My father in law is a Ford Mechanic and he always says "man I love the 6.0 & 6.4 , I made so much money off those" He had to repair them so often he knew everyone who owned them by name!
Once the Head Bolt issue was fixed and the EGR they were actually pretty bulletproof. Watched a couple turn 12s at the local drag strip in a 6000 lb truck. The Navistar 6.4 was complete junk and Ford went their own way with the 6.7 which are pretty decent. But I have a 7.3 which if you look after it can do a million miles . . .
@@jeffro582 Have never heard that . . . but anytime I think my 2001 7.3 is noisey I just stop beside a similar year Dodge with a diesel, then I can't hear mine running . . . lol Have a friend who pulled 1000 hp out of his 7.3 . . . big spend of course.
@@dalew801 yup Dale, mine is a 2002 24 valve 3/4 ton dodge cummins. It is extra loud after I put 125hp injectors and big turbo etc. Still gets 24.5mpg hwy. 386k miles, still runs like new, no motor work ever done except the injectors and that was for HP. The original ones were fine, of course I've replaced the normal stuff, a starter, an alternator, just replaced the power steering pump. There are a couple of dodge cummins that hotshot Ranger bass boats from near here, they both have way over 1 million on them. A 2001 dodge out of Iowa has over 3 million on his, all hwy miles, he is on the cummins high mileage websight.
@@jeffro582 Pulling down the highway is what they do best . . . what will kill your Diesel Pickup is driving it 5 miles to work everyday. The oil never warms up especially in northern climes. We get the Diesels at the Drag Stip occasionally . . . usually 6.0 Fords & Dodges . . . they run in the 12s . . . really impressive. Never seen a Chevy though. If I was looking for a new to me truck tomorrow, I would likely buy an 05 06 F130 Dually . . . find a nice low mileage truck & pay the price. New stuff now is a pain, fluid, tracking devices etc.
Kind of strange many of the earlier 340hp 5.7 hemis came into the shop with 250,000 trouble free miles.... and then some would come in grenaded with only 80k... oh yah, those were the guys that didn't change oil...
@@jeffro582 right, I had the ram service guy tell me that you have to use high quality oil and never go over 5k between changes. He said fleet and police cars would eat lifters and cams because they would go 10k. So far no problems.
Bought an '07 5.4L Triton brand new. Drove it 275,000 miles in 11 years. Only broke 1 spark plug during that time. Outside of the regularly scheduled maintenance, it cost me less than $1000 in repairs overall. Was a great truck!
I had a 2005 5.4. I sold it to my brother with 276,000 miles on it about two years ago. He now has over 300,000 on it still runs like new my secret. Change the oil frequently use full synthetic. I did hard-core offloading, and some moderate towing never gave me any issues at all.
@@dickbonner5601 2007 F-250 just turned 310,000. Heading to dealership for replacement. $8,600.00. Jasper, Fraser, Ford. No matter which way you go, that's about what you're looking at for replacement. Full dress block is around $5,700. 18 hours labor around $2,600 + extra bell & whistle parts. 3 weeks waiting time. Your friends may say you're nuts to go this route, but it's cheaper to rebuild it than replacing it. I tell them you get a flat tire, do you sell the vehicle?
Same on a 2003 5.4 Lariat with 229,000 mi as of this week. Had to put an alternator on it at 185,000. Zero sludge under the valve covers. Full synthetic and regular maintenance is all it takes. It got a whopping 9 mpg (ish) around town when it was new and still does. 😀
@@dgsasser they will run, but there's a day it's going to bite the bullet and repower. F-250's with 8 ft box and extended cab are kinda hard to find 😕. Shopping 🛍 cart 4 ft box 4 doors are all around, but don't cut it for hauling big items.
I had over 250,000 miles on my 2000 5.4 when I sold it never did anything to it. A friend of mine saw it not long ago its still going with over 300,000 miles.
do not slack on oil changes and use good synthetic and youll be fine.....2006 and up seem to to be the better years mid 2008 and up the plugs were redesigned...
I own a 2000 F150 with 700,000 miles on it. Has the 5.4 Triton, bought new, no issues ever; still putting down great torque and hp. De-greased the engine a few times, replaced the exhaust and intake a few years ago for fun.
All I'm saying is I love my 6.0 E350 van. Tow 10K lbs trailer to race tracks all over the east cost and still doing great. Oh, I bought the van for $2.5K and kept up with the maintenance after I got rid of the EGR stuff. Rebuild the turbo with a wicked wheel. The van is pretty solid now.
My 3 valve went 265k without ever pulling a valve cover. Just routine maintenance, brakes, and ball joints. Purred til the day a garbage truck hit it and totaled it.
engine makes sludge? dumbest thing i ever heard. simple truth. if you change your oil every 5k, change your plugs every 80 to 100k( excess carbon on the antifouler causes it to break off)and dont mind the phaser knock you can drive these things for 200k or more, put a ford timing set in them and drive them another 200k. dont take advice from someone who thinks engines "make" sludge. fyi my buddies honda civic just spit a plug and had to be helicoiled and another buddies 6.0 chevy spit a plug acwhile back and had to be helicoiled. its more of an aluminum head thing going on extended entervals. retourqe or change every once few years.
Never understood this all 5 between me and my buddies were bought used, driven hard as fuck, never washed , used as mud trucks , farm trucks , field trucks and all of them had over 400,000km -500,000km . Some of them were F250's some F150's . Some 2wd some 4wd . Crew cab , 3 door . Step side , style side . They weren't powerful , manifolds all rotted off but they all ran just fine up till they got scrapped due to holes in the floors , boxes falling off and frames snapping in half.
I worked with a guy that was a Ford dealership tech for 17 years. He quit a year or so after the 6.0 came out. He said plenty of them would show up dead off the transporter, and because they had such a cramped engine bay he always got stuck working on them since he was the skinniest guy there. After a while he said no more...
complete BS - our 2003 Excursion had the 6.0 - it had a FEW MINOR issues (never cost us more than $100.00) in repairs. the 6.0 WAS GREAT and would go down the road FAST!
Ford didnt bring these engines to my country in f250, instead they brought a 4.2 mwm (most comum) and 3.9 cummins engines, they brought some gasoline engines too (but it was a total flop), but sometimes we replace the engines for a 5.9 cummins or 6.0 om366 mercedes engines
The powerstroke series came in Ford ranger here (3.0), but it didnt last long, It was replaced for an 2.8 mwm engines, nowadays ranger came with a 3.2 5 cyl cummins engine
Those who do this for a living put 3 engines at the bottom of their lists. The Ford 5.4 3 valve, the 6.0 diesel, and the 6.4 diesel. There will never be a Ford truck in my parking space.
My uncle actually had the ecodiesel, and it too had a conplete engine failure stranding him and my aunt halfway across the country. They were just towing their ultralite camper (not pushing the tow limit by any means), and on their trip home it started slowly losing power til finally the dash lit up. He even had the oil changed right before the trip. Other uncle had the Ford 6.0, blew up on him and cost $5500 to fix. He even did all the bulletproofing fixes on it
Guess I'm a lucky one, my 04 f150 triton v8 has been awesome. Over 250k miles, pulls my 8500 lb camper with ease, and have yet to have any issues. But I always say its how well you take care of them. Never ever pass 5k for new oil, every 50k gets new plugs, and so on. Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.
Heres a real story about what changing oil frequently will do for an engine. I pulled a 1971 429 Ford engine in a wrecking yard in 2017 which had a 3x oil pan plug in it, likely indicating VERY frequent oil changes. While it may have been some boob that didnt know how to properly tighten an oil drain plug, the fact that there was ZERO sludge and virtually no varnish in this engine would support my suspicion of very frequent oil changes. .The 5 digit odometer had gone around at least once, and when I tore it down, the original cylinder hone pattern was still visible in parts of all cylinders, the cylinders had under .004 taper, and that was with the service SE and SF motor oils of the 1970s/80s. While those oils were inferior to todays oil in many ways, (especially resistance to high temperature breakdown), they did contain zinc anti wear additives which is something modern oils do not have, thanks to the miserable EPA I reused the original 10.5/1 pistons with a hone job and new rings.
I know people that have '04 Titans that are doing just fine I have one in my '12 Expedition but change my oil regularly and coolent before 30000 miles so I've seen good ones.
My ex-Ford 2004 F250 had the trident 5.4. Before it had hit 180k miles, it had spit out spark plugs two times. Course that would take out the coil mounted above the cylinder as well. I firmly believe that Ford should have restituted owners of these motors.
You had a 3 valve. I had a 04 Excursion with the same engine same problem. I now have a 03 f150 with the 5.4 2 valve. It's a much better and stronger engine.
As bad as the 6.0L powerstroke is, the 6.4L powerstroke was actually worse. The 6.0L might be expensive to make reliable, but at least you can make it reliable while still keeping them emissions legal. The only real way to make a 6.4L reliable is to exclusively use low sulfur diesel, follow the maintenance schedule to a T, and delete the emissions system. Unfortunately, as we all know, the latter is hella illegal and can get you in some serious trouble if you get caught.
I had a buddy who bought an F350 with the 6.0l with the intention to do all the mods to make it reliable. He found a nice one with a really good price. When he went to look at it, all the mods were done, and the owner knew what he had. He just wanted to sell a good reliable truck for a correct price. My buddy bought that in 2014. He’s still got that truck.
It's not illegal in Kansas and several states, there are no inspections, and no real enforced emissions, meaning straight pipes and blowing coal is okay here.
I owned a 6.0 but did not abuse it or modify it and it lasted very long and perfectly fine. Also those were made by International. The actual Ford in-house 6.7 has been pretty successful and immensely powerful.
I just did the water pumps, plural, in an f550 with a 6.7 it was stupid. Probably take an average person 4-6hr to change the belt. Found 5 other coolant leaks in the process and the weird addition to the intake had a torn rubber coupler. I liked the motor untill I worked on it. Won’t own one now.
I've had 3 F-150s over a 32 year period, all 5.0 engines. Loved them all. A 1990 dual tank full size bed, a 1999 Lariat and presently a 2017 XLT. The 5.0 engine is probably the best truck engine for the F-150.
Lack of maintenance or improper maintenance is the biggest issue with those Dodge/Jeep 4.7s and 3.7s. Cheap oil and late oil changes are especially common. When maintained properly they can be really good for a long time.
@@kurtzimmerman1637 My dad has an 09 Ram 4.7 with around 160k on it currently and it has had no major mechanical issues. My grandmother has an 02 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 4.7 also. It has 170k on it, also no major mechanical issues. Maintenance is key.
Agreed. My '03 Dakota has 175K miles on it, and gets oil changed at 5,000 miles or less with Valvoline full synthetic high mileage oil and a NAPA Gold filter. Fires right up even in 35 below (F) and really hasn't needed much in the way of repairs (cam position sensor and TPS went out around 150k).
I work at a vw/audi shop and there are similar issues, however our dedicated customers who only come to us don’t have a lot of issues because we use liqui moly instead of castrol and change the oil at 1/2 the interval the dealer recommends. Basically most of your problems can be solved by using a synthetic oil that isnt castrol or mobil and changing it at 7500km instead of 10-15,000km
The GM Atlas engines are just fine if people simply change the oil like you're supposed to. I have 245K on mine and it is smooth, quiet, & still burns no oil. That is not a design failure.
@@ggreene245 I have two Rangers. A 1995 and a 1999. You can't find a good 90's model for sale. The new Maverick XLT is as close as it gets to the older models. I plan to order one for the wife. (when I can).
I was a Paramedic and our company had a 30 ambulance fleet and in 2006 they switched from the Ford diesel to the the V10 gas because the diesel failed constantly
Ooh that's why they spit plugs.he is going to halfto replace them eventually.they become so seized that the aluminum head threads come out with the spark plugs. they make the helicoil kit for when they are stripped out.still a simple fix in comparison to all these other pojs
I'm a MoPar guy and I'm surprised the 2003-2008 5.7 Hemi wasn't an honorable mention at least...get it hot and it would drop a valve seat...get it warm and it would drop a valve seat...heck look at it funny and it would drop a valve seat. I drive a 75 D100 with a 318 It has over 200k miles...the lifters complain when it starts but I think it deserves it.
The 5.3 Chevy V8 without deactivation is a beast though. I had one in my 05' Silverado, Z vin, flex fuel. I fixed so many suspension, brake, fuel line, and body mount issues, but never once opened up the engine. It was an incredible powerplant. Just deactivate the cylinder deactivation and you're good. Just be sure to get the unlimited wash package because the frame will rot quick.
I would certainly avoid the 5.4L 3 valve Triton engines as they really suffered from the sludge issues, but my '97 4.6L 2 valve has been quite good with just over 213k. I did have to put head gaskets in it which was a pain, but to be fair, I did overheat it prior to their failing.
I know 2-3 construction workers that have 350k+ miles on them, regular maintenance repairs, but I also know about 10 other people, that have had trouble with them, spark plugs, cam phasers, cams, manifold issues.
255k on my 5.4l before the whole inside got torn up. Didn’t drive it but 15 miles after a guy replaced the timing chain for $2,600 and it broke and the whole engine got demolished.
Working at a Ford Dealership years back, I saw more than a few of the Early 2.7 EcoBoost V6’s in stalls with not whole lotta miles on them (40 to 70k generally). The newer ones seem quite a bit better, but the 2015-17’s would be wise to avoid.
I think anything EcoBoost if awful, Mustangs are up there too, my Bro bought a GM Evoque SUV and had problems after 8 months. Engineers come out of college and make suggestion for shorter downpipe lower center of gravity. Mount the Turbos next to the engine block so close upto 1/8 of an inch. Turbos get up to 1,875 degrees F: engine goes to 225 degrees F without a Heat Sheild between them it's a recipe for disaster. I wound up buying a 2022 Roush Mustang with the 6 Speed Manual Transmission 🧑🏻🦱👍🏻🏎️🏁
I test drove a 2019 ecoboost mustang because i was thinking about trading in my 22 elantra n line because I always wanted a mustang, i wasnt impressed and kept the n line. The eb mustang will 0-60 faster but is sluggish at first because of how heavy it is. In city traffic where the speed limit is 25-35 and you constantly stop and go that mustang felt sluggish. I have a 2.7 eb v6 f150 with 136k miles I have had no issues with. I change my oil at 4k though
@@surmatise I would only buy the 5.0 Mustang or buy an N/A Chevy Camaro or Colorado V6 or C7 Corvette Wouldn't buy C8 due to Automatic Transmission Paddle Shifters
@@ChasingDifferentAdventures i was looking at a 4 cyl because I wanted something better on gas for a daily driver than my f150 and didnt realise the msrp of an eb mustang is only like $1000 more than the msrp on my n line until after I bought the n line. I will probably buy a v8 at a later time though I dont like the 2024 mustang look it looks like ford put a shark face on a challenger and changed the taillights a bit
90% of all 5.4 3 valve triton issues come to owners neglect. Lack of oil changes combined with 30 dollar oil changes when they finally decided its due (cause it's making noise) it's tooooooo late.
