I was fortunate to know 2 of my Great grandparents as they died when I was 10. But that doesn't give me an advantage in family history research, except I know what they looked like and a bit of their personalities. Our conversations didn't delve into family history. All of my grandparents lived to thei mid eighties so I have a bit more information from them. And I guess because I was the eldest in my generation I had more contact with relatives who have now passed away. My uncles suggested when I was young that I chronicle the family history but I didn't take the suggestion seriously and very much regret not asking more questions and writing things down. I have become involved in later life with family reunion organising so I have caught up a bit. It's such a shame I wasn't able to have my father and older family tested, but I am hoping to have my mother complete an autosomal test with myHeritage, thinking that the swab might be easier for her. I was looking at the mtDNA tests as well but would there be much advantage in having my 89 year old mother do that as opposed to myself? I am going to get my brother to do the Y chromosome DNA test to get our patrilineal line, and am thinking of getting my my maternal side uncle to do one too for my maternal grandfather's line. What would be your opinion on that? I do have family tree mostly nutted out back to 1700.
55:30 Regarding Berkay Sülek's ancestry, I don't want to be rude, but I think he is ignoring the history of his own country (Turkey). Until 500-600 years ago, vast swathes of what is now Turkey were largely inhabited by ethnic Greeks, Armenians, and to a lesser extent Italians. The presence of Greek- and Italian-related DNA in his genome need not be explained by any "great migration" of Greeks and Italians into Turkey (Anatolia, Ottoman Empire). I fact, it was exactly the opposite: the "great migration" was of Ottoman Turks into Anatolia (Byzantine Empire), eventually taking over the whole territory. With such a high percentage of non-Turkish DNA, that probably means a large part of his ancestry is made up of pre-Turkish (Greeks and their closely related Southern Italians) natives of Anatolia that, in the decades or centuries after the Turkish takeover, converted to Islam, mixed with Turkish Muslims, and progressively identified as Turks and not as Greeks (because identifying as Greek usually meant being Orthodox Christian). So, I would put my money on his Greek and Southern Italian ancestry not being a recent thing, but a very, very old thing. He probably inherited that DNA on numerous small segments from various branches of his family, not as a big chunk from a recent ancestor. Regarding the fact that he has no ancestors in the last 200 years with Greek or Italian names - basically irrelevant. If his Greek and Italian ancestors converted to Islam 300-500 years ago, it's almost certain they adopted "Islamic" names and even family names. The British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens converted to Islam and changed his name to Yusuf Islam. In 300 years, if his hypothetical descendants are still Muslim and having children with other Muslims, they will be able to say, "I know all my ancestors going 200 years back and all of them have Muslim names!" (BTW, Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam was actually born Steven Demetre Georgiou, British born, but with a mother of Swedish descent and a Greek Cypriot father.) ------ Contrary to popular belief, when empires expand - specially if they do it to a "densely" populated region - there is very little population replacement. When the Turks invaded, they didn't expel the Greek and Armenian population. They just dominated them politically and economically. The incoming power had no interest in expelling the working population. They have no interest in tending to the land and do non-military tasks themselves. They would much rather own the land and just collect taxes and rents from tenants (i.e. the natives that had been there for centuries, now subjugated to a new overlord). When empires expand, the vast majority of the population remains. The great replacement is on the elite echelons, not among the commoners. And, in some cases, not even the elites change: if the old elites accept their subsidiary role under the new power, the new power often allows them to preserve their elite status, ruling the same land but now in the name of the new power.
I am very well aware of the history. It is not me who doesn't believe in it but my family. I simply hoped that he would give me a very reasonable answer so I could make a case against them.
Today I sat down and did Leeds method with my maternal gma's matches (60-300cm... resulting in 200 matches) to try to figure out what my maternal 3rd great grandma's maiden identity is. I sent it to a local genealogist to look at, and he thinks he figured it out. I have a meeting with him tomorrow to go over his hypothesis. I am so excited!
