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God talks about "His children praying to 'the queen of heaven' That's exactly who Roman Catholics are describing as Mary, without saying that exact term. Mary is not special, she is blessed. Jesus was NOT a created being, Mary is!! God is extremely specific about not praying to anyone dead, whether in Heaven or hell, it's blasphemy. How do you know where they are??? You dont!! Yes, The Bible is very clear about everything we must know and every doctrine we must follow to have a sound understanding and soundly know Christ. People need to read Scripture for themselves, and Listen to the Holy Spirit and Test the Spirits. These doctrines will send you to Hell. Plain and simple. Show your gratitude and veneration for God Himself for His choices and His own ways for doing things, it's that simple.
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This interview just proves Christianity is the one true faith I love you Jesus and I will always only pray to you ❤
@@thatswhatshesaid8365 You’re falsely equivocating, the queen of heaven in the Old Testament was an idol, Mary is not an idol.
What does "bless God" mean? Or rather, how did you come up with such a neat saying?
Lol the blatant Catholic-Christian hate in these comments is so sad. It's like if there's a direct effort to be ignorant about Trent's positions on so many things, and throwing out accusations like "unbiblical" as seemingly a last resort. When in reality, if you listen to the Catholic position explained well and with an open heart and mind you easily realize how sound it all is. Don't strawman things people, be better than that.
So you believe in Fatima? The biggest problem is that both Catholic heritages and Protestant heritages can easily believe in false doctrine and miracles whether that’s Fatima or “tongues” that are just senseless noises (false tongues). No one group has it 100% correct, and the closer one actually holds the Bible as infallible (as opposed to infallible men) things get clearer.
There are no “optional” beliefs about things like Fatima or the Lady of Guadalupe It’s either a false sign or the real deal, but it’s false based on some simple historic understanding…
@@jakeschwartz2514 What makes you say that the apparition of Our Lady of Fatima is false?
I couldn't agree more! And I thought the division in politics was bad. People that supposedly are "followers of Christ", regardless which faction you identify with can be downright evil with their tongues. (James chapter 3). Here's an idea; PRAY for everyone... PRAY for each other. And believe and hope for the best for everyone (1 Cor 13). When you hear something you don't agree with, before calling out that person on social media as a "heretic" (btw, that word is a VERY serious charge so beware before throwing it around). As a Protestant myself it saddens me that soooooo much of what I'm describing comes from my side. If you're Catholic and you love Jesus and take seriously your faith in him, we may differ on interpretations, but we are still Brothers in Christ in my book!
@@jakeschwartz2514 as a catholic I could care less about saints visions. True or not its not necessary to follow apparitions.
Catholic/Protestant hate was why I left Christian TikTok (before the shadow bans), that and Calvinist/Everyone hate. Christ isn’t returning to a segregated church. And God help us all if he does!
I used to know a Pastor who would say “according to my present level of understanding “ I always appreciated that because it let me know that he was just as human as we are. Thanks to Ruslan, Isaiah & Tim for being human!!
Scott Hahn's journey into the Catholic Church actually began with his wife discovering Natural Family Planning from Catholics.
You should try to have Dr. Scott Hahn on as well. Great interview! Scott used to be a Protestant Pastor and is now a leading Catholic Bible expert.
If he had Scott Hahn on I think he would convert.
@@jasonchase4252no he def wouldn’t 😂🤣
@@JesusIsKingForever77 famous last words ….
Scott Hahn bar none is the top apologist for Catholics in the world. Trent Horn does a great job, but no one articulates like Scott.
Scott Hahn converted me, a Seventh day Adventist, there just isn't much to argue with once you actually give Catholicism the Universal Church a fair chance.
I'm a Catholic and I really enjoy your videos Ruslan! I'm glad to go back to some of your older videos and finally coming across you and Trent Horn having this talk. It helps me further belive in Christ and his Church. Thank you and God bless all of you!
Thank you for asking Trent about indulgences. I finally understand the logic behind the temporal vs eternal punishment of sin. People keep jumping to the worst possible conclusions when it comes to Catholic doctrine hoping to reduce it into a cultish version of what it is. Nice to see this wasn't a problem for this interview.
Because there is also a measure of historical narrative that much of the indulgences was based on greed, or even wanting to finance a new vain cathedral. So who's right? Did this guy just try and dodge?
@@Meat_Skraps well i wouldnt say that we all are the rightest christians... I am catholic, now since the catholic church got out of greed era for me its safe to say that its the right one... It was made by Jesus himself so yeah... A
@@potato96hasdrowned66 except it wasn't made by Jesus.
@@Meat_Skraps Show evidence, post sources, and frankly no sources that absolutely hate the Church.
@@jndvs95and Protestantism was? 😅
Trents knowledge on christianity is unreal, great talk.
Trent Horn knows & advocates for
Catholicism.
@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc to be a Catholic is to be a Christian
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7scto be Christian is to be Catholic
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc that's the same thing man
@@A-ARonYeager 😂
Im a catholic and appreciated some clarity that was provided here. I just loved this episode and can’t thank you enough for sharing this with the world. I’m so glad I’m subscribed to your channel. Please keep these coming, the lord is working through all of you gentlemen ✝️🙏🏼
I love Trent! he is so clear, concise, and kind.
Trent has those qualities as he is very intelligent and is an expert debater.
