Stark Varg 1st Ride Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2024
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Here is more from my first ride on the Stark Varg. Since this time I've been able to ride it again, and I'm actually quite impressed. Much more to come later.
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At age 57 and a life long rider I have lived through lots of changes in dirt bikes. I remember air cooled to water cooled,2T to 4T and last the carb to fuel injection bikes. All those have made our bikes better. My first real trail bike was a 1978 PE175 in its day was a great bike but doesn’t compare to a modern dirt bike. Don’t hate on Kyle or Stark they are trying to make our sport better.
Well said
I’ve had mine for two months and I absolutely love it for the flowy single track I do here in MA. Range has not been an issue at all for me. I typically ride 1-3 hrs. I typically run it in 55hp. I have about 25hrs on it. For what’s it worth, I own a KTM 300XC that, till now, was my favorite all time dirt bike. I rode my KTM for the first time a few days ago. I had not ridden the KTM since the Stark arrived… And no joke, I just put the KTM up for sale. The KTM is a great bike but the Stark just makes me smile and giggle while I ride it. The instant throttle response, power and torque are intoxicating. I’ve been riding for 40+ years and for me, at this point in my life, it’s about having fun and this is the most fun I’ve had on a DB.
Hi. how do you feel about not having gears? I tried Stark for a couple of hours and the problem for me was not lack of clutch but lack of gears - to ride fast in standing position I had to keep wrist twisted much more than if I would have it let's say while driving on gas bike on 5th gear, that was very uncomfortable for me. I don't think I could get used to it
Kyle, get that thing up in some mountain single track, if youre not lying to yourself , youll be blown away
It's not a 2 stroke. It's not a 4 stroke. It's a new thing.its awesome to have something else to have fun with. Don't compare.
Cant be compared, has no clutch, no gears to change, just like a auto scooter ~ My mate owns one, and says its not much fun at all, battery drain is a bore !
I would not mind Varg with street spec to zip around in the summer time.
Until battery operated bikes and the radical left kill our gas powered bikes and in 15 years we don’t even have gas bikes
Great commentary as always Kyle. Thanks for getting the Stark Varg to thoroughly test on the channel, because we are all curious. Electric is super cool, and it'll be interesting to see how new technology takes us into the future of riding single track.
Mine is coming this month. So fucking stoked. This bike definitely isn't for everyone but it is ABSOLUTELY for me!!
I got mine 2 weeks ago . Prepare to have your mind blown . I’m not going back to a gas bike in the foreseeable future . The varg is so superior it makes my 2021 450 feel like obsolete technology. Every person whose ridden mine has got off it blown away. I get the feeling Kyle will try downplay his reaction to the bike knowing that 95% of his followers are probably 40+ year old strictly trail riders who are more narrow minded
Thanks for the vid. You're riding is exactly the kind of trails I ride. If you could do a true range test on them, that would be huge. All the range tests I see are on the track.
I received mine in mid-February (also in Utah). It’s the best (most fun) bike I’ve ridden in my 60 years (actually only 52 years of riding) and thousands of hours on various bikes, including racing MX and hare & hound desert racing. When I ride, I take out three bikes: the YZ450f, YZ250x (2-stroke), and the Stark. Riding the dunes with the Stark at 35 HP is much easier than with the 250x. If I crank up the Stark to 45 HP, it climbs like the 450f. I even tried it at 70 HP at Knolls on the flats, but it was tough to keep the front end down at speeds of till about 45 mph. Surprisingly, I beat my friend’s 2024 YZ450f in a drag race when I only had it set to 45 HP.
I'm getting at least an hour of good riding in the desert between charges, easily recharge in an hour with my 6000w generator. that's when i just go out on one of the other bikes.
I was hoping to hit ;the MX track this weekend, but winter returned, but with the jumps and whoops i've found in the desert i have little doubt that it won't be a blast on the track. BTW it definitely feels the most planted and tracks the best of any other bike i've ridden in the deep sand whoops. Nothing like instant torque no matter the speed or really the HP setting - you are always in the correct gear - great bike for teaching new riders as you can set it up like a XR100 to start.
By the way, did you all see that Stark just released the racing mode feature? Keep an eye out for more of these bikes racing against ‘legacy’ models.
And Kyle, why don’t you venture out to Cherry Creek and Little Sahara more?"
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Good video. Your drone views are great.
