This is one of my biggest annoyances of the series. When it aired back in the 20th century I was so eager to see what they would do with it, but...nothing. It's like a giant Chekhov's gun they planted that never went off.
Well Guinan left Picard for The View and Jean Luc never fully recovered.. Picard loves strong black women! His new lust interest Raffi Musicker as strong hot black lady! John DeLancie looks so much like a matured and good looking Alex Trebeck!! OMFG!!
If I was to guess, I'd assume she's more an anti-Q than anything. She's aware when time chicanery goes on around her, she's incredibly long lived, she has had multiple interactions with the continuum, Q claims she's a trouble maker and she has no fear of Q's powers. She must be capable of undoing what he does, directly or indirectly.
@@EricDKaufman Honestly, I don't like that show. They made everything to.....chaotic and they thought that would help generate intrigue in the new plots when all it did was mess up the endings of the various series.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 Meh, I won't hold my breath with that show. Wouldn't mind being wrong, but I'll watch the clips on RUclips instead of paying for them.
we are borg, we will add your ring and rage to our own collective..... I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU TRY!!!! [begins flying around burning the borg cube to bits as it eventually explodes] SOME ENEMY YOU ARE!!! YOU BURN LIKE THE REST! DC and Star trek are incompatible, I can do what I want here.....
*Picard lays beaten on the ground, Q squats near his body.* Q: Why did you get me to renounce my powers?! I could have saved you! Think, Picard! Think!
I like the line "Terrors to freeze your soul." Almost like Q was hinting that he knew what was in store for Picard, the events that will forever haunt him.
Doesn't Q exist outside of time, much like the wormhole aliens in DS9? Thus he can see, and even interact both forward and backwards, At least that is the read I got from the final episode where Picard was going backward and forward in time, and Q was with him at the moment that life was supposed to begin on Earth, ad then didn't. So yeah, he likely saw what was in store for Picard.
@@nunya3163 Q is a being of pure thought. He doesn't exist outside of time, but more he exists where ever he wants to be, where ever he thinks to be. There have been a few episodes of Voyager that have brought up the subject of Q and the Q Continuum, as well as a few novels that I personally would like to believe is canon.
Picard: "Listen, there is not a single thing or situation in all of time, space, or infinite dimensions that we could not fully handle, nor could an omnipotent being be an asset or lend assistance with. On your way, sunshine." Q: O.o "Do you... do you hear yourself right now?"
And Riker is just as idiotic and 'Gung Ho!' It's a shame they didn't include a sensible crew member in the scene, to offer a sane counterpoint of view.
What you earn too cheaply you esteem too lightly. Nothing worthwhile is easy. I cannot think of anything that would make Picard, his crew and their mission any more worthless than having an omnipotent chaperone ready to snap his fingers and make all their problems go away. They are out there to learn - the hard way. To learn to grow and to grow is to suffer and grow stronger for it. After all thats essentially the entire point of this episode. What Q lectures Picard about at the end is what Picard is willing to accept here: a bloody nose, but one they receive on their own terms under their own effort. Not because of Qs powers.
@@jmlaw8888 I get that, but given the things they have encountered, and what they know about the infinite reaches of space, time, and dimensions, to blithely say "There's nothing out there we can't handle!" is a bit... much.
@@bluehealer81 He didnt say that really though. He merely stated they are ready to encounter it. And they are. They have mastered interstellar travel and have a mission to seek out new life. Those are the only measurements in ignorance they can judge themselves by. I look at it more as boldy accepting the risks rather than arrogantly dismissing the threat.
@@jmlaw8888 If Q didn't do what he did then the federation wouldn't have stood a chance against the Borg and that is a fact. Q gave them a heads up in regards to the existence of the Borg and that made the federation prepared for their invasion.
O'Neil would be like: "Q?... R, S, T, L, M, N, O..... P!? ...Oh, that reminds me... I had a coffee an hour a go and I really gotta pee." "Would you ex-"Q"s me?"
