The Deteriorating Tunnel That Could Break New York City - Cheddar Explains
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2020
- The North River Tunnels connect Manhattan to New Jersey and the West. 820,000 people and 450 trains pass under the Hudson River through these 2.5 miles tunnels every day. But these tunnels were built 120 years ago and they are showing their age. Now, New York has a dangerous tunnel problem on its hands. Cheddar explains how it got this bad and whats being done about it.
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We don’t have to deal with this issue. Our trains and infrastructure are modern and advanced. Our underground metro is beautiful
Good for you.
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All thanks to your hard work, Comrade Kim Jong-Un
Moa is better
“Through Pennsylvania Station one entered the city like a god. Perhaps it was really too much. One scuttles in now like a rat.” - Vince Scully, comparing the old Penn Station with its replacement
The conversion of railway termini into gloomy tunnels below shopping-malls and/or office towers goes on all over, and not just in the U.S..
@OAT351 it certainly could've been preserved had the owners not cared so much about cashing in on the value of 'air rights' above it
@@SniffyPoo The owners are NYS. .. and by extension the people.
@OAT351 I never heard that before
The owners at the time of sale (1963) were the Pennsylvania Railroad, and they sold the air rights to various real estate interests. Then the PRR merged with the New York Central Railroad, but it got botched and the Nixon administration stepped in to nationalize all passenger rail, which is why we have Amtrak, which owns the station now
What happened to Penn Station makes me so mad to this day
Enlighten me.
@@remiem-iw7uk it was demolished
You act like you were alive at the time
@@y-rokenjnr6157 if doesn’t matter if one was alive art preservation is valued and important to most with culture taste and then desire for knowledge as a new york city native the stations and history here is extraordinarily important to me and my peers
@@princess4509 I mean I was talking more about how she phrased what she said as it made it sound like she was around at the time. But okayyy 👌🏿
Some bridges are similarly exposed. I watched a documentary some years ago where the host went to steel suppport beams of various bridges there and using his bare hands literally ripped out rusted chunks the size of a hamburger from the beams.
The documentary wasn't just about NYC however, it revealed that a very large percentage of all bridges in the United States are way past their designed lifespan expiration dates and in bad shape.
Man watt are you going to do, dont you see? People use tunnels and bridges to get across to commute every single day, aint nobody got time to block off an entire bridge and tunnel, so some poor sod can wiggle a wrench and hammer around for 2 months in hopes that the new bridge design plans wasnt built or drawn by a moron who only studied basic architecture.
AINT NOBODY GOT TIME FO DAT SHIT!!! ill tell you what people have time for, people have time for immidiate disaster, when 1 of these bridges or tunnels collapse you will see how literally everybody for miles who is a "professional construction builders" and "architecture designers" will come to the rescue
Tell me about it. My state government, several years ago, had to rebuild or refurbish hundreds of bridges all over the state because they were in such bad shape. They literally blew up one in my city and replaced with a much stronger, better-looking bridge with a pedestrian path and a little lookout area halfway across.
The Golden Gate Bridge and the San Francisco Bay Bridge along with essentially all bay area bridges have continual and perpetual maintenance, every year the entirety of the bridges are sanded and repainted. This has been reality since they were built.
It didn't really become an issue until California Governor Pete Wilson, a Republican, pulled a trick Out of Reagan's bag and used the new Bay Bridge slush fund to balance the budget, claiming bridge tolls could quickly replace it. The problem is that the interest on the billions held in trust for the project funded the maintenance. When the fund was drained, the toll of $1 wasn't enough and it was raised and now sits at $6, with a federal minimum wage of 7.25 an hour, think about that for a second and it's ludicrous.
@@ernestochang1744 We did in the Bay Area....
It’s funny how in the poorest times most of our infrastructure was built when tolls were low, most people were working class and we were able to afford it as a society without killing people’s wallets. Nowadays tolls are astronomical, gas taxes and registration fees for vehicles keep rising and yet states can’t seem to come up with enough funding to replace aging bridges and overpasses. That money HAS to be going SOMEWHERE!
RIP the original Penn Station. What a travesty when it was demolished. We travel to Europe to marvel at the beautiful old buildings while we tear down our architectural marvels.
On the bright side, the demolition of penn station started the movement to save other NYC architectural landmarks like Grand Central Terminal.
Sadly, the wars of the last century have done their fair share of destroying classic European architecture, although much obviously still remains. Even still, a hundred year old building would be considered "as good as new" by European measures ;)
Oh, we're also guilty of architectural vandalism when it comes to rail stations. Birmingham New Street, London Euston, Paris Montparnasse all ruined in the 60s.
Wasserfeld the 60s seem like a curse omg
@@blancavelasquez9859 yeah. I'm pretty interested in the futuristic architectural ideas of pre WWII.
It feels to me like if they had build their wonderful ideas back then we would be more proud of the architecture standing today.
The 50's and 60's ideals for cities and architecture is a travesty.
As I understand it most of the US's infrastructure is way past its "sell by" date and needs MASSIVE investment which I can't see happening any time soon.
I believe the Army Core of Engineers said that the whole of the US would need a $2 TRILLION investment in its infrastructure to get up to an overall B- grade; up from the D grade we're at now.
Easy, just declare yourself as a developing country and you’re qualified to access cheap or free loans from China’s led Belt and Road projects with no strings attached. We promise we won’t debt trap y’all since we’ve already your biggest creditor.
@@lluow Would be funny .China building the highways for the superpower that US is
That’s what happens when taxes are too low.
Please keep cutting the taxes so I can keep financing Walmart by buying low quality goods made somewhere else.
@@1943vermork Or cut the military budget.......oh wait.
I hate my government.
i love how she says all these horrible things ... with a smile !
I don't understand young people today!