It will be interesting to see it in enduro section with rocks and obstacles 😎
Range is the crux for these. They are fun to ride for sure speaking from experience. If you can make these last for 1.5 hrs you either are really small, riding slow smooth terrain, or are a slow rider. If you're an aggressive rider, in sand, or heavy they give you 45 minutes of fun.
265 lbs ... wow. Great video ! 🇺🇸
I like the honest review. So many reviewers must be paid or sponsored because every channel says its the best thing ever to touch dirt lol
Pushing the green new deal
You're listening to a guy that already has an anger bias. He's only looking for things to bitch about. You could tell this was coming from the day he posted his cry fest video about having to pay for something before you get it. And sure enough, here he is overly complaining about stuff. The vast majority of videos are from paying customers. The bike is incredible. Is it perfect? No. Is any bike perfect? No. Does it do everything exceptionally well? Absolutely.
@@Marleysdad808 lol ok bud
Must be really expensive for Stark to pay all of those who love the bike 🙄
Love your videos, but I'm just wondering why still no stabilized footage for the chin cam?
such a baddass bike cant wait to get one once the economy gets better
Vote Trump
The economy is actually really good in the states, one of the best in the world right now. Better than when trump was in charge. Inflation is a world problem right now (because trump and other world leaders were printing money during Covid, nothing Biden did caused it) and the U.S. has had the lowest of any country. Being a Canadian I’m jealous of your low inflation and economic position…Biden has done an amazing job (crime is down, Jon’s are up) and you need to fact check the trump talking points.
FYI, illegal immigration is higher when your economy is doing good…they come for JOBS.
@@gpaull2 lol. canadian.
@@gpaull2 the economy might be doing great, but the cost of living has skyrocketed and is pushing me to the edge of homelessness or having to move in with family groceries or minimum hundred dollars even for two bags full gas is insane. Rent is astronomical and I am being taxed to death I don’t need somebody saying that Biden is doing a great job when the economy is shit.
@@gpaull2 I think you have been mislead by mainstream news my friend
how many miles did you do? What battery% was left?
Does it being quite mess with you at all cause normally hearing the motor tells you alot 🤔
I want to see the Stark used at Erzeburg and other hard enduros to see how well they do. Let us know how well the Stark does on a long Central Idaho mountain trail ride. Anxious to know.
Good vid! They look like a good bike, but not there yet for offroad
Great F around bike
For the price of a new bike and gear and parts and tools? Braindead move wasting that much on a "F around bike"
Kyle, there is a good chance the Stark winner will use it for moto, so don't bother having the suspension revalved for off-road.
Using the Hand back brake is so much better than the foot brake. So much easier to keep your feet in the proper position. Takes a few minutes to get used to it. If you turn off regen then letting off throttle feels like a Two stroke since there is no engine braking. Electric bikes are just easier to ride. They are really nice for a Vet rider on the track.
Can you setup electric brakes or just regen? With my electric RC cars all the braking is done by the electric motor effectively applying power in reverse and they are way more effective than the nitro versions of the same car. I suppose its not worth it vs. just using regen given the bike already has range concerns, but would allow you to apply whatever level of "engine braking" you want. in RC cars we call it "drag brakes" where it applies some standard amount of brakes whenever you let off the throttle. Should note that in the RC cars the motor powers all 4 wheels, so you would still need to apply the front brake separately on the bike.
Judging by the video, looks like you ride faster then you normally do. Especially in the corners. Get back to the LHRB and try the future 😁 Is soo good for that type of riding you just showed.
I thought the same thing this is the best and most agressive riding I’ve seen him do
You can tell the bike is heavy by the way it’s reacting to those whoops👍
I would love one , but hows the weird noise it makes? I wonder if it would bother me after awhile.
Get the $50 FMF mod if you are so concerned about noise
25 sec inn. learned battery still not there yet on these. i dont wanna charge all time. compared to refill some gas. takes a min compared to charge :( even if the tank goes faster empty its so fast to refuel. but bikes prob since on a track. but adventure and ride hard in such freedom u did in the start cant sustain for long i guess. :c
Waiting 3 weeks is crappy for a rear break but waiting over a year for a KTM 2 stroke cylinder on a 2 year old bike ALSO sucks lol. One reason KTM has been irritating me lately. I get not being able to get a cylinder for a 20 year old bike but one that's 2 years old is pretty unacceptable to me. All these companies seem to be having issues as of late and its a shame with how high the cost is on everything.