@@chrisw5837 that comment shows what you know. The 2 valve mod motors had that issue. As a mechanic i saw that issue after someone had replaced the spark plugs, not from oem. Now the 3valve mod motors, they usually break the spark plugs off in the head.
I had a 2007 suburban with the 5.3 with the cylinder shutdown system. My private mechanic was surprised that I got 247,000 miles. Most engines was lucky to make 160,000. But since most people traded in before hand it never really got identified. My easy fix. Kept the same vehicle. Dropped an 01 to 06 configured engine ie. full time V-8. Interesting part. My old engine was lucky to get 16. I now get just under 20. It also keeps constant power when pulling my boat which eliminated my transmission from dropping to lower gears. My solution: Go the extra mile with your older vehicles keep them pristine. Re-paint when needed and keep the upholstery/interior replaced from time to time. Total cost for my engine/transmission. $12,000.00. Cost of buying a new Suburban $130,000 when you got to consider interest rates property taxes, sales taxes etc over a six year loan. Not to mention average depreciation per year of $15,000.00. My suburban resale value is $8,000.00. So no depreciation best case as everything keeps going up I can only appreciate from here.
Older 5.3 are great engines. I bought my rust free 02 Silverado for 4000 in 2011. It was a Texas truck and I'm in Chicago so first thing I did was paint the underside with polyester primer and clear coat. Then I bought HP Tunes and made downshifts easy and leaned out the bottom end and richened the top end to go to 6000rpms. Had to get stainless steel brake lines a few years ago. At 290,000 miles I wouldn't trade for a brand new one they have tranny problems anyway.
@@SoundsLegit71 I'm in TX and have owned a 00 Silverado 5.3 since new. It has 290k. I put a new oil pump (preventative) and replace exhaust bolts last year. I think I can just keep replacing parts for the next 20 years and it will still be going strong. How to screw up a great engine. GM - let me work on that.
My ‘02 Tahoe with the 5.3 is awesome. We paid 4K for it with only 150k on it. It’s over 200k now with basically nothing done to the entire vehicle except routine maintenance. It’s not stunningly powerful but it gets the job done. I have used it to tow my theee horse slant load trailer when my truck was down and it did fine.
My 2500 suburban with the 6.0 from 2004, now has 212k and is still going strong. Waterpump,alternator, fuelpump, and ex manifold studs. That's it. 7 more years, and it's a classic.
The non-AFM GM 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 engines are some of the most reliable gas engines you could ever hope to own. I've seen *so* many go over 400k miles. I have a 2007 that's an AFM but it's disabled, it has 280k and runs great.
@@Bloodbain88 yes sir. That AFM crap only works in the lab anyway. It's useless for 99% of us. It hurts fuel economy more than anything. Not to mention it's a ticking timebomb.
My chevy express has a 6.6 with oodles of power and speed And it has no AFM or anything else... i agree with you... that stuff is trash That is why it is perfect for me
Best would be interesting too. I had a '56 Packard with 4 wheel torsion bars and a small motor that would twist the rear ones to auto-level them. That thing handled great for a 50's car. I think it was just to heavy and big for most packaging requirements. The front torsion bars went from the crossmember to right in front of the rear wheels! About 10 foot long torsion bars.
I'd put the 6.4 powerstroke on the list over the 6.0. The 6.0 in its International trim (for school busses) did not suffer from the issues the F series engines did because the emissions standards are different. Due to those differences, the f series engines ran hotter and used the STUPID "inductive heating" that burns out the FICM and all of that was FORD adding these things to the design after International received the engine design from Renault. The oil filter/cap issue (where Ford filters don't fit with aftermarket caps) allowing oil to pass unfiltered through the engine and the EGR/oil cooler issues plagued these engines.....again ONLY on the F series engines. The 6.4 was designed as a throw away engine and all kinds of shortcuts were made. When one thing wears out (like the rockers), something else is right on the edge of failure as well, and the parts are INSANELY expensive (if you can get them). The 6.0 had its issues, but I'd take one any day before I'd take a 6.4
First thing I've read where they new what they were talking about. Even remotely. The rush to comply with emissions aside from ford wanting to decide design over international after the great 7.3. we had Detroit engineers fly out to the first shop I was out just to catch up on first year F series 6.0 probs. But soccer mom syndrome seemed to effect more than the turbo. I'm not sure about a 6.0 or 6.4 I couldn't afford either but 6.0 without emissions on it n one hand or cab off & on I can do much faster with 6.4
LOL, My 5.4 has almost 300,000 miles ... I changed the plugs myself once. and the intake manifold at 200,000 miles. I have used synthetic oil from day one and love my truck .
275,000 on mine. If you use full synthetic and change every 4,000 to 5,000 miles, it solves the sludge problem, which was the cause of the other failures. I know fleet vehicles where the mechanics that drive them drive like old grandpa (because they are) that service the engine like they should and have over 400,000 miles on them. The problem is conventional oil, which causes the carbon build up that causes all the problems And those spark plugs in the earlier models, remove them when the engine is hot.
I own a 2004 5.4L 2V F250 Truck. A 19 year old Ford Truck that still looks like new and has never had any internal damage. Oil changed every 3000 miles since new. I have zero complaints
Toyota guys are like I’m sharing this video with all my domestic truck owning friends 😂. Also, I can just here Scotty Kilmer laughing right now with an emoji of a horse in the top right for corner
scotty kilmer the guy that killed people telling them to use comp fittings on brakes…yeah, you follow him you’re just as much as a moron as he is. i’ll gladly pass you by in my gen 2 4.7 while your crap tacoma is in half on the side of the road because the frame snapped due to rust though 😂
I cut my teeth as a mechanic out of school working on almost nothing but ford 6.0 and 6.4L diesels, just constant warranty work for the most part. It was so frustrating doing all this work knowing that Ford's fixes were not providing many solutions. Did two bedplates a week, a cab off engine out operation, with my partner for the most part in addition to a lot of the little stuff you mentioned. Sometimes customers would have bulletproofing mods and that was always a relief to see!
My dad in laws 1997 Mercury Mountaineer went to the great junkyard in the sky after barely clocking 72k miles. He changed the oil every 3-4K miles, and one day just overheated and warped the block, and all over. My 1991 Mazda Navajo (2 door Explorer) was a decent vehicle. Gotta say after all the Jeeps, Fords,etc. the best SUV I had, with the least problems and great 4WD system was my 1997 Isuzu Trooper, never a problem and never stuck in the worst road conditions.
The 98 had the spark plug issue. Had one, just put a 99 engine in it. My 05 has the 3v 5.4 in it. It has 274000 miles on it! I pull campers, trailers, car trailers with it! I see a dozen of them every time I go to town! If they were in Chevys they would be the best thing since sliced bread!
The thing is, 6.0L powerstrokes never need to be repaired. The owners only do "upgrades". These upgrades include VGT turbochargers, VGT solenoids, downpipes, head studs, head gaskets, low pressure oil pump, oil pump cover, high pressure oil pumps, stand pipes, oil rail seals, injectors, FICM, FICM connectors, engine wire harness, cam sensor, crank sensor, IPR solenoid, ICP sensor, oil cooler, egr cooler, egr valve, oil pan bed rail gasket, and front crank seal to name a few.
I still have my 2006 6.0 and everything that can be bulletproofed or deleted has been done. It is currently down again and awaiting me getting around to fixing it again. I have spent more in repairs over the years than I paid for the truck new.... smh
I used to work for navistar and right from one of the engineers mouths the head gasket only plegged some engines. What happened had happened was when they were machining the blocks, they did not change the mill bit soon enough so the last few blocks before they would change bits would come out with wavy block decks, which in turn caused the bolt stretch issue
Kinda have to chuckle at your 6.0 review. You were correct in the statement that if one follows the service recommendation, it's pretty trouble free. I have an 06 dually that has an oil change every 6,000 miles and a fuel filter every other oil change. With the advent of low sulphur fuel, it gets 8 oz of Power Service fuel supplement every fill up. No, I've never had it "bullet proofed" or modified in any way. The trucks major mission in life is to pull a 5th wheel trailer all over the USA. Gotta admit that it was interesting watching the boost gauge going up through the Rocky's. The truck has been basically trouble free with the only major misfunction being when mice chewed through the vacuum lines. 17 years of enjoyment. Now that I've said that I'll probably start having problems...
I think throwing a tune at them, driving the hell out of it, and poor maintenance is what killed most of them. Compared to the previous 7.3 the 6.0 doesn’t really like being run wide open under load for an extended time. I think quite a few were used to the older engines that didn’t make as much power, but would take full throttle for hours on end. With the 6.0 it helps to have a little mercy on it and not just pull as hard as it can all the time. If you got an unlucky one it’s still likely to have problems. But, abusing one at all really quickens the destruction.
I have a 6.0 and like it a lot. I would have felt cheated buying 1 new. However, buying one used cheap and spending the money to fix it ended up being a good deal for me. At the end of the day, I think it comes down to total cost. For me it worked out.
Hell yea, spent 12.5 on a mint ‘06 Lariat with 170k and have maybe put 3-4 in preventative maintenance in the past 2 years with zero issues, I’ll take it all day
How many videos do we need on the same topic? I gotta admit I've definitely worked on a LOT of 5.4 3vs but 100% of the time it was always extremely poor maintenance. And once you've worked on a few honestly they're really simple engines.
I believe most people that get the 5.4 3V are coming over from a pushrod and never owned a overhead cam engine in their life...therefore they're changing oil way too late...because that's what most people do with pushrods anyway! Any motor SOHC/DOHC needs oil changes religiously...if people were to do that they probably wouldn't have issues!💯💯💯💯💯
I have a 2009 platinum 5.4 3 valve. it's solid and I run synthetic regular oil changes. I have heard that 2009 was the last and best year for that engine.
Agree with the 4.7 personal experience. Bought a 2000 Durango with 65k on it. Drove it to 256k. replaced typical thing (tuneups) and replaced the Injectors once, radiator once and A/C Compressor once. Other than that I didnt have a SINGLE issue with it. Towed pretty good too. Also came equipped with the optional Roof A/C. Sold it 3 years ago for $2k. Wish I woulda kept it but heard they were a nightmare to rebuild.. Defiantly miss that SUV. Got a 91 Bronco now though so Im happy again
I lost a rod in a 99 jeep on the limiter, on ice, while making out with my girlfriend… motor still ran for awhile. Looked clean when I tore it down to confirm. had 3 wj’s and my biggest problem was breaks.
lol as a mechanic the ford engines always kept steak & potatoes on my dinner table. the name ford as an acronym spelled backward is as follows: Driver Returning On Foot... the sledging issue was an easy fix high flow oil pumps & cut the oil changes to 1/2 the distance so if the manual said 7000 miles do it at 3500, oil is cheap change it often or you can come to see me for some costly repairs.
@@71torinoman also there's a little trick we used on our engines replace 1 quart of oil with 1 quart of trans oil it will clean up the oil passageways as it's a solvent-based lubricant. But don't run that oil mix any longer than 1000 miles we would do that every 3rd. oil change.
You mean First on race day bro. Been driving and racing mustangs for years, no issues,beating the shit out of them. Not afraid of changing the cam phasers on a5.4 either. 90% bullshit right here. And I daily Jeep wranglers, once my horn broke.
When you're the proud owner of a 2010 F150 with the 5.4L Triton and you're just waiting and praying you don't need to put a new engine in it yet but a new engine is still cheaper than a new truck.
I am happy to see the Toyota 3 VZ-E on this list. The exhaust cross over is routed above the transmission putting alot of heat at the back of the valve covers and right near the corner of the head
Back in the mid 1980's I owned a Rover 825 Turbo that had a 2.5 litre VM turbo diesel engine in it, I thought the car was pretty fast as standard but I did a few things to increase the power and when I put the car on a rolling road dyno I was pleased to see 167 hp at the wheels! This gave the car an easy cruising speed of over 120 mph road conditions permitting and being as I often used the car for long distance driving, the long range of a diesel and the high cruising speed came in very handy, I once drove from my home in Gloucestershire UK to Lisbon Portugal, a trip of 1644 miles and averaged 99 mph overall including the ferry crossing at Dover and fuel stops and even a few short breaks for food and coffee. The Italian made VM engine was great and never let me down, it seemed to be completely bullet proof as well as economical and very drivable, the Rover rusted away long before the engine wore out and when I sold it the buyer bought the car just for the engine which he planned to use in a boat project..
@@pappete9988 If I were you I'd think the same thing, I kept that Rover at 120-130 the whole trip because in those days there was no speed measurement between the tolls and I never had to stop at any of the tolls as I had a Tag, I'd done the drive several dozen times previously in various fast cars and I knew the way and had got good at that kind of high speed long distance driving, the Rover beat the average speed of a 400 hp Prodrive Subaru WRC car I was delivering to a rally team in Lisbon which was second fastest at 97 mph and the difference was due to getting all the lucky breaks on one trip with the Rover like the ferry leaving 5 minutes after I boarded etc and the incredibly long range. This was 25 years ago
My neighbor, back in 2001, had a Buick Skylark from the mid 80's that he ran 50,000 miles without changing the oil or filter. Not sure which engine it had and he didn't say if he ever added any oil. I thought he was crazy, but he only paid a couple hundred dollars for it and got at least five years with no maintenance or breakdowns. I think it may be the only Buick that ever did that well.
Stock 6.0 300k miles no major issues. Other than stuff breaking because it’s almost 20 years old. If you tune them and beat on them you will have issues.
To my understanding the 03/04 6.0 had some major issues. But the 05,06, and 07 were corrected. I knew a older fellow that my brother worked for that had a 06 that he never tuned, bulletproofed or hot rodded it, he maintained his truck and used it for work. He pulled trailers for his construction business. Last i knew my brother worked for him, he was still riding the same truck.
