Myth: Take the Racquet Back Early Debunked!!
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- A few days late but I wanted to explain the backswing/racquet preparation concept more in depth (an area I personally struggled with early on.) Conventional wisdom that might sound innocuous can lead to bad habits at a higher level. The unit turn is so fundamental - you can do everything else right and have a discombobulated swing without this essential piece.
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You’re right coach...These exact things are what we usually forgot when we’re on play as we get under pressure,excitement etc. Tennis is really complex that every single thing should be in the right place to execute a very decent shot. I’ll subscribe.
so many coaches on youtube should watch this video as they are teaching the wrong thing,best coach on youtube,
in the 2.5 level, we teach "early preparation" because they are often late and end up swatting at the ball. As the pace gets faster and faster, the early preparation becomes less obvious, but becomes even more important for timing. Just my cents.
Nope. I disagree completely
Thank you coach Steven your coaching style makes so much sense.
On most groundstrokes, the player should time the racquet being "back" on the bounce. This is the basic and well known "bounce-hit" rhythm. Add one step to it and have the student identify and call out the need for a forehand or backhand, which can be done almost immediately after the ball leaves the opponent's racquet. So, the drill would be having the player call out the stroke needed, "forehand" (start the unit turn to the forehand and move to the ball), "bounce" (complete the unit turn with racquet back), "hit" (complete the stroke with follow through and recover). With repeated practice, this becomes a full, fluid, swing path motion, not choppy, robotic steps. The key is to translate this thought-action process from the drill to match play. I suggest to drill, then play some points and have the student continue to call out the steps ("backhand", "bounce", "hit", "recover"- "forehand", "bounce" "hit", "recover") as they play the groundstrokes of the points.
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Most useful tip i've had in a while, that and your volleying video.
I have noticed that Serena Williams had already made some adjustment in recent times with a higher take back compared to her earlier years , and what this video emphasized in regarding of correct timing and momentum of the take back and back swing is very true and helpful. Thanks.
I teach myself and I have to say you explained it perfectly, great video my friend.
great lesson about big takeback vs holding for the right timing to take the advantage of momentum ... which I am working to fix my 10 year old boy's forhand .. thank you ..
Wonderful lesson! Most people misunderstand! Great!
Sir, you chose your words well. It's better to be on time, that's timing, than to be early or late. But I hope to illustrate your idea in other words. The racquet abduction will be ideal in time when you have already visually determined the trajectory of the ball in your direction (left or right) and start turning the racquet head abduction shoulder synchronously with the movement of the incoming ball, as if opening the door for one ! Try it!
This makes perfect sense, thank you!
Totally, absolutely, 100% agreed. Besides, it might seem that all this coverage might be done in 2-3 minutes, but it just seems so. The author is granting much much more helpful insights then he declares, and he tries (lucky him, successfully) to get the message across, to the players of all kinds and levels. And that's great!!! 👍🤗
Excellent nuance points.
good job. Finally, some intelligence applied.
I think you have brought up a very important issue and you have made argument very well. Some drills or methods for practicing this would be very welcome. I don't know if you should bring up the issue of Serena as part of your argument because people who are skeptical will say if it is okay for Serena it is okay for me. Anyway thanks for the the very nuanced presentation!
The reason this technique works so well for Serena is no one can really punish her backhand, it's not like it's bad but It doesn't have to be great. I think of things like on the men's side look what playing Rafa has done for a guy like Joker or Fed. These guys are unbelievable and they still have to keep getting better and better to compete at the highest level. I think of Nadal's net game when he entered onto the tour, night and day compared to where it is now. The key to this type of swing and the success you see from the pros is a compact backswing. Similar to how a pure shooter has a smooth shot, This technique can be perfected with enough practice. Then your groundstroke swings become all about a specific timing, with that timing in mind, you can now obtain a rhythm on your groundstrokes.
good points. i think serena can muscle the ball. everyone else cant. still at times one must. there is no magic formula. u r right. it is whatever is needed for the shot. timing it right, even early or late, might be required though. perfect form does not win matches sometimes. no form points. but racket back and running is bad. we agree.
Totally agree. Loving the pinguin waddling reference.
great explanation. thanks
AGREE 100% 👍👍👏👏 with you!! Keep up the good work!! 🎾🎾🎾🎾🎾
Best video I have seen! Where do you teach? I can be your student!
TY.. San Jose, CA!