@@danielkim672 Isn't he rather an expert debater because he has those traits? There are other serial debaters that do not.
@@someman7 I guess I was trying to say that there are many intelligent folks,that are clear, concise and kind that are not expert debaters. They are good writers, good in interviews, but not in debates. I think most (maybe all) expert debaters are clear, concise, and kind, and intelligent, but not always true the other way around
@@danielkim672
And yet, he’s an unsaved Catholic…
@@Nighhhts how do you know he is unsaved?
Trent is amazing! I found his channel a year ago and my theology has grown significantly. I love Christ more than ever before ❤
Thank you for putting this up! I was raised Catholic and became Protestant and have now gone back to my roots as a Catholic. Love the way you guys represented God's Kingdom today!
Good on you Ruslan for letting Trent speak freely. I'm sure Trent said a lot of things you would've liked to interrupt or question, but you weren't there to debate him but interview him. God's given you humility bro. Keep representing. I'm Catholic, love the church's teachings, but was largely evangelized by protestants in college and love the zeal and personal love for Christ of many protestants.
Trent is solid! Respect to Ruslan for giving him uninterrupted time to speak. 🙏🏻
Absolutely fabulous! Two very charitable Christian gentlemen. Hope Ruslan can have Trent on again. Awesome. God bless🙏
I like that he used clips from Cameron Bertuzzi who is now Catholic.
I Love the bridges/ understanding between denominations you two gentlemen are making. It is so beautiful. If I may contribute a thought to this discussion, ….Our Beloved Jewish Jesus that we love and want to bless while we are all still breathing came to earth to show us the path to the kingdom of heaven and eternal life. That path is found in Him, (not in denomination). This is the understanding that I found on my 70 year journey on earth. I have taken the reverence I learned as a young Catholic, and the Bible I read as a 45 year old Protestant and pray to bless others with the hope of Christ, which is very different from religion. Let us keep our focus on the Savior please. He is everthing we need ! I hope I haven’t offended. Jesus is my banner!!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼❤❤❤♥️🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thanks for being open to discuss these topics with Trent
Many Protestants hate Catholics and don't even know why. So much false info/ Conspiracy theories has been spread about Catholicism since the Reformation. I experienced this personally being raised in the Baptist denom.
Catholic Truth is a Channel I think you would also find interesting- Bryan is also a great apologist.
I don’t understand how anyone can read the New Testament and what Jesus said, then look at the RCC and the pope and think it’s in line with Jesus. Pope is a superstar even with LGBTQ and atheists. Jesus said you will be hated by the world. Open your eyes.
@@amartinez589 I would agree with you on the New Testament and RCC. I think the more honest Catholic apologists would point out that how the Roman Catholic Church today is vastly different to how the early church looked like. While doctrines did develop throughout the years to combat heresy, many Catholic dogmas seems to stretch tradition away from Scripture and that is where the main concern of Protestants are based on.
That said, it isn't much of a strong argument against the Papacy to say the current Pope is popular with LGBTQ and atheists (official Catholic teaching claims the Papacy is infallible in what it teaches ex cathedra but the people can err in their ways and character). To be fair with Catholics, they are one of the strongest moral voices when it comes to abortion, sex, homosexuality, death penalty, etc. that even many other Christian denominations fail to voice out. In fact, it's the same street-level attacks Catholics can use against Protestants (looking at many compromised Evangelical churches and personalities).
@@jopesh5083 I can almost hear where you’re coming from but I heard the news pope just booted a guy for having ties to maga but you don’t hear about him booting the rapists left and right. He bows down and kisses statues, he tells the people to care for the poor while he’s sitting on millions if not billions in real estate, the RCC is more than leaps and bounds from the original church, I have never heard a Catholic share the gospel. They appear to do a lot for the poor and mean well but a pair of shoes or a vaccine isn’t going to do anything for the poor in judgement.
@@amartinez589 I'm a cradle catholic and haven't felt much love from the "world".
When was the first cannon (Bible) and who provided to the world?
This was definitely eye opening. It was good to hear him talk because I am well versed in my own belief but do not know much about Catholicism.
This makes no sense. If you refrain rom sex while your wife is fertile, you ALSO are controlling contraception
@@detroitbaby161 What?
Keep digging because this long time Protestant(started in the 80’s) only heard negative so I never hiked back. 2 years ago I became Catholic fully.
@@jonkelley7713 Nah, I'm good.
@@erictheguapo A lot of Protestant biblical scholars and pastors are becoming Catholic, as a saying goes: "Strong Protestants become Catholic, weak Catholics become Protestant. A 19th century former Protestant pastor said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
I would say Trent is among the best apologists, but there's plenty of brilliant apologists out there. 👏 nice to see you embracing. Love being Catholic ❤️
I really appreciate the ability to have civil conversation/debate on this channel between people who have quite differing views like the Protestant/catholic debate. We are called to speak the truth in love, which this channel does a great job of
Thank you for sharing an appropriate title. Having been Inter-Denominational Protestant for 15 yrs I always find it hilarious when protestants try to tell Catholics what they believe when they don’t even get the basic tenants of our faith right & aren’t qualified to speak on it.
