Haha, great video. I fly out of PAMR class D, Anchorage, Alaska. It can be utterly nuts, in part because it's sandwiched between a busy Class C and Elmendorf AFB. Last time I flew I was waiting for my take off clearance and the pattern was hopping. Another airplane reported in-bound full stop. ATC replied "Denied! I'm getting destroyed here!!" Just another day in Anchorage! :D
Flew in there once in a Phenom and it was bedlam. Our TCAS was going crazy all the way in. That place was a stirred up hornet's nest but such a cool airport.
i love how i do lessons out of here now and never knew bruno flew outta here so much. this video explains frg so much, every lesson lately i’ve gone to bridgeport to do my lessons because it’s not worth doing it here
I did my training at FRG between 2019 and 2020! And I also used to go to BDR for my lessons, at the time it used to be much easier. In fact, I did my first solo there!
LOL! I can concur, this is my home airport and its always chaos getting in and out. Even the practice areas in the north or the south can be super hectic.
I had this same scenario at Caldwell. 5th for runway 4 with an extended downwind. I was flying a Dakota and catching up on a 172 fast. Couldn't get any slower and I couldn't extend my downwind any more because of Morristown airspace. Definitely gets blood pumping.
A practical application of slow flight and ground reference maneuvers. It's very similar at Bedford, MA (KBED) which can sometimes be an excruciating wait at the hold short line for a departure clearance, sometimes upwards of 15 to 20 minutes paying $6/minute in a rental with an instructor. Why do instructors and students clog up the pattern doing several touch and goes when it's busy?
I guess at some places there aren’t many options for flight training, so they all go/stay at the same pattern. I used to schedule my flight lessons early AM or early evening to try to avoid rush hour, but like you I’ve sat on that hold short line for way too long…
@@FlyWithBruno when I go up at FRG, I aim to be airborne before the tower is even open. That place is a total mess when the weather is nice. My rules for FRG, fly early morning, later evening, or when it's IFR.
My son was in the North Practice Area. He then tracked to Deer Park VOR and entered the downwind for RWY 1. They kept extending him further and further, until he ended up right back in the North Practice Area. Another time he was already over Southern State on approach to 32 when they told him to break off and enter the downwind for 19. I heard him acknowledge the instruction, but I could almost hear him thinking: I'm half a mile out and you're switching runways on me?
Haha classic FRG! Once I was coming from the North, called them over the Northport Stacks, joined the pattern and got extend all the way back to the stacks again… 😂
Entering the right downwind for runway 01, which goes south, and ending up in the north practice area doesn't make a lot of sense unless he circumnavigated the globe. If you mean he went to the South practice area/South shore, that's very possible if it was busy. We have 14 flight schools and a ton of private aircraft, we try to accommodate everyone's request as much as feasible... Sometimes that makes the pattern stretch out. With regard to the runway change, that's not really unusual if you're in a light GA aircraft and VFR. Switching runways with traffic can be a fun puzzle to solve, and we're often loading the new runway's downwind and/or final while launching the last departures from the old runway. If he was doing touch and goes, it's pretty normal to have aircraft on final for 32 track in until they get close to the field and then they can just turn right to enter the left downwind for 19. It's very efficient. If he was a full stop he may have been broken off to 19 because traffic was already short final or rolling on 19 and if we had to switch, we likely didn't have the wind for LAHSO. There are a few other reasons that could have happened too. If you both ever want to come by for a tower tour, reach out.
Sorry, I was typing too fast and didn't proofread. He was on the left downwind for 19. When they broke him off the final to 32, there were three planes holding short; they let them take off on 32 while he led a whole train around up to the Mall.
