*Bought a 500 for an ultralight rod. It's very smooth **enjoyable.fishing** recommend casts great. One odd thing- the bale wire is a bit heavy diameter in my opinion for a reel of this size. But a great purchase.*
We germans like to have needed informations well in order and precise. So: Thank you for a nicely summarised review, without wasting a bit of my time (but for the gladly spent time commenting). ; )
I would want a bigger reel for fishing surf unless you are targeting smaller fish... the bigger reels have a larger spool, hold more line and will cast further in many instances.... Shimano has a line of surf reels you can check out as well...fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Surf_Reels.html
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors thanks for the response. Im in southern california and we fish 6-12lb/8-17lb rods for perch, corbina, croaker, halibut, hence why ill go for a 3k sized reel.
This is from the website: “Lighter than its predecessor, the Sustain now features Long Stroke Spool to provide anglers with improved casting distance. MicroModule II gearing combined with Shimano's HAGANE Gear and SilentDrive technologies offer anglers smooth reeling performance. “
You got a new subscriber here. About 4 weeks ago on the Shimano school I asked you about the Chronarch G and you told me everything I needed to know. Fished the first one two days and had another one on the way. Will be getting a third before long, love that reel lol so thanks to you and CA.
Thanks JP for the great breakdown. Great reel. But, noticed if you want to purchase an extra spool the spool on this model does not come off when drag cap is removed. My other Shimano reels allow spool removal - easy slip off / slip on....keep fishing. Am I missing something obvious here to remove the spool? Do not want to tinker with a brand new reel. Noticed a 4 point-pin (key) inside. Do I remove this to pull spool off and put another spool (and line) on? Any ideas comments appreciated.
Main differences are bearing count, body material compared to Vanford, Ridgid Support Drag and slight weight differences. The Sustain also has the MGL rotor combined with Aluminium frame. Best of both worlds between stradic and Vanford really.
@@FinFactorFishing Superior 🤣Just one more bearing and not much else. Vanford is just as good, I own both. Actually prefer the Vanford, it's lighter and looks better 😁
A great review JP! I've had Sustains over the years, and have always enjoyed them, but not a big step above the Ci4+. Would you be willing to comment on how it contrasts with the Vanford, in general and their drag systems specifically? Just wondering whether the extra $60 is for any thing but the stylish looks of the new Sustain. Just bought the Exsence 3000 - what an upgrade on that drag system!
I have an expride B 6’8” M spinning rod that i needed a reel for. I went with a 20 Twinpower fd c3000mhg. Is it going to be to heavy? Should i have gone with a Sustain fj? Thanks
The Twin Power has 10+1 bearings and a Ci4+ side plate but very similar. I've always thought personally the Twin Power in the smaller sizes for inshore fishing isn't what it was designed for. I really like the 8000 size for offshore fishing but the D versions for inshore being $430 or so I'm not sold. The offshore competes more with the Saragosa and it's a big step up. From the Sustain to the Twin Power in say a 4000 size, not sure it's worth 40% more money. Just my thoughts.
I believe the 1000 and 2500 are felt drag washers which are actually better for finesse applications. The Cross Carbon washers tend to have a sticking point sometimes but they are more durable
I was hoping they made a 1000 size again, the last 2 models didn’t have a 1000 size! I guess I will stick with my Stradic ci4 FB and the Vanford 1000, Please Shimano make a 1000 size in the Sustain again!
Ive still got a fg 1000 only fished 2 time just serviced it found it in my boxes of reels so got another 10 years + use left. My 4000 just died i fished the to its death though.
@@smoovefishing nice just got a fg 2500 today not a great deal of improvement first impression more solid drag knob on old fg this locks down better though have to fish it now. Got a fk stella 5000 last week smooth as all i can pic is spool noise but not a mechanical issue.