Nearly every single one of today's young women sound as though they gargle every morning with a ground glass cocktail, and they deliberately and loudly rasp their voices at the end of every sentence!
Why?
Gone are the days when women sounded like women, when they spoke!
😂
I smile because I'm so happy that I don't live in America.
@@vincentperratore4395 You're biased against women having vocal fry because of their anatomy? Get over yourself.
@@sygneg7348 but meanwhile your country and people want to be just like America 😆🤣.
When I lived in NY, I was shocked at the state of infrastructure...it was very dated and ill-maintained, I kind of liked it though...but, it really needs updating!
Hopefully it doesn’t collapse when I learn to drive lol
Half of London underground system is in similar condition
The whole country needs infrastructure upgrades
mike a Republicans took a majority in the Senate, thats what happened. They killed the project saying it would be expensive and promised if they took the house in 2016 they would find a better way to fund infrastructure. They took the house and they couldn’t agree how to fund it. John Oliver did a whole segment on it, you can watch it on RUclips.
this is basically the US in the nutshell one party tries to push a fix the other takes its away
Thank u, I wish people stop criticizing older cities
@mike a You voted Republican.
it might cost trillions!
Stop giving 2020 ideas smh.
Speaking things into existence
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@Ron Lewenberg shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't remind it
Due to lockdown the trains are empty.
If it did't cost a bazillion $$$ in way over budget costs, I'd say get it done. NYC public works projects are notoriously corrupt. That's a major reason why it doesn't get done. Boston's "Big Dig" $$$ would be small beans by comparison.
Very interesting.. We just take all this infrastructure for granted and never give much thought to what life in the big city would be without it..
I commuted from NJ into NYC by train from 2008-2018, and it was just awful. Trains constantly late, overcrowded, huge 60-90 minute delays in both AM & PM once or twice every week. Forget about getting to work on time, or making after work plans that we’re in NJ because I could never know if there’d be a huge delay. Plus Penn Station is a disgusting claustrophobic maze that smells like stale urine and filled with rats, mice, and the biggest cockroaches I’ve ever seen. I only had a 10 mile commute but every day it felt like a wagon in the Donner Party.
That sounds like that's your problem maybe you should accommodate for things that can happen especially if it's a consistent thing that happens obviously you know it could have happened multiple times but yet you failed to prepare yourself for that that sounds like it's your problem it's a huge City one of the biggest cities in the world and busiest what else do you expect nothing in this world runs smoothly except your butter knife cutting through soft butter or your poop knife.
B1M in 1900: New York is building one of the most ambitious tunnels in history... although it will likely need to be replaced within
2020: Yeah right
this is so true its sad
Cool channel!
bc if 2020 goes the other way...blm will get more money for more ''city games''
than nyc... wake wake... trump has rebuilt lots of nyc...and will
@@garyc3233 Hey Russia. I think this bot is broken!
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US: it’ll be fine for a bit longer
2020: ****ing watch me
2020: Hold my Beer and PCP
yea..a lot lot longer as like 'already has been yrs and yrs'' if u dont re-elect trump.. guarantee it will get done under trump way way faster...
**** PLZ ''WAKE'' DONT BE FOOLED...OR LIED TOO AGAIN...
2020: hold my corona beer
lmao
@@garyc3233 When the video makes clear that Trump is the roadblock, how do you figure?
Love how she calls the bridge “the new Tappan Zee Bridge” 🤘🏼
A real one
Lets hope its renamed that
> 12:29 < Tappan Zee Bridge, New York Thruway (I-87)
Nobody was going to call it the Cuomo until everyone who called it the Tap died. The old Tappan Zee was officially named the Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge, they wanted to honor the former governor but not change the name, which has actual meaning to the region. Cuomo could've just done that and named it the Governor Mario Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge and nobody would've cared. I still think he just wanted to "honor" his dad but really see it be known as "The Cuomo" honoring him by proxy. Never liked him.
4:24 “so that when workers pushed shit through the soft river mud”
This fits with the 2020 narrative. Can you imagine how wild the New Years Eve's parties will be this year. PARRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTY
Let's finish 2020 now, let's declare today as 31 December
@@Kannot2023 Oh man I wish
but the whole decade may be bad
If enough people tell the same lie, that lie becomes truth, today is December 31
The USA will have bad corona hangover this new year's
The mindset in the 1960's was to tear down the old and replace it gleaming modern glass and steel structure. Grand Central almost met a similar fate.
Why does this remind me of the contemporary mindset...
Glass buildings are unfathomably ugly compared to older constructions styles. It’s a shame they are so widely accepted as “beautiful and modern” and will soon be the only thing we see in big cities
Dreadful mindset that ruined places
So sad
All the fault of the Boomers.
Essential tunnels so old there were still Civil War generals running around
Well hobbling around with a walking stick maybe. 1866 - 1900.
Whenever I see these eyewatering numbers for new transport projects, it reminds me of how much America is in decline.
Like right? We used to spend this kind of money no problem all over the place. #publicworks I'm ready for a Green New Deal. 💚
The fact that people applaud a (ex-) president who throws tantrums and holds grudges about important projects such as this makes it all the more depressing. The propaganda machine works, and they don't care as long as their politician Sticks It To The Libs.
@@pluspiping The Dems refused to fund the wall to stick it to the Republicans. Both sides are crazy.
@@judahdaneshtaol ah, yes, the "both sides" are crazy fallacy.
Compare the Republicans who refuse to build infrastructure that will be vital to our continued success as a country...
...and Democrats who [checks notes] refused to fund an impossibly large wall, in the middle of nowhere, that would destroy fragile ecosystems, and waste money, mostly due to walls doing little if anything stop anyone from entering the country, since most illegal immigrants simply overstay visas.