Lots of Catholics don't get the basic tenants of their own faith and aren't qualified to speak on it. Also "qualifed to speak on it" is a terrible appeal to expertise. If you have a brain and can think logically you can speak on it. Just be prepared to back up what you say
Catholicism is deep. Because it is the fullness of the Truth revealed by the Almighty God. So I really encourage my Protestant brothers to not dismiss its teachings that sounds off putting to their ears, but rather to study the Catechism of the Catholic Church and listen to reliable Catholic theologians expound on it.
I'm from the Philippines and we have a norm of asking the intercession of someone close to the person in power from whom we wish to ask a favor. It takes humility and an appreciation of family ties to believe in asking for intercession.
The Papacy is bunk. For most Protestants that office is blasphemy.
To know that I have a holy family who is watching and praying for me is such a beautiful thing where I used to be so purely against asking for prayers of Saints. I love my faith. 🙌🏽 All glory to God for bringing me here. Also this was a good discussion and I look forward to more even if we still have disagreements. I think it’s good to at least come to understandings and see why someone believes a certain way.
I wish you will have more podcast contents like this in the near. I really enjoyed as a Catholic myself. My cousins are protestants and we get all along after all.
Catholic in the house, I love you all brothers and sisters
Such an awesome conversation! Keep doing these types of convos Ruslan! They really give insight into how we are are still connected through Jesus no matter the nuance or tradition of our faith. Thanks!!
Just listened to the entire podcast. It was really good. Thank you for this. So much clarity and knowledge. ❤
His argument is so compelling.
Don’t underestimate someone who truly believes in their interpretation of something.😊
The Catholic church is the one true church Jesus started. One, holy, catholic and apostolic church as it states in the Nicene creed in 325 AD.
Thank you, for this gracious charitable conversation
Trent Horn brought me to the truth and allowed me to see the true offer Christ made. Love Him
Truth is found via Holy Scripture +
Holy Spirit. Spiritual matters are discerned spiritually.
This discussion was very edifying for me. Thank you very much! God bless
I’ve always been confused about what Catholics believe, so thank you, Ruslan
There's two books that help with that-Bible for basics, Catechism for complex bits.
It’s the true doctrine
God is Good all the time! Amen! Ruslan has such a bona-fide banger of a Podcast!
Beautiful dialog, thank you 🙏🏼
The 16th century protestants: Luther, Zwingli, and others speak amazing words concerning Mary.
Bible itself gives sufficient and accurate information about Mary.
@1:10:20
Mind blown 💥
She is the only person to have ever lived that can call our Lord, flesh of my flesh. Bone of my bone
Edit: in short, she calls him her son
Ephesians 5:30 "We (the church) are members of his body, of his flesh and of his bones"...This is the truth, and this is what matters!! We (Christians), are ALL of his body, of his flesh and of his bones!!..
@LB-rc3nt We can say it figuratively speaking. The mother of God can say it literally speaking
@@DUZCO10 Actually we can say it spiritually speaking..AND, "It is the spirit that gives life.. the flesh profits nothing.."
@LB-rc3nt the word became flesh so you can't use that verse whenever the word flesh comes up.
There is no denying that God became fully man and got His DNA from the blessed mother.
@@DUZCO10good point
This is great stuff. Raised protestant we used birth control. I realized in my later years that this was against God's plan. One thing that I would differ with you about is that I shouldn't plan how many kids that I am going to have for any reason. I can't provide anything without the hand of God. Likewise, He will provide for however many children He deems is necessary for us to fulfill His purpose. Any restrictions that I impose on God can lead me back to contraceptives.
I grew up Missionary Baptist, so I've always been kind of "anti-catholic". But as I've gotten older and grown more in my faith outside of what my pastors had taught when I was younger, I'm finding it hard not to believe that The Catholic Church is not the true church.
When I was going to Missionary Baptist churches when I was younger I always found it difficult to understand why people had to be baptized to join the church and why they had to be baptized again if they ever decided to join a different church. I didn't know until now that Catholics believe that you only need to be baptized once.
please watch more of Trent's videos! If you're looking for a good Catholic Mass I would recommend a latin Mass in the diocese or an Eastern Catholic church Mass.
Keep searching for the answers to your questions! Questions are good.
Catholic answers is a fantastic site. Also the "catechism of the catholic church" is a great book to read in tandem with the bible. Peace be with you.
@@maybellinelover I think it would be helpful if you looked up these claims on a catholic website like "catholic answers". It's important to understand what "papal infallibility" actually means instead of making statements like "the pope is always right".
@@maybellinelover do you think it's coincidence that Rome was dissolved by Christianity and still exists today, over 1,500 years later, as the Roman Catholic Church, the largest group of Christians in the world? Daniel 7:27
@@maybellinelover RUclips isn't glitching, it's because my name is in Hebrew, which is written right to left. I'm surprised that someone who knows the Bible and "the original church" so well doesn't know that.
This was an awesome talk! We need more of these talks. We need to start working together & putting our differences aside. Do you think our Lord wants us divided and fighting? No, but thats what the enemy wants. Yet we go right along with it. I hope we can get more talks like this whether they be recorded or off screen, on a large or small scale
I learned so much from this.
Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. Heb 4:16
Amen! Thank You Jesus for making a way for us to come to you directly, ourselves, not needing anyone else. 🙌
Trent is very clear and concise with that sweet radio voice.
Public speaking skills + Lots of practice.
I appreciate you both.
Trent is fantastic!
