Melbourne's Cable Trams

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  • Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024

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  • @MarkHenstridge
    @MarkHenstridge 5 лет назад +29

    Praise to the Late Mr. Neville Goveet for capturing that period of life in Melbourne. Having the notion to put it on film for future generations to see his brilliant home movie and thank you to other like-minded people like Mr. Govett.

  • @tfdruid
    @tfdruid 12 лет назад +25

    I live near the old engine house on the corner of Queensberry and Abbotsford streets, North Melbourne. A few years ago roadworks uncovered the only known remaining section of cable-tram network. The roadwork was stopped, and the archaeologists came in. It was fascinating watching them unearth this recent, but already forgotten (no-one had known there was ANY remaining cable under the road) piece of Melbourne history.

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 5 лет назад +3

      the famous druid, it may not be the only place. back in the late 70's mates of mine were involved in doing brickwork at the corner of chapel st and toorak road (i think it was that intersection-the old capital bakery). they told me how the job was on both sides of one of the roads and they used a tunnel to get from one side of the road to the other. they weren't crawling on their stomachs to get across. they said it looked like all the equipment was still down there.

    • @charlesbrain3872
      @charlesbrain3872 4 года назад +3

      vsv nrg the capitol bakeries building was an old cable tram engine building (demolished last year).

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 4 года назад +2

      @@charlesbrain3872 ,that would explain the tunnels i was told about.

    • @tramalan
      @tramalan 2 года назад +1

      Didn't they also find, recently, one of the large wheels that steered the cable round a curve?

  • @iand.richardson878
    @iand.richardson878 5 лет назад +14

    Fascinating video report. My great-grandfather, Arthur Cox, was one of the first gripmen on Melbourne's cable trams.

  • @GlennThompson
    @GlennThompson 3 года назад +3

    In the 1950s an old lady at Mernda had an old Melbourne cable car as her sewing room. She was Mrs. Hayes whom Hayes Rd Mernda is named after. At that time her husband was dead but he was Padre Hays, Church of England I think. His old church was near the corner of Schotters Rd and Bridge Inn Rd Mernda. It was an old wooden structure and on a windy day in about 1958, while a friend and I were watching, it fell over. My sister rescued some of the old brass vases and paraphernalia from the wreckage. As a child, I often sat in that cable car after chopping firewood for her.

  • @professorpatpending8731
    @professorpatpending8731 6 лет назад +10

    My father, born in 1919, told me about the cable trams that he often travelled on prior to world war two. Excellent footage and commentary.

    • @juliekemp419
      @juliekemp419 4 года назад +1

      My Dad was also born in 1919. Trams were so much a part of daily conversation and chat even for me b in 1948. My grandparents on both sides talked of them frequently - "catch the ..." "get of near the stop at ..." I loved listening to my "elders".

    • @JWMcLay
      @JWMcLay 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@juliekemp419So do I, I'm only 40, and trying to absorb and understand as much as I can.
      I enjoy hearing personal experiences, reflections and history in all it's layers, well at least some of the layers I mean

  • @paulkyriakopoulos3444
    @paulkyriakopoulos3444 3 года назад +2

    Melbourne your a grand old beautiful city I'm lucky I grew up in this city.

  • @MelodyMan69
    @MelodyMan69 Месяц назад +1

    2:19. Is that the corner of Nicholson and Gertrude Streets ?
    Tram Steam Generator Facility ?
    Just confirmed by turning ON the Volume.

  • @garynewton1263
    @garynewton1263 2 года назад +1

    Richmond had a Cable tram depot on the corner of Bridge rd and River street.
    I remember us kids going in there a few times in the early 1980s. There were a few old wooden teams stored in there back then.
    It was a Cable house and the infrastructure was still there visible in the floor.

    • @TheHsan22
      @TheHsan22 Год назад +2

      Also the building on SE cnr Gertrude and Nicolson Sts opposite the Exhibition Building. My mother used to tell me about "the big wheel on the floor" whenever we went passed.

    • @garynewton1263
      @garynewton1263 Год назад +1

      @@TheHsan22 Yeah same big wheel was there in the Richmond engine house too around 1982/3.
      Inner Melbourne had charm and personality right up to the 90s I think. Then suburbs like Richmond, Carlton, Sth Melb, Fitzroy, Prahran and Brunswick changed.