But hey, those illegal immigrants are vital scapegoats to the Republican party! How dare the Democrats not buy into it!
lol try again
@@pluspiping Wow are you brainwashed by the woke propaganda. Have you seen what's going on at the southern border now? Complete chaos. Hundreds of thousands have entered illegally and it's continuing as we speak.
8:44 that's footage of Port Authority Bus Terminal NOT Penn Station in 2018 during a tiny snow storm the city didnt prepare for which FYI I was there and it took me almost 4 hours to get home instead of my usual one hour.
I noticed that too, at 10:05 also. I've been through there many times and was wondering why they were showing a bus station when talking about a train station.
I find Cheddar to have below average research into the videos they produce compared to similar channels in this category. There's at least one factual or video clip error in many of their videos.
That and they show places not related to Penn like the PA and in the video Union Station in DC. I went Why are they showing this. Then I realized the people who are their audience wouldn't know the difference.
And the newsreader's vocal fry wasn't annoying enough that you made it that far into the video LOL?
If the trains are down don’t you use the busses?
The pandemic (when trains are already operating on a reduced schedule) would have been a perfect time to close and do repairs on one of the two tunnels.
I don’t think NYC has to worry about an over crowding and stress on the tunnels any time soon
Huh?
@@TheRailLeaguer I think it's a reference to the pandemic, and how people are spending most of their time at home and limiting their use of public transportation.
@@orchdork775 Okay, but the tunnels are still needed. New ones must be built otherwise we cripple the entire corridor from Boston to DC, and the GDP will go down due to lack of tunnel access between NY and NJ.
@@TheRailLeaguer Anyone for swimming or canoing?
@@henryhorner3182 Was that a joke?
My firm is a major lead on this project! It's been a long process to get it from conception to fruition (as is the problem with many rehabilitation projects), but we're happy to see a green-light!
@@sharonmorine5407 I completely understand where you're coming from. This tunnel project is only for rail (Amtrak and New Jersey Transit), and isn't owned by MTA Bridges and Tunnels, which have the Lincoln, Holland, etc. (road tunnels). I work in the private sector, so I can't speak about the specifics about how public agencies manage their toll funds. We can't take money from other entities, even though in some cases we'd love to when a specific need arises.
8:55 I am dumbfounded by the age reported in this video, 120 years old. The North River Tunnels began construction in 1904 and entered service in 1910, so it makes it 110 years old in 2020.
Also to offer a proper comparison, the first underwater tunnel built with shield tunneling technique is the Thames Tunnel in London, UK which was opened to pedestrian in 1843 (177 years ago). It was converted into a railway-exclusive tunnel in 1869 and is still in use today (East London line).
Either way there old as shit
New math by 16 year-olds!
Kenneth Boyer 8:55
They mention New York City, New York State, and the Fed but there was never any mention of New Jersey or the money that was there for the Gateway Project/ Access to the regions core (ARC Project) before 2010, which Former NJ Governor Christie cancelled and gave all the money for the project to the highways instead. There’s so much more to this story but I guess there was a deadline.
Rich people use helicopters, not subways, so Republicans don't like these projects.
@@astroboyhasguns Well, all the rich people have left or are leaving. And I've heard that the top 1% wealthiest people paid 50% of NYC's taxes. Between the high taxes and skyrocketing crime, there's no reason for the wealthy to stay in the city any more, and now the mayor has instituted armed border checkpoints to quarantine visitors for Covid check, so now the place can't even get tourist dollars. One RUclipsr even thinks NYC has entered a "death spiral" because of all this.
By the time the tunnel collapses, there may not be a New York City to service anymore.
Agreed: FAIL!
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 Oh wow, not some RUclipsr! They are the ultimate source for all information
This channel always does this. They name things incorrectly, and leave out information...
Yes, I do clearly remember driving on the newly built Tappan Zee bridge, with my parents 1953 Dodge.The Tappan Zee bridge is precisely named for what the Dutch called, what we now call the Hudson River.
10:13 when she talks about the halting of trains and shows clips of backup of riders. She's actually showing the Port authority bus terminal. which is a car traffic issue...not saying penn station doesn't get backed up horribly, but had to mention
Typical for the NY/NJ area. We pay some of the highest tolls, fares and property taxes in the nation. God forbid the politicians and money men forget to steal. They never want to reinvest in the areas infrastructure. If they applied those taxes and fares back into aging infrastructure we’d have the most high tech and reliable transit system in the country!
Privatisation will lead to infrastructure development
@@___-yy8ud and theft., and gouging.
If you hate taxes, don’t vote for democrats.
@@NoName-ms8jb idiot that wasn't the point , he's saying despite the amount we get taxed our idiot politicians send it all to those giving poor states who don't tax
@@NoName-ms8jb look up the poorest states or the term welfare state
Only when it breaks, will thet understand how much the tunnel meant
You've never had to stand in those crowds or be late for work, for hours, once a month... I hope they don't wait for that.
They break regularly.
Life will go on. People will get jobs on their side of the river and live perfectly happily.
@@mirzaahmed6589 that's very optimistic, the initial fallout would be pretty chaotic
Many thanks ! Theses videos are really useful !!
Extraordinary piece - thank you👍👍💜🙏
7:00 That's actually video footage of Union Station in Washington, DC.
Quite clear she isn't from the city.
Be honest, is either one any different TBT?
And most of those bridge videos were not the Portal Bridge
And some people in the UK complain about Crossrail / Elizabeth Line being delayed & over budget, at least its being completed!
George Pearson sure, but remember parts are over 150 years old. Other than that, rip them to shreds!
@@bobsemple7660 lol at least you have a mostly countrywide rail network
What about the £100bn HS2 project and it's infinite rising costs and delays.
