The old Frontera was a brilliant car if you lived in rural Wales with three kids and a dog. We bought one new in 1993, kept it for ten years and over a hundred thousand miles, it was excellent on rural lanes and capable off-road. If you lived in suburban Surrey and bought a Frontera because you thought it looked cool to drive a 4x4 then it wasn't the Frontera that was off the pace it was you!
@@Mike606SI have a Peugeot e208 - nice car. However I have to agree that Stellantis cars are getting more and more bland and are massively over-priced. Mines a company car so that doesn’t matter to me , but I wouldn’t buy one privately.
I think this reviewer is one of the best as he is not afraid to point out the negatives as well as giving praise when the product deserves it. Well done - too many other reviewers produce videos that increasingly have the feel of an advert. So far, this product to me is disappointing - it resembles a larger version the new Citroen C3.
@@toyotaprius79If they can sell the Leap Motor models they own that are just announced at £15k to £20k next year then who on earth will buy a Frontera at nearly double that?
Okay it's another Stellantis 200 mile box, but I quite like its simple, unpretentious style. Vauxhall aren't claiming some sort of heritage like Jeep and Alfa do for their versions of the Stellantis box, and they aren't flashy like Peugeot. And it's cheaper. Fair play to the Frontera
25.500 base trim (manual AC, roof in body color, no folding mirrors, no central infotainment screen, 16 inch wheels) 28500 GS trim - euro VTA included (prices in Romania right now)! Good: 1. interior space 2. big luggage compartment 3. nice design 4. pretty good autonomy 5. honest price 6. rear bench fraction 1/3 2/3 on all trim levels Bad: 1. AC charge - only 7,4 kW! for a 44 kW baterry - over 6 hours for a full charge! 2. no mention of heat pump 3. no mention of battery conditioning
I had one of the original fronteras, an excellent car, despite the comments in the motoring press. From the days when they were called 4x4s and not SUVs. The term SUV is rather odd, as generally they are neither sporty nor utilitarian!
@@andrewwaller5913 how many 20 year old modern cars do you see on the road? Cars of that era were meant to last 10-15 years max then you chuck them away and buy another,be honest how many cars do you see every day still on the road from 2002?everything is built on price,making sense yet ?
Buy a new petrol Ford Focus at £28k, and see what it's worth in 3 years time.... Of course depreciation isn't an issue if you lease rather than buy.....
Dont understand why car brands use old names that only have poor associations - is it that hard to create a new name for a completely different type of car? Renault at least had good reasons to keep the Scenic name even as it went from mpv to suv.
This Stellantis stuff is getting super boring now… just regurgitation of parts in all different models… particularly Vauxhall, just the same in different sizes
It's basically a re-badged Peugeot 2008 with a properly placed steering wheel. Too bad Stelantis made it only electric not to compete with the awkward Peugeots.
Unbelievable fumble. The car industry is so scuffed. Nobody buys Vauxhall for it's design. They're bought because they're cheaper. If they made the Frontera look like the new Toyota Land Cruiser or Suzuki Jimny, wait for it, but for less money, they wouldn't have been able to build them quickly enough. Instead, we get another bubble car. Also, I can't be the only person who thinks a white/grey headlining just looks less premium compared to a black one. Just put a black one on. Make it look more premium. How does this keep happening?
Sad day to see the Vauxhall / Opel marque die in this way. This is clearly just another piece of PSA / Stellantis restyled junk. Very boring, very unimaginative.
@@iain4 in business making a profit is rather better than making a loss - who knew?! The “shareholder” of Vauxhall when they where churning out cars that they could only sell at fleets and daily rental companies with massive discounts was General Motors. They couldn’t take anything out of- because they were subsidising!
@@rickerbyct whatever your fixed views are on profit and loss, I still think the products they now make are boring. Too much platform sharing and no imagination - but hey, we all have views right. Stellantis has already openly said it will review its brands shortly and one of them is Vauxhall - so let's wait and see.
I don’t get why you persist on comparing this with the crossland, the frontera was more along the size of grandland, are you saying that it is now far smaller than its namesake, because that really sounds like its what you’re trying to say but not quite managing it through typical journalistic polite mumbling.