The last one, the old Toyota 3.0 V6, in my experience the truck itself wasn't bad but that engine trouble explains why various engine swaps are so popular.
The lack of low end torque never went away haha. The 3.4L 5VZ and the newer 1GR 4.0L and 2GR 3.5L engines are also known for having basically zero low end torque. The 2GR in my Tacoma definitely needs to be revved to the moon to get any power, but it loves to rev unlike the old 3.0
@@Agent.K. It feels like the 2GR in my Tacoma, minus the top end punch of the 2GR, just as flat down low. 3.2 Pentastar feels virtually identical to the 2GR while the 3.6 Pentastar has a fair bit more punch down low than the GRs or the 3.2 pentastar. I've not driven the new Nissan 3.8, but I've heard it's pretty lifeless and may be slower than the VQ40 despite having 45hp more. The 2.3 ecoboost in the Ranger is the best motor I've personally driven in the segment, though I suspect the 2.7 turbo in the next gen Colorado/Canyon will be a beast.
I got 374,000 miles out of my hard working '97 1 ton extended Ford Triton 5.4 Van, and never had any engine trouble. It had 150,00 on it when I bought it. It had been used as a handicap van before me. It never leaked, or burn any oil excessively., But I was a fanatic at changing oil , and did all the routine maintenance my self. The leaks were so minor they didn't even mess up my driveway. I packed it full of heavy carpet every day, and used in for camping, fishing on week ends, and long family road trips and it still ran strong till the day I sold it because of too much rust. I loved that thing, best motor I've ever had!!
I have a 2005 f150 with the 5.4, 3 valve. It has 217,000 miles. I have kept the oil changed, tuned up, and engine cleaned. Now the transmission is another story. My point is , you keep it maintained, it will go the distance.
Here I am, just glad the Chrysler 5.7L Hemi didn't make the list. Lifter tick smifter tick...lol. Seriously though, 267,549 on the clock and still running like a champ....knock on wood.
I was watching for him to say it. I’ve got a 2020 ram and I’m religious about high-quality oil changes and never going over 5000 miles in between. So far it’s been a great truck.
I had a 2005 Colorado 5 cylinder, never had any problem with that engine, and I traded it in 2019 for a Ford F 150 3.5 Ecoboost twin turbo, I love it also.
08 Nissan Titan pro4x owner her. It's the best full size truck I've ever owned and I use mobile 1 synthetic with no issues on a motor that had 66,000 miles when I bought it in 2010. It's pushing 380,432mil and still pulls strong. I think proper maintenance is part of making any engine last long except for poor engineering like mentioned in this video.
I work at a dealer and we have a guy that owns 5 Titans with the 5.6 V8. 2007 with 568,000, 2011 with 488,000, 2013 with 311,000, 2015 with 287,000 and his personal 2017 with 266,000 miles. Never had an issue with any of them other than 1 transmission in the 2013. The 5.6 is a monster
The Nissan built gas V8 engines are tough, powerful, reliable engines. The Cummins built diesel in the Titan seemed to be the problem child. Nissan generally builds solid motors.
@@donreinke5863 i like the 3.8 more than the 3.0 personally. Hell Nissan has one in the Tennessee HQ with a million miles on it. Only thing it had done was a timing chain at 566,000 miles.
I have 253k on my Triton: Oil changes and replacing parts with Ford OEM redesign parts as needed. A lot of the issues with this engine were fixed with part redesigns: rocker arms, spark plugs, 4wd solenoid, lash adjusters, phasers, Melling oil pump, and Melling tensioners, and the core of the engine is robust and solid and the initial designs in some of the components were the weak link in the chain.
My experience is when you get to 120,000 miles and plug in that $200 deactivate the AFM, what happens is the rattling in the valve train is nothing but terrifing.. I thought my engine was going to explode. I got rid of the GM junk and got a Tundra. 40 years of buying GM and this shit is what they put out. Up yours GM!!!!
The 4.6 and 5.4 were good motor only the 3v had those issues and I have a bone stock 6.0 powerstroke with 420,000 hard miles on her. You either got a good one or a crap one lol no in between with those
As someone who runs a diesel shop and knows the 6.0 very well, they are not perfect, obviously but absolutely not the worst engine by any stretch of the imagination. I do more duramax head gaskets than I do 6.0 head gaskets. For whatever reason, I don't understand, but the head gasket issue on duramaxs has completely flown under the radar it makes no sense. And when it comes to a pre emissions truck, I'd tell you a 04.5-07 6.0 is the best option there is if you want to check the most boxes. The transmission is as good as you can hope for, a lariat or king ranch is a great comfort, and the cost of repairs is actually cheaper than a duramax mainly due to the labor but also the different fuel systems. Now the only engine I haven't talked about is the cummins, and well, that's because literally the only thing good about a dodge is the cummins. The auto and 5 speed manual transmissions are junk, the only decent one is the 6 speed manual. The cab/chassis are junk, the electrical is junk, the front end is junk, and the 5.9s leak like a damn sieve. The duramax is a great truck in general. However, honestly more expensive to repair than a 6.0. My 25 year master tech drives a 6.0 to work everyday, one of my other tenured techs drives a 6.0 every day and my owner drives a 6.0 everyday. People just don't understand the engine and it has gotten such a bad name people just say it's shit without knowing a damn thing about it lol. 9 times out of 10, I can diagnose a 6.0 over the phone just listening to the customer describe the issue they are very simple engines. The 6.4 is absolutely a million times worse than the 6.0 also these engines were made by international not Ford...
I'm old enough to remember when pick ups were affordable, reliable and easy to maintain. Today they're overpriced, unreliable and cost way too much to repair.
Ha! Ha! I'm old enough to remember the old trucks too!!! Love em for nostalgia, but I don't want to go back!!! Now let's remember..... Cold winter morning starting and warm ups, heaters sucked, no air conditioner, fixing points, wet day ignition issues, dim headlights, horrible ride unless you were loaded, and many more!!! I'll keep the new ones!!! But yeah, I love the old ones too! But as toys!!!
@@terrysweitzer6772 I can't afford a new truck. However, in 1992 I drove a brand new V6 Ranger supercab off the lot for $13,000 and beat the crap out of it for twelve years. It always started, was easy to fix, and never let me down. The 2022 Ranger will never come close to that level of reliability, affordablity or even usability.
@@basswars7060 I really can't speak to the new ones, I guess time will tell, but the old rangers were pretty awesome. Had a few quirks, but overall good vehicles. In stock from they would run forever with basic maintenance!
A 2v and a 3v 5.4 are different engines. My 2005 f150 with a 5.4 3v has 303,000 on it with the original drive train. The trick is to take care of your truck and do all the regular maintenance. The truck still had the original calipers at 303,000 until I replaced them with preventative maintenance. It's spent every of its life in salty winters. It's pretty rusty, but the frame is still solid as a rock. The amount of original parts on the truck surprises me.
lol yeah, yet I've seen more that run 250-300k miles.... Two rules, DONT overheat it and the Valve seats wont drop, and CHANGE your oil REGUARLY and you wont have valvetrain issues either. I've had mine for 20 years, zero issues. why? Because I do those two things.
@@NXT_LVL Fair. My question is why could I get 200,000+ miles out of my LA series engines but not that one. I run mobil 1 full every 3000. Perhaps just bad luck?
@@srtmetal7647 sometime bad luck does happen. Mine has 210k and no issues. Been a fantastic engine. And Im a tech at an independent shop and have since 2007 and ive worked on way more 5.4/dod ls/ and hemis then I have had to with 4.7s. Ive probably seen more issues with hemis and 5.4s though then all the other truck engines combined (on the gas side. Diesel is a totally different list lol)
I had an ‘02 1500 with a 4.7. Biggest piece of shit ever made. Regular maintenance meant nothing as it blew head gaskets (due to rampant electrolysis issues plaguing the engine from the start) at 150,000 miles.
Are you referring to the Toyota engine 2UZ-FE? It was in Tundras, 4 Runners, and Lexus sedans. I have a 2004 4runner with this engine.184K trouble-free miles
Had the 4.7 in a Jeep Grand Cherokee.. We had no issues with it, sold it around 180k miles. This replaced a first gen we had with the 5.2. The 4.7 was a bit better on gas, but the 5.2 sure sounded better when you were on the gas. Pretty similar performance between the two. Ok, lunch is over and I'm about to get back in my truck with a gen VI 454. I could complain about the gas it uses but I don't need DEF, and the last part it needed was a $50 crank position sensor 2 years ago! :)
454 heck of a motor. A buddy bought a 1970 Monte Carlo with 454 in about 1978. It was a monster. From a stoplight when he punched it, it felt like a lead weight in my chest, by the next stoplight we were hitting 85mph. Crazy!!!
I put a Mk IV 454 bored .030 over and a forged 4.25 stroke rotating assb. in it making it 489 ci, 10.8:1 comp, dyno 589.6 hp @ 5700 rpm, 600.8tq 4400, Very happy with it in my 68 Malibu
The 4.7l Dakota was a great truck. I miss the sound and high end power of it. Did good for the midsize truck. Towed my camper fine. But the BEST Dakota I've ever had was an 02 quad cab 4x4 with the 5.9l. No electronics throttle junk. Just instant torque and smiles.
I am a fleet mechanic for a public utility. My service area is the southern California desert. The majority of the fleet in my area is Navistar trucks, while I also have a handful of F550 and F150s. Needless to say the blasting hot terrain is punishing to any vehicle. I won't even get started on the 6.0/6.4 diesel since we have mostly phased those out of the fleet. Its like the end of a bad dream. The 6.7 hasn't exactly been trouble free, but its certainly better. Everything mentioned in this video about the 5.4 Triton is true. And I still have about 15 of them in my service area. Most are pushing 200,000 miles and constantly have something wrong with them. The one thing I noticed from the time they were new is the engine is noisy. I have tried different oils especially in the summer when the temperature reaches 115F for weeks at a time. I guess its just a noisy engine. I always thought if I was a customer that owned one, I wouldn't be happy after paying that much money for a pickup.
I have a 2013 f150 with the 5.0. Bought it new and now have 480,000km on it. The only thing I've ever changed on it is plugs, coils and the water pump. And none of those failed. I just did them as maintenance.
@@kurtreynolds1589 He has a 5 liter, as he stated....not a 5.4/3V Triton. Those 5.4 motors were nightmares if you didn't maintain them well. Give me a 5.0 ALL day long...Gen2 Coyote (2106), preferably.🤔
@@kurtreynolds1589 yes in 2012 they made the first generation 5.0 which is effectively the best drive train Ford ever made mated with the 6 speed transmission. The new gen 5.0s have had issues and so have their new gearboxes as well.
The 6.0 Powerstroke is WAY better than the 6.4. Even top Powerstroke guys will avoid a 6.4 like a plague. In fact its the only Ford Diesel I've never , and will not ever, own. The best overall diesel engine in light duty trucks to me is the 5.9 Cummins, specifically the 2003 and early 2004 common rail engines. They had great power , reliability, and fuel economy.
In Winter, when we get our yearly 1 inch snow fall in Seattle, you can take out your Mercedes and see all these wonderful rugged trucks, that can do so much off-road, spun out in a ditch.
I have a 2007 350 xlt 6.0. The truck itself has been awesome and to this day cost me $0.0 dollars in non-maintenance repairs. The 6.0 under the hood is quite another story. I'm into the engine for well over $10,000 in repairs and of course in having ran for more then a month since the last high dollar repair, the HPOP has put the truck on the "completely useless lawn ornament" list until I can afford to blow another $2,000 bucks and a weekend's worth of time to once again fix it so I can drive it for a few more weeks when the next high dollar part is sure to give up. It truly is sad that such a wonderful and very well made truck has such an unbelievably worthless engine in it. How Ford decided to install this boat anchor into such a fantastic truck is nothing short of tragic. Apparently "quality" is no longer "job one".
Smartest Advice!!! DON'T BUY A Late Model Pickup Truck. Find An Older Model With LESS Computerization, And Simpler Components, (Usually Before 2010 According To Our Best Area Mechanic), And Fix The Older Model Up To Use. I Own A 43-Year Old Chevy Square Body With A Carbureted 350 That Has Adequate Power, And There's Enough Room In The Engine Compartment That I Could Crawl Inside Of It And You Could Close The Hood Over Me AND The Engine. Where As With Pickups Today, All You See When You Open The Hood Is A Pile Of Spaghetti Hoses, Tubes And Sensors Stuffed Inside. It's NOT A GIGANTIC Hideous Looking Land Yacht Overloaded With Gadgetry Like They Sell Today. My Oldie Is Simple, Strong, Pretty Reliable And It Does The Job I Need It To Do, With The Heavier BIG 10 Package That Came With It, And Overload Rear Helper Spring I Installed Myself. And I Have NO DESIRE To Be Burning The Tires Off Of It, Like The Juvenile Dick Heads Shown In The Report. It's No Wonder That Their Trucks Don't Last For Sheet...
Yea it just had no real power to speak of. Just sufficient power to move and off road slowly. Same with the 3.4 that replaced it. 3.4 didn't blow the random head gasket though.
Replaced both of mine in two different 5speed 4Runners, same year “1990” one a 4door and one being a rare 2door with the 4.3 V6 chevy using bellhousing adapter. Best thing I did. A lot more power and torque, better fuel economy and still past emissions being reliable. I did this back in the late nineties.
I certainly agree that many car manufacturers recommended oil change intervals are too high (I always stick to 3k to 5k miles myself) but those sludged engines you showed were not maintained on the manufacturer’s schedules. It’s crazy to not do maintenance more in the 5,000 mile range or sooner but it’s takes going way over the recommended schedule to get sludge like that. It’s irrational that as manufacturers have added more components that can’t handle poor maintenance like elaborate cam timing equipment and turbos to super heat the oil that they recommend such sparse maintenance. It’s almost like they don’t want these cars to last. Concerning the 5.4 Fords, with a reasonable amount of maintenance the oil returns being small are a nonissue so saying it’s pointless to rebuild because of them is misleading to people that don’t really understand. The cam phasers did fail often on those but about never if the vehicle was maintained well. The spark plug issue was a real problem that good maintenance couldn’t avoid but could be fixed. All manufacturers for some reason insist on using poor quality bolts on their exhaust manifolds which is such a shame because if they would spend a couple dollars more they could use some chrome Molly bolts that wouldn’t have that problem. My Dad’s F150 has almost 400,000 miles on it and runs like new because it simply got regular maintenance.