Djokovic has an early prep on his backswing but he doesn't drop the rackethead until the right time. I think delaying the forward swing might actually result in a faster swing speed because in your mind you are trying to catch up.
Good point thanq
excellent points on timing..good job
In your video of Serena she also is not in a very good leverage position for a 2 hander. A good 2 hander uses gravity to make the tip of the racket head start high then go low back to high. But none of this is forced, it's all done by a shoulder turn, the arms should be very passive in both groundies. Kinda just along for the ride, as I like to say.
@maccajoe The technique could be ALOT better. that's all I'm trying to saying. Like the foundation of a house, technique needs to be strong, then you don't have to "muscle" through the ball, even the high balls, with proper shoulder tilt and swing path you can crush these balls with ease. If you are trying to model and improve your 2hand BH, I wouldn't use Serena for a reference. You talk about rotation but in the modern game an open stance 2 hander is very important. You can't just hit neutral all day, and if you're technique breaks down, so will your open stance 2 hander.
Her style is a straight take back.... she doesn't make a big or small loop, take back is totally straight
Great video...you can see Serena searching for rhythm when she does that double back swing hitch.
Yeah, it’s also nice when most balls in the WTA stay lower and flatter. The men play with much more shape so probably different swing styles are needed.
I would like to add: quick, slow, (slow), quick is one way to teach that concept.
Please explain when is the right time to take the racket back in relationship with the ball bounce?
Unit turn and racquet prep asap... backswing depends in speed of ball/backswing/length of backswing. Watch my Swing Glue Vid as these are the basics and you need to feel the weight of the racquet in your hand. Will make follow up vid bc Fed for ex. breaks tons of rules to attack off rhythm, freeze opponent etc either way u still need to time your hand w the ball.
u got the knowledge
The problem as humans is we're all unique, so what makes sense to one will not work for another. I took lessons and clinics, but the instructions "racquet back" didn't work for me. Once I did some research on my own, I realized the upper body turns as a unit. so for me the proper instruction should have been "turn". The concept of keeping the hands together during the unit turn was huge as well.
You can do any position that you became a master at doing. You can fundamentally terrible or free of movement of your own way and be phenomenal.
You ARE young, my friend! So, 'when I was young' is NOW! :-)
Great video!
Great video
Great stuff mate!
Wow! Love your videos! Where do you teach?
Appreciate it. San Jose CA
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I noticed this with my backhand and when I Prep too early I lose power
Ronnie,
This is the modern forehand and lots of coaches are coaching this on u tube.
Really as I haven’t seen many teaching this 😩
Good informative video. 👍
you make some good points here but it is really missing the main point. Serena is using very efficiently weight transfer into the ball. Your student is not. Momentum is to transfer the weight into the shot, not to transfer momentum into the shot. I hope this makes sense.
And she has a lot of weight to transfer 😁
Being prepared slows the game down which all the top players do. You have a weird grip on your overhead. You need to be a little more continental
You're not looking closely enough at Williams technique. 4:00
She does have an early setup, but she doesn't just hold, she then waits and TIMES a further pullback, stretching the muscles further for an elastic stretch release cycle, it is not simply static, it is dynamic.
I would like to add, I would follow Williams technique before yours, even though I don't like her.
i do like you, so I'll give you some helpful advice.
I was just thinking of this earlier today, and now see your video, so good timing.
When you practice a setup, it should be good for all sorts of situations, when receiving a soft slice, hard flat serve, whatever. It is generally neutral, from there you can advance quickly for a defensive shot, have a short backswing for neutral, or more preloading for an offensive shot, but the setup is stable, comfortable and easy to transition to and from for all of those.
Go try a massive backswing precisely timed with your racquet head scratching your ass when receiving a 145mph serve. Didn't work, did it. The early setup is a setup, it is not the swing. If you practice waiting and get an unexpected fast ball or wierd bounce off debris on the court, you are totally unprepared.
OK, now I'll watch your video and see if I guessed right.
OK, now that I've seen your first little bit, let me explain why you're wrong about Williams; this is a practice, and not a practice for running shots.
If you watch a game, or a practice with different techniques and tactics being practiced, there is not the same early static setup with her running around half cocked.
That's called "cherry picking", no not really, it's actually taking something out of context, not the same thing. If you go find a video of match play, that would be cherry picking, because it would be a small minority of instances and not truly representative of her playing style.