250 miles from a 44 kWh battery? No chance, that is 5.7 miles per kWh (or 9 kWh per 100 km) 😂 That's crazy even for the unrealistic exaggerations of "official" range
Frickin bizarre this reviewer is comparing it to older Vauxhalls as if it has anything in common with those at all, and not mentioning it's the exact same car as the Citroen. I'm wondering if What Car will review the Citroen C3 and compare that to older Citroens, without mentioning this review?
Why would you buy this with the new Dacia Duster inbound? Should undercut the Frontera by a few thousand pounds at least. There will be a 4 x 4 option.
Just no. Another identikit Stellantis car, same battery, totally bland and boring. Massively over-priced (but no one pays anywhere near that price). They just seem to have totally run out of ideas and keep churning out boring clones now.
First the corsa is a rebadged 208 . Now this . Its as bad as the vw badge brigade. Skoda & seat suvs that look the same . Berlingos with god knows how many different badges on .
Is something going to be done about the catastrophic wet-belt petrol engines? Ford and PSA/Stellantis - both bargepole jobs. Everybody now: "d-i-e-s-e-l that's the one for me" (but oops, sorry, Diesel ist verboten).
The old Frontera was a brilliant car if you lived in rural Wales. We bought one new in 1993, kept it for ten years and over a hundred thousand miles, it was excellent on rural lanes and capable off-road. If you lived in a semi in Surrey I can image you'd be unhappy with it.
Fancy spending millions designing a new car, only to make the rear seats un settable for actual adults,and not designing a place to store the parcel shelf.😊
I dunno maybe it's because that's HOW IT IS DESIGNED? if you look at it's direct competitors (the small family car class, the VW Polo/SEAT Ibiza/Skoda Fabia as examples) and it's Stellantis Group siblings (the 208/2008, C3/C3 Aircross, and the Corsa as examples) they're DESIGNED to have small kids in the back the VAST majority of the time, as for the matter of the parcel shelf, the only real times it would be taken out would be for things such as tip runs
@@thevalidsimmer Polo/Fabia/Ibiza are small hatchbacks and still have more comfortable rear seats. The Frontera is supposed to be a small SUV Crossover. For small VAG crossovers built on the Polo/Fabia platform you are looking at T.Cross/Kamiq.
@@thevalidsimmer maybe save your capitals for shouting when you have a valid point. It's a C segment car, way bigger than a polo or corsa that you name check, it has massive leg and head room, but the seat base angle is just silly, who at 6 ft or over (and you will fit in it easily) wants their knees touching there earlobes.
Yes, but it is Peugeot that designs the basis of all bodies from Stellantis, and Peugeot has never in all its time managed to make a single good rear seat, they are completely incompetent for this task. Opel, on the other hand, was the master of comfortable rear seats but has been banned from making them, as Stellantis believes that Opel's design is too expensive and costs too much.
It’s a narrow hatch with some black plastic bumpers. Appalling attempt to milk some gullible souls out of their money. Probably the worst Stellantis car launched in the last 2 years and of course the press can’t say so as they wont be invited back.
Because it isn't... Anyone who thinks so... hasn't kept up with what's happened in the last 20 years. Fronter a is now a much-loved classic and considered an absolutely fantastic all-terrain vehicle, highly appreciated by those who own one. Anyone who believes otherwise... is living on old... memories.
The old Frontera was a brilliant car if you lived in rural Wales with three kids and a dog. We bought one new in 1993, kept it for ten years and over a hundred thousand miles, it was excellent on rural lanes and capable off-road. If you lived in suburban Surrey and bought a Frontera because you thought it looked cool to drive a 4x4 then it wasn't the Frontera that was off the pace it was you!
"The old Frontera was a rebadged Isuzu and now the new Frontera is a rebadged Citroen!"😂
More like a rebadged Jeep
Rebadged C3 Aircross. With Stellantis, each brand is slowly losing it's identity.
but peugeot
While Stellantis executives pat themselves on the back with excessively rich bonuses
Not Peugeot
@@Mike606SI have a Peugeot e208 - nice car. However I have to agree that Stellantis cars are getting more and more bland and are massively over-priced. Mines a company car so that doesn’t matter to me , but I wouldn’t buy one privately.
why electric only , sales are slumping as people know it’s a scam.