With a 5.4 3v with good maintenance can be okay. I’ve done a lot of research on them because I won one lol. I’ve mostly had problems with the o2 sensors and injectors. It gets a worse rep than what it actually is. Not saying it that reliable but are worse engines. It was reliable enough for them to use it from 1997 until 2010
@@louiewatson9389 Chains. (3) Yes, early Northstar engine had head bolt issues and there's the ever present GM gaskets problem. But the two piece crank case is on another level. When anyone puts the Northstar near top RPM under load the forces on the bottom end are huge, and the whole thing is bolted together. GM bolts and engineering ...
I have a 2010 F150 Lariat which I bought new in February 2011. It had 12 miles on the odometer when I got it. It has a 5.4l 3v. It now has 350,000 miles on it. I change the oil every 7500 miles, and only use Mobil 1 since the first oil change. I've driven all over the U.S., highway speeds, city traffic, mountains, Texas summer heat, offroad pipeline right of ways, mud, and snow and ice in Colorado. It has been the best truck I've ever owned by far. At about 300,000 miles, I replaced the timing chain and cam phasers, myself, because the plastic guide broke. While I had it apart, I replaced the roller rockers, just because. I saw none of the sludge that you refer to. Additionally, because I could, I pulled the heads for inspection. No carbon, no visible wear. I serviced the transmission and rear end at 150,000 miles. I have even pulled a 26 ft RV trailer a few times. My intention is to keep this truck forever. My previous F150 also had 350,000 miles when I traded it in for my wife's S80 Volvo. Still going strong. My son is a Ford Master Diesel mechanic. He agrees with the 6.0 problem initially. He called it, job security.
I used to work at a shop and we would have a set limit of three of the 6.0 Power Jokes. I did so many of them that I could take them apart and rebuild them in my sleep. And a note to anybody whoa dealing with one, it's so much easier to pull the cab off then pull the "engine".
All agreed save the 2008 and up 4.7 Mopar. The redesigned cylinder head addressed all the issues mentioned AND upped power by ~33% to boot. Had a 2012 Ram with one and it easily dragged around a 7K + lb trailer.
I owned a 1999 F-150 with a 5.4 Triton engine with a engine built in the Windsor plant and I was very impressed with it! Very strong running engine and it had a P2 aluminum intake manifold instead of the composite plastic manifold. If you are good with maintenance and know what you are doing under the hood of a vehicle they are work horses! I can assure you that you don't want to follow the recommended maintenance schedule and the torque specs call for 18ft pounds to tighten the sparkplugs, But I torqued mine to 28ft pounds and never had a problem with it blowing out sparkplugs. And you should never leave sparkplugs in a aluminum head anywhere near 100 hundred thousand miles! That is why people were breaking off the plugs in the three valve engines.
Have had similar experiences with the several 3 valve 5.4 L F250s I own. 3-4,000 mile oil and filter changes with Mobil 1 synthetic = zero issues in those 185,000 mile units. My 2 valve 5.4 and 2 valve V-10 250 and 350s are worked the same and have been even more durable in the Ford group. As to my other trucks in the fleet I have to say for Diesel power, I rely solely on CAT and Cummins. Indestructible. A word the Ford/Navistar diesel engineers have no knowledge of
I have a 2000 Ford F-150 with a 5.4 Triton. Bought her when she had 100K on the odometer now she has over 325K on it. Been with me for 14 years and she still runs beautifully. I love my Ford F-150 pick up
It was in 2004 when they went to three valves and added the cam phasers that they went to crap. Those 97-03 two valve 5.4 and 4.6 engines are rock solid. Take care of them and they're good for 300-400k miles.
I had the 2nd generation of the inline 5 cylinder in the Colorado/Canyon. It still suffered from misfire issues. Shortly after getting rid of it, I realized the issues may have been related to the fuel injectors. It also was leaking coolant from an unknown location. But otherwise it wasn't bad. At 155k miles, a leak down test showed no issues.
My brother had a Colorado 5 cylinder, that truck deteriorated around the engine. At over 300K, the engine was still running fine,as the truck literally fell apart.
My 3.5 in-line 5 worked great in my Colorado. It was the 06 version when I think the gremlins had been worked out. It wasn’t fuel efficient, but lasted quite a while with no issues other than a couple cheap ignition coil replacements.
This list was legit, for sure. I don't know how there are so many engine problems after 2000 or so. Seems we had non complicated engines figured out in the 80s & 90s. Maybe it's the introduction of "lifetime" fluids and oil change intervals measured in yearly or 10,000 mile time frames. I'm currently trying to buy all the non rusty 90s trucks and cars I can!
Imo, EPA regulations causing the manufacturers to redesign the wheel to get more mpgs while still trying to push the limits of horsepower/torque and win that race. Basically the reason of the switch from the 7.3 powerstroke to the 6.0. That and a combo of cheap material outsourcing probably 🤷♂️
Good idea! The 90s and early 2000s cars are fine. The 014-016 dodge v6 ecodiesel on the list I am not sure about. My friend got 300k at a lifetime 26mpg before he wrecked it. And it towed like a 3/4 ton truck. I'd take that...
@fosterpainter * I have a tacoma with a hole in the side of the block from a rod that went bye bye and a lexus I'm currently putting a very expensive transmission in. Both because previous owners thought the oil and transmission fluids were supposed to be changed at very long intervals. The tacoma has 113k miles!
I bought one, a 2009 F-150 Lariat Crew Cab with all options except heated mirrors, 320 HP, it has never had a problem. Oil has been changed every 3k, I'm probably jinxing myself since everything eventually breaks, but it's over 170k miles at this time. I love my truck.
I agree with this entire list. Like you, I’ve actually owned multiple 4.7 Chrysler engines and they have treated me well, despite so many others having issues. I have a theory that most 4.7 issues are derived from overheating and poor maintenance. I think that 5.0 Cummins that Nissan got was actually designed for Ram originally, but they backed out and opted for the smaller VM motori one since it was more economic and Ram already had the 6.7.
@@IdealMediaChannel I'm nearing 165k miles on my 4.7L H.O. and so far it's been valve stem seals, a water pump, and three broken exhaust manifold bolts.
I bought a ‘99 F250 that had this plug problem. It only occurred once on #3 cyl. It was an otherwise great pickup, and I loved it. I didn’t consider this issue a reason to hate or be disappointed in the truck. Drove it to the dealer on 7 cylinders, and returned home on 8! Kinda angry at the time that I had to buy a new coil (hot gasses got past the plug and melted it)).
I was a fleet maintenance supervisor for 30 years. During the last 20 years of my career our outfit used Ford E150 vans. Basically a F150 in van form. The reason they used them is that I worked for a state entity that had a government discount with Ford. They had the 5.4 litre engine in almost all of them. Everything he said about that engine was absolutely true. Actually the whole vehicle was substandard. The brakes especially. I noticed that he didn't mention the Dodge 5.7 litre hemi. That might be a good thing. I own a Dodge Ram 1500 with one of those in it and it is the best, most powerful and trouble free truck and engine I have ever had.
The 4.2 L at Atlas engine inline 6 isn't bad. I mean I would assume it has the same issues as the 5 cylinder but I've seen those with high mileage and if you twin turbo it's like an American barra
People don't change their damn oil. The VVT solenoid will plug up & starve the crank & other components. Keep the oil clean and these are 300K plus engines.
Over time I've owned quite a few vehicles with "bad" engines in them. I don't really care what the manufacturer has to say about service intervals, if it's conventional oil, 3000mi. If it's synthetic, 5000mi. Never had undue issues with them into the hundreds of thousands of miles. That said, sometimes things fail, but most people I have known claim to have been "just driving normal" and my engine blew up...... This is rare in deed, maybe "just driving normal" but forgot to check and change the oil, or coolant, or air filter for a hundred thousand miles!!! And yes people do this crap!!! Nothing is perfect, but most things these days that make it to production in the auto industry are pretty reliable, (with proper service). BUT, rest assured, there will always be "that guy" you know him.... I was only pulling a trailer 2000lb over the tow rating last weekend, and the weekend before was spinning the motor at the Rev limiter all afternoon in a mud pit, and didn't realize the coolant was low, and the oil had twenty thousand miles on it! I don't know why it blew up, I was just running out for beer and smokes!!!
That’s just what happens, people don’t maintain it and it fails. Then it goes to social media and the haters glom onto it, trying to make it appear as factual. I follow the same oil change intervals as you do and have never had engine problems and I keep my vehicles for a long time and have drove many of the big3 rigs
So true. I've owned plenty of 'unreliable' cars and taken them over 200k. That said, I'd like to get into a new car soon so I can be sure all service is done on time.
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My father in law is a Ford Mechanic and he always says "man I love the 6.0 & 6.4 , I made so much money off those" He had to repair them so often he knew everyone who owned them by name!
Once the Head Bolt issue was fixed and the EGR they were actually pretty bulletproof. Watched a couple turn 12s at the local drag strip in a 6000 lb truck.
The Navistar 6.4 was complete junk and Ford went their own way with the 6.7 which are pretty decent.
But I have a 7.3 which if you look after it can do a million miles . . .
@@dalew801 yup, 7.3 million mile engine, cummins 5.9. 3 million miles
@@jeffro582 Have never heard that . . . but anytime I think my 2001 7.3 is noisey I just stop beside a similar year Dodge with a diesel, then I can't hear mine running . . . lol
Have a friend who pulled 1000 hp out of his 7.3 . . . big spend of course.
@@dalew801 yup Dale, mine is a 2002 24 valve 3/4 ton dodge cummins. It is extra loud after I put 125hp injectors and big turbo etc. Still gets 24.5mpg hwy. 386k miles, still runs like new, no motor work ever done except the injectors and that was for HP. The original ones were fine, of course I've replaced the normal stuff, a starter, an alternator, just replaced the power steering pump. There are a couple of dodge cummins that hotshot Ranger bass boats from near here, they both have way over 1 million on them. A 2001 dodge out of Iowa has over 3 million on his, all hwy miles, he is on the cummins high mileage websight.
@@jeffro582 Pulling down the highway is what they do best . . . what will kill your Diesel Pickup is driving it 5 miles to work everyday. The oil never warms up especially in northern climes.
We get the Diesels at the Drag Stip occasionally . . . usually 6.0 Fords & Dodges . . . they run in the 12s . . . really impressive. Never seen a Chevy though.
If I was looking for a new to me truck tomorrow, I would likely buy an 05 06 F130 Dually . . . find a nice low mileage truck & pay the price.
New stuff now is a pain, fluid, tracking devices etc.
As a 5.7 hemi owner I was holding my breath for the whole video. 😂
Exactly, I thought for sure it would be on the List, the earlier 5.7 hemi is Horrible, valve seats LITERALLY dropping...
They are garbage as well.
Kind of strange many of the earlier 340hp 5.7 hemis came into the shop with 250,000 trouble free miles.... and then some would come in grenaded with only 80k... oh yah, those were the guys that didn't change oil...
@@jeffro582 right, I had the ram service guy tell me that you have to use high quality oil and never go over 5k between changes. He said fleet and police cars would eat lifters and cams because they would go 10k. So far no problems.
@@jwhmerica504 right you are my friend!!
Bought an '07 5.4L Triton brand new. Drove it 275,000 miles in 11 years. Only broke 1 spark plug during that time. Outside of the regularly scheduled maintenance, it cost me less than $1000 in repairs overall. Was a great truck!
I had a 2005 5.4. I sold it to my brother with 276,000 miles on it about two years ago. He now has over 300,000 on it still runs like new my secret. Change the oil frequently use full synthetic. I did hard-core offloading, and some moderate towing never gave me any issues at all.
I got 357,000 out of mine before replacement.
@@dickbonner5601 2007 F-250 just turned 310,000. Heading to dealership for replacement. $8,600.00.
Jasper, Fraser, Ford.
No matter which way you go, that's about what you're looking at for replacement.
Full dress block is around $5,700. 18 hours labor around $2,600 + extra bell & whistle parts. 3 weeks waiting time.
Your friends may say you're nuts to go this route, but it's cheaper to rebuild it than replacing it.
I tell them you get a flat tire, do you sell the vehicle?
Same on a 2003 5.4 Lariat with 229,000 mi as of this week. Had to put an alternator on it at 185,000. Zero sludge under the valve covers. Full synthetic and regular maintenance is all it takes. It got a whopping 9 mpg (ish) around town when it was new and still does. 😀
@@dgsasser they will run, but there's a day it's going to bite the bullet and repower.
F-250's with 8 ft box and extended cab are kinda hard to find 😕.
Shopping 🛍 cart 4 ft box 4 doors are all around, but don't cut it for hauling big items.
@@richardbause2453 I got a 2005 f-250 extended cab long bed for sale 112k miles and it’s a 5.4 running strong
My 2005 5.4 has 296,000 miles. Replaced alternator, fuel pump. Still runs great
I had over 250,000 miles on my 2000 5.4 when I sold it never did anything to it. A friend of mine saw it not long ago its still going with over 300,000 miles.
do not slack on oil changes and use good synthetic and youll be fine.....2006 and up seem to to be the better years mid 2008 and up the plugs were redesigned...
There were 3 motors known to survive. Your engine was 1 of those 3. 🤣
Crazy what happens when you take care of your stuff!
I own a 2000 F150 with 700,000 miles on it. Has the 5.4 Triton, bought new, no issues ever; still putting down great torque and hp. De-greased the engine a few times, replaced the exhaust and intake a few years ago for fun.
All I'm saying is I love my 6.0 E350 van. Tow 10K lbs trailer to race tracks all over the east cost and still doing great. Oh, I bought the van for $2.5K and kept up with the maintenance after I got rid of the EGR stuff. Rebuild the turbo with a wicked wheel. The van is pretty solid now.
Even just watching the introduction, I know that the 5.4 3 Valve Triton V8 is first on the list.