  • @xr6lad
    @xr6lad 2 года назад

    I remember for years until fairly recently there’s was a piece of track at the top of Bourke St with Spencer that still had the cable slot in the middle of track for several metres.

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 Месяц назад

      Got rid of when the St Kilda and Port Melbourne train lines were converted to tram lines. In the way of new tracks.

  • @juliekemp419
    @juliekemp419 4 года назад +1

    When i see that very special Melbourne facade of Flinders Street Station i am wistful and wondrous - it reminds me of the Luna Park entrance. I was born in 1948 and had a busy Anglo-Celtic extended family who were always mentioning 'the trams' on a daily basis as they lived in suburban Melbourne, mainly on the south eastern lines. Chapel St, Prahran, Tivoli Road, oh so many more short forms relating to daily travel. Very intense. Marvellous human childhood and young adult sentiments revived - THANK YOU!

  • @jamesgovett3225
    @jamesgovett3225 5 лет назад +4

    Neville was very passionate about melbournes trams and its history, l was lucky enough to meet him several times many decades ago regarding our own familys history as his grandfather was also my great great grandfather a pioneer of Australia who landed in hobart in 1824 and purchasing John Batmans property in Ben Lomond Tasmania before coming to the mainland several years later, Neville lived his later life in Queensland.

    • @horribleguts
      @horribleguts  5 лет назад +2

      Interesting story. I will pass it on to my Mum who was an architectural historian with the Government until recently. She had me transfer the video.

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 5 лет назад

      @@horribleguts ,good thing you obeyed your mother. your mother knows best.

  • @heathertruskinger6214
    @heathertruskinger6214 3 года назад +4

    Alf Twentyman and his wife lived in Bastings St Northcote. I lived a few houses away in James St.
    I was lucky enough as a child to spend many weekends playing on the cable trams he still had in his backyard.
    They were on tracks, and he would often pull them out .I recall a Dummy car and a closed in car. There may have been 1 or 2 more as well. But that was all the way back in the 1960's

    • @TheHsan22
      @TheHsan22 Год назад +2

      Knew him well, lived a bit closer, and played on those same trams ;)

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 Месяц назад +1

      A VHS and DVD called Commuting by Cable shows Mr Twentymen moving his tram in his garden and interviews him. With lots of other cable coverage.

    • @heathertruskinger6214
      @heathertruskinger6214 Месяц назад

      @@johnd8892 thanks

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 Месяц назад +1

      @heathertruskinger6214 I mis remembered about Commuting by Cable trying to find the Twentymen clip I remembered :
      ruclips.net/video/ik-n7bb-cs4/видео.htmlsi=HgT81f1XXJksemvj
      Can't seem to find it. Likely remembered from something I taped off , say ABC news, filming in his garden and interviewed. On one brief part of hundreds of VHS tapes I haven't looked at in over ten years.
      The link may still be worth a watch as it goes into much more detail than this short video here.

    • @heathertruskinger6214
      @heathertruskinger6214 Месяц назад

      @@johnd8892 ah, yes, when I saw your reply last night, I did some searching, and found the video on RUclips, too
      I hope to watch it this week.
      And...thanks again

  • @grahamcockerill2406
    @grahamcockerill2406 4 года назад +3

    Absolutely brilliant I'm only 62 so was so interesting to watch, amazing more people weren't injured or killed watching them driving and walking in front of trams and car's 😕

  • @cherylpurdue888
    @cherylpurdue888 Год назад

    Wow,this was a real eye opener, how things have changed so much😮

  • @johnferguson4089
    @johnferguson4089 5 лет назад

    What an interesting video. I always wondered how the cable trams worked. Many thanks to the late Neville Govett for having the foresight to film this in so much detail and superb quality. Thanks to Heritage Victoria for providing this video for sharing, it's much appreciated.

  • @CowboyJojosAdventures
    @CowboyJojosAdventures 10 лет назад +5

    Brilliant Video and wonderful Footage. Thank you Neville.

