There are so many mint retro guns in the market. New high powers, New a2 rifles from psa, along with their new 250 dollar 37mm launcher, cz75 retro, beretta 80x, mp5 clones, now this
Nah, I'm not part of the Armed Force. But Kostrad (basically QRF units) and the territorial command units for big urban areas usually get the SS-2 rifle. Its an indigenous design, it looks kinda like an M-16A2 but with FNC-style folding stock and is internally more similar to Daewoo K-2 rifle.
@@sargera1Let the Americans have the V5. Better there than here busting the eardrums of some poor reservists. I still don’t understand why the Indonesian MoD chose to give the new reserve forces such a short and ****ING LOUD carbine.
@@LafayetteCCurtis reason: the active service got AK-10X(X denote serial model) from Russia, latest seen with Brimob and TNI Raider in Papua. Reservist got hand me down V5 that way too loud for mountainous low intensity firefight there.
pindad also make ps 1 /pistol serbu satu which litteraly means assault pistol one( i'm indonesian and a gun advocate+ i know a lot about guns at only 14)
An Indonesian & been watching your videos for more than 10 years. This is a very exciting moment for me and other Indonesian military enthusiasts. Pindad got into shootshow & being reviewed by Ian. Can't wait for other Indonesian related content.
Specifically for the fnc >Uncommon rifle here in the states >no availible surplus parts kits or similar to pull from >not a gigantic manufacturer >being imported >not a production firearm for any current contracts >the guns that are on the market go for 6k Yeah, they are going to sell a lot even if they are 2000-2500 Bm59's might be less because there is competition in the form of JRA, however they build off of parts kits for a lot of their rifles, so that price may creep up as the parts run dry We'll see, I'd definitly grab a fnc for 2000
As an Indonesian American I am beyond excited. Years of begging Pindad to import semi autos to the US civilian market in there instagram comment section finally paid off 😅
Why is this getting suck little coverage? This is massive news! A legitimate military factory manufactured, license-made FNC coming into the USA? Absolute insanity!
Dang, out of all the companies, I didn't expect Pindad to get the licensing from Berretta. Knowing how retros like this are reaaallly rare in US, I think this'd attract a lotta buyers.
@@raditya5663Oddly enough the Swedes only gained partial license to manufacture it whilst PT Pindad or the equivalent of LLC in the US gained full license
Very cool! I'd love a bm59 and fnc. If they have a plain muzzle version of the bm59 with 10 round mags, I can even get one behind the iron curtain of newyork state.
@@rackadyra Yeah. Remembering that Indonesian FNC (SS1) doesn't have same quality with Belgian even it is fully licensed. I hope they improved their FNC quality for this import version.
@@willstark4614Indonesian military had won various military shooting competition, even when against other modern militaries using SS-1 (and now SS-2). HOW? We change the barrels to high grade import one. Just hope you get better barrels.
One can hope (or cope) that we will see Korea do something similar with reviving K2 and K1A exports to commercial market. The chances are slim but it doesn’t hurt to dream a bit.
The chances of that may be bigger than you think. Korea's starting to emerge globally after their swift response during Ukraine's start, and their gears have been high quality but affordable for quite some time (there's a reason one of the Taliban 'uniforms' is old Korean woodland BDU)
I will absolutely buy the PM-12 clone. Don't understand why Beretta never imported these. I'd rather have this than a Cx4 or a pmx. Also glad to see an importer of BM59 mags! What's kept me away from that gun is the worry that surplus mags will dry up. Go Indonesian imports!!!
New produced BM-59's in the US will be great!! The real ones are great and you can still find them occasionally, but hopfully these will bring the cost down for some folks who want a high quality reproduction instead :)
Wow, as an Indonesian gun buff that is one surprising but welcomed turn of event 😅 Let's see how this civilian version of our service rifles actually perform!
Pindad should manufacture FNC seriously if they plan to export it into US market. IIRC Pindad's SS1 felt so much rougher compared to original Belgian silky smooth FNC.
SS-1 being poor quality is just because indonesian way of military government procurement in soeharto era (fancy way to said: corruption). for international export, i believe PINDAD will use best material available since heir reputation is on stake.