That makes more sense about the downwind. When 19 is very busy, straight ins become counterproductive very quickly, because the reality is they're often not straight in. The main reporting point from the north is the Northport stacks, which is miles east of the extended centerline of 19. Straight in aircraft will often head directly to the Walt Whitman Mall, which puts them on an angle to a five mile final. When the pattern is busy, this will eventually conflict with aircraft in the left downwind coming from the east or captree. Sometimes we'll instruct aircraft from Northport to "fly westbound to intercept final" in order to mitigate this issue. More often, though, we'll have aircraft fly to the DPK vor, then Belmont lake to enter the left downwind. This merges them with captree traffic at the midfield, and it's generally more effective at preventing conflicts. It also plays nicer with jet/high performance IFR arrivals, since we can delay a base turn instead of having an overtake on final to deal with. Sometimes at the DPK vor we'll have the aircraft follow the LIE for a left base, but if it's busy you're probably getting the whole pattern and yeah, you might extend. Things get pretty interesting when you have a lot of aircraft in the pattern and departures waiting to go. We try to have cancelling touch and goes or having pilots to full stop taxi backs be a last resort. With regard to the 32 break off, that sounds like what I thought it was. When we switch runways, we'll usually give departures that already got the the end of the runway the option to depart from there and not taxi to the new runway. Moving the arrivals into the downwind for the new runway allows us to blast those aircraft off quickly, back to back, and get the runway change over. Gotta just rip it off like a band-aid... An extended period with aircraft operating on two runways without the wind for LAHSO isn't fun. The ideal situation is that the last departures from 32 are launched before the first arrival to 19 lands. If your son was in the middle of that, moving him to 19 and turning him over the LIE or closer gets the departures out. If he was doing touch and goes, he would be changing runways on his crosswind turn anyway.
You said share your story. . . How about being called off final and go back to downwind 3x in a row trying to land on 19. KFRG - they say if you learn here, you can fly anywhere.
Hi, great video! It’s nice how u put the plane visuals on the map and makes it so easy to follow. I live in NYC and was wondering if flight training was worth it up here since the weather isn’t always good. Would you recommend doing it up here or would you recommend people to look somewhere south for training ?
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it! I did my entire training in Long Island and found it to be much like any other place. Weather wasn’t an issue at all. There will always be bad weather days when you can’t fly, but those are the exception and not the rule
Nice video! I fly from EFJY, which is where the Finnish Air Force pilot training takes place. Not uncommon having to do a few 360s in a pattern while a few flights of air force planes take off or land. I've also had four air force planes waiting on three separate taxi ways for me to slowly land and taxi off the runway in a slow ultralight airplane (even slower than a Cessna 150, I believe. It has a max cruising speed of 90 knots!) A bit embarrasing, that...
That's amazing, Patrick! I'd gladly do 10 360s just so I could watch fighter jets landings from that unique perspective haha! And hey, I bet every time a pilot sees a slow 150 landing, they go "well, that was me back in the day...". Or at least I hope they do :)
As a pilot myself out of Orlando super busy airport I think you could have avoided the go around by waiting a bit longer before turning base knowing the 150 was flying slower than you and that would have extended the gap between you two!
I'm sorry but if that auprot is this bussy that makes it dengerous it needs to be designated class c and limit school give then times when each school can fly. I would have never fly there my God. How is this legal
There have been many discussions about turning it into a Class C, but it’s right under a Bravo and next to an actual Class C so there are limitations I guess
@FlyWithBruno midway airprot south of Chicago is engulfed by class b and its still class c and if you land ga airplane there depending who is working it will cost you arm and a leg or two for landing fees pilot schools don't belong belive the side c vail of class b airspace
What a typical dumpster fire, i sincerely hope there was a reason you went to FRG willingly (and not for "cOnTEnT"). Avoid that airport like the plague
I went to FRG to meet up with a friend who had arranged a special guided tour of the NY TRACON, which is a few miles from there. So no, I didn’t go there for “cOnTeNt”. That said, I have wonderful memories from that airport and I always love coming back.
“Please stop talking to me. Talk to ground.”😂
Classic 😂😂😂
I love the sarcasm of the NY controllers.
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Well done to you, Bruno, and the controllers. Controlled chaos.
Thanks, man! Controlled chaos is a great way to put it!