If it were true, She would not generate massive power, and what is she known for? Oh, let me think, I just can't put my finger on it? Good looks? Femininity? Ohhh, power!
Right... because she doesn't get off a wimpy little off time shot from static position, she actually stretches her muscles and pulls through the full range of motion, utilizing things like muscle elasticity and momentum to preload and start a stretch shorten cycle. hmmm. I might just stop watching your videos now, thanks.
Oh, wait, maybe first I'll find some video of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, all of them running with their arm outstretched long before contact in an attempt to get a ball at the limit of their reach, just hold on for a few seconds...
ruclips.net/video/-tMk58ehbsc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/48yqFp4JzFo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/VUiBA7ivzCU/видео.html
There you go, took less than a minute to find an example of all three of the contenders for greatest tennis player of all time doing what you say not to do, never mind the greatest female tennis player of all time.
Be careful where you pick your scapegoats.
@pproust No, pretty sure I'm getting it.
The videographer is taking advice out of context in order to make it seem like it's bad advice, but he knows better than all the "pros"!
Most beginner players are setting up too late, so the good advice they get is to set up early. Not "TOO EARLY" but faster than when they're setting up too late, for sure.
Also, in those clips I mentioned the arm was not extended "to reach a point", it was extended looong before they ever got to the ball, then they contacted it at a comfortable distance away, not outstretched as far as they could reach or something, so once again, taking things out of context to try and miss the point?
That’s what he said in the video,😏
Macks Power you can hardly compare her technique to fed- or Nadal irrelevant of what she’s won her technique is not the best,yeah the serve is great but that’s what given her the titles and the physicality she brings. However as a coach I would not teach my students using her forehand or backhand as an example nor the attitude she brings to the court.
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Ergo mens tennis> serena williams haha
Serena can muscle the ball. her stroke style is terrible and not a good style to be copied.
most public parks players take the racket back way too late...especially beginners through intermediates..taking the racket back too early
would vastly improve their games..your lesson is for pros who don't really need lessons...i have never heard anyone complain about being
too early...but many many many complaints about being late on the ball..early is good late is bad on time is perfect...who can be perfect on
every ball?..you? me? perfect timing people have atp/wta points
i agree. i also would like to add that taking the racket back early helps with balance. cuz ur already set. as opposed when ur just focused on momentum, i tend to get offbalance on finish.
I think he stated very clear in the video. He doesn't promote taking the racket back early but he does favor preparing early with the unit turn because it still allows for smooth movement as compared to a full takeback of the racket.
Agreed.. moving and spacing w a unit turn is easier... although racquet takeback and getting the non hitting arm extended right before contact helps w balance... like an ice skater right before a big jump will extend the arms to stabilize
Early preparation and backswing should be too different things. If there's one thing I can't stand in tennis instruction it's someone talking about what the pros do, and why they in response can't do said thing. Tennis is all about simplicity, effortless power, using the body effectively, you can be 120lbs soaking wet and still crack the shit outta a tennis ball. So I don't care who you are, you can do what he is talking about, you just have to practice it, like anything else. My tennis improved drastically when I studied the 3 phases of learning. Any new skill must start out in the first phase of learning... Unless you have the will to let your game get worse possibly before it gets better, you can literally break down each piece over time and hone the skills necessary to become an all court player.
sorry buddy your explanation is 100% wrong and your are doing people who are amateurs a big disfavor by this explanation because setting up early will do them and as it does to pros much benefit. Even when you are explaining the Feder backhand you are contradicting yourself, because Federer sets up early and it's part of what makes him so good. There is a reason why Serena, Roger, Djokovic and all the elite top players set up earlier than others, but I am not going to into the mechanics of it on here. If you are an amateur or a pro and you are reading this, and want to find out who is right, go back on the court and see which system will give you better results. The one this guy is proposing or the one where is say set up as early as you can and stop thinking about setting up on time. Setting up early will give you every benefit there is, from moving right, timing right and hitting right. Another big misconception is that power comes from the loop, not it does not. It come from Rotation in the hips, end of story. Looping is designed for best possible timing and smoothness of the stroke.
I think he favors preparing early with the unit turn but he opposes taking the racquet early...backswing and early preparation are very different things
Typical ignorant Serb whom thinks he’s better than everyone else
Please, please,, please, demonstrate, and less talk.
I like your ideas but you talk too much.
Unbearable
Are you promoting the use of steroids?