Not just to prove a point. Q wanted humanity to be prepared, because the Borg were already working their way to the alpha quadrant. Without that encounter, humanity would've been absolutely destroyed when they finally arrived.
This was Q being a good guy. He's being a fourth-dimensional hyper-jerk who lies about everything (except for becoming mortal that one time) and doesn't want anyone to see anything beyond his smarmy exterior but Q sees enough promise in humanity that he doesn't want it extinguished by the Borg.
@@1Tekkaman I didn't watch the original so this is a slightly uninformed take, but purely talking about character concepts, Data appeals to me more. It's way more fascinating to learn how this character approaches different situations, how he thinks, and his unique strengths compared to the rest of the crew.
I remember the first time I watched this episode. After Q's little taunt about seeing if they were ready to dance, something told me that the old phrase "Here there be dragons" was appropriate.
I still think the writers could pay homage to this later in Picard. Guinan could be Guinan and also host to something similar in scope to how trills are. Some cosmic entity. Maybe the Nexus from generations itself is sentient, and the guinan from "Generations" foward is but a Nexus powered construct made from her memories, which would explain how she still exists in both places.
I always had the notion that Guinan actually used to be a Q herself. One who left the Continuum for whatever reason and left her in not so good standing with our Q. The way he says he'll renounce his powers while giving her that very pointed glance and got me thinking that was a possibility. It's a shame that with TNG's episodic structure the idea of her and Q's history never was touched on again.
@@coleslade Equally good idea. Guinan's species isn't really explored in depth . The only thing we know about them it's a throwaway line about the Borg assimilating them. People take that as a sign that they are relatively weak, but for all we know their corporal forms may just be simply be manifested for our benefit. There existence maybe have simply been an experiment that lived past its use. The borg may have received nothing but biological husks for their efforts. Interfering with lower life forms in any way even to save themselves might be considered a violation of their own idea of the prime directive. Perhaps they were once more malevolent than even the q, and now operate under a vow of non interference to balance out their prior misdeeds. I am not a trek nerd, however it seems like there is a lot of room to retcon everything so it makes sense.
The whole thing where every time Worf sees Q and Picard has to say "Worf" to stop him I sort of imagine that guy who starts calling for his friends to hold him back from a guy that is twice his size.
Was Q trying to help? If he can go wherever he wants in time and space, he knew what would happen to Picard and Enterprise when meet the borg. So, if he was trying to help he would change the timeline, history, don't you agree? Anyway, how would he help about the borg, if Picard had accepted hin as a crew member, if he would renounce to his powers?
I think Q was trying to help for sure. The Borg were already on their way to Federation space and they had no idea about it. So while he put the Enterprise in danger, without it the Federation would have been wiped out. I think had Picard accept him as a crewmember, he would have found some way to introduce them to the Borg, I'm pretty sure it was his plan all along
He wanted to humble Picard, show him how easily his life and those under his command could perish in the face of unknown danger. Wanted to see if Picard could move past his arrogance and accept that there are limits you dare not cross. At first, Picard was stubborn and resolute; in the face of their annihilation & assimilation, that's when they had to give in. Q was all but willing to let them all die if Picard didn't accept the futility of their situation, but in the end Picard grew as Q wanted and he granted the grace period they needed to prepare. Character is what Q finds most impressive, not technology & numbers.
well, even if he renounces his powers, he will still retain most if not all of his knowledge and certainly a great deal of intelligence. so he would still be a really useful crewmember if picard had accepted him. he probably has the knowledge and intelligence to defeat the whole borg collective with a pencil. and i think it was less "oh let me try and warn those poor humans about the terror of te borg that is on the way" and more "humans are entertaining and borg are boring. let me make sure the universe stays interesting by having these funny little monkey people in it"
@@philip8498 I dunno, in the EP where he *does* lose his powers there's one scene that shows he can only really ever thing as a Q "It's simple, change the gravitational constant of the universe" "We can't do that" "Oh, well I don't know then" I'm slightly paraphrasing there, but I think he's too set in his ways to effectively use his knowledge
@@monkeyman767 hmm. good point. he has probably never used anything such primitive technology. a bit like trying to explain to a monkey how to make a plane when they can barely sharpen a stick.