  • @Leopold5100
    @Leopold5100 3 года назад +1

    I have only ever heard of Melbourne's cable cars; thank you, very interesting.

  • @carrahulley8484
    @carrahulley8484 Месяц назад

    DVD is out good to watch

  • @tph2558
    @tph2558 7 лет назад +7

    Wow what a brilliant piece of history These cable cars sure put San Francisco Cable Cars in the limelight Sadly they never kept a line or two open would have been a fantastic tourist attraction

  • @jimmarshallman6300
    @jimmarshallman6300 6 лет назад +3

    LOVED this .... Always wondered how they worked ...... :)

  • @amandab8739
    @amandab8739 3 года назад

    Thank you!

  • @horribleguts
    @horribleguts  12 лет назад +3

    Thanks. I mentioned these comments to the person from Heritage Victoria who gave me the video. There will soon be a study released about the remaining infrastructure. There is a page mentioning the same Abbotford Street dig.

  • @stumarston6812
    @stumarston6812 3 года назад +1

    3:31 This is what I look like at work.

  • @tfdruid
    @tfdruid 11 лет назад

    A short section of track was discovered during roadworks in 2007.
    It's in North Melbourne, and runs along Abbotsford St between Spencer Street and the old engine house on Queensberry St.
    After the archaeologists did a survey of the site it was covered up again to preserve it, so all you can see is the median strip covered in wood chips, rather than the grass and street trees that were originally planned for it.

  • @pamelalawrence8934
    @pamelalawrence8934 2 года назад +1

    Where did they make the cable cars?
    Were they all bought out from England? How did they fit on the sailing ships in the 1800's?

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 Месяц назад

      Made here to San Francisco designs mostly.
      Sailing ships could even cope with much heavier steam locomotives. Just clever people understanding block and tackle cranes.

  • @HMTMelbournePTGal
    @HMTMelbournePTGal 9 лет назад +1

    Amazing and informative video.
    We have come a long way.

  • @darylcheshire1618
    @darylcheshire1618 3 года назад

    Fascinating video, I wondered how cable trams changed points. Until a few years ago there was a short length of cable tram tracks on the corner of Spencer and Bourke Streets, this was removed when the new left and right tracks were installed.
    Another problem was how did they cross train tracks? Apparently the railway companies were less than cooperative in allowing cable trams to cross their tracks.

  • @bigbrotherrocks06
    @bigbrotherrocks06 11 лет назад +2

    WOW talk about a history lesson. Thanks for putting this up. I've shared the video on my facebook page.

    • @horribleguts
      @horribleguts  11 лет назад +1

      Thanks. A large and fascinating system. Check out some of the material at heritage Victoria for info on tram-related places. www.dpcd.vic.gov.au/heritage/publications-and-research/thematic-and-typological-studies/tram-heritage-study

  • @hugocortes3680
    @hugocortes3680 4 года назад

    BEAUTIFUL VIDEO, THANK YOU FOR SHARING! :)

  • @acohen1980
    @acohen1980 9 лет назад +1

    fantastic post...thanx

  • @geoffreyhansen8543
    @geoffreyhansen8543 3 года назад

    The cable trams are fascinating.

  • @MuzzahA1
    @MuzzahA1 7 лет назад +1

    Hi Michael I just got a copy of a 1988 documentary called "Commuting by Cable" about the Melbourne cable trams. It has all this footage in it and interviews/ commentary from the guy who filmed the footage plus runs for just under 1 hour. VHS only.

    • @MuzzahA1
      @MuzzahA1 7 лет назад

      You can still get it from the library, have a look at the National Library of Australia.
      trove.nla.gov.au/work/22652121?selectedversion=NBD9593896

    • @horribleguts
      @horribleguts  7 лет назад

      Been a while since i watched a video tape. How things changed. Perhaps I could view it at the Library.

    • @jimmarshallman6300
      @jimmarshallman6300 6 лет назад

      @@horribleguts "OLD"technology now .... ROFL!

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 4 года назад

      @@horribleguts ,our government public service should put it up on this youtube thingy.

    • @indriigunason9017
      @indriigunason9017 Год назад

      I bought a DVD copy on eBay a few months ago.