Just ordered the 4000 for my man but now I see that the stella fj 3000 is on sale for 525$ I want it! Lol but, was wondering if that's worth grabbing n stashing away for Father's day as well? Not necessarily a technical question lol but damn when I saw this sustain I wanted it for myself! Haha so I ordered it straight away, then surfed some more online and see the stella on sale. Was wondering how they compare tho, any thoughts anyone?:)
Didn't have the 5000 to shoot so I am not sure but I can't see why not? I didn't look at the back of the reel foot to see if it was Japan or Malaysia. They don't make reels in China that I know of. Malaysia is their own factory so it doesn't make a difference if it was Japan or Malaysia. Shimano doesn't outsource the production to anyone. It is always their factory and their employees from what I understand. Wish I could give you a more definitive answer. Sorry man!
From what I have seen in the other models it is usually 3000 and up. Not certain if the 2500 has it on this one though. Didn't get that deep into the spec but I can find out
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors MrDeRose I totally agree with you on the drags. I bought a sustain 2500 FJ, strung it up and could not believe the drag was so jerky. I'm a finesse guy so it was a DEAL breaker. I sent it back.. I've sent a 3000 twinpower back to tackle wharehouse also with the same issue. My sustain FGs have butter smooth drags. These drags are not an upgrade! I want old shimano drags back
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors the best of them all was Fa ..shimano was so myuch better before ci4 and hegane... the time when it waas p4.. rareniium was outstanding stradic fa he same had them for 7 years without any problem... but now days haha a jooke.. .2 vanfored broken after almost a year.. ulegera fc 2 months old and lineroller all ready given up..sahara fj .. hahaa crap absolute crap... and so on..
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*Bought a 500 for an ultralight rod. It's very smooth **enjoyable.fishing** recommend casts great. One odd thing- the bale wire is a bit heavy diameter in my opinion for a reel of this size. But a great purchase.*
it doesn't have a model in 500 size
Some of the best most straightforward gear reviews available in our industry. Thank you very much JP for putting these together.
We germans like to have needed informations well in order and precise. So: Thank you for a nicely summarised review, without wasting a bit of my time (but for the gladly spent time commenting). ; )
That is the goal and I'm glad you found it useful!
Awesome reels! I have a 2500FG still going strong! What’s the difference with this new sustain and a Vanford spec wise please
Body material being the main thing. Sustain is the all metal body, Vanford is a Ci4+ body. Both have the MGL Rotor.
Can I use this with a Shimano anarchy shore spin which is 6-12 kg for jigging and rock fishing?
Which would be better for fishing off the surf, vanford or this new sustain? Thank you for the informative video, subscribed.
I would want a bigger reel for fishing surf unless you are targeting smaller fish... the bigger reels have a larger spool, hold more line and will cast further in many instances.... Shimano has a line of surf reels you can check out as well...fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Surf_Reels.html
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors thanks for the response. Im in southern california and we fish 6-12lb/8-17lb rods for perch, corbina, croaker, halibut, hence why ill go for a 3k sized reel.
@@alexanderung6700 makes sense. Some people target bull reds, sharks, big black drum from the surf so I wanted to be sure!
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors wish i had those species nearby lol
Thank you for the review. Are you sure for silent drive feature? Don't find it in Shimano website.
This is from the website: “Lighter than its predecessor, the Sustain now features Long Stroke Spool to provide anglers with improved casting distance. MicroModule II gearing combined with Shimano's HAGANE Gear and SilentDrive technologies offer anglers smooth reeling performance. “
You got a new subscriber here. About 4 weeks ago on the Shimano school I asked you about the Chronarch G and you told me everything I needed to know. Fished the first one two days and had another one on the way. Will be getting a third before long, love that reel lol so thanks to you and CA.
How would you say it compares to a twin power xd? Thinking of getting a 3k in either sustain or twin power
Amazing review , explains everything clearly in layman's terms. I'm still deciding on a saragosa 5000 or sustain or a vr50 for river/lake stripers
Thanks JP for the great breakdown.