I absolutely love and appreciate this great dialog, and I wish we'd see much more of this rather than the common vitriol we see in all these Christian factions going on everyday particularly all over social media. I'm raised from a die-hard Protestant family and when it comes to Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy, I hate to say it but we are some of the meanest people on the planet. There's so much to discover when you study ancient church history which in my opinion is valid. And Ruslan is right, we say "Sola Scriptura" yet we still interpret scriptures based on our upbringing (our bias). Clearly Trent is a great brother in Christ, and while i cant say i completely agree with all his takes I definitely understand more his positions and when it comes to the essentials of the faith id have to say we're still on the same team
Well, there’s history to uncover, then there’s the RC version of it.
Not the same.
This video was very well done 👍🏻 we need more of these discussions in order to bridge the gap and unite against the evil one
Trent is so amazing. Truly a child of God. No matter how much I disagree with him I love the work he does for Christ.
“Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name claiming ‘I am The Christ’ and will deceive many.”
Is “Vicar of Christ” a claim ? 🧐
👉 Who are the deceived ones ?
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."
I can quote Scripture too! Fortunately for me I belong to the Church of Christ and his body so I can avoid faulty personal interpretation. I hope and pray someday you abandon the church of Shirley and join the true Catholic and Apostolic Church!
@@zakkonieczka6811awesome rebuttal
At least we can thank the Catholic Church for allowing the Bible to be given into the hands of the common person to read for themselves…
the Catholoc Church has fed Billions across the world
I’m so grateful for those who against RCC Rules studied,
translated, wrote, printed, distributed, lived and taught
The Word of God.
RCC has hidden, forbidden and replaced The Bible for centuries.
Another Catholic bashing statement that is completely without merit. When was the printing press invented? Prior to that time the Bible was copied by hand - not Microsoft Word. And there weren't lines of people volunteering to make copies - which I'm sure you can admit is a monumental task. The Bible was also not kept from the faithful. Every single day at mass there are readings from the old testament, the new testament and from one of the Gospels. Every single year is a full reading of the Bible. The argument that it was kept hidden and the conspiracy theory that the Church didn't want the faithful to actually be able to read the Bible is so old and worn. The seven sacraments of the church are completely biblical. The entire mass is completely biblical. I couldn't help but laugh when just an hour ago I listened to a Protestant minister when responding to a question about faith and works, said he has come to strike a balance between James and Paul. It is not possible to have faith in Christ without responding to what he commanded believers should do. Faith without works is like a body without a soul, dead.
I'm great full to the catholic church so assembling the Bible without the Church of Christ we wouldn't have it
22:01 Proud Syro Malabar Catholic. Big fan of Trent
Great convo! ⚡️
I love this video and conversation. I want to ask, not to take away from the conversation, but what Jay's are you wearing Ruslan? they look nice
Well done!
Trent’s a good dude. His arguments are always sound
@@briendoyle4680 can you explain the comedy to me fam 🤷🏽♂️
@@briendoyle4680 if you truly believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to debate it. Deep down you are afraid that you find out the truth of God when it's too late, after you pass from this life. Search for him now
@@briendoyle4680what if i asked you to prove to me you are real. Do you see how entitled that sounds? Your existence isn't determinant on your decision to prove yourself to me or not. What's sad is that you are the one with something to lose, but you seem to think that others are obligated to prove God to you. It's obvious that there is an unsettling in your heart, otherwise you would simply not believe without questioning. When you come to the place where you truly want to find God, I can point you to the right direction where you will find him. It's your choice. It won't affect me either way.
@@briendoyle4680 How ironic you seem to have an elementary understanding of god and you call us childish?
@@briendoyle4680 you're obviously searching, but with the wrong heart. It's unfortunate because you won't find God that way. 😕
This was a good conversation
Luke 11:28
But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Church comes from
A Greek word “ekklesia” which means the “called out ones”
Those who have been called out of this world for the Kingdom!
No denomination is the “only true church” that is claiming Christ only saves certain people and thats not true.
The word also means church, and is translated that way by several mainstream translations.
I KNEW i would love this interview!!!! I've had MANY Biblical arguments with Trent Horn 🤣🤣🤣 I love listening to him! If we ever had a conversation, it would be really long. I don't agree with Catholic doctrine and traditions; there would be much digital Interlinear page turning and lots of questions. I was discussing right along with you both. He leans so heavily on tradition and dogma. As much as I disagree with a lot of what He says, Trent is fascinating to listen to and knows so much church history and where Catholicism got it's roots and traditions. I have much respect for him. Thank you Ruslan and Trent!!!! Awesome interview!!!!! Maybe one day he'll let me interview him for my channel 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 PS....I believe he's my brother in Christ despite our major doctrinal differences. And YES i vote for part 2
Well, if you believe in the Bible you're leaning on tradition too. Before the Scriptures were written down they were oral tradition. And this is not even getting to the fact that the biblical canon IS a tradition you've received from previous generations.
@Chrysostomus what do you mean? The Bible isn't a collection of "traditions". Have you ever studied it? It's God inspired revelation of God and His plan for humans. It's a history of how He has made Himself known to us from the beginning of time, through the Israelites; Memorization was how they passed on the information before writing. It wasn't a preservation of traditions. It's what God wants us to know about Him. Not a book of myths or to do's/don'ts. It's a record I've received from scribes who copied meticulously in previous generations. You might want to do some research on textual criticism and early Church history.