Haha, great video. I fly out of PAMR class D, Anchorage, Alaska. It can be utterly nuts, in part because it's sandwiched between a busy Class C and Elmendorf AFB. Last time I flew I was waiting for my take off clearance and the pattern was hopping. Another airplane reported in-bound full stop. ATC replied "Denied! I'm getting destroyed here!!" Just another day in Anchorage! :D
Haha sounds like a similar experience! But hey, at least the scenery around you is way better 🏔️😎
@@FlyWithBruno Haha, I dunno. Your flights around NYC are awesome!!
NGL, the views of city are pretty impressive too 😎
Been to KFRG only once. The controllers there are incredible. Great stuff!
They’re awesome indeed!
Can always count on a 152 to be a speed bump! Great video, thanks for the love!
Also, 14 flight schools 😂
Haha damnit, 14?! No wonder why it’s so busy!! Big shoutout to you guys!
Thanks! It was a dumpster fire again today
I flight instruct out of FRG, it’s insane here sometimes lol. Does make flying into other towered airports a breeze though
I agree! FRG prepares you for anything 😅
Flew in there once in a Phenom and it was bedlam. Our TCAS was going crazy all the way in. That place was a stirred up hornet's nest but such a cool airport.
Haha I can imagine!! Not for the faint of heart
It's pretty much always like that if it's sunny out 💥
Great controllers.home airport for me. See you around Bruno
The controllers are the best indeed! See you around, Dave!
Thanks for sharing the flight Bruno. Great work by you and kudos to ATC.
Glad you enjoyed it, Chuck! Thanks for watching!
i love how i do lessons out of here now and never knew bruno flew outta here so much. this video explains frg so much, every lesson lately i’ve gone to bridgeport to do my lessons because it’s not worth doing it here
I did my training at FRG between 2019 and 2020! And I also used to go to BDR for my lessons, at the time it used to be much easier. In fact, I did my first solo there!
Tower noticed you are Bruno. So cool. I hope I will experience this situation 😅
It was very cool indeed!
Great video Bruno! It’s nice to see you land at a Long Island Airport once again!
Thanks Steven! It’s always fun to be back!
@@FlyWithBruno Anytime Bruno!
LOL! I can concur, this is my home airport and its always chaos getting in and out. Even the practice areas in the north or the south can be super hectic.
Haha indeed! Always great to be back though!
i'm training for my PPL out of KFRG with 65199! it feels good to know that flying here will make flying at other airports a breeze haha
Thats awesome! Haha Yeah, FRG prepares you for anything 😂
“You are that third piper” 😂
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I had this same scenario at Caldwell. 5th for runway 4 with an extended downwind. I was flying a Dakota and catching up on a 172 fast. Couldn't get any slower and I couldn't extend my downwind any more because of Morristown airspace. Definitely gets blood pumping.
Flew into CDW a couple of times and it definitely gets intense there too!
Great video! Keep up the good work. Brings back my memories of flying from FDK & BWI to PHL PNE SBJ & TEB.
Now I’m stuck in Hawaii 😭
Thank you, Charles! Flying in Hawaii must be amazing though!
Great video. I recently had a almost similar experience the other day at a airport that rarely gets busy lol.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :)
A practical application of slow flight and ground reference maneuvers. It's very similar at Bedford, MA (KBED) which can sometimes be an excruciating wait at the hold short line for a departure clearance, sometimes upwards of 15 to 20 minutes paying $6/minute in a rental with an instructor. Why do instructors and students clog up the pattern doing several touch and goes when it's busy?
I guess at some places there aren’t many options for flight training, so they all go/stay at the same pattern. I used to schedule my flight lessons early AM or early evening to try to avoid rush hour, but like you I’ve sat on that hold short line for way too long…
@@FlyWithBruno when I go up at FRG, I aim to be airborne before the tower is even open. That place is a total mess when the weather is nice. My rules for FRG, fly early morning, later evening, or when it's IFR.
That’s the wise thing to do!
Only time not extended is early in morning like 7am lol
True! Haha
KFRG MENTIONED 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
Love that airport!!