Broderick Sutherland that is a good example
@Zakaria Ali true true it is still much better than America's public transport!
Thanks for another awesome video @Cheddar this one truly deserves an update video! 🙌🏼✌🏼❤
It is refreshing to see the younger generations becoming involved with their countries future.
Cause they are Republican
@@wac55 - Not everything has to be politically motivated or even associated with.
DiBlasio has already broken NYC.
Sorry, tunnel - too late.
... 😕💜🙏Actually, 6 0 g h z = all c v symptoms - look up hypoxia etc with it - we've been misled & all life on this planet is in jeopardy - greed & desire for control & a.i. & satellites 5 g have destroyed NY
You beat me to it.
Gov. Cuomo didn't care about this... It was more important to replace the signs on the bridge which reflected his father's name since the forgot the M in Mario M. Cuomo bridge. www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-has-to-replace-new-bridge-signs-because-mario-cuomo-name/1502834/ This is why he wasn't ready for the pandemic and was considering closing hospitals in the weeks before it happened. Oh and they are trying to place the blame on Trump... HAHAHAHA... NEW YORKERS KNOW THE BLAME IS PLACED ON GOV. CUOMO... WE ALL KNOW HE WASTED A TON OF MONEY.... Just like Gov. Gavin Newsom and his " high bullet train system in California"...www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-high-speed-rail-newsom-trump-20190522-story.htm. THIS SHOW MUST THINK WE ARE STUPID...
stanley thompson that figures fume fuck
I was thinking the same thing.
Don't worry.. between COVID and the massive power outages from Isaias, $16B is a drop in the bucket at this point. We'll be fine.
I mean, the people in the trains won't, I guess.
...and we have a long hurricane season to go...you aint seen nothin' yet.
yes and why arnt the ppl and blm and antifa in the streets along with the dem's
shouting ''where is Cuomo'' and ''where is ''Blasio'' and tearing things down
further... bc now we already owe tons more money to fix those ahead of the tunnel system... funny comment.. and Chrisite not in NJ side anymore...so
whats hold up?? and that wasnt all Christie either..some around him
same as Cuomo and Blasio blah blah... of course u blame the other side??
and where was the obama promise for 8 yrs..he could have ordered...
It's amazing that the two parts of the tunnel came together at the right place.
Using more primitive engineering, at that. A marvel, for sure!
@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 The Brooklyn Bridge was an amazing feat, too, There's an American Experience program on it. The Roeblings were great engineers.
@@robertfeinberg748 • I’ll have to look them up. That bridge really is a beautiful thing, and surely a testament to engineering as well!
Later edit: The Roeblings certainly left their imprints on engineering marvels. Thanks again for the tip!
“From New Jersey.. and the west”
West of jersey? Where does this lady think commuters are taking the train from, PA? Ohio? Chicago??
PA, yes. The other places probably not
Cheddar: You don't have to worry about the tunnels collapsing
2020: Write that down Write that down
Its survives 120 yrs in can takes another more a daily preventive maintenance and structural report can avert any catastrophic failure.
hope that NEVER happens!
You should worry much more about our COUNTRY collapsing under biden if he gets in! As misguided and brain dead as he is......
Greg Akinson oh I’m sorry, I thought you said Biden, my mistake, I guess a few of those letters are kinda close to trump. Well, easy thing to get wrong, a little advise though, make sure you proof read things before you post them, you might just get a few letters wrong, or facts.
@@radioactivepanda2082 I'm not an American, but a believer of America's democratic ideals but I've sensed that the successive dominance of the democrats pin point some chinese incursions inside Americans way of high caliber decision affecting foreign affairs policies like the unchecked chinese aggression of an international waterways like the scs/ wps , only president Trump arrival to the oval office changes everything only in his administration that the chinese were found infiltrating Americans ways of life conducting anti American propagandas right at very own soil of the bastion of democracy , if Pres. Trump not elected OMG the chinese will own most of the americas .
2020 reminds me of that gif of Judge Judy pointing at the invisible watch on her wrist.
"cutting-edge tunneling tech" - I see what you did there...
The elder Roebling was a combat engineer in the Civil War. The story was a gripping one and the builders, including the Roeblings, had to deal with the bends.
I wouldn't be surprised if something bad like this happened this year honestly
Shhhhhh! The gods may be listening.
Well, Beirut exploded.
Now we'll wait for the gorges dam to collapse before the New York tunnel falls apart.
If we’re lucky Mara Lago will go under water
@@arnowisp6244 That tunnel was probably overbuilt given the lack of computers and limited engineering knowledge at the turn of the 20th. Century. I would not be surprised to see it still in operation 20 years from now. By contrast the recently replaced Tapen Zee Bridge used post WWII scrap metal of sorts and was falling apart in fewer than 65 years. Maybe the real issue is quality versus quantity, so many roads, bridges, tunnels pipes, etc. were built, so now have so many things to maintain; maybe America grew too quickly to understand the complexities and costs involved with such a large country and with a relatively large population.
I wonder if people recognize you so much is because of your avatar and name??
Germany: we need to finish the High Speed Rail link between Berlin and Munich, 300km including 30 Brdiges and 22 Tunnel. How much?
A: 10b Euro. opening end of 2017
USA: we need to fix our morst importand raillink and build a new tunnel (2,8 mile) and a new Bridge. How much?
A: around 13b USD, 18b in the end. opening 203x (maybe)
You forgot to mention that the Berlin to Munich rail started planning in 1991, construction in 1996, and then opened 21 years later, in 2017. These projects take a long time, especially considering Manhattan's bedrock is very hard to bore through.
@@neshura I think the tunnel boring machines used in NYC are German 😂
@@Joe.0oo Stockholm metro, mainly built by hand and explosives through granite. Only selected few parts where build by tbms. Hire Swedes to build the tunnels.