The crew was rather suicidal, treating an entity like Q as if it was a clown. Sure it wasn't acting very seriously, but its power was absolute. The Q Kirk encountered was even more clownish but they quickly learned to fear it. It was plot armor that Q found their disrespect amusing. And their attitude stupid to the point of being pathetic.
I think they realize he could wipe them out if he wanted, and they're just fed up of him. They realize their odds are likely no different if they grovel, or tell him to sod-off. So they tell him to sod off because they don't want to be his playthings.
Worshipping power simply because it is powerful doesn’t seem like Picard. Or Kirk. They believe in ideals higher than simple brute force. Kind of the point of the show, really.
@@WufeiLord I also don't thing Q, or the continuum in general are interested in fear or worship anyhow. The whole thing was an exercise towards a point, moreso than just putting 'the fear of god' into the Enterprise and crew. Q showed them there is something out there they aren't prepared to fight well before it shows up on their doorstep unannounced, giving them time and motivation to prepare, as well as information. (It's just a shame that from a writing perspective, the borg are mostly a threat because no one exploits their glaring weaknesses, like how they ignore intruders on their ship and not a genuine threat in and of themselves.)
We also don't know if she's even really El'aurian. She's been around for hundreds and hundreds of years just near earth. And she seems to have existed LONG before then if we judge by how Q recognizes her and he hasn't been around humans since before we had clothing lol
the never did elaborate. Later Guinnen contradicts herself massively with the Borg "one day, you can open negotiations with them and establish a friendship" then in their next encounter "you cant negotiate with them. They wiped my people out."
Not contradictory at all. She was referring to the human species capacity at our stage of evolution in the 24th century as compared to that capacity hundreds or thousands of years into the future. Turns out Captain Janeway and her crew accelerated that evolution out of necessity aboard Voyager.
@@scottgurstein Guinnen says that she thinks humans can be friends with the Borg. then when Hugh shows up, she goes full space-racist. "IT has no rights. IT is a thing not a person. You can't negotiate with IT"
@@AzguardMike I remember that scene. As I recall, she appeared to be speaking from her own place of personal trauma and anger towards the Borg as a species. She was being emotional in that moment, with her words distorted by the bias of her personal experience. Later in that same episode, she convinced Captain Picard to meet with Hugh, and experience the same transformational change of heart she experienced.
Not in the shot: Q: "The hall is rented, The orchestra engaged, Lets see if you can dance?" I love those lines. Yes, that I awesome to me. What a great set of lines.
In retrospect, Whoopi Goldberg's acting in this scene is brilliant...she's aware of the danger involved, and is extremely tense, watching the conversation between Q and Picard, knowing what could happen if Picard slips up...which he does big time.
I really want to know the Dragon Ball Z shit that would have come out of their hands had they gone all out. I mean we've never seen Q in a combat stance. Like that was his honest posture getting ready to end something.... what could have possibly been released from that one hand?
I really wish they had done something with this. ANYTHING. It had the best setup and they threw it away. I want to know what Guinan's and Q's history was, and why she can fend him off. This had so much potential!
That stance of hers suggests the writers had an idea to give her the ability to fend off Q, but didn't know how to go forward with it to keep with the feeling of the show. Even so, I'd still love to know what those "dealings" were.
When the human race starts the real space exploration (colonization) think about this scene. Its a minniscule taste of the wonders and horrors that await us in space.
On Voyager Q's son does get a visit from Q when he summons a fleet of Borg ships to see what Janeway and the crew do. Q is very displeased with his son and yells at him "don't provoke the Borg!". This should indicate that even the Q avoid the Borg, for whatever reason.