Can you give the klx 300r a review?
Up in Canada all the parts ive ordered or had warrentied have come in 5 days or less not sure why your brake took so long. Kickstand is a fail there's mods tho
Wondering when the give away is Not for the start for the k t m and beta
Probably between the 18th to 20th of April. That’s usually when he goes live on RUclips
Can they make a baby stark varg because I don’t need all of that
how does it handle climbing big, loose, steep hills that you have to sit on the gas cap in 3rd gear WFO, tire spinning most of the way? with all those revolutions of the wheel, will it be out of juice after 3 tries? and i bet it's a bear coming down them.
Are you expecting an actual physical clutch? So adding new wear parts, now needing oil and oil changes, etc.? (I suppose you could have a dry clutch) that doesn't make any sense. Some sort of "digital" clutch could make sense but not really because you don't need to "spin up" the motor separate from how you want the power delivered. The throttle on ICE bikes is to control the RPM's, then the clutch engage power. I can agree that having a better mechanism to have finer control over power delivery would be nice vs. only having the twist throttle. I think having a more programmable throttle position, or maybe even switching over to a thumb throttle or a lever throttle may make more sense to give finer control. Or setting up the power levels like "gears" and quickly "shifting" between them.
Having a clutch gives you two ways to control power instead of one in a way. Like you say for diner power inputs. Also In my mind I just imagine that when you give it too much throttle on a gas bike and things get away from you, you pull in the clutch and control it.
When are you announcing the giveaway?
Usually between the 18th - 20th of April. It will be live on RUclips
Is it just me or does Kyle’s riding look a bit more lively and agressive on the varg than other previous videos of gas bikes ? Looks faster to me
He liked it so much...he doesn't realise it yet
I think he’s going to downplay his opinion of it to not piss off his narrow minded vet rider enduro audience…
Think you got wrong. It's over 240 pounds or around 110kg.
Re: CLUTCH - It should be possible to implement some form of "virtual" (electronic) clutch on an e-bike. It would NOT add any appreciable weight (just a potentiometer and a lever).
C'mon Stark ! Take the initiative on this !
There is an electric bike from Croatia that has a clutch. Still in development.
Sure, there are E bikes with clutches and gears as they weren't designed from the ground up as E bikes. They are riding the bike in Hard Enduro without a clutch LOL. With a clutch you lose the hand brake which is a huge benefit anyways.
I love listening to people try and say “it’s not meant to be ridden here” “you will eventually like it” so clueless. 2.5 hours of range in the woods is NOT good at all. It’s horrible
I'm in Montana. Rode Sunday. Got on the bike about 11am. Done and loaded up at 5pm. 6hrs out. Probably 4hrs total actual ride time. That's a light day.
@nt3523 how much they pay you to lie?
That's why racers buy TWO bikes and high use parts supplies.
I guess no holy shizballs for the Stark.
Did you watch it all ?
To all the people who say electric is boring ride one on max power you’ll shit your pants
I remember saying a 4 stroke could never run with a 2 stroke. First time I rode a Yamaha YZ426 I was a changed man. I think more people will have the same feeling when they ride the Stark Varg.
@@tndeere2 100% . I’m blown away with mine and every person who’s ridden it has been the same . And with how good bikes are these days that’s saying a lot . The power is in matched for delivery , tunability , peak power , usability. Combusting just can’t match it , it’s simple . People hate on the because of the sound I think that’s lost peoples issue . I don’t care about that I care about ride experience. And yes I remember my first ride on a 4 stroke too the term cheating was used all through ghat transition and elec takes it to another level
What irks me is every second of every day the battery degrades whether you're riding it or not. It also loses power while sitting in the garage. Imagine if my kx leaked gas and the hour meter clicked up while sitting. ugh...
There are KTM free rides with 500 hours on them and the batteries still operate like new. The Varg is far superior to them too. More fake news
Has virtually no degradation of stored at 50% and in suitable conditions . People still rider their Alta’s with next to no change in battery life . Heat kills battery’s , long term they should last 1000 charge cycles more more . So there’s 1000 hours of riding
hmm. i guess stark has figured out to make it battery not operate like every other battery on the planet. revolutionary...