Pindad also the sole licence holder for the last Madsen's machine gun Madsen Saetter.. But probably too far a stretch for a semiautomatic version of that MG to enter the civilian market..
Probably you would, pindad show cased their SBA-2 designed exclusively for Indonesian military combat diver... Maybevit will be offered to the civilian market after its underwater firing capability scapped.. Since SBA-2 was used SS2-V5 as its base.. Well, thats still is SS-2 from technically pov..
I never thought id get another chance at a bm-59. Hopefully they will get magazines in as well, that and a healthy aftermarket option would be awesome too
I'm really looking forward to seeing BM59 and hopefully replacement parts rebuild kits 59 was a better rifle than the 14 and were built on Garand tooling way before the M 14 was sorted out. Some converting kits were sold to build your own from the Garand finally good news for shooters of classic firearms.
I am proud as a resident who lives next to the Pindad Factory complex that production has reached foreign countries, especially the US as the centre of the arms market 💪.
quite exciting that indonesian made weapons finally gonna go to US market, but as a "regular user" of those firearms (esp the SS1/FNC copy), i hope they already fixed the broken firing pin & bolt problems, as they are notorious here for breaking & jammed even in normal conditions
Those pistol versions of the original rifles, are relatively easy to import into the US, without the changes/requirements for US made parts to satisfy ATF requirements. They can simply remove the stock and directly import all that's left as a pistol. I bought a Sig 556 pistol that same way. It's the rifle minus the stock, with all the remaining original parts. Huge loophole and glad that manufacturers are exploiting this.
in case you guys don't know, this isn't some knockoff made by small private company, Pindad is a state owned manufacturer of defense products, one of Indonesian Government's primary supplier of defense products too, so yeah this is a big deal within Indo millitary enthusiast communities
I won't hold my breath. The Shot Show, "later this year", availability promise doesn't seem to hold up with some companies. PSA was supposed to give us the STG 44 repro for about 2k. Now that's supposedly not happening. Apparently a guy and his son make them in their shop now as identical reproductions but they cost 4-6k or something like that.
This is going to be so cool. I can't find a decently priced Garand anywhere, but a new clone of the BM-59 is essentially the same thing with a better magazine. I'll be saving nickels to get one.
Fun fact: those two letters are actually acronym to signify the weapon's type SS: _Senapan Serbu_ (the literal translation of "assault rifle") SP: _Senapan Panjang_ (translates to "long rifle") PM: _Pistol Miniatur_ (translate to miniature pistol)
In Ian's table and range video on the FN FNC, he says that FNCs came just right before the assault weapons ban so there wasnt much that were imported let alone transferrable
This was my idea. I fought like hell to get them to do this after touring their factory in Bandung, but at the time, 2019, they refused to do it. I drafted the first white paper for them on importing their products to the US.
Dude, that is exciting. I've always wanted an FNC. And a BN-59/M-14. I wonder if they will be true to the original design, or sort of tacticool them up, like adding M-lok/pic rail handguards, a flat top pic rail for adding optics, perhaps even different gas setting, the ability to mount a suppressor, etc.(assuming the FNC does already have some of those things.)
There should be two options on guns like this, 99% old school adding at most an optics rail, without removing irons. Then one fully Mlok'd out. They have a 2 position gas block and I imagine the barrels would be threaded but who knows what size and pitch.
Back when the BRN-180 was released i had the idea Brownells should tinker with making an FNC upper to fit on an AR lower the same way. But I’ll take this too!
Hey Ian idk if you ever did a video, if you did I am unable to find it, about the Brazilian army IA-2 assault rifle. It’s sort in the FN FAL family tree! You should definitely make a video on it! Like a whole series since the first FN FAL rifles! Much love from a Brazilian fan!!
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Glad to see companies taking the time and resources to actually bring more products into the US market, especially retro stuff
Not only that, it's legitimate retro from the source
There are so many mint retro guns in the market. New high powers, New a2 rifles from psa, along with their new 250 dollar 37mm launcher, cz75 retro, beretta 80x, mp5 clones, now this
It's not even retro for our Army, some of the territorial command units still use those bad boys 😂
@@gremlinwithgun7527 what did your regulars get to replace them?