The Guinan character has more power than you can possibly imagine. She simply either wouldn't or couldn't use it, likely owing to self imposed non-interference directives on her species not much different than the Federation's Prime Directive. That would stand to reason, for a species capable of perceiving events and outcomes from the past, present, and future in a nonlinear temporal format and across multiple timelines.
Q might have become extra-obnoxious about it later-on, seeing himself as savior. But in a way, it might also have tempered him, especially if he has a crisis of purpose. Still, though, usually you first have to break an insatiable character before actual change can occur.
It was very annoying that her powers were never even shown off tacitly. I mean it looked there that she had something comparable to Q's power as he hesitates to even engage instead of just blinking her away like he would Warf or someone like that
Just noticed that you can see Worf standing outside the door when he is dismissed. Not sure if to get Michael Dorn out of the scene or to imply Worf is eavesdropping waiting to jump Q xD
I wish we could know more about guinan.... by what she said and did here, it seems she is not as powerful as Q, but almost. I can only imagine what powers she has. She probably has a very interesting background.
Love Q was one the gratest characters in all startrek. The fact he can transport you any where or when alone is the true meaning to explore. But the fact the crews in any case always say no. Cause they want to learn and evolve
@@vorpalrobot id still love to go with him and see what he sees, and how. To go beyond the reaches of mere star systems, galaxies, and universes, to higher plains of reality and time. 4th, 5th dimensions or past even that.
Like having a bored max level take a level 1 newbie around a game world. And just as likely to let them die as to boost them up. But either way, the newbie doesn't get to play and enjoy the game for themselves.
does she have any powers as far as we know she just has an extremely love life span that's all as long or longer then a Vulcan otherwise we know nothing about her race when we really start to look at her race not much is known about them may explain why the Borg were so interested they they obviously couldn't hold off the Borg which suggests no powers as the Q can play with the Borg and planets like pool balls
Implying she had abilities that worried or challenged even the Q, and then doing NOTHING with it, was a huge mistake. She was the bartender, and occasional backup counselor. Nothing beyond that.
Well, this probably helped lead to his being de-powered. The Q seem to be more the, "observe and record but stay out of the way mindset." The Borg getting stirred up at anytime is a F5 cosmic shit tornado.
I just watched that episode and he didn't create the rule, he says the Q Continuum did, so maybe he got in trouble for this. But also he undid all the messes his son had created, and he was trying to keep his son from being kicked out of the continuum, so he's understandably upset.
@@sarahberkner Fair. I phrased that badly. He stresses that rule with his son because I think at least some part of him regretted setting the Federation and the Borg on that collision course. Delay it even a century and Picard never becomes Locutus, Sisko still has a happy family, MILLIONS are still alive, and by the time the Federation runs into the Borg they've already outstripped it in tech even if the Borg has survived the Undine.
I'm not sure, but i guess Guinan obvisiouly knew what Q was up to after hurling the Enterprise-D into the delta quadrant. She is omnipotent just like he is, so it is conceivable that she is not entirely innocent, at least with the incident and the contact with the Borg.
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The whole Guinan's powers / imp thing was the most enraging throwaway teaser in the whole show. WHAT CAN SHE DO WITH HER KUNG FU HANDS
Jumping Jack Flash, she was a system hacker, and didn’t she and Picard have a love situation? French men are lovers! Isn’t Picard French? Meh…
This is one of my biggest annoyances of the series. When it aired back in the 20th century I was so eager to see what they would do with it, but...nothing. It's like a giant Chekhov's gun they planted that never went off.
Some mysteries are better left unsolved.
Well Guinan left Picard for The View and Jean Luc never fully recovered.. Picard loves strong black women! His new lust interest Raffi Musicker as strong hot black lady! John DeLancie looks so much like a matured and good looking Alex Trebeck!! OMFG!!