@@PBmxer did they claim to have a more advanced battery technology? I wasn’t aware that they did maybe you could send me a link to them saying that
@@PBmxer Does the battery have a lifespan? Well duh! Does your KX's top end, bottom end, and all kinds of other components have a lifespan? Yes
Where are you riding at ?
I’m not sure I would like it. The clutch is my security blanket when I’m worried that I could hit something and whiskey throttle.
I rode it and that’s my only gripe.
I have hand rear brake on mine and use that in place of a clutch when hopping logs etc
I’ll pass on the stark Vag!
Without getting into range issues, charge time, cost, the phone on the bars etc, I have other reasons for not being interested. With no clutch and no shifting I just feel it removes a huge part of what riding any motorcycle should be. Less control, less skill needed, no soul.
I’ve read so many comments saying this , if you think clicking a gear and pulling in a clutch is an important part of riding i think you’re mistaken , that stuff gets in the WAY of the riding experience! I got a varg a month ago and find so much more fun that my 450 . Removing unnecessary shit enhances the experience by allowing rider to fully focus on the actually riding ! You feel every movement of the bike , you feel your body position and technique and are far more in tune with that when you aren’t trying to constantly move feet out of positing to break and change gears . You can focus on lines better , can focus on power delivery to rear wheel better . Everything is better . So many people can’t deal with the fact that electric bikes aren’t loud . I’d you think they don’t have soul ride one on high power settings you might just be surprised . Power like you can’t even imagine
I bet you you won't be scaring too many cougars away with that thing as a matter of fact they might be curious to what it is instead of scared and run away. 🤷
Actually, it scares the shit out of cows. So why not all animals. Think of it as a deer whistle for your truck on steroids
You are just so used to having a clutch that it is mental for you. They are riding Hard Enduro without a clutch. With a clutch it would take away one of the main advantages of having a hand brake anyways.
how many times do you need to repeat this answer?
@@tomm2873 I guess the same amount of time people make the same stupid comments like you
If it doesn’t have a clutch, is it a motorcycle?
If it doesn't have a kick starter is it a dirtbike?
@@easternyellowjacket276 only if it’s a KTM
@@scrick7112 Well, where does it stop? If you take away the kickstart, you aren't punished for stalling the bike for a lack of clutch skill, correct?
@@easternyellowjacket276 don’t take me serious. I’m just having fun. It’s hard for some of us old timers to give in to e- motorcycles. A Hodaka 100 was my first bike. lol
@@scrick7112 No worries. I'm 57 and started riding dirt bikes in 1976 on a 1976 Honda CT90.
15 mins , and the wheezing , zzzzz ing sound is like nails on a chalk board , i would be thankfull for the short run time at this point....
I don't think this is the best bike for this type of riding. The areas are wide open and the spaces are huge. The range is going to be detrimental in this type of riding. But most people don't ride in stuff like this. Get it in some woods on tougher/technical terrain or on a closed track. Be that as it may I feel Kyle is confused. He so badly wants to hate it. But he likes it. I can tell. 😜 But he's eventually going to complain about the range. But again, not the best bike for what was exhibited in this video. Three to four hours in tight woods, or 45 mins by an expert on a motocross track.
Not having a clutch in tight technical single track is a hard pass. This bike is a track machine only.
@@martinwilk9945 Tell me you've never ridden it without telling me you've never ridden it. lmfao!
Definitely not , I have a varg and this is the worst type of riding for the battery . In right single trails even pushing fast pace I can get 2.5 hours from a battery . Open roads chews it up fast
@@martinwilk9945 Why would you need a clutch with no gears and full torque from zero rpm?
You slip the clutch on a dirt bike to get the engine into the power and and modulate the torque to the wheel but the power and starts at zero rpm and you can modulate power with the throttle so...?
@@Marleysdad808Don't need to have riden it to know you can't honestly say this a good bike for trail riding. You get a 2.5 hour range then you have to charge? So now on top of all your gear your lugging a generator (with fuel) to your riding spot or pack up and go home?
Electric bikes are purely track unless you get batteries you can swap out, even then, you exhaust those and your back to needing to charge.
At a track you atleast have a chance of having a power source to plug into depending on your track.
Ride what ever you own in what ever situation you want, that's whats awesome about riding. But get outta here with saying this bike is intended for anything other than being a track bike.
I can barely listen to that whining motor 😶
Then but the FMF $50 mod. Next stupid comment
Electric junk
The riding on an electric dirt bike is so boring 😴 😴
Then don’t watch it