I think this reviewer is one of the best as he is not afraid to point out the negatives as well as giving praise when the product deserves it. Well done - too many other reviewers produce videos that increasingly have the feel of an advert.
So far, this product to me is disappointing - it resembles a larger version the new Citroen C3.
I had the same disappointment as soon as I realised it was a low cost option, I had the opposite sensation.
For a low cost it looks pretty nice!
All Stellantis cars are the same. It's getting very boring and bland.
They're going to kill off Citroën and Opel/Vauxhall at this rate
@@toyotaprius79they won’t
@@toyotaprius79If they can sell the Leap Motor models they own that are just announced at £15k to £20k next year then who on earth will buy a Frontera at nearly double that?
Eww.
And the build quality and quality of materials is generally terrible.
I was seriously thinking of buying the new Dacia Duster but this car is giving me second thoughts. I actually like the look of it.
Okay it's another Stellantis 200 mile box, but I quite like its simple, unpretentious style. Vauxhall aren't claiming some sort of heritage like Jeep and Alfa do for their versions of the Stellantis box, and they aren't flashy like Peugeot. And it's cheaper. Fair play to the Frontera
The Original May have been of the Pace, but they use to be everywhere back in the day
It inspired the Fortuner we see today
If you bought the old Frontera for the right reasons they were great, perhaps this reviewer has never spent a winter in Powys.
25.500 base trim (manual AC, roof in body color, no folding mirrors, no central infotainment screen, 16 inch wheels) 28500 GS trim - euro VTA included (prices in Romania right now)!
Good:
1. interior space
2. big luggage compartment
3. nice design
4. pretty good autonomy
5. honest price
6. rear bench fraction 1/3 2/3 on all trim levels
Bad:
1. AC charge - only 7,4 kW! for a 44 kW baterry - over 6 hours for a full charge!
2. no mention of heat pump
3. no mention of battery conditioning
My dad worked for ibc Luton and made many fronteras from the first ones to the last and to see it electric and look the way it dose really hurts him
Physical climate controls ❤
I had one of the original fronteras, an excellent car, despite the comments in the motoring press. From the days when they were called 4x4s and not SUVs. The term SUV is rather odd, as generally they are neither sporty nor utilitarian!
After 22 years and she’s back 👍💪😉
Garbage cars.
Opinions vary.
@@alancobbin How many old ones do you see on the road? I wonder why 🙄
@@andrewwaller5913 how many 20 year old modern cars do you see on the road? Cars of that era were meant to last 10-15 years max then you chuck them away and buy another,be honest how many cars do you see every day still on the road from 2002?everything is built on price,making sense yet ?
What do you think these will be worth in 3 years time? £10k?
It better. A 5+2 seater EV with over 160km range is fresh to see
Buy a new petrol Ford Focus at £28k, and see what it's worth in 3 years time.... Of course depreciation isn't an issue if you lease rather than buy.....
@@Brian-om2hh Well I've just bought a PHEV for cash, but I did get £10K off the list price...
£15k in one year more like as for 3 years who knows. They will be so desperately out of date by then it’s a lottery.
@@toyotaprius795+2? Are you watching another video?
4wd and looks good, this will be a success for Vauxhall.
Will the Cavelier also make a come back 😅
😂
I have no doubt it will return as an electric SUV.
If they get the pricing right, the legacy name may help.
Certain model names should never be revived. The Frontera was an awful awful car.
@@surreyguysurrey4898 True of many more expensive cars as well. People forget the problems, over time. That's the psychology of legacy.
i’m glad. let’s hope it’s better then the old one.
I owned the old one for ten years and it was great, but then I live in Powys.
If this sits above the mokka and below the new bigger grandland, it doesn’t look big enough for most families in terms of boot space and shoulder room
A good opputunity for some weight loss then👍
Remember when we were supposed to get the Citroën Oli, but we ended up with this rebadged Indian market crossover? 😑
It’s ecosport all over again
We didn't get oli, but oli's design inspired future citroen models
The petrol C3 has a lower floor than the electric, I’m guessing the petrol Frontera will be the same
Dont understand why car brands use old names that only have poor associations - is it that hard to create a new name for a completely different type of car? Renault at least had good reasons to keep the Scenic name even as it went from mpv to suv.