My 3 valve has 240,000 original miles and pulls a trailer daily. It's a work horse and I'd buy another one over any chevy
My 3 valve went 265k without ever pulling a valve cover. Just routine maintenance, brakes, and ball joints. Purred til the day a garbage truck hit it and totaled it.
even just reading the title I know the 5.43v triton V8 is on the list. and at the TOL
engine makes sludge? dumbest thing i ever heard. simple truth. if you change your oil every 5k, change your plugs every 80 to 100k( excess carbon on the antifouler causes it to break off)and dont mind the phaser knock you can drive these things for 200k or more, put a ford timing set in them and drive them another 200k. dont take advice from someone who thinks engines "make" sludge. fyi my buddies honda civic just spit a plug and had to be helicoiled and another buddies 6.0 chevy spit a plug acwhile back and had to be helicoiled. its more of an aluminum head thing going on extended entervals. retourqe or change every once few years.
Never understood this all 5 between me and my buddies were bought used, driven hard as fuck, never washed , used as mud trucks , farm trucks , field trucks and all of them had over 400,000km -500,000km . Some of them were F250's some F150's . Some 2wd some 4wd . Crew cab , 3 door . Step side , style side . They weren't powerful , manifolds all rotted off but they all ran just fine up till they got scrapped due to holes in the floors , boxes falling off and frames snapping in half.
I worked with a guy that was a Ford dealership tech for 17 years. He quit a year or so after the 6.0 came out. He said plenty of them would show up dead off the transporter, and because they had such a cramped engine bay he always got stuck working on them since he was the skinniest guy there. After a while he said no more...
The 6.0 worked well as a boat anchor for a sea going vessel
complete BS - our 2003 Excursion had the 6.0 - it had a FEW MINOR issues (never cost us more than $100.00) in repairs. the 6.0 WAS GREAT and would go down the road FAST!
@@jeffro582 stupid answer. did you have one?
Ford didnt bring these engines to my country in f250, instead they brought a 4.2 mwm (most comum) and 3.9 cummins engines, they brought some gasoline engines too (but it was a total flop), but sometimes we replace the engines for a 5.9 cummins or 6.0 om366 mercedes engines
The powerstroke series came in Ford ranger here (3.0), but it didnt last long, It was replaced for an 2.8 mwm engines, nowadays ranger came with a 3.2 5 cyl cummins engine
Those who do this for a living put 3 engines at the bottom of their lists. The Ford 5.4 3 valve, the 6.0 diesel, and the 6.4 diesel. There will never be a Ford truck in my parking space.
My uncle actually had the ecodiesel, and it too had a conplete engine failure stranding him and my aunt halfway across the country. They were just towing their ultralite camper (not pushing the tow limit by any means), and on their trip home it started slowly losing power til finally the dash lit up. He even had the oil changed right before the trip.
Other uncle had the Ford 6.0, blew up on him and cost $5500 to fix. He even did all the bulletproofing fixes on it
Guess I'm a lucky one, my 04 f150 triton v8 has been awesome. Over 250k miles, pulls my 8500 lb camper with ease, and have yet to have any issues. But I always say its how well you take care of them. Never ever pass 5k for new oil, every 50k gets new plugs, and so on. Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.
Thats because its a 2v. It will run forever if maintained.
Heres a real story about what changing oil frequently will do for an engine.
I pulled a 1971 429 Ford engine in a wrecking yard in 2017 which had a 3x oil pan plug in it, likely indicating VERY frequent oil changes. While it may have been some boob that didnt know how to properly tighten an oil drain plug, the fact that there was ZERO sludge and virtually no varnish in this engine would support my suspicion of very frequent oil changes.
.The 5 digit odometer had gone around at least once, and when I tore it down, the original cylinder hone pattern was still visible in parts of all cylinders, the cylinders had under .004 taper, and that was with the service SE and SF motor oils of the 1970s/80s. While those oils were inferior to todays oil in many ways, (especially resistance to high temperature breakdown), they did contain zinc anti wear additives which is something modern oils do not have, thanks to the miserable EPA
I reused the original 10.5/1 pistons with a hone job and new rings.
@@MrZilla500 2004 has the 3 valve last year of the 2 valve was 2003
I know people that have '04 Titans that are doing just fine I have one in my '12 Expedition but change my oil regularly and coolent before 30000 miles so I've seen good ones.
Have 271 on my 06 5.4 3 valve great engine nothing wrong with it
My ex-Ford 2004 F250 had the trident 5.4. Before it had hit 180k miles, it had spit out spark plugs two times. Course that would take out the coil mounted above the cylinder as well. I firmly believe that Ford should have restituted owners of these motors.
Same problem on my 2002 Ford van.
You had a 3 valve. I had a 04 Excursion with the same engine same problem. I now have a 03 f150 with the 5.4 2 valve. It's a much better and stronger engine.
@@neilabernath5862I had the same vehicle and left mine on the side of the road.
As bad as the 6.0L powerstroke is, the 6.4L powerstroke was actually worse. The 6.0L might be expensive to make reliable, but at least you can make it reliable while still keeping them emissions legal. The only real way to make a 6.4L reliable is to exclusively use low sulfur diesel, follow the maintenance schedule to a T, and delete the emissions system. Unfortunately, as we all know, the latter is hella illegal and can get you in some serious trouble if you get caught.
That, & when tuned right the 6.0 & 6.4 can make 700-800hp then maybe 1000hp from a 6.4.
Completely agree. The Ford 6.4 was an absolute failure
@@michaelbenoit248 the stock bottom end on both trucks can withstand about 800rwhp
I had a buddy who bought an F350 with the 6.0l with the intention to do all the mods to make it reliable. He found a nice one with a really good price. When he went to look at it, all the mods were done, and the owner knew what he had. He just wanted to sell a good reliable truck for a correct price. My buddy bought that in 2014. He’s still got that truck.
It's not illegal in Kansas and several states, there are no inspections, and no real enforced emissions, meaning straight pipes and blowing coal is okay here.
Funny thing is I have an 07 F150 with a 3v 5.4 and 235k miles. Not a single issue and cam phasers quiet as a mouse queef.
I owned a 6.0 but did not abuse it or modify it and it lasted very long and perfectly fine. Also those were made by International. The actual Ford in-house 6.7 has been pretty successful and immensely powerful.
I just did the water pumps, plural, in an f550 with a 6.7 it was stupid. Probably take an average person 4-6hr to change the belt. Found 5 other coolant leaks in the process and the weird addition to the intake had a torn rubber coupler. I liked the motor untill I worked on it. Won’t own one now.
I've had 3 F-150s over a 32 year period, all 5.0 engines. Loved them all. A 1990 dual tank full size bed, a 1999 Lariat and presently a 2017 XLT. The 5.0 engine is probably the best truck engine for the F-150.
Lack of maintenance or improper maintenance is the biggest issue with those Dodge/Jeep 4.7s and 3.7s. Cheap oil and late oil changes are especially common. When maintained properly they can be really good for a long time.
had a 4.7 dakota. put 150k on it with zero problems. 3k oil changes.
@@kurtzimmerman1637 My dad has an 09 Ram 4.7 with around 160k on it currently and it has had no major mechanical issues. My grandmother has an 02 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 4.7 also. It has 170k on it, also no major mechanical issues. Maintenance is key.
Agreed. My '03 Dakota has 175K miles on it, and gets oil changed at 5,000 miles or less with Valvoline full synthetic high mileage oil and a NAPA Gold filter. Fires right up even in 35 below (F) and really hasn't needed much in the way of repairs (cam position sensor and TPS went out around 150k).
I have over 300000 on my 3.7
Got 1997 trucks with both, engines 280k and 180k respectively the transmissions are a bigger concern in those trucks as long as you change your oil
I work at a vw/audi shop and there are similar issues, however our dedicated customers who only come to us don’t have a lot of issues because we use liqui moly instead of castrol and change the oil at 1/2 the interval the dealer recommends. Basically most of your problems can be solved by using a synthetic oil that isnt castrol or mobil and changing it at 7500km instead of 10-15,000km
The GM Atlas engines are just fine if people simply change the oil like you're supposed to. I have 245K on mine and it is smooth, quiet, & still burns no oil. That is not a design failure.
Same here. 287,000 plus miles and counting.
I was surprised to see it on here. I have 230,000 miles on mine a person I know has 400,000.
@@bricewhitehill9610 I know right? Mines an 07 Colorado and its awesome!
So many engines have 200k tho
Scotty even says it’s a good engine
Miss the smaller trucks of the 90s, Now they are big and overpriced
Like the original Ranger...
I wish I could buy a brand new 1980 Toyota 4x4 pick-up or a new 1985 chevy 4x4 pick-up!!!
They are daddy station wagons!!
@@ggreene245 I have two Rangers. A 1995 and a 1999. You can't find a good 90's model for sale. The new Maverick XLT is as close as it gets to the older models. I plan to order one for the wife. (when I can).
Small trucks are finally making a comeback. Hyundai and Ford have them, Toyota is rumored to soon join.
I was a Paramedic and our company had a 30 ambulance fleet and in 2006 they switched from the Ford diesel to the the V10 gas because the diesel failed constantly
My dad has a 2003 F150 with the Triton 4.6 v8 and it has had zero issues in 110,000 miles, and it still has the factory plugs.
Ooh that's why they spit plugs.he is going to halfto replace them eventually.they become so seized that the aluminum head threads come out with the spark plugs. they make the helicoil kit for when they are stripped out.still a simple fix in comparison to all these other pojs
I'm a MoPar guy and I'm surprised the 2003-2008 5.7 Hemi wasn't an honorable mention at least...get it hot and it would drop a valve seat...get it warm and it would drop a valve seat...heck look at it funny and it would drop a valve seat. I drive a 75 D100 with a 318 It has over 200k miles...the lifters complain when it starts but I think it deserves it.
I had a 2004 Dakota with the 4.7. That was a great truck! 10 years and 150,000 miles nearly trouble free. Just a water pump and regular maintenance.
The 5.3 Chevy V8 without deactivation is a beast though. I had one in my 05' Silverado, Z vin, flex fuel. I fixed so many suspension, brake, fuel line, and body mount issues, but never once opened up the engine. It was an incredible powerplant. Just deactivate the cylinder deactivation and you're good. Just be sure to get the unlimited wash package because the frame will rot quick.
That's a lie soldier
@@wildestcowboy2668 es probably talking about up in the day belt. They all rot up there
Had an 07 classic that literally wouldn't die. Went through 4x4 transmissions ,but never engine problems
@@mikewhite3123 they we um good back then!!
@@mikewhite3123 You probably had an 06, by 2007 it all changed.
I have a 2005 F150 with the 5.4, sitting at 206k miles now, all original, no major repairs, just regular maintenance.
I would certainly avoid the 5.4L 3 valve Triton engines as they really suffered from the sludge issues, but my '97 4.6L 2 valve has been quite good with just over 213k. I did have to put head gaskets in it which was a pain, but to be fair, I did overheat it prior to their failing.
Man I wish I'd seen this video before I'd accumulated 420,000 on my 2006 5.4 F150. With minimal repairs.
I know 2-3 construction workers that have 350k+ miles on them, regular maintenance repairs, but I also know about 10 other people, that have had trouble with them, spark plugs, cam phasers, cams, manifold issues.
Honestly.. I think the 5.4 motors are decent IF maintenance schedules are followed. If not.. absolutely junk. The problem is people, not the motor.
318k and running on my 04 Lariat!!!
Also, only issues since buying it has been a dead battery and the spark plug breaking issue, which with the kit and a compressor is a simple fix.
255k on my 5.4l before the whole inside got torn up. Didn’t drive it but 15 miles after a guy replaced the timing chain for $2,600 and it broke and the whole engine got demolished.
Working at a Ford Dealership years back, I saw more than a few of the Early 2.7 EcoBoost V6’s in stalls with not whole lotta miles on them (40 to 70k generally). The newer ones seem quite a bit better, but the 2015-17’s would be wise to avoid.
I think anything EcoBoost if awful, Mustangs are up there too, my Bro bought a GM Evoque SUV and had problems after 8 months. Engineers come out of college and make suggestion for shorter downpipe lower center of gravity. Mount the Turbos next to the engine block so close upto 1/8 of an inch. Turbos get up to 1,875 degrees F: engine goes to 225 degrees F without a Heat Sheild between them it's a recipe for disaster. I wound up buying a 2022 Roush Mustang with the 6 Speed Manual Transmission 🧑🏻🦱👍🏻🏎️🏁
I test drove a 2019 ecoboost mustang because i was thinking about trading in my 22 elantra n line because I always wanted a mustang, i wasnt impressed and kept the n line. The eb mustang will 0-60 faster but is sluggish at first because of how heavy it is. In city traffic where the speed limit is 25-35 and you constantly stop and go that mustang felt sluggish. I have a 2.7 eb v6 f150 with 136k miles I have had no issues with. I change my oil at 4k though
Is the 2015 3.5 L v6 any better than the 2.7L ?
@@surmatise I would only buy the 5.0 Mustang or buy an N/A Chevy Camaro or Colorado V6 or C7 Corvette
Wouldn't buy C8 due to Automatic Transmission Paddle Shifters
@@ChasingDifferentAdventures i was looking at a 4 cyl because I wanted something better on gas for a daily driver than my f150 and didnt realise the msrp of an eb mustang is only like $1000 more than the msrp on my n line until after I bought the n line. I will probably buy a v8 at a later time though I dont like the 2024 mustang look it looks like ford put a shark face on a challenger and changed the taillights a bit
90% of all 5.4 3 valve triton issues come to owners neglect. Lack of oil changes combined with 30 dollar oil changes when they finally decided its due (cause it's making noise) it's tooooooo late.
How do you neglect the spark plugs threads from stripping out on their own and the plugs from then popping out of the heads?
@@chrisw5837 that comment shows what you know. The 2 valve mod motors had that issue. As a mechanic i saw that issue after someone had replaced the spark plugs, not from oem. Now the 3valve mod motors, they usually break the spark plugs off in the head.
I had a 2007 suburban with the 5.3 with the cylinder shutdown system. My private mechanic was surprised that I got 247,000 miles. Most engines was lucky to make 160,000. But since most people traded in before hand it never really got identified. My easy fix. Kept the same vehicle. Dropped an 01 to 06 configured engine ie. full time V-8. Interesting part. My old engine was lucky to get 16. I now get just under 20. It also keeps constant power when pulling my boat which eliminated my transmission from dropping to lower gears. My solution: Go the extra mile with your older vehicles keep them pristine. Re-paint when needed and keep the upholstery/interior replaced from time to time. Total cost for my engine/transmission. $12,000.00. Cost of buying a new Suburban $130,000 when you got to consider interest rates property taxes, sales taxes etc over a six year loan. Not to mention average depreciation per year of $15,000.00. My suburban resale value is $8,000.00. So no depreciation best case as everything keeps going up I can only appreciate from here.