If I was to guess, I'd assume she's more an anti-Q than anything. She's aware when time chicanery goes on around her, she's incredibly long lived, she has had multiple interactions with the continuum, Q claims she's a trouble maker and she has no fear of Q's powers. She must be capable of undoing what he does, directly or indirectly.
The fact she faces off to a Q and Picard never asks her about it in the future is beyond me.
Simple, plot holes or abandoned plot holes. In other words, they couldn't really see what to do with it.
oh we are about to get the answer in PIcard Season 2
@@EricDKaufman Honestly, I don't like that show. They made everything to.....chaotic and they thought that would help generate intrigue in the new plots when all it did was mess up the endings of the various series.
Gunian is going to be in Picard season 2. I'm sure we will learn about it then.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 Meh, I won't hold my breath with that show. Wouldn't mind being wrong, but I'll watch the clips on RUclips instead of paying for them.
*One Borg Cube later*
"OKAY I ADMIT IT WE'RE NOT READY"
plot synopsis really, whole episode in two lines.
Isn't that just "The Borg" in a nutshell? :D
@@pkrissz "I am Illidan of Borg. You are not prepared."
@@dipperjc Vengeance is irrelevant. All will be assimilated
we are borg, we will add your ring and rage to our own collective.....
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU TRY!!!! [begins flying around burning the borg cube to bits as it eventually explodes]
SOME ENEMY YOU ARE!!! YOU BURN LIKE THE REST!
DC and Star trek are incompatible, I can do what I want here.....
Q: "Shes an imp, and where she goes trouble always follows"
Picard: "No U"
well she only pull that phaser out when the crew gets rowdy but otherwise she seem kinda passive no trouble at all
@Hammer Johnson ok that made me laugh
Guinin never causes trouble
But she often alludes to on coming danger
So hes not 100% wrong here, i side with Guinin tho XD
@@donovanulrich348 but she sure knows how to end trouble when it comes this is setting number one who wants to see setting number two?
Lol XD
Id tell Guinin to open a window XD
It was getting crowded anyway
But yeah, shes a skilled diplomat aswell as listener XD
*Picard lays beaten on the ground, Q squats near his body.*
Q: Why did you get me to renounce my powers?! I could have saved you! Think, Picard! Think!
Picard To Late!!!!!!!!!
Q snaps fingers it's never to late
@@raven4k998 I love to see Q host Jeopardy and have Jean Luc, Wil Riker, and Worf play for their favorite charity! (Everyone in Starfleet Uniforms.)
I’ll take No Tribble at All for $3,000… uh.. its the Daily Double!!
I was not expecting that reference here but it's welcome
Q: Points to the warp core “Look at what they need to mimic a fracture of our power”
I like the line "Terrors to freeze your soul." Almost like Q was hinting that he knew what was in store for Picard, the events that will forever haunt him.
Oh the picard series?
@@KameariKillScreen
He had watched the plot of Mass Effect 3 beforehand.
Terrors to freeze your soul indeed.
Doesn't Q exist outside of time, much like the wormhole aliens in DS9? Thus he can see, and even interact both forward and backwards, At least that is the read I got from the final episode where Picard was going backward and forward in time, and Q was with him at the moment that life was supposed to begin on Earth, ad then didn't.
So yeah, he likely saw what was in store for Picard.
@@nunya3163 Q is a being of pure thought. He doesn't exist outside of time, but more he exists where ever he wants to be, where ever he thinks to be. There have been a few episodes of Voyager that have brought up the subject of Q and the Q Continuum, as well as a few novels that I personally would like to believe is canon.
Picard: "Listen, there is not a single thing or situation in all of time, space, or infinite dimensions that we could not fully handle, nor could an omnipotent being be an asset or lend assistance with. On your way, sunshine."
Q: O.o "Do you... do you hear yourself right now?"
And Riker is just as idiotic and 'Gung Ho!' It's a shame they didn't include a sensible crew member in the scene, to offer a sane counterpoint of view.
What you earn too cheaply you esteem too lightly. Nothing worthwhile is easy.