Why is the vizor lauded as a design master stroke. Its a tacky looking bit of plastic because the bonnet doesnt meet the bumper.
Please Stelantis close some brands. It's horrible view the same car x 3 or 4 times 😔
Will break down all the time shoddy build quality stick with japanese or Korean 🚗 cars
?
Kia have a horrendous reputation for reliability, am not a vauxhall fan, but fair is fair
I do wish Vauxhall would make a decent 7-seat SUV to compete with Audi, Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Land Rover, etc.
Did you say "new"? Is this the "new" according to Stellantis?
Clones.
Poor Alfa "Milano-Junior".
The Old Frontera was a great car, I owned one, did you.
This Stellantis stuff is getting super boring now… just regurgitation of parts in all different models… particularly Vauxhall, just the same in different sizes
I am a fan of Opel, but i would have to agree on this. And only electric all the way, will probably be their downfall.
It's basically a re-badged Peugeot 2008 with a properly placed steering wheel.
Too bad Stelantis made it only electric not to compete with the awkward Peugeots.
Never had a problem with the steering wheel on the newer Peugeots.
Great for current owners, all these price drops
If at least they rebadged a Citroen C5 Aircross then it should resemble a Frontera.
Unbelievable fumble. The car industry is so scuffed. Nobody buys Vauxhall for it's design. They're bought because they're cheaper. If they made the Frontera look like the new Toyota Land Cruiser or Suzuki Jimny, wait for it, but for less money, they wouldn't have been able to build them quickly enough. Instead, we get another bubble car. Also, I can't be the only person who thinks a white/grey headlining just looks less premium compared to a black one. Just put a black one on. Make it look more premium. How does this keep happening?
Thank goodness, another suv
I wonder if somebody will drive one of these to the top of Snowdon and abandon it ?
I live in Powys and drive over a mountain every day, the old Frontera was really good for that.
the mark one frontera wasnt a rebadge..
Very short range for one of the latest EVs
Sad day to see the Vauxhall / Opel marque die in this way. This is clearly just another piece of PSA / Stellantis restyled junk. Very boring, very unimaginative.
It’s now profitable for the first time in 30 years. Hardly dying then.
@@rickerbyct just because it's profitable doesn't mean anything. It means the shareholders are taking less from the business.
@@iain4 in business making a profit is rather better than making a loss - who knew?! The “shareholder” of Vauxhall when they where churning out cars that they could only sell at fleets and daily rental companies with massive discounts was General Motors. They couldn’t take anything out of- because they were subsidising!
@@rickerbyct whatever your fixed views are on profit and loss, I still think the products they now make are boring. Too much platform sharing and no imagination - but hey, we all have views right. Stellantis has already openly said it will review its brands shortly and one of them is Vauxhall - so let's wait and see.
Anyone remember the Zaphira or Mariva?
Zafira or Meriva
That's the new Citroen C3 Aircros with different badge and slightly different interior
I don’t get why you persist on comparing this with the crossland, the frontera was more along the size of grandland, are you saying that it is now far smaller than its namesake, because that really sounds like its what you’re trying to say but not quite managing it through typical journalistic polite mumbling.
250 miles from a 44 kWh battery? No chance, that is 5.7 miles per kWh (or 9 kWh per 100 km) 😂 That's crazy even for the unrealistic exaggerations of "official" range
Be perfect in diesel
Frickin bizarre this reviewer is comparing it to older Vauxhalls as if it has anything in common with those at all, and not mentioning it's the exact same car as the Citroen. I'm wondering if What Car will review the Citroen C3 and compare that to older Citroens, without mentioning this review?
You might want to actually watch this before commenting because he does
7:02
Why would you buy this with the new Dacia Duster inbound?
Should undercut the Frontera by a few thousand pounds at least.
There will be a 4 x 4 option.
Looks like a Kia Seltos
Just no. Another identikit Stellantis car, same battery, totally bland and boring. Massively over-priced (but no one pays anywhere near that price). They just seem to have totally run out of ideas and keep churning out boring clones now.
I'd rather have the original frontera sport.