The modern expansions will be built by tbms.
Tunnels are FAR more expensive per mile than overground railways.
@@jascrandom9855 thats true but still, the US pays up to 4x more for large infractructure (Bridges, Rail, Tunnel) than any developed country. You get ripped off big times!
heck, Switzerland build the 56km long Gotthard Basistunnel for 12b CHF around 10b USD.
Thanks for an accurate and frank look into the realities of New York City and its historical attempts into trying to please everyone while trying to maintain cash flow in the face of common concern and political complications. These tunnels are indispensable to the city and state as well as the country as a whole.
Excellent video. I enjoyed it a lot. Thanks
The tunnels were never used for freight. Freight was still ferried across the Hudson.
NO. railbarges with tracks on them carried cars to Manhattan and Brooklyn and the NY Central had a freight line directly into Manhattan, it is now a 'linear park' above certain streets downtown. The harbor teemed with barges and tugs. There is one carrier still in operation, the NY Cross Harbor RR.
At 7:00, that is Union Station in Washington DC.
jajajajaja
I knew I wasn’t crazy for thinking that!
Hmmm, trapped in an underwater tunnel that’s slowly filling with water. Maybe we could make a movie of it!!
Can it please star someone that has trouble speaking as it's lead?
This would be . . . a classic option, to the ethic 9/11 !
I love how half the shots of big crowds are at the port authority which is a bus station.
The Hudson tunnel NEEDS TO BE FIXED. And we need more tunnels!
Nononono, let the us economy collapse.
It wont happen.
You can't fix it before the new ones are done
Well there's a lot of catacombs under New York city so. They will have
Fix it ? Come on you know better that trade wars with China ,Canada and others nations are more important ! Everyone treats US so unfairly....
im being sarcastic.
Today, river tunnels can be prefabricated and towed to where they can be sunk into the riverbed, like the 63rd Street tunnel in NYC's subway system.
Thank you for the very interesting story of the North River Tunnels.
Excellent explanation. Didn’t know about Penn station being modelled on Caracalla. Amazing!
In London most of the underground tunnels are way older, but they are maintained without anyone arguing about it. There cannot be conflicts about these minimal measures and it requires the presence of the state, through Transport for London, not private contractors to make the key decisions.
The Gateway project was supposed to begin in the early 2010s until former NJ governor Chris Christie reneged on paying its share of the project which halted the project in its tracks. The project is supposed to be a joint venture between the NY and NJ with the NY/NJ Port Authority managing the project. While this video does a good job talking about the current problems facing the Gateway Project since Trump became president it fails to discuss the broader issues that politics has played (mostly one sided at that) in preventing this much needed project from moving forward.
u got to make these things fit with the narrative ya know.
Thanks for bringing that up Gateway project with Governor Christie..I forgot that was a supposed to be a joint venture with the 2 governors.. but ended up becoming a brawl instead of a project that they can both honor.. So nothing got done out of spite..
@Zeksteve Chris Christie is 20 times worse. You have no clue.
@@georgeplagianos6487 Just thinking the same thing. Christie pulled out of that deal. I think he has like for delays crossing the Hudson, whether a bridge or a tunnel,
According to "reliable" news outlets Christie pulled out because NJ would have to foot any cost overruns. And we all know that WILL happen
Nyc in general is falling apart 😪 😢 😫
I wouldn’t say it’s falling apart, but the public infrastructure, like in most of the country, is in increasingly poor condition.
T. Jones Oh I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment 100%. Infrastructure here is a shit show, and I’ve friends and family that have either lived in or visited much poorer countries with better infrastructure than us in one way or another. I just disagree with the assessment that NYC (and our cities across the US in general) are outright falling apart. The infrastructure _is_ in many places, but to say the city is falling apart in general is too broad of a brush stroke (for now). There are many ways it’s improving as well, and even in the current state is better compared to the late 20th century by a long shot.
NYC is not falling apart its getting better and better.
@@johnottr and pigs will fly. Your statement flies in the face of reality. White collar workers are not coming into the office, and they show no signs of coming back into the office. Rich residents are fleeing the city in vast numbers, thus doing substantial damage to the tax base. Since that's the case where exactly is the money going to come from for fixing all of the infrastucture in the city?
Cuomo the granny-killer and de Blasio the incompetent (and anti-Semite to boot) have really done a number on NYC. They've trashed almost all of the important institutions of the city and hollowed out its tax base. It is now in a way worse position than it was in the 1970s. Back then working from home for office workers wasn't a thing. It is now, and vast legions of people are choosing to do so instead of coming into Manhattan or central Brooklyn. Companies have now figured out that it is possible for huge numbers of individuals to work from home and thus all those nice, fancy, expensive Manhattan offices are not actually needed. Cue more lost tax base.
NYC is up the creek without a paddle. It voted for its government and now it is getting that government good and hard. Karma's a bitch.
Some of New York's subway lines still rely on switch technology from the 1940s.
I went to Penn Station and the Long Island Railroad every work day for 2 years and never appreciated it's history or beauty till now. Thank you for sharing. When myself and my best friend riding from the City to Lindenhurst I saw some of the same people everyday. Especially on Fridays we would fix our hair into a French Twist on the way home. One night we got a raucous round of applause when we were done. That was shockingly hysterical, from this 16 year old.
Just finished reading Jill Jones book last month, its a good read!
New York needs to get working on their infrastructure.
NJ and Amtrak too, the tunnel isn't only in one state and used by only one transportation agency.
Did you say another condo that nobody can afford?? RIGHT ON IT!!
With people moving out of NYC and working from home now is the perfect time to rehab one and then another tunnels. The train schedules can be cut back as ridership is down.