@@Nikki-MMG The Bible is literally oral tradition in written form. In the ancient world people memorized narratives. Ancient Jews knew the Psalms by heart, for example. Writing was expensive and it was a back-up plan more than anything. Almost everything in the Bible started out as oral tradition before it was written down hundreds of years later in the OT, in the NT's case it was decades later for the Gospels. Even Paul's letters were a back-up just in case something happened to the messenger. That's why sometimes Paul mentions in passing bizarre things and we have no idea what he's talking about, like the "baptism of the dead." His messages to the churches and other communities was primarily oral, and the written letter a summary.
So, this is why your theology is untenable. The Scriptures themselves are traditions from the men and women who received God's revelation.
"It wasn't a preservation of traditions."
Passing oral tradition from one generation to the next is literally tradition. You are talking about tradition.
Also, I noticed how you ignored my comment about the canon.
You did not come up with the canon in this generation.
The canon is something you've inherited from past generations.
It is a tradition.
Everything about our religion is holy tradition.
God revealed himself or his will to others and they in turn have passed it to the next generation so on and so forth until it has reached us.
That's called tradition.
You didn't receive the Good News from God himself.
You received it as a TRADITION from others who came before you.
@Chrysostomus gotcha! You're catholic. I was using the word traditions to mean practices and rituals, like Catholicism added to Christianity. There are tons of inconsistencies in the dogmas, writings and catechisms from what the apostles passed on. Those writings place authority on the Catholic leaders and give them authority to trump Scripture.
This is why it's important to clarify word definitions as they don't mean the same things to everyone anymore. I didn't ignore your comment on the canon,; I referred to it when I said we have God's revelation of Himself. Scripture IS the canon. But, I was talking about the rituals and dogmas, works-based thinking and added stuff from Catholicism. You are using "tradition" differently than I was. I will make sure to use the correct wording in the future. The canon is made up of writings that were from the Jews or apostolic men. The apocryphal books aren't unanimously accepted, so those are categorized differently. I won't even address those. I've studied them; I see why they are contoversial. My degree is in Biblical Studies.
And why would you think, I believe the 66 books we call the Bible (aka the canon) "are what I came up with in my generation"? That's a silly statement. I didn't decide on the canon for one. The canonization of early church writings is also irrelevant to the conversation. They already existed in writing
You are using the word "tradition" differently than I was. I will be more clear in the future. We don't call eyewitness testimony "tradition" or a history book "tradition". The Bible is a collection of historical events and experiences with God. That's what I meant. I know there was a time that people didn't write, they memorized; I study textual criticism.
@@Chrysostomus_17 and by the way....I love having these conversations. Thanks for pointing out my poor choice of that word. It helps me grow in apologetics. I like being challenged. Lol. It makes me grow 😉
Bless God Studios Ruslan and Trent both did well here overall I think especially agreeing with one another that those of us that believe in the core doctrines of the faith are still brothers/sisters in Christ.. 👏🏽.. secondary issues and disagreements we still have amongst Protestants/Catholics/orthodox
Ecumenical Movement agenda is proceeding as planned. However,
TRUTH must come before Unity.
Catholicism is a religion different than bible-based Christianity.
Enjoy both Ruslan’s and Trent’s content! This was a great discussion…on another note, I really don’t care for James White’s debate style. Mike Winger v Trent Horn would be great to see!
Also in Mathew only god can forgive sin that’s why Jesus was being accused of blasphemy
Yes the full video. Will you have more Catholics on the show?
Sure
@@RuslanKD Try to get some Eastern Orthodox too. Jonathan Pageau could be a great guest.
@@RuslanKD I would recommend Joe Heschmeyer, one of Trent's coworkers at Catholic Answers. He has a podcast called Shameless Popery. I think it would be really cool if you could have a discussion with him on his book "The Early Church was the Catholic Church", where he focuses on the first two centuries (before any Roman “apostasy” is said to have taken place) and bedrock principles of Christian belief, authority, and worship. He looks into the words and actions of those who lived right after the apostles and what they had to say about how the Faith was practiced “back then.”
Another person who would be amazing to see you have a discussion with would be Brant Pitre regarding his work on the Jewish roots of Christianity. His books "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist" and "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary" are really good. He also has a lot of YT videos regarding this topic, just search Brant Pitre Jewish Roots "x" (i.e. Eucharist/Mary/Papacy/etc.).
Hope not
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc why not?
Proverbs 12:25
Heaviness in the heart of man maketh it stoop: but a good word maketh it glad.
Here are some Great Catholic theologians/apologists to follow for our Protestant brethren: Trent Horn, Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Dr. Taylor Marshall (Traditional), Exorcist - Fr. Chad Ripperger, Fr. Isaac Mary Relyaa
It’s not Catholics I have issues with(they tend to be awesome and Godly people), it’s the founding and history of the leadership of the church(changing of the Sabbath(or claim), claiming that some leaders are to be able to forgive sins(blasphemy), changing the Ten Commandments in the Catholic Church(they[the papacy] removed the commandment forbidding idolatry), selling of indulgences, and promoting necromancy. Again, Catholics are great people even sometimes nicer than many Protestants. I have an issue with the foundations and history of the Catholic Church and current state of the leaders in it, not the people
We didn't change the ten commandments. We didn't change the sabbath. We observe sabbath. The day you believe in Jesus you enter God's rest which is true, God's sabbath. So for us Christians today is sabbath, tomorrow is sabbath, every day is a sabbath till 2nd coming of Christ. Also priests don't forgive sins, rather God forgive sins through the priest. We don't pray to dead. Since according to Jesus ,if you believe in Him you will never die. So believers of the past, we call them saints are present with God and are praying for us. And we don't sell indulgences for centuries now. But if you want to buy some go to Kenneth Copeland.