I cannot think of anything that would make Picard, his crew and their mission any more worthless than having an omnipotent chaperone ready to snap his fingers and make all their problems go away.
They are out there to learn - the hard way. To learn to grow and to grow is to suffer and grow stronger for it.
After all thats essentially the entire point of this episode. What Q lectures Picard about at the end is what Picard is willing to accept here: a bloody nose, but one they receive on their own terms under their own effort. Not because of Qs powers.
@@jmlaw8888 I get that, but given the things they have encountered, and what they know about the infinite reaches of space, time, and dimensions, to blithely say "There's nothing out there we can't handle!" is a bit... much.
@@bluehealer81 He didnt say that really though. He merely stated they are ready to encounter it. And they are. They have mastered interstellar travel and have a mission to seek out new life. Those are the only measurements in ignorance they can judge themselves by.
I look at it more as boldy accepting the risks rather than arrogantly dismissing the threat.
@@jmlaw8888 If Q didn't do what he did then the federation wouldn't have stood a chance against the Borg and that is a fact.
Q gave them a heads up in regards to the existence of the Borg and that made the federation prepared for their invasion.
Star Trek's version of Loki is the best.
"we'll just have to see how ready you are"
summons beans
NOT THE MAGICAL FRUIT!
@@D8W2P4 The more you eat, the more you toot.
@@CoreDreamStudios the more you toot the better you feel
@@sokonek1 Jadzia Dax is one part eel
@@gaymonsteraunt8973 oh god id love to hear her toots after some beans
"Look at what they do to mimic a fraction of our power"
Think Picard! Think!
At least in this case he actually said it twice :D
Q: Do you mock me?
Jack O'neil out of nowhere: Q, come on! You should know. Of course I dare mock you.
It's O'Neill With Two Ls... there's another Colonel O'Neil with only one L, he has no sense of humour at all :)
At a convention, someone asked RDA who his favourite villain was.
RDA: “.........Q?”
Michael Shanks: “Darth Vader?”
Jack was the ultimate clown.
O'Neil would be like:
"Q?... R, S, T, L, M, N, O..... P!? ...Oh, that reminds me... I had a coffee an hour a go and I really gotta pee."
"Would you ex-"Q"s me?"
@@LtFoodstamp this sounds so much like him hahaha
I love how Q puts them in their place by throwing them at one of the biggest threats the universe just to prove a point
Not just to prove a point. Q wanted humanity to be prepared, because the Borg were already working their way to the alpha quadrant. Without that encounter, humanity would've been absolutely destroyed when they finally arrived.
@@tek512 Section 13 would have stopped the Worf 395 cube.
Nothing a genesis device can't handle.
This was Q being a good guy. He's being a fourth-dimensional hyper-jerk who lies about everything (except for becoming mortal that one time) and doesn't want anyone to see anything beyond his smarmy exterior but Q sees enough promise in humanity that he doesn't want it extinguished by the Borg.
3:19 Think Picard, Think, what will you have after 500 years?!
"The grave I have occupied for 400 years?"
Classic Q, referencing a meme from a show hundreds of years in the past
@@edd4816 Not sure they had that show after WW3 in the Trek Timeline.
@@edd4816 Hehe, I had the same thought.
Q calls Picard arrogant, yet he always grants himself the rank of Captain whenever he shows up.
He always has to have the most pips in the room
Thats so Picard will think of him as an equal. Its also a way for Q to show respect and ridicule at the same time.
@@putridfenrir8508 If that was his goal then he would have made himself an Admiral.
What rank would you give to a god-like entity?
You can't BS a BS'r and Q called Riker and Picard on their arrogance.
Picard: "You are next of Kin to Chaos"
Discord: Oh Captain you have no Idea.
He never once made chocolate rain on the Enterprise though.
Unlike Ensign Gomez. Had it pouring all onto Picard.
I love how Worf seemed to think he could jump Q when he was sitting at the bar.