Nah, I'm not part of the Armed Force. But Kostrad (basically QRF units) and the territorial command units for big urban areas usually get the SS-2 rifle. Its an indigenous design, it looks kinda like an M-16A2 but with FNC-style folding stock and is internally more similar to Daewoo K-2 rifle.
Ian has unlocked “kid in a candy store” mode
Got your point even if I was more thinking Christmas wish list mode 😂
Now, if they only made an FN49 or FAMAS clone...
Idioot.
@@SidneyBroadshead Hopefully Soon👍✊
Pindad has the most plain booth at shotshow but the coolest 3 guns that i want this year. Brings back memories of the norinco days.
It's kinda like a first-timer entering the market with plain ads but interesting products.
@@alfianfahmi5430 they need the pistols and the SS V5 there(semi only)
@@sargera1Let the Americans have the V5. Better there than here busting the eardrums of some poor reservists. I still don’t understand why the Indonesian MoD chose to give the new reserve forces such a short and ****ING LOUD carbine.
@@LafayetteCCurtis reason: the active service got AK-10X(X denote serial model) from Russia, latest seen with Brimob and TNI Raider in Papua.
Reservist got hand me down V5 that way too loud for mountainous low intensity firefight there.
pindad also make ps 1 /pistol serbu satu which litteraly means assault pistol one( i'm indonesian and a gun advocate+ i know a lot about guns at only 14)
An Indonesian & been watching your videos for more than 10 years.
This is a very exciting moment for me and other Indonesian military enthusiasts.
Pindad got into shootshow & being reviewed by Ian.
Can't wait for other Indonesian related content.
As a Sarawakian Malaysian, I feel very jealous for you guys.
Glad that pindad participates in the exhibition
Glad that pindad participates in the exhibition
@@seanchristian572bro,now u go to jpn and request change IC to KTP😂😂.. nyah kau dari malaysia
Tahniah Indonesia 🎉
I get the feeling the FNC & BM-59 will be north of $2k.
Specifically for the fnc
>Uncommon rifle here in the states
>no availible surplus parts kits or similar to pull from
>not a gigantic manufacturer
>being imported
>not a production firearm for any current contracts
>the guns that are on the market go for 6k
Yeah, they are going to sell a lot even if they are 2000-2500
Bm59's might be less because there is competition in the form of JRA, however they build off of parts kits for a lot of their rifles, so that price may creep up as the parts run dry
We'll see, I'd definitly grab a fnc for 2000
At least you can get a stock for the FNC through an FAL, so... a problem less? 😅
@@DavidSmith-yu2ykpindad sold the stock seprately
This will put my marriage on the rocks lol
FNC should be about 2,2k
I'm actually kinda stoked about the Beretta M12-S clone.
Its not a clone
same
@@wonkagaming8750Doesn’t the actual PM-12S fire from an open bolt?
Yes, it think it’s more exciting than that first one that seems familiar. Maybe from a TV show or something…
@@wonkagaming8750why is it not
The BM59 is what I'd be excited about
As an Indonesian American I am beyond excited. Years of begging Pindad to import semi autos to the US civilian market in there instagram comment section finally paid off 😅
Apakah benar bang?
Thank you for doing all that work@@clarencegarside3294
Thank you. I'm a fan of the FN FNC, can't wait!
🫡 I salute you
Keknya tadi nulis Indonesian doang deh, yang bener yang mana dah, bang?
This is certified "ADA INDONESIA COY" moment and oh how proud i am seeing all these in the US. Especially the SS1-C or the FNC clone
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Indonesia mention RAHHHHHHHHH🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Garuda Pancasila
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Why is this getting suck little coverage? This is massive news! A legitimate military factory manufactured, license-made FNC coming into the USA? Absolute insanity!
I know right????
who would need a gun like that???😂
@@savage22bolt32need? no, want? absolutely
FNC has been very popular and the demand is very high, yet obtaining one is pretty much impossible
@@savage22bolt32 def not a underage child like you, go back on your fortnite child
@@savage22bolt32Me. Now. Gimme gimme!