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus
1 Tim.2:5
Mediator is not intercession
Dig deeper.
That's awesome. I've been thinking like Thomas Aquinas for almost thirty years and never knew that's where it came from.
I am all for learning church history. I just believe it is educational and brings clarity,
understanding, and protocol. None of it will determine your place in heaven, so I never understand why it's debated so much.
Protestants try not to rely on it because most of them are sola scriptura and a lot of the writings of the Early Church Fathers and Apostolic Fathers are a little too Catholic for their taste. It contradicts their own beliefs.
Church history matters for at least these reasons in conjuction with the Bible:
1) Water baptism - this becomes a non-negotiable
2) Belief in the Trinity
3) Divine and human nature of Jesus
Rejecting any of these will keep you out of heaven.
Great video! You really should do an interview with an Eastern Orthodox, I recommend Father Josiah Trenham.
God Bless Trent Horn ❤
Imagine one of your loved ones is in heaven and are still aware of what's going on here,you think to hey would be enjoying heaven?
Natural Family Planning is much healthier for women than the pill, and it’s an empowering way for women to understand and be in tune with their bodies. I hope more and more couples will use it.
This is the best explanation of heterosexuality that I’ve heard yet. I just want to express that birth control can also be used while still being OPEN to the possibility of pregnancy. It may be seen as the next best thing to choosing to, as a form of birth control, suppress our urges and be abstinent. But how do we know that abstaining is not a block to what God intends for couples? Sex is possible all of the time while certain things have to align for conception to occur. So sex may more often times than not…be for recreational purposes and recreation is usually a choice. It may be better to say that IF we enter the “World of Sex” we should play by God’s rules and not add to it…when it comes to bringing life into the world.
If by birth control you mean the artificial means, then no it's against the natural order of the sex act.
From what I heard from secondhand sources is that birth control pill can cause a abortion without the person being aware of it. One pro life website claims "It is a medical fact that the morning-after pill (a high dosage of the birth control pill) and most if not all birth control drugs and devices including the intrauterine device (IUD), Depo Provera, the Patch, and the Pill can act to terminate a pregnancy by chemically altering the lining of the uterus (endometrium) so that a newly conceived child (human embryo) is unable to implant in the womb, thus starving and dying. "
My question is if Mary can listen to your prayers,does she hear one at a time? You have to realize that she is not omnipresent or omnipotent. When they mentioned toJesus your mother and brother he asked who is my mother?
The Holy Spirit makes it possible for those in eternity with God to know who and what to pray for. Thinking about "one at a time" doesn't make sense in eternity, which is a timeless state.
Great video
I have one more question… if Mary isn’t omnipotent like God how can she handle all of these prayer requests?
All by the grace of God. Mary is not omnipotent, but those in heaven are not confined in time like we are since they are now living in the fullness of God who is eternal. Since “time” passes differently in heaven, maybe it is possible. But again, only by the grace of God. Through Him, with Him, and in Him ❤️ I hope that helps!
@@kailynsoros4216 Oh wow... I didn't realize I got an answer :) Thank you so much.... It actually does help.
This was beautiful!
Keith Nester should be on your show.
Great conversation
There's a lot of philosophical consistency with Trent but philosophical consistency doesn't determine true doctrine. It can bolster our confidence in what is true, but shouldn't we refrain from building our foundation on it?
"Now these things, brothers, I have applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to go beyond what is written, so that no one of you will become puffed up on behalf of one against the other."
1 Corinthians 4:6
I'm still not convinced on the Mary thing...The arguments trying to justify that issue always seem non convincing. They always seem like they are trying to tap dance around to find the correct answer and aren't even convinced themselves of their own answers on that issue.
I find it quite simple really. Anyone who loves their biological mother would honour her, maybe have a photo of her in the home, ask her for advise and wisdom. And any good mother would love their child unconditionally, be protective of their child and want the very best for them. Mary is holy. No mother could be better than her. No one could love Jesus more than Mary does and she would want all of us to love him and be united to him. I want the same for my children. I pray for my children every day asking God to give them the grace to choose Him, and to know him. Mary would do the same as a loving mother. She prays for her children.
Many Catholic exorcists have all experienced during exorcisms, demons declaring their hatred for Mary because she is a creature, but so holy. They know Jesus is Lord and they have nothing over Jesus, but they hate that God has bestowed such a grace on Mary. They despise our human nature. They fell from heaven because they refused to serve us, who ultimately many of the angels were created for. They basically said to God “We will not serve “. Mary is the “ handmaiden” of the Lord who served God perfectly. Her intercession drives demons away and the demons attest to it. Watch Fr Chad Ripperger’s talks on this very topic. He is a priest, exorcist, philosopher.