Older 5.3 are great engines. I bought my rust free 02 Silverado for 4000 in 2011. It was a Texas truck and I'm in Chicago so first thing I did was paint the underside with polyester primer and clear coat. Then I bought HP Tunes and made downshifts easy and leaned out the bottom end and richened the top end to go to 6000rpms. Had to get stainless steel brake lines a few years ago. At 290,000 miles I wouldn't trade for a brand new one they have tranny problems anyway.
@@SoundsLegit71 I'm in TX and have owned a 00 Silverado 5.3 since new. It has 290k. I put a new oil pump (preventative) and replace exhaust bolts last year. I think I can just keep replacing parts for the next 20 years and it will still be going strong. How to screw up a great engine. GM - let me work on that.
My ‘02 Tahoe with the 5.3 is awesome. We paid 4K for it with only 150k on it. It’s over 200k now with basically nothing done to the entire vehicle except routine maintenance. It’s not stunningly powerful but it gets the job done. I have used it to tow my theee horse slant load trailer when my truck was down and it did fine.
My 2500 suburban with the 6.0 from 2004, now has 212k and is still going strong. Waterpump,alternator, fuelpump, and ex manifold studs. That's it. 7 more years, and it's a classic.
Big fan of pushrod V8 without AFM, DOD, or whatever else they call that cylinder deactivation system.
The non-AFM GM 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 engines are some of the most reliable gas engines you could ever hope to own. I've seen *so* many go over 400k miles. I have a 2007 that's an AFM but it's disabled, it has 280k and runs great.
@@Bloodbain88 yes sir. That AFM crap only works in the lab anyway. It's useless for 99% of us. It hurts fuel economy more than anything. Not to mention it's a ticking timebomb.
My chevy express has a 6.6 with oodles of power and speed
And it has no AFM or anything else... i agree with you... that stuff is trash
That is why it is perfect for me
I’m a TRX owner and always had Rams , never ever did they let me down ! I was a Ford owner as well but they just weren’t built as well so I switched .
It would be a lot of fun with a "worst suspensions in luxury sedans" episode.
I Agree
Most uncomfortable luxury car
Lol agreed
Pretty much every modern "luxury" car.
Best would be interesting too. I had a '56 Packard with 4 wheel torsion bars and a small motor that would twist the rear ones to auto-level them. That thing handled great for a 50's car. I think it was just to heavy and big for most packaging requirements. The front torsion bars went from the crossmember to right in front of the rear wheels! About 10 foot long torsion bars.
I had a 2003 6.0L Ford TurboDiesel. Your calling it the "worst truck engine of all time" is an understatement.
I'd put the 6.4 powerstroke on the list over the 6.0. The 6.0 in its International trim (for school busses) did not suffer from the issues the F series engines did because the emissions standards are different. Due to those differences, the f series engines ran hotter and used the STUPID "inductive heating" that burns out the FICM and all of that was FORD adding these things to the design after International received the engine design from Renault. The oil filter/cap issue (where Ford filters don't fit with aftermarket caps) allowing oil to pass unfiltered through the engine and the EGR/oil cooler issues plagued these engines.....again ONLY on the F series engines. The 6.4 was designed as a throw away engine and all kinds of shortcuts were made. When one thing wears out (like the rockers), something else is right on the edge of failure as well, and the parts are INSANELY expensive (if you can get them). The 6.0 had its issues, but I'd take one any day before I'd take a 6.4
First thing I've read where they new what they were talking about. Even remotely. The rush to comply with emissions aside from ford wanting to decide design over international after the great 7.3. we had Detroit engineers fly out to the first shop I was out just to catch up on first year F series 6.0 probs. But soccer mom syndrome seemed to effect more than the turbo. I'm not sure about a 6.0 or 6.4 I couldn't afford either but 6.0 without emissions on it n one hand or cab off & on I can do much faster with 6.4
LOL, My 5.4 has almost 300,000 miles ... I changed the plugs myself once. and the intake manifold at 200,000 miles. I have used synthetic oil from day one and love my truck .
275,000 on mine. If you use full synthetic and change every 4,000 to 5,000 miles, it solves the sludge problem, which was the cause of the other failures.
I know fleet vehicles where the mechanics that drive them drive like old grandpa (because they are) that service the engine like they should and have over 400,000 miles on them.
The problem is conventional oil, which causes the carbon build up that causes all the problems
And those spark plugs in the earlier models, remove them when the engine is hot.
Every plan has a fluke! It wasn't engineered to last that long, you we're lucky!
I own a 2004 5.4L 2V F250 Truck. A 19 year old Ford Truck that still looks like new and has never had any internal damage. Oil changed every 3000 miles since new. I have zero complaints
Toyota guys are like I’m sharing this video with all my domestic truck owning friends 😂. Also, I can just here Scotty Kilmer laughing right now with an emoji of a horse in the top right for corner
scotty kilmer the guy that killed people telling them to use comp fittings on brakes…yeah, you follow him you’re just as much as a moron as he is.
i’ll gladly pass you by in my gen 2 4.7 while your crap tacoma is in half on the side of the road because the frame snapped due to rust though 😂
I cut my teeth as a mechanic out of school working on almost nothing but ford 6.0 and 6.4L diesels, just constant warranty work for the most part. It was so frustrating doing all this work knowing that Ford's fixes were not providing many solutions. Did two bedplates a week, a cab off engine out operation, with my partner for the most part in addition to a lot of the little stuff you mentioned. Sometimes customers would have bulletproofing mods and that was always a relief to see!
My dad in laws 1997 Mercury Mountaineer went to the great junkyard in the sky after barely clocking 72k miles. He changed the oil every 3-4K miles, and one day just overheated and warped the block, and all over. My 1991 Mazda Navajo (2 door Explorer) was a decent vehicle. Gotta say after all the Jeeps, Fords,etc. the best SUV I had, with the least problems and great 4WD system was my 1997 Isuzu Trooper, never a problem and never stuck in the worst road conditions.
The 98 had the spark plug issue. Had one, just put a 99 engine in it. My 05 has the 3v 5.4 in it. It has 274000 miles on it! I pull campers, trailers, car trailers with it! I see a dozen of them every time I go to town! If they were in Chevys they would be the best thing since sliced bread!
A 5.4 ? Lol no. 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 chevy vortev/LS is a much better motor....
What in cousin-fuckin’ tarnation Alabama Betty Crocker Miss fuckin Betty White shit is this?
@@trey8543 I don't know? Do you have cross eyed decendants!?
I would have to argue that the 5.3 is a rock solid engine with the AFM delete. Easily a 300K engine with basic maintenance once you get rid of the AFM
Afm/dfm have not panned out as GM planned.
Yeah my pre AFM has 260k still runs like new no check engine lights
I have an 07' 5.3. What is an AFM?
300K is my first service.... I do another one at 600k if I'm not busy
@@powskier it's a new type of radio
The thing is, 6.0L powerstrokes never need to be repaired. The owners only do "upgrades". These upgrades include VGT turbochargers, VGT solenoids, downpipes, head studs, head gaskets, low pressure oil pump, oil pump cover, high pressure oil pumps, stand pipes, oil rail seals, injectors, FICM, FICM connectors, engine wire harness, cam sensor, crank sensor, IPR solenoid, ICP sensor, oil cooler, egr cooler, egr valve, oil pan bed rail gasket, and front crank seal to name a few.
I still have my 2006 6.0 and everything that can be bulletproofed or deleted has been done. It is currently down again and awaiting me getting around to fixing it again. I have spent more in repairs over the years than I paid for the truck new.... smh
I used to work for navistar and right from one of the engineers mouths the head gasket only plegged some engines. What happened had happened was when they were machining the blocks, they did not change the mill bit soon enough so the last few blocks before they would change bits would come out with wavy block decks, which in turn caused the bolt stretch issue
Plegged?
Plegged
To be shamed or embarrassed.
@@adamsmiths3016 he meant to type plagued, not plegged
@@Whateva67 no poop emoji
Could have just left the L out of Plegged and that would have gotten the point across.
Kinda have to chuckle at your 6.0 review. You were correct in the statement that if one follows the service recommendation, it's pretty trouble free. I have an 06 dually that has an oil change every 6,000 miles and a fuel filter every other oil change. With the advent of low sulphur fuel, it gets 8 oz of Power Service fuel supplement every fill up. No, I've never had it "bullet proofed" or modified in any way. The trucks major mission in life is to pull a 5th wheel trailer all over the USA. Gotta admit that it was interesting watching the boost gauge going up through the Rocky's. The truck has been basically trouble free with the only major misfunction being when mice chewed through the vacuum lines. 17 years of enjoyment. Now that I've said that I'll probably start having problems...
I think throwing a tune at them, driving the hell out of it, and poor maintenance is what killed most of them.
Compared to the previous 7.3 the 6.0 doesn’t really like being run wide open under load for an extended time. I think quite a few were used to the older engines that didn’t make as much power, but would take full throttle for hours on end. With the 6.0 it helps to have a little mercy on it and not just pull as hard as it can all the time.
If you got an unlucky one it’s still likely to have problems. But, abusing one at all really quickens the destruction.
I have a 6.0 and like it a lot. I would have felt cheated buying 1 new. However, buying one used cheap and spending the money to fix it ended up being a good deal for me. At the end of the day, I think it comes down to total cost. For me it worked out.
Hell yea, spent 12.5 on a mint ‘06 Lariat with 170k and have maybe put 3-4 in preventative maintenance in the past 2 years with zero issues, I’ll take it all day
How many videos do we need on the same topic? I gotta admit I've definitely worked on a LOT of 5.4 3vs but 100% of the time it was always extremely poor maintenance. And once you've worked on a few honestly they're really simple engines.
someone who knows the real reason they fail
I believe most people that get the 5.4 3V are coming over from a pushrod and never owned a overhead cam engine in their life...therefore they're changing oil way too late...because that's what most people do with pushrods anyway! Any motor SOHC/DOHC needs oil changes religiously...if people were to do that they probably wouldn't have issues!💯💯💯💯💯
I have a 2009 platinum 5.4 3 valve. it's solid and I run synthetic regular oil changes. I have heard that 2009 was the last and best year for that engine.
I can guarantee that virtually no one who talk crap about the 5.4 3v engine has actually seen the inside of one.
@@fakebrake 2010 was the last year of the 5.4 3v engine. I have one and love it.
Agree with the 4.7 personal experience. Bought a 2000 Durango with 65k on it. Drove it to 256k. replaced typical thing (tuneups) and replaced the Injectors once, radiator once and A/C Compressor once. Other than that I didnt have a SINGLE issue with it. Towed pretty good too. Also came equipped with the optional Roof A/C. Sold it 3 years ago for $2k. Wish I woulda kept it but heard they were a nightmare to rebuild.. Defiantly miss that SUV. Got a 91 Bronco now though so Im happy again
I lost a rod in a 99 jeep on the limiter, on ice, while making out with my girlfriend… motor still ran for awhile. Looked clean when I tore it down to confirm. had 3 wj’s and my biggest problem was breaks.
This list just makes me love my 7.3 OBS Ford F-350 all the more.
The 7.3 is a legend.
lol as a mechanic the ford engines always kept steak & potatoes on my dinner table. the name ford as an acronym spelled backward is as follows: Driver Returning On Foot... the sledging issue was an easy fix high flow oil pumps & cut the oil changes to 1/2 the distance so if the manual said 7000 miles do it at 3500, oil is cheap change it often or you can come to see me for some costly repairs.
@@71torinoman that's a lot cheaper than an overhaul $2000 + labor get my drift
@@71torinoman also there's a little trick we used on our engines replace 1 quart of oil with 1 quart of trans oil it will clean up the oil passageways as it's a solvent-based lubricant. But don't run that oil mix any longer than 1000 miles we would do that every 3rd. oil change.
You mean First on race day bro. Been driving and racing mustangs for years, no issues,beating the shit out of them. Not afraid of changing the cam phasers on a5.4 either. 90% bullshit right here. And I daily Jeep wranglers, once my horn broke.
When you're the proud owner of a 2010 F150 with the 5.4L Triton and you're just waiting and praying you don't need to put a new engine in it yet but a new engine is still cheaper than a new truck.
I am happy to see the Toyota 3 VZ-E on this list. The exhaust cross over is routed above the transmission putting alot of heat at the back of the valve covers and right near the corner of the head
Makes it a pain in the butt to access the top engine-to-transmission bolts. Ive pulled many Toyota V-6s for either repair or replacement.
As a Toyota fan I approve this message. But lots of people love that motor still, even more than the 5vz-fe motors. I dunno why
Back in the mid 1980's I owned a Rover 825 Turbo that had a 2.5 litre VM turbo diesel engine in it, I thought the car was pretty fast as standard but I did a few things to increase the power and when I put the car on a rolling road dyno I was pleased to see 167 hp at the wheels! This gave the car an easy cruising speed of over 120 mph road conditions permitting and being as I often used the car for long distance driving, the long range of a diesel and the high cruising speed came in very handy, I once drove from my home in Gloucestershire UK to Lisbon Portugal, a trip of 1644 miles and averaged 99 mph overall including the ferry crossing at Dover and fuel stops and even a few short breaks for food and coffee. The Italian made VM engine was great and never let me down, it seemed to be completely bullet proof as well as economical and very drivable, the Rover rusted away long before the engine wore out and when I sold it the buyer bought the car just for the engine which he planned to use in a boat project..
99 mph on the ferry
That impressive mate👍
@@hisinvisibleness yes! It is!
Rotax, youre full of it 🤡
@@pappete9988 If I were you I'd think the same thing, I kept that Rover at 120-130 the whole trip because in those days there was no speed measurement between the tolls and I never had to stop at any of the tolls as I had a Tag, I'd done the drive several dozen times previously in various fast cars and I knew the way and had got good at that kind of high speed long distance driving, the Rover beat the average speed of a 400 hp Prodrive Subaru WRC car I was delivering to a rally team in Lisbon which was second fastest at 97 mph and the difference was due to getting all the lucky breaks on one trip with the Rover like the ferry leaving 5 minutes after I boarded etc and the incredibly long range. This was 25 years ago
Mph? In the UK? Are you sure you don't mean KPH?