Without one of the tunnels, even the reduced schedules will become a disaster. It's better to wait for the two tunnels to be built before one of the tunnels can be closed.
0:10 where can I find that open spot showing the rail lines in midtown, can’t seem to find it 🤔
I think they covered it up with new development on the West Side.
The location of the once open area is 31st-33rd Streets between 9th and 10th Avenues, just west of the Farley Post Office.
Great presentation Ali. I love this channel. Always good. Thank you.
20% of the entire gdp through one tunnel. What the hell is the source behind that fact
It is utter bullshit, pure gas lighting...
That stat is generated from the GDP contribution that the entire Northeast corridor provides. Those tunnels are crucial to the NE corridor. If they fail, the corridor goes kaput.
@@LadyJay114 If the port authority didn't fight tooth and nail to keep it that way they'd lose power and budget.
It might be 20% of the NYC economy but it can’t be 20% of the nation’s economy. There are simply too many alternate routes for goods to travel.
Sea levels were not a foot lower 100 years ago. Sandy was not classified as a hurricane when it hit NYC and NJ.
That’s right it was a hurricane that turned into a north easter. It was a cold weather storm and originally they called it Frankenstorm on the weather channel. But than a few days later they started calling it a hurricane so the insurance companies would not have to pay as much money
Plans are currently being discussed to help fix this, so I came back to this video. Better late than never! hopefully all works out!
11:55 he wanted to build a wall lmao
Funny how they tore down the station in the sixties, when now it is the busiest. Such short-sightedness.
Such greed.
20% of GDP but no one can come up with a few billion dollars. Embarrassing.
nyc is not 20% of us gdp.
the metro area is
How Odd you have Billionaires who could fund it and not even miss it...
The 20% figure is overblown. And most of the NYC metro's GDP doesn't come from NJ commuters.
@Zeksteve I think they made a 50/50 deal during the Obama years and Chris Christie backed out of it
Could the PATH system fill the void?
Great delivery, good Job keep it up.
There was a bit about tunnels in new your in a random podcast about cargo trains in cities, that had sone interesting points in regards to bridges as well, not sure what the name was though (as it was mainly about trains )
Trains > Cars. One the biggest mistakes was to give automobiles such power over the consumers.
I agree. Cars are incredibly inefficient for large and dense cities
Okay, let's see:
Being able to go wherever you want, whenever you want, door to door.
*VS*
Having to pay to travel on a limited route at limited times, then most likely having to switch to another more of (limited route and times) transportation, and then walking to your destination.
In the 1950's, with more disposable income, more options for travel, and with a generation that had seen the world - albeit under horrific conditions - do you really think they would turn down this new mode of transportation?
I'm sorry, but the train just could not compete. And then, as mentioned, the airplane companies improved business, offering a chance to get to far-flung destinations in just a few hours instead of many hours or even days.
@@davegreenlaw5654 it's more flexible from door to door, as long as you have enough space. In huge cities today you don't have that space, and you will be even faster with a bicycle when the car gets stuck in a traffic jam.
Of course I also have a car (I don't live in a city), but without public transport systems in NYC and other big cities around the world the traffic would simply collapse.
@@davegreenlaw5654 if we used trains from the beginning, there would be less parking lots, thus less space wasted and there would be shops for everything within walking distance, and most of them will be small family owned businesses as large companies can't maintain small shops and since most of them will be small businesses, small and local farms will be their suppliers and there would be much less processed food and much more fresh meat and vegetables for a lower price than now. Roads are much more expensive to build and maintain per passenger than rails. Biggest benefit, no traffic jams. And an underlying benefit which many people don't care about is reduction of pollution in cities.
It is transcontinental railroad that connected America.
But we sure cannot change now since all the cities all already designed assuming everyone owns a car and commercial and residential spaces are designed in a way to be only accessible by car
@@davegreenlaw5654 Sometimes the quickest solution is not the best solution. It would be, of course, hard to tell people to have patience. Giving trains time and the possibility to develop would have changed alot of problems that we see today. As you mentioned "limited routes, limited times" are actually problems of a broken mass transit system. This is the result of neglecting its development and not the reason why people don't want to use it.
"And then walking to your destination". In many countries where there are fairly effecient mass transit system, there are also better roads for other means of transportation other than cars. People who take the train can therefor also use bikes or they can sometimes walk a short distance since the train system is extensive.
"Do you really think they would turn down this new mode of transportation?" Well, can we expect people not to choose the easy way out? Of course not! And that's part of the problem. In my opinion, other types of transportation got too much room for expansion. Maybe this shouldn't have been up to a supply and demand market?
The problem what I see is that we see automobiles, trains, airplanes and boats as seperate, when they are in fact part of transport as a whole. Expansion of transport shouldn't, in my opinion, be about expanding whatever transport that is attractive in the moment. it should be viewed with reason and logic. Also, again in my opinion, transport companies should have the responsability to fund the progress of reasonable, energy effecient, mass transit. That means, for example, an airplane company could give amounts of funds that goes to stearing the transport development. This gives a sustainable balanced system. It is important to remind us what the goal is here. Easy access, sustainable/energy effecient, high population transport.
Did I miss something, or was there no mention of Christy's involvement in earlier plans to construct additional tunnels from NJ to NY?
Correct me if I'm wrong: Christie vetoed the tunnel because of CERTAIN cost over runs. The supposied cost then was ~$11,000,000,000. NJ would be on the hook for ALL cost over runs. Remember Boston's Big Dig? "Oh yeah, we can do that for $3,500,000,000." Final cost was what?... $12,000,000,000. Christie was right to back out.
Yes she left that out. If stupid Chris Christie didn’t veto the original tunnel project the new tunnels would’ve been built by now. Nothing like stupid short sightedness by moron leaders like Christie and Trump.