  • @TramcarTrev
    @TramcarTrev 10 лет назад +1

    Thanks for posting this,

  • @vsvnrg3263
    @vsvnrg3263 5 лет назад +2

    back in the early 80's i worked down near no.32 south wharf near where holden used to be. old cable trams started turning up on the wharf. in good condition they seemed to be i might add. one of our co-workers went over to enquire what was going on.. he was told the trams were being backloaded, when there was space, to usa. a tram might be waiting on the dock for a few days then it would disappear. then another one would turn up. some stayed on the wharf for more than a month. i think a total of 5 or 6 disappeared overseas from here. they all appeared to be in good condition and of various colour schemes. the different colours indicated different routes. they must have been stored in a shed somewhere.

    • @medullaoblongata9670
      @medullaoblongata9670 4 года назад

      vsv nrg I bet someone (????) made a few bucks on that. Thanks for sharing

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 4 года назад

      @@medullaoblongata9670 ,glad you appreciate my comment. it was probably above board. the trams were going back to where they came from. they were made in usa. and i can appreciate that they have been put to good use in san francisco. they would have been welcome additions to any australian tram museum. the fact that they were stored for decades and not scrapped is rather amazing.

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 3 года назад

      Sounds like when they were withdrawing W class electric trams from service. Built in Australia but old ones found buyers in the USA for tourist service. Seattle was one. Made it to a Frasier episode once.
      Elton John bought one. Another I saw in an English tram museum.
      Probably a list on the net of where they are around the world.
      Most other withdrawn ones were burnt. Replaced by Z class then A class new model trams around this time.
      Only a very few cable trams survived after the 1940 closure. Much smaller, usually four wheeled trams.

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 3 года назад

      @@johnd8892 , the difference is that the w's were only recently withdrawn. these cable trams were withdrawn more than 40 years earlier. and there were far more w's than cable trams. there must be people out there who knows where and how many were stored in a secure location. as i said, they were in excellent condition from what i saw as i drove past. and being that the trams were visible from lorimer street, lots of people, including tram enthusiasts must have seen them.

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 3 года назад

      @@vsvnrg3263 would have been documented if they were cable trams. Where was the unknown location worth storing cable trams over forty years? America also loved tram like bodies on a bus chassis, called it a trolley and the tourists flocked to it. So much cheaper than tracks etc.

  • @mcilrain
    @mcilrain 4 года назад +4

    The man staring at the cable looks like he wants to die. 3:33

    • @medullaoblongata9670
      @medullaoblongata9670 4 года назад +2

      mcilrain he looks like he needs a few ‘Giggle Pills’

    • @RexBarca
      @RexBarca 3 года назад +1

      I had a job like that at MM cabless in 91. I was lucky as I had long hair at the time, i could hide the walkman speakers in my ear muffs which helped while away the 12 hour shifts.

  • @williamrubinstein3442
    @williamrubinstein3442 4 года назад

    Amazing!

  • @swimminlane3566
    @swimminlane3566 8 лет назад +1

    Brilliant thanks

  • @ThePaulv12
    @ThePaulv12 3 года назад

    Gertrude Street remains largely unchanged today. I recognize it in this old film no problems at all.

  • @anthonylee5834
    @anthonylee5834 10 лет назад

    thank you micheal great

  • @RexBarca
    @RexBarca 3 года назад

    May have been fun on a summer's evening, on a winter morning, not so much.

  • @djackman4229
    @djackman4229 5 лет назад +2

    Bit of a crime to have turned bustling Swanston Street into a mall - it was a great treat to drive down in the old days.

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 4 года назад +1

      d jackman, i'm a car head. however, we really need to loosen their grip on our way of life. including supposed green electric cars which just transfer the pollution to where the power stations are. it doesn't matter how clean the things run they are still using up oxygen and roads and freeways are forever expanding stealing our space. i know someone who lost their beloved family home when the south eastern freeway was extended through malvern.