'The Romulans, the Klingons'
I so wish they'd done a shot of Worf just growling for a second or two.
Q and Data are possibly the most fascinating characters in all of fiction
Q has his merits, but for all Brent Spiner's ability Data is little more than a poor man's Spock.
@@1Tekkaman I didn't watch the original so this is a slightly uninformed take, but purely talking about character concepts, Data appeals to me more. It's way more fascinating to learn how this character approaches different situations, how he thinks, and his unique strengths compared to the rest of the crew.
"Some are almost respectable" xD - renounce my power.....great foreshadowing
For what? Help me out please :)
Q "We'll just have to see how ready you are"
Picard "OMG!! I've never seen so many baked beans in all my LIFE!!!"
Guinan: They will learn... adapt.
Q: Oho! That gives me an idea.
THANKS, Guinan. :P
I remember the first time I watched this episode. After Q's little taunt about seeing if they were ready to dance, something told me that the old phrase "Here there be dragons" was appropriate.
Good dialogue, good acting, good plot…. I love it all! And SAG was on strike!
3:19 Q predicting memes casually
If I was star fleet and a captain turned down a Q as a guide after being told they are not ready. I would of had him removed and put on desk duty.
Good show. . . Still watch it since I was a kid.
I think Guina would have been a cosmic creature, and in this scene it is very evident. They seem to have done some retcon later.
I still think the writers could pay homage to this later in Picard. Guinan could be Guinan and also host to something similar in scope to how trills are. Some cosmic entity. Maybe the Nexus from generations itself is sentient, and the guinan from "Generations" foward is but a Nexus powered construct made from her memories, which would explain how she still exists in both places.
I always had the notion that Guinan actually used to be a Q herself. One who left the Continuum for whatever reason and left her in not so good standing with our Q. The way he says he'll renounce his powers while giving her that very pointed glance and got me thinking that was a possibility. It's a shame that with TNG's episodic structure the idea of her and Q's history never was touched on again.
@@coleslade Equally good idea. Guinan's species isn't really explored in depth . The only thing we know about them it's a throwaway line about the Borg assimilating them. People take that as a sign that they are relatively weak, but for all we know their corporal forms may just be simply be manifested for our benefit. There existence maybe have simply been an experiment that lived past its use. The borg may have received nothing but biological husks for their efforts. Interfering with lower life forms in any way even to save themselves might be considered a violation of their own idea of the prime directive. Perhaps they were once more malevolent than even the q, and now operate under a vow of non interference to balance out their prior misdeeds. I am not a trek nerd, however it seems like there is a lot of room to retcon everything so it makes sense.
It's more they left it intentionally unclear. Sometimes having a mysterious aspect is better than any clear answer you could get.
@@strategicsage7694 I still feel like retcon. Q power level is just too Deux ex for Guinan to be like him.
Give Guinan super powers. Never mention it again in future episodes. That's not StarTrekking.
Can she fire a phaser 3 times in one minute in any weather?
It IS Trekkishness.
Very Voyager-esque.
@@vorpalrobot
Well sure, she doesn't even have a ramrod ... but her boss is a frog!
The canon explanation is that she had powers from being in the Nexus.
Ironic, given that the original series invented the phrase Checkov's Gun.
"Sir, do you MOCK me?"
"Not at all. That's the LAST thing I would do."
DAMN STRAIGHT!
When I heard "and microbrain!' I burst into laughter.
“Think Picard, think!”
The whole thing where every time Worf sees Q and Picard has to say "Worf" to stop him I sort of imagine that guy who starts calling for his friends to hold him back from a guy that is twice his size.
Odd suggestion: Play the Apollo 13 track "Docking" during the beginning of this scene...it fits perfectly.
I like how he says, "Worf." As if to say, "Don't growl like he said, it would be weird."
