PHILOSOPHY - History: Locke on Personal Identity #1
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- Part 1 of 3. What makes you the same person as the little kid growing up a number of years ago? Is the identity of a person tied to the persistence of a body or a soul or something else entirely? Can we even give any explanation at all of the persistence of a person? In this Wireless Philosophy video, Michael Della Rocca (Yale University) explores some of the puzzles and problems of personal identity that arise from the revolutionary work of the philosopher John Locke.
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Good lesson, but I feel that, compared to other videos on this channel, here the slow, hefty pace of academia takes its toll on the listener's attention and interest. Academia, or the art of spending eleven minutes and a half on the mere formulation of a problem that was abundantly clear after the first twenty seconds.
+mothman84 Indeed. This video reiterates its main idea rather perseveratively.
Yes
They get paid by the hour, cant blame them.
I find the linguistics involved interesting. I have no problem when I hear, "He is the same as..." I'm fine. But when I hear, "He is identical to..." I bristle. He's the same guy, but not identical.
i love how he ranked weight gain above having a family
He's a man, of course the stress of losing his ego/image is more powerful as women are the glue and do all the important micro tasks (×1000!) for the family where he focuses on his career and image. Women barely recognize their gains until it's obvious. Women aren't typically flexing their biceps in the mirror after having kids, too busy cleaning puke off the carpet.
@@emocean582 I believe you are both reading a little too far into what appears to be a casual statement of examples of changes. I doubt the order by which he lists examples of how he has changed over the years in any way directly correlates to the value of which he assigns to each incident of change. This man is merely attempting to summarize and educate on a philosophical problem, and you have managed to find a way to hyper-fixate on a passing example and use it, as well as some libertarian assumptions, to make character inferences regarding his personal values that have neither weight nor relevance to the issue at hand.
@@stevenhaus8263 Not reading too far, I liked the video in general, yet the comment I was responding to stuck out to me too, as a woman. I don't think my observation was wrong in the U.S. culture though...
"Why do we pursue philosophical problems, even though most have never been resolved?"
Because they have been resolved, people just disagree which resolve is better. A man's goal is to figure out which philosopher was right, to what extent, and employ their views, expanding them if need be.
I was always fascinated by this line of reasoning. This question becomes eve more complex in the modern age of potential (eventually) "perfect" human cloning, as exemplified in the film "The Sixth Day", or, as a hypothetical, say a "quantum copy", as in the film "The Prestige", where an exact copy of the protagonist is made, routinely for a "trick", but the protaganist murders them. I say that such thought experiments as clones or quantum copies or multuverse duplicates, as well as genetically identical twins, shows that genes are an important part of "persona", but what then makes the person complete is not his genes, but it is the combination of genes, experience has recorded -- however imperfectly -- as memories, and environmental -- even in utero -- factors. I think this is why a clone, no matter how perfect, is _not_ identical to the genetic donor, even if all memories were copied into the clone, because at the moment experience diverges, a new "person" is created, with new experiences, even if at first, they are identical in response to given stimuli, as they diverge further in time and experience, even that will likely change.
Great video, thanks very much for posting.
As one progresses through life and views more of the world, they gain experience thus becoming wiser. For instance, If I were to ask my younger self the question, "Would you like to take some illegal narcotics with me", my younger self probably would've said "sure, ok - sounds like fun!" - Whereas, if I were to have this question asked to my modern self, who knows/can foresee the negative consequences of doing such an action, my modern self would most definately reply, "No, thank you sir; I will absolutely not accept your narcotics!" It is with this that one may find the contrast of the younger, more naive identity and the older, wiser identity.
Very well made, and very well explained video. Keep up the good work man!
Michael Lebrun Thank you!
Hello sir, can I ask what app did you use to edit the video? Thank you
Naaaaah man I shouldn't have watched this at 4am. Who am I. This is like a think tank damn
I think of these things every single day, you doing that one time at 4am shouldn't be a toughy ;)
My 2 cents...The same particle types must be in the same arrangement. The particles can be changed with an identical particle. But, it must also be in the same arrangement which produces the same processes. Once you lose the material or the functional arrangement of them, the identity is lost. They are codependent. There is also a temporal dimension. If the new arrangement of molecules is that of a previous state, such as that of a younger version of you, then it wouldn't be you, It must fit all 4 dimensions of space to be qualified as you. So there are different versions of you at different times. None of them identical to the next. The old you isn't the new you if it's not you at this time, but the current you isn't you without the old you.