Great reel. But, noticed if you want to purchase an extra spool the spool on this model does not come off when drag cap is removed. My other Shimano reels allow spool removal - easy slip off / slip on....keep fishing. Am I missing something obvious here to remove the spool? Do not want to tinker with a brand new reel. Noticed a 4 point-pin (key) inside. Do I remove this to pull spool off and put another spool (and line) on? Any ideas comments appreciated.
There shouldn't be anything holding the spool onto the shaft. I'll look into it for you
Checked with reel service. There should be nothing holding the spool on
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors thanks … and that’s what I thought you would say. Dang spool just won’t come off. Nervous to try and use to much force!
@@markmaclean8711 if it's still in warranty contact the seller
One awesome reel ! My favorite all time ever !
Beautiful reel! How is it different from the Stradic or Vanford?
I would also like to know which is superior, this or the Vanford
@@hd_postal_gaming7313 Sustain is superior to the Vanford
Main differences are bearing count, body material compared to Vanford, Ridgid Support Drag and slight weight differences. The Sustain also has the MGL rotor combined with Aluminium frame. Best of both worlds between stradic and Vanford really.
@@FinFactorFishing Superior 🤣Just one more bearing and not much else. Vanford is just as good, I own both. Actually prefer the Vanford, it's lighter and looks better 😁
A great review JP! I've had Sustains over the years, and have always enjoyed them, but not a big step above the Ci4+. Would you be willing to comment on how it contrasts with the Vanford, in general and their drag systems specifically? Just wondering whether the extra $60 is for any thing but the stylish looks of the new Sustain. Just bought the Exsence 3000 - what an upgrade on that drag system!
the sustain with the evo knob was the best
I have an expride B 6’8” M spinning rod that i needed a reel for. I went with a 20 Twinpower fd c3000mhg. Is it going to be to heavy? Should i have gone with a Sustain fj? Thanks
The TP 3000 will be a nice match
When does the “ FU” comes out?
Excellent review thanks
So compare this to the last Gen fi, is it worth upgrading to the fj
Some good upgrades that trickled down from Stella in this reel. It’s definitely an upgrade
Stradic body with MGL rotor🤙🏻beautiful colour
Just got one awesome reels .. how is the start up on the stella fk 2500 compare ?
Lighter rotation on the Stella FK
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors thats the reply i was hoping for 🤙 thanks
Which models come with the cross carbon drag?
how do you feel about this Sustain FJ versus the Twin Power FD/XD?
The Twin Power has 10+1 bearings and a Ci4+ side plate but very similar. I've always thought personally the Twin Power in the smaller sizes for inshore fishing isn't what it was designed for. I really like the 8000 size for offshore fishing but the D versions for inshore being $430 or so I'm not sold. The offshore competes more with the Saragosa and it's a big step up. From the Sustain to the Twin Power in say a 4000 size, not sure it's worth 40% more money. Just my thoughts.
I would take the Twin Power XD over any others
I just bought the old 4000xg model 2 months ago lolll.....I guess all have to replace my old 5000 Stradic with the new 5000 Sustain 2021 😆😆
Hi.. just wanna check with you...there is no X-Ship in this reel..?? If
There is X Ship
Looking for a rod for my 3000, FJ, in-shore fishing…any suggestions..
Price range?
What is the differences between this sustain and the vanford?
Bearings, Rigid Support Drag and HGN body would be the main differences.
Hello, 2500HG use cross carbon drag, right?
I believe the 1000 and 2500 are felt drag washers which are actually better for finesse applications. The Cross Carbon washers tend to have a sticking point sometimes but they are more durable
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors In Thailand use 2500 for seabass barracuda.
Saltwater use? Will this reel withstand use in salt as good as the stradic does?
Yes, it has all of the same water repellant features as Stradic. X Protect being the main one.
I was hoping they made a 1000 size again, the last 2 models didn’t have a 1000 size! I guess I will stick with my Stradic ci4 FB and the Vanford 1000, Please Shimano make a 1000 size in the Sustain again!