My neighbor, back in 2001, had a Buick Skylark from the mid 80's that he ran 50,000 miles without changing the oil or filter. Not sure which engine it had and he didn't say if he ever added any oil. I thought he was crazy, but he only paid a couple hundred dollars for it and got at least five years with no maintenance or breakdowns. I think it may be the only Buick that ever did that well.
Probably a 3.8 six
Stock 6.0 300k miles no major issues. Other than stuff breaking because it’s almost 20 years old. If you tune them and beat on them you will have issues.
You're one in a million. Congrats.
Yeh I agree, you should get a trophy or at least 3x 100,000 mi hat's.....
To my understanding the 03/04 6.0 had some major issues. But the 05,06, and 07 were corrected. I knew a older fellow that my brother worked for that had a 06 that he never tuned, bulletproofed or hot rodded it, he maintained his truck and used it for work. He pulled trailers for his construction business. Last i knew my brother worked for him, he was still riding the same truck.
The last one, the old Toyota 3.0 V6, in my experience the truck itself wasn't bad but that engine trouble explains why various engine swaps are so popular.
I had 2 of them, 93 and 94, never had an issue, always ran Castrol... and got high miles over 300k. Got lucky 😀
The lack of low end torque never went away haha. The 3.4L 5VZ and the newer 1GR 4.0L and 2GR 3.5L engines are also known for having basically zero low end torque. The 2GR in my Tacoma definitely needs to be revved to the moon to get any power, but it loves to rev unlike the old 3.0
@@mrvwbug4423
1 gr is decent compared to others in the segment (3.8, 3.6 pentastar, vq40)
@@Agent.K. It feels like the 2GR in my Tacoma, minus the top end punch of the 2GR, just as flat down low. 3.2 Pentastar feels virtually identical to the 2GR while the 3.6 Pentastar has a fair bit more punch down low than the GRs or the 3.2 pentastar. I've not driven the new Nissan 3.8, but I've heard it's pretty lifeless and may be slower than the VQ40 despite having 45hp more. The 2.3 ecoboost in the Ranger is the best motor I've personally driven in the segment, though I suspect the 2.7 turbo in the next gen Colorado/Canyon will be a beast.
@@mrvwbug4423
Don’t you think gearing plays a big role? For example manual vq40 feels very different than an auto.
I got 374,000 miles out of my hard working '97 1 ton extended Ford Triton 5.4 Van, and never had any engine trouble. It had 150,00 on it when I bought it. It had been used as a handicap van before me. It never leaked, or burn any oil excessively., But I was a fanatic at changing oil , and did all the routine maintenance my self. The leaks were so minor they didn't even mess up my driveway. I packed it full of heavy carpet every day, and used in for camping, fishing on week ends, and long family road trips and it still ran strong till the day I sold it because of too much rust. I loved that thing, best motor I've ever had!!
I have a 2005 f150 with the 5.4, 3 valve. It has 217,000 miles. I have kept the oil changed, tuned up, and engine cleaned.
Now the transmission is another story.
My point is , you keep it maintained, it will go the distance.
Yeah the magic miracle sludge that randomly show up on a maintained 5.4 3v is total bullshit. I have 237k on mine, totally sludge free.
Mine has 187k not a problem with sludge. Did have the spark plug problem to get stuck in there and break off.
Here I am, just glad the Chrysler 5.7L Hemi didn't make the list. Lifter tick smifter tick...lol. Seriously though, 267,549 on the clock and still running like a champ....knock on wood.
I was watching for him to say it. I’ve got a 2020 ram and I’m religious about high-quality oil changes and never going over 5000 miles in between. So far it’s been a great truck.
I had a 2005 Colorado 5 cylinder, never had any problem with that engine, and I traded it in 2019 for a Ford F 150 3.5 Ecoboost twin turbo, I love it also.
08 Nissan Titan pro4x owner her. It's the best full size truck I've ever owned and I use mobile 1 synthetic with no issues on a motor that had 66,000 miles when I bought it in 2010. It's pushing 380,432mil and still pulls strong. I think proper maintenance is part of making any engine last long except for poor engineering like mentioned in this video.
Always thought Nissan V6s were better engines than their Toyota counterparts, especially the 3.0s
I work at a dealer and we have a guy that owns 5 Titans with the 5.6 V8. 2007 with 568,000, 2011 with 488,000, 2013 with 311,000, 2015 with 287,000 and his personal 2017 with 266,000 miles. Never had an issue with any of them other than 1 transmission in the 2013. The 5.6 is a monster
The Nissan built gas V8 engines are tough, powerful, reliable engines. The Cummins built diesel in the Titan seemed to be the problem child. Nissan generally builds solid motors.
@@donreinke5863 Ditto!
@@donreinke5863 i like the 3.8 more than the 3.0 personally. Hell Nissan has one in the Tennessee HQ with a million miles on it. Only thing it had done was a timing chain at 566,000 miles.
Used to own multi ford vehicles with pushrod 302 engines. They are the best.
Sbf all day!
I have 253k on my Triton: Oil changes and replacing parts with Ford OEM redesign parts as needed. A lot of the issues with this engine were fixed with part redesigns: rocker arms, spark plugs, 4wd solenoid, lash adjusters, phasers, Melling oil pump, and Melling tensioners, and the core of the engine is robust and solid and the initial designs in some of the components were the weak link in the chain.
The vvl LS engines are actually good if you buy the 200 dollar ECU OBD2 plugin that keeps them from deactivating cylinders 😁
My experience is when you get to 120,000 miles and plug in that $200 deactivate the AFM, what happens is the rattling in the valve train is nothing but terrifing..
I thought my engine was going to explode.
I got rid of the GM junk and got a Tundra.
40 years of buying GM and this shit is what they put out.
Up yours GM!!!!
I just mechanically deleted mine when rebuilt it . Waiting on programmer now can't wait
@@vectorjiu-jitsu955
How many miles did it have on it before the rebuild?
The 4.6 and 5.4 were good motor only the 3v had those issues and I have a bone stock 6.0 powerstroke with 420,000 hard miles on her. You either got a good one or a crap one lol no in between with those
Correct. Just the 5.4 3 valves are 🗑️
As someone who runs a diesel shop and knows the 6.0 very well, they are not perfect, obviously but absolutely not the worst engine by any stretch of the imagination. I do more duramax head gaskets than I do 6.0 head gaskets. For whatever reason, I don't understand, but the head gasket issue on duramaxs has completely flown under the radar it makes no sense. And when it comes to a pre emissions truck, I'd tell you a 04.5-07 6.0 is the best option there is if you want to check the most boxes. The transmission is as good as you can hope for, a lariat or king ranch is a great comfort, and the cost of repairs is actually cheaper than a duramax mainly due to the labor but also the different fuel systems. Now the only engine I haven't talked about is the cummins, and well, that's because literally the only thing good about a dodge is the cummins. The auto and 5 speed manual transmissions are junk, the only decent one is the 6 speed manual. The cab/chassis are junk, the electrical is junk, the front end is junk, and the 5.9s leak like a damn sieve. The duramax is a great truck in general. However, honestly more expensive to repair than a 6.0. My 25 year master tech drives a 6.0 to work everyday, one of my other tenured techs drives a 6.0 every day and my owner drives a 6.0 everyday. People just don't understand the engine and it has gotten such a bad name people just say it's shit without knowing a damn thing about it lol. 9 times out of 10, I can diagnose a 6.0 over the phone just listening to the customer describe the issue they are very simple engines. The 6.4 is absolutely a million times worse than the 6.0 also these engines were made by international not Ford...
I have a 5.7 F-150 a '91 318 Dodge 12 valve Cummins 1st Gen and the 5.3 vortec Tahoe all amazing solid and reliable motors with lots of power
5.7 F150?
I'm old enough to remember when pick ups were affordable, reliable and easy to maintain. Today they're overpriced, unreliable and cost way too much to repair.
Ha! Ha! I'm old enough to remember the old trucks too!!! Love em for nostalgia, but I don't want to go back!!! Now let's remember.....
Cold winter morning starting and warm ups, heaters sucked, no air conditioner, fixing points, wet day ignition issues, dim headlights, horrible ride unless you were loaded, and many more!!!
I'll keep the new ones!!! But yeah, I love the old ones too! But as toys!!!
@@terrysweitzer6772 I can't afford a new truck. However, in 1992 I drove a brand new V6 Ranger supercab off the lot for $13,000 and beat the crap out of it for twelve years. It always started, was easy to fix, and never let me down. The 2022 Ranger will never come close to that level of reliability, affordablity or even usability.
@@basswars7060 I really can't speak to the new ones, I guess time will tell, but the old rangers were pretty awesome. Had a few quirks, but overall good vehicles. In stock from they would run forever with basic maintenance!
A 2v and a 3v 5.4 are different engines. My 2005 f150 with a 5.4 3v has 303,000 on it with the original drive train. The trick is to take care of your truck and do all the regular maintenance. The truck still had the original calipers at 303,000 until I replaced them with preventative maintenance. It's spent every of its life in salty winters. It's pretty rusty, but the frame is still solid as a rock. The amount of original parts on the truck surprises me.
Damn right. I'm hardcore Mopar fan but I had a 4.7 Dakota. Let's just say I'm used to quarter million mile engines and my 4.7 blew up at 110000.
lol yeah, yet I've seen more that run 250-300k miles.... Two rules, DONT overheat it and the Valve seats wont drop, and CHANGE your oil REGUARLY and you wont have valvetrain issues either. I've had mine for 20 years, zero issues. why? Because I do those two things.
@@NXT_LVL Fair. My question is why could I get 200,000+ miles out of my LA series engines but not that one. I run mobil 1 full every 3000. Perhaps just bad luck?
@@srtmetal7647 sometime bad luck does happen. Mine has 210k and no issues. Been a fantastic engine. And Im a tech at an independent shop and have since 2007 and ive worked on way more 5.4/dod ls/ and hemis then I have had to with 4.7s. Ive probably seen more issues with hemis and 5.4s though then all the other truck engines combined (on the gas side. Diesel is a totally different list lol)
I had an ‘02 1500 with a 4.7. Biggest piece of shit ever made. Regular maintenance meant nothing as it blew head gaskets (due to rampant electrolysis issues plaguing the engine from the start) at 150,000 miles.
@@blue.5058 Yea that was my experience. Shame too as it was such a clean truck.
I've got an 08 4.7L and it's got 280k on the ticker, still going strong.
Are you referring to the Toyota engine 2UZ-FE? It was in Tundras, 4 Runners, and Lexus sedans. I have a 2004 4runner with this engine.184K trouble-free miles
@@gonefishing5434 they’re referring to the Corsair 4.7L Chrysler V8 which was upgraded to be stronger in comparison to the 1st gen.
I have an 08 F150 Lariat with just under 500,000 km. No leaks, lots of power, tows like there is nothing behind it. Still running smooth and strong.
Had the 4.7 in a Jeep Grand Cherokee.. We had no issues with it, sold it around 180k miles. This replaced a first gen we had with the 5.2. The 4.7 was a bit better on gas, but the 5.2 sure sounded better when you were on the gas. Pretty similar performance between the two. Ok, lunch is over and I'm about to get back in my truck with a gen VI 454. I could complain about the gas it uses but I don't need DEF, and the last part it needed was a $50 crank position sensor 2 years ago! :)
454 heck of a motor. A buddy bought a 1970 Monte Carlo with 454 in about 1978. It was a monster. From a stoplight when he punched it, it felt like a lead weight in my chest, by the next stoplight we were hitting 85mph. Crazy!!!
I put a Mk IV 454 bored .030 over and a forged 4.25 stroke rotating assb. in it making it 489 ci, 10.8:1 comp, dyno 589.6 hp @ 5700 rpm, 600.8tq 4400, Very happy with it in my 68 Malibu
@@shovelrick1 sounds like a great ride... those 454s are great motors.
The 4.7l Dakota was a great truck. I miss the sound and high end power of it. Did good for the midsize truck. Towed my camper fine. But the BEST Dakota I've ever had was an 02 quad cab 4x4 with the 5.9l. No electronics throttle junk. Just instant torque and smiles.
have an 01 model, got it used with 196k, n its still have lots of torque and power.
I am a fleet mechanic for a public utility. My service area is the southern California desert. The majority of the fleet in my area is Navistar trucks, while I also have a handful of F550 and F150s.
Needless to say the blasting hot terrain is punishing to any vehicle.
I won't even get started on the 6.0/6.4 diesel since we have mostly phased those out of the fleet. Its like the end of a bad dream. The 6.7 hasn't exactly been trouble free, but its certainly better.
Everything mentioned in this video about the 5.4 Triton is true. And I still have about 15 of them in my service area. Most are pushing 200,000 miles and constantly have something wrong with them. The one thing I noticed from the time they were new is the engine is noisy. I have tried different oils especially in the summer when the temperature reaches 115F for weeks at a time. I guess its just a noisy engine. I always thought if I was a customer that owned one, I wouldn't be happy after paying that much money for a pickup.
I have a 2013 f150 with the 5.0. Bought it new and now have 480,000km on it. The only thing I've ever changed on it is plugs, coils and the water pump. And none of those failed. I just did them as maintenance.
KM? GTFOutta here with that crap!
If I'm not mistaken, the 2013 Ford trucks don't have Triton engines. I believe they stopped making Tritons after 2010 or 2011.
@@kurtreynolds1589 He has a 5 liter, as he stated....not a 5.4/3V Triton. Those 5.4 motors were nightmares if you didn't maintain them well.
Give me a 5.0 ALL day long...Gen2 Coyote (2106), preferably.🤔
@@kurtreynolds1589 yes in 2012 they made the first generation 5.0 which is effectively the best drive train Ford ever made mated with the 6 speed transmission. The new gen 5.0s have had issues and so have their new gearboxes as well.
The 6.0 Powerstroke is WAY better than the 6.4. Even top Powerstroke guys will avoid a 6.4 like a plague. In fact its the only Ford Diesel I've never , and will not ever, own. The best overall diesel engine in light duty trucks to me is the 5.9 Cummins, specifically the 2003 and early 2004 common rail engines. They had great power , reliability, and fuel economy.