I fly and keep the plane at HWO in Hollywood Florida with like 7 + active flight schools and just as busy but a great learning place.
It prepares you for flying anywhere!
My son was in the North Practice Area. He then tracked to Deer Park VOR and entered the downwind for RWY 1. They kept extending him further and further, until he ended up right back in the North Practice Area. Another time he was already over Southern State on approach to 32 when they told him to break off and enter the downwind for 19. I heard him acknowledge the instruction, but I could almost hear him thinking: I'm half a mile out and you're switching runways on me?
Haha classic FRG! Once I was coming from the North, called them over the Northport Stacks, joined the pattern and got extend all the way back to the stacks again… 😂
Entering the right downwind for runway 01, which goes south, and ending up in the north practice area doesn't make a lot of sense unless he circumnavigated the globe. If you mean he went to the South practice area/South shore, that's very possible if it was busy. We have 14 flight schools and a ton of private aircraft, we try to accommodate everyone's request as much as feasible... Sometimes that makes the pattern stretch out.
With regard to the runway change, that's not really unusual if you're in a light GA aircraft and VFR. Switching runways with traffic can be a fun puzzle to solve, and we're often loading the new runway's downwind and/or final while launching the last departures from the old runway. If he was doing touch and goes, it's pretty normal to have aircraft on final for 32 track in until they get close to the field and then they can just turn right to enter the left downwind for 19. It's very efficient. If he was a full stop he may have been broken off to 19 because traffic was already short final or rolling on 19 and if we had to switch, we likely didn't have the wind for LAHSO. There are a few other reasons that could have happened too.
If you both ever want to come by for a tower tour, reach out.
Sorry, I was typing too fast and didn't proofread. He was on the left downwind for 19.
When they broke him off the final to 32, there were three planes holding short; they let them take off on 32 while he led a whole train around up to the Mall.
That makes more sense about the downwind. When 19 is very busy, straight ins become counterproductive very quickly, because the reality is they're often not straight in. The main reporting point from the north is the Northport stacks, which is miles east of the extended centerline of 19. Straight in aircraft will often head directly to the Walt Whitman Mall, which puts them on an angle to a five mile final. When the pattern is busy, this will eventually conflict with aircraft in the left downwind coming from the east or captree. Sometimes we'll instruct aircraft from Northport to "fly westbound to intercept final" in order to mitigate this issue. More often, though, we'll have aircraft fly to the DPK vor, then Belmont lake to enter the left downwind. This merges them with captree traffic at the midfield, and it's generally more effective at preventing conflicts. It also plays nicer with jet/high performance IFR arrivals, since we can delay a base turn instead of having an overtake on final to deal with. Sometimes at the DPK vor we'll have the aircraft follow the LIE for a left base, but if it's busy you're probably getting the whole pattern and yeah, you might extend. Things get pretty interesting when you have a lot of aircraft in the pattern and departures waiting to go. We try to have cancelling touch and goes or having pilots to full stop taxi backs be a last resort.
With regard to the 32 break off, that sounds like what I thought it was. When we switch runways, we'll usually give departures that already got the the end of the runway the option to depart from there and not taxi to the new runway. Moving the arrivals into the downwind for the new runway allows us to blast those aircraft off quickly, back to back, and get the runway change over. Gotta just rip it off like a band-aid... An extended period with aircraft operating on two runways without the wind for LAHSO isn't fun. The ideal situation is that the last departures from 32 are launched before the first arrival to 19 lands. If your son was in the middle of that, moving him to 19 and turning him over the LIE or closer gets the departures out. If he was doing touch and goes, he would be changing runways on his crosswind turn anyway.
Once I left KFRG, I’m not going back KISP is right next to it and way easier despite class C
I love KISP too!
i train there. my old instructor told me numerous times “if you can learn to fly here you can fly anywhere”
My CFI told me the same thing haha
You said share your story. . . How about being called off final and go back to downwind 3x in a row trying to land on 19. KFRG - they say if you learn here, you can fly anywhere.
OMG! That must’ve been a bad day 😅 FRG is crazy indeed!