My mother lost her life because I took a 23andMe Gene test! In Canada the Monarch is targeting genetically. They cut and shocked my mothers brain by Nuraleve Royal Assent medical device until she died. I escaped, damaged from their concentration camp experiments and the Peel Region Ontario Politicians and Developers are evicting me and coming after my life. This is wrong, have we inherited land is that why ? The following genes are targeted Haplogroup - M5A1b Ox- Copper Disorder Lion - Lipid Storage Disorder Eagle- Non PKU (Hawkinsuria) Woman - G6PD, congenital thryoid
I was fortunate to know 2 of my Great grandparents as they died when I was 10. But that doesn't give me an advantage in family history research, except I know what they looked like and a bit of their personalities. Our conversations didn't delve into family history. All of my grandparents lived to thei mid eighties so I have a bit more information from them. And I guess because I was the eldest in my generation I had more contact with relatives who have now passed away. My uncles suggested when I was young that I chronicle the family history but I didn't take the suggestion seriously and very much regret not asking more questions and writing things down. I have become involved in later life with family reunion organising so I have caught up a bit. It's such a shame I wasn't able to have my father and older family tested, but I am hoping to have my mother complete an autosomal test with myHeritage, thinking that the swab might be easier for her. I was looking at the mtDNA tests as well but would there be much advantage in having my 89 year old mother do that as opposed to myself? I am going to get my brother to do the Y chromosome DNA test to get our patrilineal line, and am thinking of getting my my maternal side uncle to do one too for my maternal grandfather's line. What would be your opinion on that? I do have family tree mostly nutted out back to 1700.
I missed this, if this was live on Fri. , or Sat. then I for sure missed it😢
55:30 Regarding Berkay Sülek's ancestry, I don't want to be rude, but I think he is ignoring the history of his own country (Turkey).
Until 500-600 years ago, vast swathes of what is now Turkey were largely inhabited by ethnic Greeks, Armenians, and to a lesser extent Italians.
The presence of Greek- and Italian-related DNA in his genome need not be explained by any "great migration" of Greeks and Italians into Turkey (Anatolia, Ottoman Empire).
I fact, it was exactly the opposite: the "great migration" was of Ottoman Turks into Anatolia (Byzantine Empire), eventually taking over the whole territory.
With such a high percentage of non-Turkish DNA, that probably means a large part of his ancestry is made up of pre-Turkish (Greeks and their closely related Southern Italians) natives of Anatolia that, in the decades or centuries after the Turkish takeover, converted to Islam, mixed with Turkish Muslims, and progressively identified as Turks and not as Greeks (because identifying as Greek usually meant being Orthodox Christian).
So, I would put my money on his Greek and Southern Italian ancestry not being a recent thing, but a very, very old thing. He probably inherited that DNA on numerous small segments from various branches of his family, not as a big chunk from a recent ancestor.
Regarding the fact that he has no ancestors in the last 200 years with Greek or Italian names - basically irrelevant. If his Greek and Italian ancestors converted to Islam 300-500 years ago, it's almost certain they adopted "Islamic" names and even family names. The British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens converted to Islam and changed his name to Yusuf Islam. In 300 years, if his hypothetical descendants are still Muslim and having children with other Muslims, they will be able to say, "I know all my ancestors going 200 years back and all of them have Muslim names!" (BTW, Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam was actually born Steven Demetre Georgiou, British born, but with a mother of Swedish descent and a Greek Cypriot father.)
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Contrary to popular belief, when empires expand - specially if they do it to a "densely" populated region - there is very little population replacement. When the Turks invaded, they didn't expel the Greek and Armenian population. They just dominated them politically and economically.
The incoming power had no interest in expelling the working population. They have no interest in tending to the land and do non-military tasks themselves. They would much rather own the land and just collect taxes and rents from tenants (i.e. the natives that had been there for centuries, now subjugated to a new overlord).
When empires expand, the vast majority of the population remains. The great replacement is on the elite echelons, not among the commoners. And, in some cases, not even the elites change: if the old elites accept their subsidiary role under the new power, the new power often allows them to preserve their elite status, ruling the same land but now in the name of the new power.
I am very well aware of the history. It is not me who doesn't believe in it but my family. I simply hoped that he would give me a very reasonable answer so I could make a case against them.
Today I sat down and did Leeds method with my maternal gma's matches (60-300cm... resulting in 200 matches) to try to figure out what my maternal 3rd great grandma's maiden identity is. I sent it to a local genealogist to look at, and he thinks he figured it out. I have a meeting with him tomorrow to go over his hypothesis. I am so excited!
Always saddens me when discussions of DNA tests are consumed with identity shopping.
My mother lost her life because I took a 23andMe Gene test!
In Canada the Monarch is targeting genetically. They cut and shocked my mothers brain by Nuraleve Royal Assent medical device until she died. I escaped, damaged from their concentration camp experiments and the Peel Region Ontario Politicians and Developers are evicting me and coming after my life. This is wrong, have we inherited land is that why ? The following genes are targeted
Haplogroup - M5A1b
Ox- Copper Disorder
Lion - Lipid Storage Disorder
Eagle- Non PKU (Hawkinsuria)
Woman - G6PD, congenital thryoid