@@roadtoad7704 Christie backed out, at the last minute, because of a deal NY would not agree to about tax or some bull, not cost of the project itself. But Christie was always a stand up guy.. ::eye roll::
The tunnel you describe, known as Access to the Region's Core, would have only served NJ Transit commuter trains, with a new terminal underneath 34th Street adjoining Penn Station. It would've opened last year, but wouldn't have provided any help to Amtrak or sufficient space for all of NJT's trains. Christie's cost overrun excuse has been proven an outright lie, as his own agencies predicted no such problem. The only reason he cancelled it was to steal the $3 billion state/Port Authority contribution to avoid a desperately needed gas tax increase, which he was forced into 2 years later. In forfeiting $18 billion in property value increase and critically needed access to higher paying City jobs, his decision was the most damaging in state history. nyc.streetsblog.org/2012/04/10/independent-federal-report-confirms-christie-lied-to-kill-arc-tunnel/
David Koenig your half right here. If the ARC tunnels were built it would have freed up the Old Penn tunnels for near exclusive Amtrak use and proper maintenance.
The 2nd water main tunnel under the hudson river up in Newburgh has a Major Leak and hundreds of thousands of gallons of water a day are spilling out. The Tunnel is ready to collapse. They are building an emergency tunnel next to it as we speak. The major problem is two valves on both sides of the river. These valves haven't been used in over a hundred years and they have no idea if they are functionable. These two valves are required to divert water into the new tunnel. If the valves don't work before the tunnel caves in New York City is dead without water.
Very informative. Thank you.
This gives me a new respect for the Sand Hogs. I hear they're going to finish up the Water Supply Tunnel #3 this year and no doubt they'll roll those guys right into the Gateway Project to get it completed. No city's infrastructure lasts forever, so I'm glad we can count on our subterranean workers to make it right for the rest of us.
Lets hope Biden ends the impasse and the federal money needed to make this project happen can finally be approved (Biden certainly wont be telling a bunch of democratic politicians in that neck of the woods that they can't have their new tunnel unless they support a border wall on the other side of the country to keep Mexicans out that's for sure)
The rebar in those tunnels has got to be in very, very bad shape. Once they start to oxidize (rust) it becomes almost impossible to stop; even areas that seems ok can have oxidation starting. And with age (and the constant vibrations of the trains going through -- though if a roadbed is well-maintained, it should be minor, so issue is tiny force applied almost constantly), the concrete itself can develop micro fractures. Sandy was devastating. I remember reading accounts from from folks in NYC at the time.
20% of the US GDP relies on this single 120-year-old deteriorating tunnel
USA: Do nothing
The 20% number is bullshit.
@professionnel name I hate the military-industrial complex as well, but a large chunk of that $700 B goes to civilian worker salaries involved in defense production, and funding research and development at high tech labs.
@@mirzaahmed6589 That number is more like the GDP of the entire NEC megalopolitan area that the tunnel (and Amtrak's NEC) serves. And if the tunnels are gone the most important part of this transportation network breaks. But that doesn't mean the entire 20% of the GDP is gone. It will still be a huge and painful impact though.
@@mirzaahmed6589 Well I think that in some cases is exactly the problem. Bureaucracies and corruption. For the civilian workers, how many of them are REALLY needed? And for the R&D, there are studies showing that the DoD is basically 'scammed' as many experts believe that the suppliers have been overcharging them. Some even estimated that if this is solved the military spending can be reduced by 20~25% alone.
@@mirzaahmed6589 Please document the flaws in this study rpa.org/work/reports/a-preventable-crisis
Woah! Never knew that tunnel's went under the Hudson River.
You must NOT be from the tri - state NJ/NY/CT
When one track goes down (as it does now on many weekends for emergency repairs from Hurricane Sandy damage back in 2012 when the north track was flooded with SALT water) the number of trains per hour drops from 24 to 6. Guess what? Massive backups occur even on weekends. This is a need at this point for the 2nd tunnel Gateway project before it is too late.
"according to politico" slapping my forehead
“...and then Hurricane Sandy hit...” OK IT’S TIME FOR TWO UNSKIPPABLE ADS!!! 🤦♂️
On my phone I usually skip to the very end of a video as soon as it starts then press replay to watch a video without ad interruptions.
And my midroll was a Trump ad...
Remember the good ol days when there were virtually no ads on YT. I really hate it now.
Just use brave
I remember that bridge from when I commuted from Newark to TWC.
They also said you don't have to worry about the Twin Towers collapsing too. The Titanic was also unsinkable, wasn't it?
Correction: The North RIver Tunnels and NY Pennsylvania Station opened 1910 which makes both 110 years old in 2020. In 2030, both will be 120 years old.
Another one of those bloody voices that make everything sound like a question...
My thoughts as well. It makes me nauseous.
@@stephenpowstinger733 You don't use "bloody" in the US? What does that have to do with it?
It's called, "high rising terminal," or HRT.
"In the United States, the phenomenon of HRT may be fairly recent but is an increasingly common characteristic of speech especially among younger speakers. However, serious scientific and linguistic inquiry on this topic has a much more extensive history in linguistic journals from Australia, New Zealand, and Britain where HRT seems to have been noted as early as World War II."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_rising_terminal
I think she's a doll. I believe that question like feel is called 'Upspeak'. I first heard about it in the 90's. Early hipsters were doing it. I believe it's supposed to sound more happy, pleasant. I didn't notice her doing it.
This was a good video. I'm a hard core New Yorker. I remember Madison Square Garden being built. I saw Bob Marley there. He was great! Sly and the Family Stone, the Rangers hockey team.
I must have seen the old Penn Station in my youth. I don't remember it though. The new Penn Station is boring, but it's functional and easy to navigate. A nasty Wall Street guy tried to stab me with a knife there.