  • @juandalton9172
    @juandalton9172 11 лет назад

    Brisbane 2013.
    I was in Melbourne a couple of years ago and was dissappointed that I could not find the tracks. On my return home I found out on the internet that the tracks and cable slot was covered over due to roadworks. Has it all been uncovered. I walked the area.
    Please anwer me.
    John D'Alton.
    ============================

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 3 года назад

      The remaining foot or so of cable tracks survived until about 1988 on Bourke Street near Spencer Street when it was torn up so the Bourke Street tram could go round the corner for the so called light rail track to st Kilda and port Melbourne.
      So destroyed by tram expansion.

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 Месяц назад

      Photos and film exist { eg 8:51 ) of the sub roadway cable equipment as well as the cable tram rails being dug up and removed so as not to interfere with new electric tramways being installed.

  • @vsvnrg3263
    @vsvnrg3263 5 лет назад +1

    i had an incredibly mind numbing job many years ago filling 1 litre bottles with peanut oil for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. at 3:34, i've just found a worse job.

    • @RexBarca
      @RexBarca 3 года назад +1

      Hahahahaja, we have all been there

    • @vsvnrg3263
      @vsvnrg3263 3 года назад

      @@RexBarca , it sounds like you have too. but there are a lot of people who haven't.

  • @tfdruid
    @tfdruid 11 лет назад +1

    Having real trouble getting 'reply' to work...

  • @christinejackson3922
    @christinejackson3922 4 года назад

    My grandma told me once that she remembered when the trams were drawn by horses is this true ?

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 4 года назад

      Yes. The first trams were animal-drawn.

    • @christinejackson3922
      @christinejackson3922 4 года назад

      Jonathan Tan thanks for that I always wondered as I couldn’t find any old photos or information. Do you know approximately when they were horse drawn

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 4 года назад

      @@christinejackson3922 It was before the cable trams were built in the 1880s. I think some of the lines remained horse-drawn into the early 20th century before being fully replaced by cable or electric ones.

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 3 года назад

      @@christinejackson3922 there was a horse drawn tram to the Royal Park Zoo until the Police strike of 1923 when rioters burnt the stables down.

    • @johnd8892
      @johnd8892 Месяц назад

      ​@@christinejackson3922search for Hawthorn 1907 to see some great scenes of the horse trams in Hawthorn.
      In then outlying suburbs like Hawthorn and Kew , horse drawn trams were used as being much cheaper than cable trams. The Kew change over from passengers using the cable tram to horse tram was on the Yarra bridge at Victoria St and Barker's road. Eventually most of the horse trams were converted to electric trams. I have not come across any going horse to cable.

  • @Priyankar75
    @Priyankar75 8 лет назад

    Hello sir. This is Priyankar from Kolkata. I am in the management team of one of India's first attempt to make an exhibition on trams. We will be screening local, national and international short films and documentaries on trams and give the people a chance to relive the dying heritage of Kolkata. It would be great if we can have permission to screen this documentary the event. If you are interested, do get in touch with me at priyankarpatra@gmail.com anytime before 2nd of May, 2016. Thank you. Link to the event page: facebook.com/events/1709574172648818/

    • @horribleguts
      @horribleguts  8 лет назад

      +Priyankar Patra please show the film. The exhibition sounds fabulous (I have just read a little about CTC). For more Melbourne tram resources you can try Culture Victoria, Heritage Victoria (where I got this) and Melbourne Museum.
      www.cv.vic.gov.au/stories/built-environment/melbourne-trams-step-aboard/reminiscences-of-cable-trams-in-melbourne/

    • @Priyankar75
      @Priyankar75 8 лет назад

      Thank you for the permission. The link was helpful too. Will keep you updated !

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    @ahmaderfanefendi211 3 месяца назад

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  • @tfdruid
    @tfdruid 11 лет назад +5

    A short section of track was discovered during roadworks in 2007.
    It's in North Melbourne, and runs along Abbotsford St between Spencer Street and the old engine house on Queensberry St.
    After the archaeologists did a survey of the site it was covered up again to preserve it, so all you can see is the median strip covered in wood chips, rather than the grass and street trees that were originally planned for it.

  • @johnferguson4089
    @johnferguson4089 5 лет назад +3

    What an interesting video. I always wondered how the cable trams worked. Many thanks to the late Neville Govett for having the foresight to film this in so much detail and superb quality. Thanks to Heritage Victoria for providing this video for sharing, it's much appreciated.