Ive still got a fg 1000 only fished 2 time just serviced it found it in my boxes of reels so got another 10 years + use left. My 4000 just died i fished the to its death though.
@@jesusblessthesecommentsamen lucky dog to still have a 1000 fg!!
@@smoovefishing nice just got a fg 2500 today not a great deal of improvement first impression more solid drag knob on old fg this locks down better though have to fish it now. Got a fk stella 5000 last week smooth as all i can pic is spool noise but not a mechanical issue.
Where is it made?
Malaysia? Or Japan?
Malaysia
Just ordered the 4000 for my man but now I see that the stella fj 3000 is on sale for 525$ I want it! Lol but, was wondering if that's worth grabbing n stashing away for Father's day as well? Not necessarily a technical question lol but damn when I saw this sustain I wanted it for myself! Haha so I ordered it straight away, then surfed some more online and see the stella on sale. Was wondering how they compare tho, any thoughts anyone?:)
That new Sustain is a beauty reel, very comparable to the current (older) version of the Stella in my opinion.
Do you know the difference between the sustain 21 to the exsence 21?
Main difference is Magnesium body on the Exsence and Aluminium on the Sustain. 3 additional bearings in the Exsence as well
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors Thank you that’s awesome I appreciate your knowledge and your content!
Just two main question:
1 - C5000 got line clip ?
2 - Made in Japan or Malaysia/China ?
Didn't have the 5000 to shoot so I am not sure but I can't see why not? I didn't look at the back of the reel foot to see if it was Japan or Malaysia. They don't make reels in China that I know of. Malaysia is their own factory so it doesn't make a difference if it was Japan or Malaysia. Shimano doesn't outsource the production to anyone. It is always their factory and their employees from what I understand. Wish I could give you a more definitive answer. Sorry man!
Yes the new C5000 has a line clip (unlike the 5k 17 Sustain) and its made in Malaysia🤙
SUSTAIN FJ - TOP 👍
Price range ???
Sustain or vanford 5000?
I love both and would decide if I need the extra bearings or not. The vanford should also be a bit lighter size for size
Super.reel👍👍👍
Finally an upgrade!
Which sizes have the cross carbon drag washers?
From what I have seen in the other models it is usually 3000 and up. Not certain if the 2500 has it on this one though. Didn't get that deep into the spec but I can find out
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors Ok. Would be great to have a 2500 with carbon drag washers.
@@cword8247 I actually prefer the felt washers in my smaller reels, I find the felt has a smoother start up than cross carbon
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors MrDeRose I totally agree with you on the drags. I bought a sustain 2500 FJ, strung it up and could not believe the drag was so jerky. I'm a finesse guy so it was a DEAL breaker. I sent it back.. I've sent a 3000 twinpower back to tackle wharehouse also with the same issue. My sustain FGs have butter smooth drags. These drags are not an upgrade! I want old shimano drags back
US market complex X-R I think
Already ordered for an ark reinforcer. Now I wait.
Sustain vs the Stradic?
Gear ratio?
Different sizes have different gear ratios. What size?
I wish they would bring a 1000 in this reel
They used to. Not sure why not on this model
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You never mention the size of yours set a 3000
Just got a 5000 size it's fucking unreal
They always say that, is has more tech than the previous generation. I mean it’s true but why does that always have to be said. Lol
you sound like that's a bad thing...lol
stradic started witj Fj.. the white one with doble handle
Stradic started with just Stradic F, then Stradic FA then Stradic FB… etc etc. it’s alphabetical by generation.
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors the best of them all was Fa ..shimano was so myuch better before ci4 and hegane... the time when it waas p4.. rareniium was outstanding stradic fa he same had them for 7 years without any problem... but now days haha a jooke.. .2 vanfored broken after almost a year.. ulegera fc 2 months old and lineroller all ready given up..sahara fj .. hahaa crap absolute crap... and so on..
Gear ratio?
6.0:1 on the 2500 & C3000, 6.2:1 on the 4000 & C5000 - 35" and 40" per handle turn respectively