Awesome video. You are great at this.
Nice work, interesting content.
My problem with this video, and ones like it, is they lead to the inference that trains were not financially viable and therefore failed in the US in the 1940s through 1970s.
This distinctly ignores the fact that the train systems were very heavily taxed and the taxes were used to subsidize and grow fledgling airports and airlines as well as the highway system.
These transit modes were not competing in a free market. One mode was sacrificed to build the other.
Remember the role that GM had in lobbying the government on legislation that harmed railroads, along with engaging in economic practices that were clearly an attempt to monopolize transit in many US cities, in violation of the antitrust laws. But when the case was brought before a civil jury, the jury only allowed $1 in damages to those who brought the antitrust lawsuit. So don't just blame the government (although I agree the government had the lion's share of blame in the many causes of the decline of the railroads).
@@larryscalf2513 National Cities Lines, the corporation set up by GM, Mack Trucks, Firestone Tires and a few oil companies only acquired 10% of the streetcar systems that were converted to buses. Their responsibility is minuscule, and they took advantage of a situation set up by government. To gain monopoly franchises operators had to pave and maintain the entire street they ran on. Further fares were held at a nickel despite rampant post World War 1 inflation. www.vox.com/2015/5/7/8562007/streetcar-history-demise Another huge blow came with enactment of the Public Utility Holding Act of 1935, which forced companies that provided electricity to divest streetcar services. In many cases power was provided at little or no cost, and profits from that sector covered transit losses. Most major cities required replacement of rail with buses. That same year, New York's Mayor La Guardia declared "trolleys as dead as sailing ships", forcing conversion citywide with disastrous consequences. The feds built freeways and granted mortgages that created white suburbia, and provided low cost infrastructure for the trucking industry to serve industry's exodus from cities and rail freight. This was most toxic in the Northeast, where many lines also lost highly profitable coal business as it's use plummeted after World War 2. Railroad property taxes here in New Jersey were highest anywhere, further propelling abandonment.
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This video feels like a high school project actually no a middle school project
Seriously especially since the chick looks like she's 14
So many incorrect details and misleading stock videos. This is like C+ high school work.
Cheddar operates on a lower budget than outlets like Vox but it's still decent coverage. Yeah, some of the stock videos were wrong (only the first mention of the Portal Bridge was correct, the wrong bridge was shown after that). But other than some very recent developments, the fact that the portal bridge is being replaced not renovated, and a slight misunderstanding of the age of the current GCT, the facts were correct.
Her audio is pretty rough, and would be surprisingly inexpensive to improve. Start with better mic placement, and a few blankets to dampen echoes.
Couldn't help but notice the Trump negativity, thinly veiled, but the exuberant Cuomo love words.
This is unsettling given the amount of times I go from south Jersey so nyc. I truly hope the find a good solution to this. I love Penn Station. It’s basically my childhood. You move so fast (usually) you don’t pay attention to what it looks like. But to lifelong visitors, it’s looks are charming. However, it does need expansion desperately. It always has because as soon as they finish renovating they’ve outgrown the new size. It has an iconic look however quirky it may be. Not to mention the folks who commute daily from South Jersey and beyond on NJ Transit.
When it comes to my first home region, I think it’s a very good project.
20 percent of us gdp relies on this tunnel. Christ, how wrong is that statement? Wrong enough for me to stop watching instantly
Imagine the millions of economic transaction that would not be done without the tunnel, ppl are acting like this won't affect their state, but it will, cuz the the economy isn't independent it work in an interconnected way.
I backtracked and the statistic came from Chuck Schumer via #neverttump Bloomberg. The premise is that if people can’t ride the Acela nonstop from DC to Boston, 38 million people in the NE would be unemployed.
This “journalism” is what STEM hath wrought. Math is hard.
@@raylivaldez5564 yea, absolutely massive. Not 20 percent of the US economy nor is it a quadrillion dollers, both are as ridiculous as each other.
@@felixmoran1 it will be a hard hit
@@raylivaldez5564 yes, absolutely massive, as stated in my last comment
"20% of U.S. GDP relies on this one tunnel."
You'll need to show your work.
The Hudson River tunnels carry freight from along the entire east coast to and from the New Jersey and New York ports. This is in addition to the passengers from north of New Jersey to the south.
@@allangibson8494 Why would east coast freight (excluding NYC) in or out of New Jersey ports rely on that tunnel? The entire state GDP of New York was only 8.1% of U.S. GDP in 2019.
frzstat And what is north of New York?
Like Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire etc. The New York ports also handle imports and exports for the southern US States as well. Canada comes into the picture as well.
Allan Gibson those tunnels don’t transport freight. The only freight they’ve ever transported was mail. But the tunnels do connect the North East together and are VERY important to New York’s Success.
@@banksrail and I wasn't questioning the importance of the tunnels, just the 20% of U.S. GDP they mention in the video.
after WW2 we temporarily used planes and are now back to trains lol.
Great upload hello from Australia
0:30 Electronics don't "melt down" That really should have been left out of the script.
The audio is also quite different when Ali uses a microphone, instead of her webcam.
when 12KV electric at high amperage meets the short sparks fly and everything gets hot quickly.Mayb not melts but a clusterF anyway.
I don’t know why, but hearing “an a-hundred-and-forty-eight” really bugged me...
Every number should be said in full. 194 is One hundred and Ninety Four. Not an hundred and ninety four. It's poor English.
I came here to post the same thing. As a "journalist" or "reporter" or whatever her position is called, she sounds like a rube saying "an a-hundred".
I hope something has been done since this video was made. It would be nice to see a video about any progress that has been made.
7:10 that clip is of DC’s Union Station, not NY.