I find it quite simple really. Anyone who loves their biological mother would honour her, maybe have a photo of her in the home, ask her for advise and wisdom. And any good mother would love their child unconditionally, be protective of their child and want the very best for them. Mary is holy. No mother could be better than her. No one could love Jesus more than Mary does and she would want all of us to love him and be united to him. I want the same for my children. I pray for my children every day asking God to give them the grace to choose Him, and to know him. Mary would do the same as a loving mother. She prays for her children.
Many Catholic exorcists have all experienced during exorcisms, demons declaring their hatred for Mary because she is a creature, but so holy. They know Jesus is Lord and they have nothing over Jesus, but they hate that God has bestowed such a grace on Mary. They despise our human nature. They fell from heaven because they refused to serve us, who ultimately many of the angels were created for. They basically said to God “We will not serve “. Mary is the “ handmaiden” of the Lord who served God perfectly. Her intercession drives demons away and the demons attest to it. Watch Fr Chad Ripperger’s talks on this very topic. He is a priest, exorcist, philosopher.
For a lot of former Protestant pastor testimonies, the Mary thing is the last hurdle for them to overcome become before converting to Catholicism. For others, it's the easiest obstacle to surmount.
You are right about the Mary topic, I bet if the Lord were in their temples there would have been a lot of smashing of idols, driving the attention away from God and Jesus.
Don't undersell the difference between "honor" and "worship," which is the crux of the argument. They are not really degrees of the same thing.
Part 2!!!
Psalm 19: 12-14
12 But who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults. 13 Keep your servant also from presumptuous sins; may they not rule over me. Then I will be blameless, innocent of great transgression. 14 May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.
Rus I would love to see you have a talk with atleast 1 of these 3 men Scott Hann, Timothy Flanders or Taylor Marshall. I think it would be a great conversation all of these men are highly educated people that left protestantism for the Roman catholic church. It would be great to hear the arguments on both sides. Thanks for the content.
Trent Horn is great. Brant Pitre is my favorite Catholic teacher
He’s books and videos are amazing
When I just got saved, (I believed the gospel and gave my life to Christ), the first church I went to was a Catholic church, not knowing the differences between protestants and catholics. I had a talk with the pastor and he literally told me that I wasn’t saved yet, because I still had to do the sacraments, etc.. I was talking about all the bible verses about salvation by grace through faith and the pastor just shrugged it off and gave me a prayerbook with prayers to the saints.
I left there SO confused
I think you misunderstood what he is saying. The only act you need to do is not die in a state of Mortal(serious sin) to be saved. The Sacraments are institutions Jesus made himself to help us along the way. Certain Sacraments like Baptism we all share while others like Matrimony or Holy Orders(ordination) are only for people who are entering a Sacramental covenant with God, IE marriage or being ordained as a Priest or Nun.
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I am sure he meant well but he definitely said I wasn’t completely saved yet, unless I did all these extra things. I asked him to explain what he meant, and he said that believing in Jesus is only step one of salvation. It’s not that long ago, I remember it quite clearly.
@@annikaelisaa1879 well it’s just odd that a priest would be so theologically wrong. No Catholic teaches that Sacraments are key to Salvation. Unless of course he was talking about you becoming a full practicing adult member of the Church.
@@annikaelisaa1879 I do agree with him that simply believing in Jesus is only part of salvation. Even the devil believes in Jesus.
We don’t believe in once saved always saved. We believe it’s an ongoing process throughout your life. So what he said was true. He would want to counsel you and bring you into the church through the RCIA program, religious Ed for adults. Then you’d go through first confession, then baptism (if needed) and first communion at Easter. Then you’d be a member of church. At that point you’d follow the rules and doctrines of the church, observing holy days, going to confession, and attending mass and taking communion. To be saved you stay in a state of grace until you die.
Didn’t know that Ruslan was so simple about Mary and Roman catholic teachings of her
Great interview. Please get Gavin Ortlund on to respond to some of these points.
Good interview. It would be perfect if you could interview Professor Walter Veith who was once a Catholic and is now a Seventh-day Adventist and ask him the exact questions you asked this guest...to get his perspective on Luther, indulgencies etc...i think tou would find his views very interesting and you would revisit the entire discussion abt the papacy/ catholiscism and biblical Christianity.
He left the truth for heresy. You do know SDAs require you to believe that they're founder is a true Prophetess?
Consider this fact: Everyone who
isn’t a Catholic is considered a “heretic” by Catholics.
Even a Catholic who “protests” against any pope (even one like Leo X) is considered a “heretic”.
CHRIST “protested” against some religious leaders. 🧐
So I appreciate the decorum y’all had. I’m also feeling encouraged to learn church history. I just can’t get over that the intercession in the Catholic faith is a member of the vine rather than the Holy Spirit.
Excellent point!
Bro, you don’t have to pray to the saints to be Catholic. You really only need Jesus. Saints are just role models we pray to (or speak to in a spiritual way if the word “pray is to triggering) because it’s nice to be in communion with all believers whether “dead” or alive. But we actually believe they are alive since they are in communion with God. Don’t worry though, they aren’t necessary for salvation. What matters is being sincere in following Jesus and this is the church Jesus founded. It has a lot of problems so it needs a lot of reformers from the inside
@@ABB14-11 if you believe it needs reform (which was the Protestant view) why not just become a Protestant?
Prayer is a worship and I can not pray to anyone other than God. There’s other issues I have with this sect as well.