First the corsa is a rebadged 208 . Now this . Its as bad as the vw badge brigade. Skoda & seat suvs that look the same . Berlingos with god knows how many different badges on .
WRONG THE C 3 AIRCROSS WILL ALSO HAVE PETROL
Is something going to be done about the catastrophic wet-belt petrol engines? Ford and PSA/Stellantis - both bargepole jobs. Everybody now: "d-i-e-s-e-l that's the one for me" (but oops, sorry, Diesel ist verboten).
But it is not in this car, it only comes with the new hybrid engine that has a chain.
As soon as electric was mentioned I'm gone.
CUV or Crossover not SUV.
I'm old enough to remember the original frontera and that was a terrible motor 😂😂
The old Frontera was a brilliant car if you lived in rural Wales. We bought one new in 1993, kept it for ten years and over a hundred thousand miles, it was excellent on rural lanes and capable off-road. If you lived in a semi in Surrey I can image you'd be unhappy with it.
who approved this
Prefer the new C 3 Aircross this is to bland
Fancy spending millions designing a new car, only to make the rear seats un settable for actual adults,and not designing a place to store the parcel shelf.😊
I dunno maybe it's because that's HOW IT IS DESIGNED? if you look at it's direct competitors (the small family car class, the VW Polo/SEAT Ibiza/Skoda Fabia as examples) and it's Stellantis Group siblings (the 208/2008, C3/C3 Aircross, and the Corsa as examples) they're DESIGNED to have small kids in the back the VAST majority of the time, as for the matter of the parcel shelf, the only real times it would be taken out would be for things such as tip runs
@@thevalidsimmer Polo/Fabia/Ibiza are small hatchbacks and still have more comfortable rear seats. The Frontera is supposed to be a small SUV Crossover. For small VAG crossovers built on the Polo/Fabia platform you are looking at T.Cross/Kamiq.
@@thevalidsimmer maybe save your capitals for shouting when you have a valid point.
It's a C segment car, way bigger than a polo or corsa that you name check, it has massive leg and head room, but the seat base angle is just silly, who at 6 ft or over (and you will fit in it easily) wants their knees touching there earlobes.
Yes, but it is Peugeot that designs the basis of all bodies from Stellantis, and Peugeot has never in all its time managed to make a single good rear seat, they are completely incompetent for this task.
Opel, on the other hand, was the master of comfortable rear seats but has been banned from making them, as Stellantis believes that Opel's design is too expensive and costs too much.
Another EV with an uncomfortable rear seat for adults over 5ft 6. How did they get this so wrong? Perhaps better on the non EV versions
Not sure using the same name is wise. The previous Frontera was an absolute disaster.
The old one was an outdated Isuzu cast-off.....
Not everybody lives in a semi in Surrey, if you lived on a mountain in Mid Wales the old Frontera was brilliant.
Just what the world needs, yet another bland SUV/crossover thingy .
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c3 rebadged
Talking trash about original Frontera = unlike
bit likke kia sol
Oh good, another pointless electric SUV that no one wants to buy 🙄
There’s a petrol one
Another awful SUV. Get them off our narrow UK roads.
It's not a real SUV. Just a tiny mini with same width as the old Corsa. (179 cm)
It’s a narrow hatch with some black plastic bumpers. Appalling attempt to milk some gullible souls out of their money. Probably the worst Stellantis car launched in the last 2 years and of course the press can’t say so as they wont be invited back.
It isn’t actually very big, it’s Astra sized.
I live in Mid Wales, we need tough vehicles on our single track lanes, it's people who use them for the school run in suburbia that is the problem.
@welshskies i absolutely agree, except this isn't a tough vehicle for real country life.
Aha...a poor man's 2008
A Citroen suv with different lights and badges.... pathetic
Are we all so poor now these stallantis trash cars is all we can afford now?
Why bring back a name that’s so ridiculed?
Because it isn't...
Anyone who thinks so... hasn't kept up with what's happened in the last 20 years.
Fronter a is now a much-loved classic and considered an absolutely fantastic all-terrain vehicle, highly appreciated by those who own one.
Anyone who believes otherwise... is living on old... memories.
Not a frontera get a new name
What a load of old crap.
Nah...
Drop a 3ltr diesel in it for towing and I might be interested. 🥱