Dang, out of all the companies, I didn't expect Pindad to get the licensing from Berretta. Knowing how retros like this are reaaallly rare in US, I think this'd attract a lotta buyers.
1960s and 70s Indonesia govt have many contract with Beretta. Maybe some european company that open iption to Indonesia
@@raditya5663Oddly enough the Swedes only gained partial license to manufacture it whilst PT Pindad or the equivalent of LLC in the US gained full license
I am unbelievably hyped for this. The FNC is my ride or die favorite gun
Same. Ever since al pacino rocked one in heat
I wonder if it will be as accurate as the belgian one.
@@TroyFulconI think it would be nearly as good as the original because we had produced it for years. Furthermore the barrels were imported barrels.
Absolutely same.
I really want one and I was disappointed that FN doesn't sell them anymore
Already have $1000 saved up for the FNC, so hopefully, by the time we can start buying them, I'll have the rest of it.
The "BM59" is the first Official gun used by the Indonesian Army, it's called "SP-1"
Very cool! I'd love a bm59 and fnc. If they have a plain muzzle version of the bm59 with 10 round mags, I can even get one behind the iron curtain of newyork state.
Finally, Gun Jesus blessed my country's firearms.
Finally…!! But I was expecting more criticism from his opinion about all the weapons
@@rackadyra Yeah. Remembering that Indonesian FNC (SS1) doesn't have same quality with Belgian even it is fully licensed. I hope they improved their FNC quality for this import version.
They won’t have. It looks like shit from here. They’re known for qc issues
@@willstark4614well you probably will get better barrels, therefore better accuracy than the military version (SS-2).
@@willstark4614Indonesian military had won various military shooting competition, even when against other modern militaries using SS-1 (and now SS-2).
HOW?
We change the barrels to high grade import one.
Just hope you get better barrels.
The sales guy for Pindad barely speaks English and is killing it at Shotshow. Heck yeah. Some cool stuff that I hope happens and for a good price.
I bet something happened to the actual sales guy then they just randomly picked a random gunsmith in their team to fill-in 😂
I am SERIOUSLY looking forward to the FNC coming in!!
One can hope (or cope) that we will see Korea do something similar with reviving K2 and K1A exports to commercial market. The chances are slim but it doesn’t hurt to dream a bit.
The chances of that may be bigger than you think. Korea's starting to emerge globally after their swift response during Ukraine's start, and their gears have been high quality but affordable for quite some time (there's a reason one of the Taliban 'uniforms' is old Korean woodland BDU)
It's been years since SHOT Show has had interesting stuff, but this is the first thing I've actually gotten excited about in even longer!
Now I need to save for the FNC and BM59 as well as PSA STG
I will absolutely buy the PM-12 clone. Don't understand why Beretta never imported these. I'd rather have this than a Cx4 or a pmx. Also glad to see an importer of BM59 mags! What's kept me away from that gun is the worry that surplus mags will dry up. Go Indonesian imports!!!
New produced BM-59's in the US will be great!! The real ones are great and you can still find them occasionally, but hopfully these will bring the cost down for some folks who want a high quality reproduction instead :)
Wow, as an Indonesian gun buff that is one surprising but welcomed turn of event 😅 Let's see how this civilian version of our service rifles actually perform!
unreal!!! love it. been wanting a fnc but they have been ~$5k for semi-auto versions.
I love his fashion sence 😉
Awesome! hopefully these will be retailed at a reasonable price
Finally time for a Pacino Heat cosplay
Pindad should manufacture FNC seriously if they plan to export it into US market.
IIRC Pindad's SS1 felt so much rougher compared to original Belgian silky smooth FNC.
SS-1 is downright bad and pretty famous for their stoppages after prolonged firing
SS-1 being poor quality is just because indonesian way of military government procurement in soeharto era (fancy way to said: corruption). for international export, i believe PINDAD will use best material available since heir reputation is on stake.
@@ebehdzikraa3855yep, hopefully that's what pindad's big wigs were thinking...