@@David_Bagent Do you ever pray for other people? Or ask others to pray for you? That's literally all Catholics are doing when "praying to the saints". They're just asking other people to pray for them. It's the same basic idea, whether the person you're asking to pray for you is on earth or in heaven.
Mmh dont you know in the Bible the most powerful prayer is a selfless prayer, prayer for other pple too not just me me me all the time. Catholicism encourages pple to also pray for other pple who aren't able to do that. Again stop being ignorant abd actually make an effort to learn and understand more ob Catholicism and u will know there is know where in it it says its a must we ask for intercession from saints. Rather saints act as good role models to catholics in helping them to live righteously and in following Jesus teachings. I mean it mkes sense why are u thinking so far during this day and age its better having a good role model being a saint than any other celebrity or musician especially to children to make them know tht there were good righteous pple beforethem who followed Jesus teachings. So whats wrong with that🤨
Esther is a terrific book for what intercession actually is. It embraces that whole idea that God is not safe - think CS Lewis’s portrayal of Asian.
I’m Orthodox.
Thank you for 1) informing me on so many Catholic doctrines. 2) confirming why I will never be Catholic.
How can the Catholic be the True Church and ecumenical if they have anathematised every other Patriarchate. What a delusion.
Also, I appreciate you didn’t interrupt him Ruslan while he was talking.
It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not. Catholic Church is the original Church, that Orthodox Christianity, and later Protestantism, branched out of.
I know they went over Mary but I wish the next interview they go further cuz I get lost at the rosary.
That I’m told repeating 7 Hails is going to help change my life & she is going to protect me.
Absolutely, look up our lady or Lourdes and our lady of Fatima and what she said
@jonycruz2430
Jony,
I would like to note that the Rosary is a remembrance of the life of Christ in a prayer format, while saying the Lord's prayer, followed by the words spoken by the Angel at the Annunciation, followed by the petition for the Mother of God to pray for us, sinners. Since we are certain that she can do that according to:
Revelation 5:8
8. And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS;
I would suggest to checkout the "mysteries of the Rosary" in order to learn what do we meditate on while saying the prayers, like:
"Our Father...followed by the "Ave Maria" or Hail Mary and then by a
request which says at the end: "Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death".
The Catechism on line is ideal to find the full context.
God bless.
The rosary is a form of prayer and specifically a meditation on the life of Christ. You go through "the mysteries of the rosary" which are events of the life of Christ in the gospels, and you meditate on them as you pray it. So maybe think of it that way if that helps.
Others have alluded to it, the Rosary is meant to be done by meditating on the mysteries so you can be a part of the Holy Family and Jesus. Do that sincerely and daily for 2 weeks and then come tell me it didn't make you more holy and devout. Any prayer can be made useless by mindlessly saying the words without any sincerety.
It's striking how Trent is able to say things like "you must believe" in transubstantiation or "you must believe" that "baptism really does save," with such little push back or request for Scriptural justification.
Once the magisterial authority of the Catholic Church is established, asking for scriptural justification each time he says something that the Church teaches seems redundant.
@@Lerian_V I seem to recall Jesus, Paul and Peter referring to Scripture to justify what they taught.
@@3DUNNJ just Google the appropriate defenses on Catholic answers website
@@3DUNNJ I remember the Pharisees also referred to the scriptures when confronting Jesus. Sounds like your following the same footsteps. 🧐
@@3DUNNJ The Catholic Church chose which books were the true inspired word of God in the first place. Paul tells us to listen to what has been written and what we hear by word of mouth. The church holds scripture and tradition. What is not biblical? Sola Scriptura.
The whole convoluted "Mary as an intercessional figure for us" argument is a nice summation of this whole discussion. The bible does give us a guide on how to pray. To the father, through the son. It's clear. Church history. Tradition. When they take you away from what the bible says, might not be good. "proper baptism" or whatever term keeps getting used, there seems to be one method of baptism in the bible, being submerged in water. Is the catholic method if baptism "proper" because church leadership deemed it so?
Overall a good interview and I learned a few things I did not know. As a protestant it is very hard to accept the catholic traditions as biblically sound, but I know thay it is not for us to judge.
Think about this. When the apotles went out and blessed whole households, did it say they were all submerged? Did they say skip the kids and babies? Also, if you think it is wrong to ask Mary to pray for you then you better never ask for prayers from anyone. Secondly, Jesus named Mary our mother while he was on the cross.
@@cjr4497 I'm not trying to be contentious or combative. I do ask people to pray for me. They are alive when I do this. I think what really seems off about Hail Mary is that it seems like a prayer, not a request for prayer. I think Catholics make the case that's not true but it definitely seems similar to a prayer to God. And, Mary is definitely dead. It feels like a stretch. I understand that comment is emotional.
The Bible doesn't tell us what the apostles did as far as baptizing the young and children, infants. But if they did, and if tradition is so important and was faithfully followed, is it not true that infant baptism was popularized much much later in the church?
Great discussion
All religions are wrong if they don't recognize Yeshua of Nazareth as God Almighty amen.
Why do Catholics Pray to Mary? where in the bible is that commanded?
Catholics don’t believe in sola scriptura. How do you not know this? Please get educated before commenting.
Read the Wedding Feast of Cana and then ask that question again!
Trent is wonderful to listen to ❤️