No I have no brand loyalty as I have owned all 3 (Xumkins, Powerstroke, Duramax) and still own all 3. 1-LLY DMax, 1- 6.7 Cummins, 2- 6.0 Powerstrokes.
ford didnt make the 6.0 or 6.4 thats international the only diesel ford makes in house is the 6.7
@@tyler93539 correct, and if you dont know that then you shouldn't own any of them.
In Winter, when we get our yearly 1 inch snow fall in Seattle, you can take out your Mercedes and see all these wonderful rugged trucks, that can do so much off-road, spun out in a ditch.
I have a 2007 350 xlt 6.0. The truck itself has been awesome and to this day cost me $0.0 dollars in non-maintenance repairs. The 6.0 under the hood is quite another story. I'm into the engine for well over $10,000 in repairs and of course in having ran for more then a month since the last high dollar repair, the HPOP has put the truck on the "completely useless lawn ornament" list until I can afford to blow another $2,000 bucks and a weekend's worth of time to once again fix it so I can drive it for a few more weeks when the next high dollar part is sure to give up. It truly is sad that such a wonderful and very well made truck has such an unbelievably worthless engine in it. How Ford decided to install this boat anchor into such a fantastic truck is nothing short of tragic. Apparently "quality" is no longer "job one".
Man that sucks !
Swap it for a a mechanical DT-360. The most bulletproof diesel engine ever made. They’re inexpensive and abundant.
Profit has always been "job one"
Smartest Advice!!! DON'T BUY A Late Model Pickup Truck. Find An Older Model With LESS Computerization, And Simpler Components, (Usually Before 2010 According To Our Best Area Mechanic), And Fix The Older Model Up To Use. I Own A 43-Year Old Chevy Square Body With A Carbureted 350 That Has Adequate Power, And There's Enough Room In The Engine Compartment That I Could Crawl Inside Of It And You Could Close The Hood Over Me AND The Engine. Where As With Pickups Today, All You See When You Open The Hood Is A Pile Of Spaghetti Hoses, Tubes And Sensors Stuffed Inside. It's NOT A GIGANTIC Hideous Looking Land Yacht Overloaded With Gadgetry Like They Sell Today. My Oldie Is Simple, Strong, Pretty Reliable And It Does The Job I Need It To Do, With The Heavier BIG 10 Package That Came With It, And Overload Rear Helper Spring I Installed Myself. And I Have NO DESIRE To Be Burning The Tires Off Of It, Like The Juvenile Dick Heads Shown In The Report. It's No Wonder That Their Trucks Don't Last For Sheet...
top gear showed us that the 3VZ-E can survive anything
It did ps it was called pickup or in other places besides America it was called hilux
Yea it just had no real power to speak of. Just sufficient power to move and off road slowly. Same with the 3.4 that replaced it. 3.4 didn't blow the random head gasket though.
Replaced both of mine in two different 5speed 4Runners, same year “1990” one a 4door and one being a rare 2door with the 4.3 V6 chevy using bellhousing adapter. Best thing I did. A lot more power and torque, better fuel economy and still past emissions being reliable. I did this back in the late nineties.
I certainly agree that many car manufacturers recommended oil change intervals are too high (I always stick to 3k to 5k miles myself) but those sludged engines you showed were not maintained on the manufacturer’s schedules. It’s crazy to not do maintenance more in the 5,000 mile range or sooner but it’s takes going way over the recommended schedule to get sludge like that. It’s irrational that as manufacturers have added more components that can’t handle poor maintenance like elaborate cam timing equipment and turbos to super heat the oil that they recommend such sparse maintenance. It’s almost like they don’t want these cars to last. Concerning the 5.4 Fords, with a reasonable amount of maintenance the oil returns being small are a nonissue so saying it’s pointless to rebuild because of them is misleading to people that don’t really understand. The cam phasers did fail often on those but about never if the vehicle was maintained well. The spark plug issue was a real problem that good maintenance couldn’t avoid but could be fixed. All manufacturers for some reason insist on using poor quality bolts on their exhaust manifolds which is such a shame because if they would spend a couple dollars more they could use some chrome Molly bolts that wouldn’t have that problem. My Dad’s F150 has almost 400,000 miles on it and runs like new because it simply got regular maintenance.
With a 5.4 3v with good maintenance can be okay. I’ve done a lot of research on them because I won one lol. I’ve mostly had problems with the o2 sensors and injectors. It gets a worse rep than what it actually is. Not saying it that reliable but are worse engines. It was reliable enough for them to use it from 1997 until 2010
The 3 valve was only run from 2005 to 2010
@@MrZilla500 They used them until 2012 Ford Expeditions
@@tr4u5mp90 2014
@@MrZilla500 2004-2014
@The Owl Thanks...I ball parked the year.
As a Northstar owner, anytime I hear timing chain(s) I flinch.
Don't worry. The slow and quiet creeping of the head gasket will probably get you first.
Timing chain is the least of your worries with a Northstar. 🤣
You've got much more, much bigger problems.
@@louiewatson9389 Chains. (3) Yes, early Northstar engine had head bolt issues and there's the ever present GM gaskets problem.
But the two piece crank case is on another level. When anyone puts the Northstar near top RPM under load the forces on the bottom end are huge, and the whole thing is bolted together. GM bolts and engineering ...
@@MH_Bikes good analogy...
I cringed when I had to do time a time sert job back in the day. Especially warranty work.
I have a 2010 F150 Lariat which I bought new in February 2011. It had 12 miles on the odometer when I got it. It has a 5.4l 3v. It now has 350,000 miles on it. I change the oil every 7500 miles, and only use Mobil 1 since the first oil change. I've driven all over the U.S., highway speeds, city traffic, mountains, Texas summer heat, offroad pipeline right of ways, mud, and snow and ice in Colorado. It has been the best truck I've ever owned by far. At about 300,000 miles, I replaced the timing chain and cam phasers, myself, because the plastic guide broke. While I had it apart, I replaced the roller rockers, just because. I saw none of the sludge that you refer to. Additionally, because I could, I pulled the heads for inspection. No carbon, no visible wear. I serviced the transmission and rear end at 150,000 miles. I have even pulled a 26 ft RV trailer a few times. My intention is to keep this truck forever. My previous F150 also had 350,000 miles when I traded it in for my wife's S80 Volvo. Still going strong. My son is a Ford Master Diesel mechanic. He agrees with the 6.0 problem initially. He called it, job security.
I used to work at a shop and we would have a set limit of three of the 6.0 Power Jokes. I did so many of them that I could take them apart and rebuild them in my sleep. And a note to anybody whoa dealing with one, it's so much easier to pull the cab off then pull the "engine".
We used to raise the cab 8 inches or so to make installing the turbo/downpipe on 7.3s easier.
@@donreinke5863 you can swap a turbo/downpipe on a 6.0 in under a hour without touching the cab. y pipe takes a while, but still easy to do
@@GDTRFB Ive done them on 7.3s there is no way to get that downpipe in unless the engine is partially removed or the cab is lifted
All agreed save the 2008 and up 4.7 Mopar. The redesigned cylinder head addressed all the issues mentioned AND upped power by ~33% to boot. Had a 2012 Ram with one and it easily dragged around a 7K + lb trailer.
i’ve towed upwards of 10K with mine no issue, would’ve gone higher if i had a better rear end ratio though
I owned a 1999 F-150 with a 5.4 Triton engine with a engine built in the Windsor plant and I was very impressed with it! Very strong running engine and it had a P2 aluminum intake manifold instead of the composite plastic manifold. If you are good with maintenance and know what you are doing under the hood of a vehicle they are work horses! I can assure you that you don't want to follow the recommended maintenance schedule and the torque specs call for 18ft pounds to tighten the sparkplugs, But I torqued mine to 28ft pounds and never had a problem with it blowing out sparkplugs. And you should never leave sparkplugs in a aluminum head anywhere near 100 hundred thousand miles! That is why people were breaking off the plugs in the three valve engines.
Have had similar experiences with the several 3 valve 5.4 L F250s I own. 3-4,000 mile oil and filter changes with Mobil 1 synthetic = zero issues in those 185,000 mile units. My 2 valve 5.4 and 2 valve V-10 250 and 350s are worked the same and have been even more durable in the Ford group. As to my other trucks in the fleet I have to say for Diesel power, I rely solely on CAT and Cummins. Indestructible. A word the Ford/Navistar diesel engineers have no knowledge of
I have a 2000 Ford F-150 with a 5.4 Triton. Bought her when she had 100K on the odometer now she has over 325K on it. Been with me for 14 years and she still runs beautifully. I love my Ford F-150 pick up
It was in 2004 when they went to three valves and added the cam phasers that they went to crap. Those 97-03 two valve 5.4 and 4.6 engines are rock solid. Take care of them and they're good for 300-400k miles.
I had the 2nd generation of the inline 5 cylinder in the Colorado/Canyon. It still suffered from misfire issues. Shortly after getting rid of it, I realized the issues may have been related to the fuel injectors. It also was leaking coolant from an unknown location. But otherwise it wasn't bad. At 155k miles, a leak down test showed no issues.
My brother had a Colorado 5 cylinder, that truck deteriorated around the engine. At over 300K, the engine was still running fine,as the truck literally fell apart.
@@got2kittys I've replaced many of them engines.
My 3.5 in-line 5 worked great in my Colorado. It was the 06 version when I think the gremlins had been worked out. It wasn’t fuel efficient, but lasted quite a while with no issues other than a couple cheap ignition coil replacements.
This list was legit, for sure. I don't know how there are so many engine problems after 2000 or so. Seems we had non complicated engines figured out in the 80s & 90s. Maybe it's the introduction of "lifetime" fluids and oil change intervals measured in yearly or 10,000 mile time frames. I'm currently trying to buy all the non rusty 90s trucks and cars I can!
High-tech on the cheap and let the buyers be the test-drivers!
I never want to buy a new truck. ever.
Imo, EPA regulations causing the manufacturers to redesign the wheel to get more mpgs while still trying to push the limits of horsepower/torque and win that race. Basically the reason of the switch from the 7.3 powerstroke to the 6.0. That and a combo of cheap material outsourcing probably 🤷♂️
Good idea! The 90s and early 2000s cars are fine. The 014-016 dodge v6 ecodiesel on the list I am not sure about. My friend got 300k at a lifetime 26mpg before he wrecked it. And it towed like a 3/4 ton truck. I'd take that...
@fosterpainter * I have a tacoma with a hole in the side of the block from a rod that went bye bye and a lexus I'm currently putting a very expensive transmission in. Both because previous owners thought the oil and transmission fluids were supposed to be changed at very long intervals. The tacoma has 113k miles!
I like how fuel economy is presented along with an image of the truck doing a smoke show… hahaha good stuff.
I bought one, a 2009 F-150 Lariat Crew Cab with all options except heated mirrors, 320 HP, it has never had a problem. Oil has been changed every 3k, I'm probably jinxing myself since everything eventually breaks, but it's over 170k miles at this time. I love my truck.
I agree with this entire list. Like you, I’ve actually owned multiple 4.7 Chrysler engines and they have treated me well, despite so many others having issues. I have a theory that most 4.7 issues are derived from overheating and poor maintenance. I think that 5.0 Cummins that Nissan got was actually designed for Ram originally, but they backed out and opted for the smaller VM motori one since it was more economic and Ram already had the 6.7.
Agree on the 4.7 - it's had enough issues reported to make the list, but ours was really solid!
@@IdealMediaChannel I'm nearing 165k miles on my 4.7L H.O. and so far it's been valve stem seals, a water pump, and three broken exhaust manifold bolts.
I bought a ‘99 F250 that had this plug problem. It only occurred once on #3 cyl.
It was an otherwise great pickup, and I loved it.
I didn’t consider this issue a reason to hate or be disappointed in the truck.
Drove it to the dealer on 7 cylinders, and returned home on 8!
Kinda angry at the time that I had to buy a new coil (hot gasses got past the plug and melted it)).
You had the 7.3 probably. Great engine
@@jeffro582 7.3s are diesels and don't have coils nor spark plugs. They do have glow plugs but still no coils.
I was a fleet maintenance supervisor for 30 years. During the last 20 years of my career our outfit used Ford E150 vans. Basically a F150 in van form. The reason they used them is that I worked for a state entity that had a government discount with Ford. They had the 5.4 litre engine in almost all of them. Everything he said about that engine was absolutely true. Actually the whole vehicle was substandard. The brakes especially. I noticed that he didn't mention the Dodge 5.7 litre hemi. That might be a good thing. I own a Dodge Ram 1500 with one of those in it and it is the best, most powerful and trouble free truck and engine I have ever had.
What year do you own ?
@@pepperroni4016 2014
@@jeffreydonaldson3708 I'm going to buy one tomorrow
The 4.2 L at Atlas engine inline 6 isn't bad. I mean I would assume it has the same issues as the 5 cylinder but I've seen those with high mileage and if you twin turbo it's like an American barra
5 cyl is a pig on fuel for the power you get
People don't change their damn oil. The VVT solenoid will plug up & starve the crank & other components. Keep the oil clean and these are 300K plus engines.
@@wymple09 I just can't for the life of me understand today's unwillingness to change the oil.
Over time I've owned quite a few vehicles with "bad" engines in them. I don't really care what the manufacturer has to say about service intervals, if it's conventional oil, 3000mi. If it's synthetic, 5000mi. Never had undue issues with them into the hundreds of thousands of miles. That said, sometimes things fail, but most people I have known claim to have been "just driving normal" and my engine blew up......
This is rare in deed, maybe "just driving normal" but forgot to check and change the oil, or coolant, or air filter for a hundred thousand miles!!! And yes people do this crap!!! Nothing is perfect, but most things these days that make it to production in the auto industry are pretty reliable, (with proper service).
BUT, rest assured, there will always be "that guy" you know him....
I was only pulling a trailer 2000lb over the tow rating last weekend, and the weekend before was spinning the motor at the Rev limiter all afternoon in a mud pit, and didn't realize the coolant was low, and the oil had twenty thousand miles on it! I don't know why it blew up, I was just running out for beer and smokes!!!
That’s just what happens, people don’t maintain it and it fails. Then it goes to social media and the haters glom onto it, trying to make it appear as factual. I follow the same oil change intervals as you do and have never had engine problems and I keep my vehicles for a long time and have drove many of the big3 rigs
So true. I've owned plenty of 'unreliable' cars and taken them over 200k. That said, I'd like to get into a new car soon so I can be sure all service is done on time.