Yeah but does FN sells the FNC in the US? Nope.
Pindad also the sole licence holder for the last Madsen's machine gun Madsen Saetter.. But probably too far a stretch for a semiautomatic version of that MG to enter the civilian market..
Glad to see our local product was going onboard.
Sweet! The BM59 looks 🔥
Sign me up for the BM-59. Hopefully it comes in near the same or cheaper than the M1A.
Knowing my luck It’ll probably be twice the price of an M1A.
I'm excited about that BM59
The BM-59 clone looks sick!
Not a clone, its the OG tooling from barreta
I love seeing ASEAN brands releasing their products in the US market. First it's Vinfast with their cars and now it's Pindad with their guns
3 of my favorite full auto!
Pindad also develope 2nd gen of FNC named SS2, very exciting to see the semi auto version.
Probably you would, pindad show cased their SBA-2 designed exclusively for Indonesian military combat diver...
Maybevit will be offered to the civilian market after its underwater firing capability scapped..
Since SBA-2 was used SS2-V5 as its base..
Well, thats still is SS-2 from technically pov..
I never thought id get another chance at a bm-59. Hopefully they will get magazines in as well, that and a healthy aftermarket option would be awesome too
I'm really looking forward to seeing BM59 and hopefully replacement parts rebuild kits 59 was a better rifle than the 14 and were built on Garand tooling way before the M 14 was sorted out. Some converting kits were sold to build your own from the Garand finally good news for shooters of classic firearms.
The Beretta is THE sexiest smg ever made imo 😍
Love the FNC aswell although I preferred shooting the G3 in the military.
This might be the most interesting booth at SHOT besides PSA!
PSA fuckin blew me away this year… like holy crap are those guys killing it
I am proud as a resident who lives next to the Pindad Factory complex that production has reached foreign countries, especially the US as the centre of the arms market 💪.
All 3 are going to make Pindad a common name in the 2A community. PM-12 got me droolin
FNC sears to become very pricey soon. More FNC sears on the registry than FNCs were actually ever imported.
Thank you for going to the booths that no one ever shows. These sre what i actually care about. Super stoked
I’ve wanted a pm-12 since I saw a toy of one in a dollar store in 98
*NEED*
Very good weapon for the Nordic climate we also tried the m16 a2 but it did not work at all in arctic environments in Sweden it is called "AK5"
quite exciting that indonesian made weapons finally gonna go to US market, but as a "regular user" of those firearms (esp the SS1/FNC copy), i hope they already fixed the broken firing pin & bolt problems, as they are notorious here for breaking & jammed even in normal conditions
Those pistol versions of the original rifles, are relatively easy to import into the US, without the changes/requirements for US made parts to satisfy ATF requirements. They can simply remove the stock and directly import all that's left as a pistol. I bought a Sig 556 pistol that same way. It's the rifle minus the stock, with all the remaining original parts. Huge loophole and glad that manufacturers are exploiting this.
Until the Atf does something about it.
I’m really excited for that bm-59
PM-1 uppers would be fantastic. Hopefully they will have a lot of spares imported
Pindad has been blessed
Nice to see something other than another AR or glock clone
Glad to hear it, I really like the FNC.
BM-59 is very interesting!
I love how simple their booth is
in case you guys don't know, this isn't some knockoff made by small private company, Pindad is a state owned manufacturer of defense products, one of Indonesian Government's primary supplier of defense products too, so yeah this is a big deal within Indo millitary enthusiast communities
I've wanted a FNC for a bit so. I'm excited.
Wow, that BM59 and the beretta, those have just made my top picks for stuff to get
I'm really hoping these get to Europe, because I wanted one for a very long while
It's the owners of tranferrable FNC machineguns that are really jumping for joy right now.
Huh…didn’t know we export guns. That’s cool that Pindad can reach the US market.
I won't hold my breath. The Shot Show, "later this year", availability promise doesn't seem to hold up with some companies.
PSA was supposed to give us the STG 44 repro for about 2k. Now that's supposedly not happening.
Apparently a guy and his son make them in their shop now as identical reproductions but they cost 4-6k or something like that.