Can you please help me to answer, "why do people change or stick to their identity?" And "why do people change or choose to remain with their sense of belonging?"
very clear, thanks.
The answer is there in the Rubik's cube: it is the same cube scrambled and solved. It changed - yet it is the same cube. You changed over time, Micheal, but it is still you. Try taking a snapshot and defining yourself outside the fourth dimension of time. All else is sophistry.
Thanks for this! Btw was that Bloodborne at 4:27? haha
Would be good to get these boards posted somewhere to go over at a later period
In philosophy we don't answer a question, we respond to it.
What is it in virtue of which definition of a person at one time equals definition of the person at another time. "in virtue of" is synonym for meaning. he is assuming there should be another, universal meaning between two unequal meanings.
let X thoughts are same as that Y for specific peroid of sametime ,for that specified time can X can be Y?
what is the software program that WiPhi uses for these presentations?
Hi Christopher,
We use Videoscribe by Sparkol.
Thanks
I'd like to just step back and get a better idea of what a person is before asking am I the same person through time.
TRUTH is the answer. Truth not as "property" but PERSON who you are not
Can someone please help better understand by when he uses in "virtue" are they the same people....
Come again?
What kind of person thinks they are the same 20 years later? No one I know. I am identified as the same person, but am not the same. So the question is what becomes identity when NOTHING ever remains the same. I will offer a simplistic answer, identity is when the unique set of all values of an object are sufficiently retained in the mind of the individual identifying the object. Take the hypothetical instance of a man who loses his memory. For him, those memories are the most important values and not having those memories makes him a different person in his mind. To his friend, those memories are the most important, but his appearance is also significant (the guy without memories can't remember his appearance so it would be insignificant), which would make him more likely to say hes still the same person, but would qualify that with hes the same person as long as those memories still exist in his head somehow. Finally from a completely impersonal position of say the government, which will say he is the same person because he is mostly in the same body he had before he lost his memory. Thus something like the plates in my cupboard, are essentially identical to me, because the value of them in my mind is their utility, their unique complex of matter they are made from is irrelevant and thus they have the same identity to me.
A and B are different, but we struggle so hard to convince ourselves that they're identical.
this "problem" is just another way of expressing the problem between the one and the many.
I did a project for a history competition and linked John law Shakespeare Shakespeare to the US Constitution
The material and dialogue is great but there are not enough frames in the animation, specifically the movement of the hand and the adding of illustrations to the page. This video and I imagine this channel would benefit from an upgrade in technology and use of technology, in order to keep audiences engaged visually. Found myself trying to look away from the screen and this made it harder for the video to keep my attention.
I don’t even take philosophy I’m just trying to help someone that is😅
Biology + History
philosophers are not speaking of the self but of the word "the self". What you are really asking is what is the definition or meaning of the word "I", while you hear yourself asking: what am I or what is the same about ME. you're mistaking beings for ideas, concepts, definitions, words. you're not talking of world but of words
Salamat kol hahaha
Just to be clear for anyone studying John Locke for political philosophy, and early modern history, these works have literally nothing to do with that. In fact John Locke the political philosopher has an in built assumption of human nature, that I would say is more pessimistic than Thomas Hobbes.
You said more meaningless un necessary words than meaningful ones !
Read Ramana Maharshi, Who am i?
Get to the point. First half of the video doesn't even have anything to do with personal identity.
Ill give a hint. Look at the 4th dimension.
This comment is really the answer in a way, but one problem is from relativity perspective you are an open system
Could you stop referring to him as British? British is a geographical tern, not a nationality. He was Scottish.
nothing is understandable
Worried about the use of the word "same". It's a word use it as you will, it hardly matters. This is absolutely trivial philosophy trying to seem profound. Nothing comes from nothing and nothing comes from this.
Nothing comes this comment.
Is this guy tapping on the table while he's talking?
That's pretty annoying.
Constructive feedback this was too wordy.
Why are these questions still asked? That isn't hard to answer, someone is making money.
Worst explanation of something ever.
I’ll be awaiting fedora commenters.
John Locke is the Fedora Philosopher.
My god! You said absolutely nothing in 11 minutes. You didn't even expose the main argument, you just repeated the problem over and over again. It is unbelievable you are a professor at Yale.