I have the same stuffed animal on the dash of my plane that my kids put there in the early 2000s when I was building it. At KFOK and Lufker.
Nice! I used to be based at KHWV just East of FOK. I miss flying in LI!
Hi, great video! It’s nice how u put the plane visuals on the map and makes it so easy to follow. I live in NYC and was wondering if flight training was worth it up here since the weather isn’t always good. Would you recommend doing it up here or would you recommend people to look somewhere south for training ?
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it! I did my entire training in Long Island and found it to be much like any other place. Weather wasn’t an issue at all. There will always be bad weather days when you can’t fly, but those are the exception and not the rule
Nothing strange here. This is fun.
It’s funny indeed!!
Nice video! I fly from EFJY, which is where the Finnish Air Force pilot training takes place. Not uncommon having to do a few 360s in a pattern while a few flights of air force planes take off or land. I've also had four air force planes waiting on three separate taxi ways for me to slowly land and taxi off the runway in a slow ultralight airplane (even slower than a Cessna 150, I believe. It has a max cruising speed of 90 knots!) A bit embarrasing, that...
That's amazing, Patrick! I'd gladly do 10 360s just so I could watch fighter jets landings from that unique perspective haha! And hey, I bet every time a pilot sees a slow 150 landing, they go "well, that was me back in the day...". Or at least I hope they do :)
Nice landing! Like butter!
No "Mice" were injured in the making of that landing. 🤣
Thank you!!
@@rjobrien7805 DOH! Guess I should have proof read my comment first, eh? LOL 😂😁
Bruno, you have game 👍🏻✈️
Thank you, John!
As a pilot myself out of Orlando super busy airport I think you could have avoided the go around by waiting a bit longer before turning base knowing the 150 was flying slower than you and that would have extended the gap between you two!
I agree with you! But at that point I didn’t know it was a 152 yet. I can imagine how busy Orlando must be!
Got sequenced behind a B737 and a B787 today! Hello from Italy
That’s awesome! Ciao from USA 🇺🇸😀
I know that controller! He’s the best!
They’re all great!!
You just needed to tell the 150 to get over to the cold side ; )
Haha true!!
Listen to KGFK on an average wednesday. Home of UND, always crazy up there
Haha I will give it a try!
FRG IS THE CRAZIEST AIRPORT IVE EVER FLOWN INTO!!!!
LIKE A MINI LGA/JFK
#YOURENUMBER9🤣
Hahahaha indeed!
You should come by for a tower tour! 😉
Been there, done that. Highly recommend! 👍🏻
@@0ffcamberxj PM SENT!!!
I had to go around when an alligator was slow to cross the runway... :o)
Hahaha that’s hilarious!!
Florida. You can’t convince me otherwise
That must be painful
A little bit, yeah 😄
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I'm sorry but if that auprot is this bussy that makes it dengerous it needs to be designated class c and limit school give then times when each school can fly. I would have never fly there my God. How is this legal
There have been many discussions about turning it into a Class C, but it’s right under a Bravo and next to an actual Class C so there are limitations I guess
@FlyWithBruno midway airprot south of Chicago is engulfed by class b and its still class c and if you land ga airplane there depending who is working it will cost you arm and a leg or two for landing fees pilot schools don't belong belive the side c vail of class b airspace
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There's no universe in which Farmingdale has "more operations than JFK and LGA combined".
This is actual data from FRG Tower.
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South Jersey so much easier!
Yes! 😂
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What a typical dumpster fire, i sincerely hope there was a reason you went to FRG willingly (and not for "cOnTEnT"). Avoid that airport like the plague
I went to FRG to meet up with a friend who had arranged a special guided tour of the NY TRACON, which is a few miles from there. So no, I didn’t go there for “cOnTeNt”. That said, I have wonderful memories from that airport and I always love coming back.
@@FlyWithBruno sounds like you might be a masochist then haha. I'm glad it was a productive visit at least
Masochist, yes 😂
Yeah, it gets really interesting with all the fight schools and the practice areas. Come by for a tower tour!
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