That BM-59 is really cool.😮
Amfibi tanks, cool rifle, ship, light tank and a sidearms. As Indonesian im so proud.
Thank you for reviewing my country👍👍
I saw a video on this earlier today and I am looking forward to it. Those are going to be big hits when they come in
It is awesome that they are able to get some more value out of those old licensing agreements. And it is great for us here in the US as well.
This is going to be so cool. I can't find a decently priced Garand anywhere, but a new clone of the BM-59 is essentially the same thing with a better magazine. I'll be saving nickels to get one.
Fun fact: those two letters are actually acronym to signify the weapon's type
SS: _Senapan Serbu_ (the literal translation of "assault rifle")
SP: _Senapan Panjang_ (translates to "long rifle")
PM: _Pistol Miniatur_ (translate to miniature pistol)
PM= Pistol Mitraliur, as in "Mitrailleuse" - "rapid burst shot" not "miniature" - "small"
I'd be down to snag the BM59 clone depending on availability.
Not a clone .
Fnc full auto sears just went stonks
I know of someone who has been sitting on 7 of them. I wonder if they would be compatible. Knowing ATF, they will be modified as to not allow them.
@@PoormansMachineGunnice! But yeah they will. Quite sure
Always wanted an FNC hopefully they import enough into the US
Excited about the FNC. I can now completely my Heat ensemble
I am proud to know that our domestic products have reached international markets.
BM59s are so cool
Well dang, the other guy I saw touch on this didn't even mention the BM 59, what a pleb.
Never expected pindad to be showcased here
So Happy to see a national company like Pindad go abroad. Anyone can give me context why US market is very exciting for FN rifle ?
In Ian's table and range video on the FN FNC, he says that FNCs came just right before the assault weapons ban so there wasnt much that were imported let alone transferrable
🤞🏾 we get these FNC/SS1 stateside SOON.. Halloween 2024 going crazy with Pacino Heat CosPlay
This was my idea. I fought like hell to get them to do this after touring their factory in Bandung, but at the time, 2019, they refused to do it. I drafted the first white paper for them on importing their products to the US.
Glad to see PINDAD making their way there.
Indonesian proud
Jijik...biasa aja lah
Wow, hopefully Ian can do further review about all Indonesian weapons
When I first saw the movie called "Heat" I wanted one of those FN C rifles like you wouldn't believe.
Loved the FNC.
Dude, that is exciting. I've always wanted an FNC. And a BN-59/M-14. I wonder if they will be true to the original design, or sort of tacticool them up, like adding M-lok/pic rail handguards, a flat top pic rail for adding optics, perhaps even different gas setting, the ability to mount a suppressor, etc.(assuming the FNC does already have some of those things.)
There should be two options on guns like this, 99% old school adding at most an optics rail, without removing irons.
Then one fully Mlok'd out.
They have a 2 position gas block and I imagine the barrels would be threaded but who knows what size and pitch.
Back when the BRN-180 was released i had the idea Brownells should tinker with making an FNC upper to fit on an AR lower the same way. But I’ll take this too!
BM59 sounds cool
Who put Goldeneye in Big Head mode?
😂😂😂😂
Great, I'd like to buy a BM59 / SP-1. A magazine Garand in Nato.
Thanks alot Belgia
Hey Ian idk if you ever did a video, if you did I am unable to find it, about the Brazilian army IA-2 assault rifle. It’s sort in the FN FAL family tree! You should definitely make a video on it! Like a whole series since the first FN FAL rifles! Much love from a Brazilian fan!!
Keepin' dapper, Ian. Love it!
YES!!!! 2 guns I’ve always wanted to add to my collection, the FNC and PM12… so awesome.
And apparently there are more registered transferrable auto-sears for the FNC in the United States than there are actual FNC rifles.
So many best gun with new model in there but, AASAM approve Who the winner and what gun better
Wow. I might finally be able to complete my "Heat" collection with that FNC!
This is really exciting🎉🎉🎉
freakin ian holding OEM indonesian FNC , i'm proud
SS-2 still exclusive for Indonesian armed forces.