

    The picture is not of 1844. Also the clothing. The picture is of around 1950-1960. In addition, in the past the calculation of commodities was the principle issue of small trade. Also the mathematics of mechanisms and mechanics were already 80 years old. There was a good reasoning of computing these strange things.

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +10

      Yes I agree many of these calculations would have been useful to lots of people. And yes the photo is not from 1844- I’ll leave it to the interested viewer to try to figure out the joke. IYKYK

    • @mitch5297
      @mitch5297 2 года назад +9

      @@ChrisStaecker Why didn't you show the function for which it was invented? To calculate the perfect ratio of lemonade to iced tea.

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 года назад +7

      THIS guy gets it!

    • @johnsrabe
      @johnsrabe 2 года назад +3

      @@mitch5297 There is now no living person with a common drink named for them. Roy Rogers, Shirley Temple, Arnold Palmer, Martin I … they’re all gone.

  • @autismuskaefer
    @autismuskaefer 3 месяца назад

    THe guys from the past had too much time and too much words