_"Think Picard, Think!"_
OH FUCK
i love how casually picard kicks worf out of the room before he murders q lol
Was Q trying to help? If he can go wherever he wants in time and space, he knew what would happen to Picard and Enterprise when meet the borg. So, if he was trying to help he would change the timeline, history, don't you agree? Anyway, how would he help about the borg, if Picard had accepted hin as a crew member, if he would renounce to his powers?
I think Q was trying to help for sure. The Borg were already on their way to Federation space and they had no idea about it. So while he put the Enterprise in danger, without it the Federation would have been wiped out. I think had Picard accept him as a crewmember, he would have found some way to introduce them to the Borg, I'm pretty sure it was his plan all along
He wanted to humble Picard, show him how easily his life and those under his command could perish in the face of unknown danger. Wanted to see if Picard could move past his arrogance and accept that there are limits you dare not cross. At first, Picard was stubborn and resolute; in the face of their annihilation & assimilation, that's when they had to give in. Q was all but willing to let them all die if Picard didn't accept the futility of their situation, but in the end Picard grew as Q wanted and he granted the grace period they needed to prepare. Character is what Q finds most impressive, not technology & numbers.
well, even if he renounces his powers, he will still retain most if not all of his knowledge and certainly a great deal of intelligence. so he would still be a really useful crewmember if picard had accepted him. he probably has the knowledge and intelligence to defeat the whole borg collective with a pencil.
and i think it was less "oh let me try and warn those poor humans about the terror of te borg that is on the way" and more "humans are entertaining and borg are boring. let me make sure the universe stays interesting by having these funny little monkey people in it"
@@philip8498 I dunno, in the EP where he *does* lose his powers there's one scene that shows he can only really ever thing as a Q
"It's simple, change the gravitational constant of the universe"
"We can't do that"
"Oh, well I don't know then"
I'm slightly paraphrasing there, but I think he's too set in his ways to effectively use his knowledge
@@monkeyman767 hmm. good point. he has probably never used anything such primitive technology.
a bit like trying to explain to a monkey how to make a plane when they can barely sharpen a stick.
3:18 THINK PICARD, THINK...
Picard was thinking 30 years before Mark.
The crew was rather suicidal, treating an entity like Q as if it was a clown. Sure it wasn't acting very seriously, but its power was absolute. The Q Kirk encountered was even more clownish but they quickly learned to fear it. It was plot armor that Q found their disrespect amusing. And their attitude stupid to the point of being pathetic.
I think they realize he could wipe them out if he wanted, and they're just fed up of him. They realize their odds are likely no different if they grovel, or tell him to sod-off. So they tell him to sod off because they don't want to be his playthings.
Worshipping power simply because it is powerful doesn’t seem like Picard. Or Kirk. They believe in ideals higher than simple brute force. Kind of the point of the show, really.
@@kauske Basically this. What does an ant care for the musings of humans, much as what does a human care for the musings of ants?
@@WufeiLord I also don't thing Q, or the continuum in general are interested in fear or worship anyhow. The whole thing was an exercise towards a point, moreso than just putting 'the fear of god' into the Enterprise and crew. Q showed them there is something out there they aren't prepared to fight well before it shows up on their doorstep unannounced, giving them time and motivation to prepare, as well as information. (It's just a shame that from a writing perspective, the borg are mostly a threat because no one exploits their glaring weaknesses, like how they ignore intruders on their ship and not a genuine threat in and of themselves.)
Kirk never encountered a Q.
3:21: "THINK PICARD! THINK!!!!!"
"Look What They Need to Mimic a Fraction of Our Power!"
Now we know about guinan, that hand thing she does against q is kinda silly.
silly maybe but it seems to do something to get Q to do silly hand thing back lol
Maybe it's the El'aurian version of a middle finger gesture shes giving him?
We also don't know if she's even really El'aurian. She's been around for hundreds and hundreds of years just near earth. And she seems to have existed LONG before then if we judge by how Q recognizes her and he hasn't been around humans since before we had clothing lol
@@Deepingmind maybe she's the race that spawned the Q? after all the Q had to come from some species they didn't just blink into existence
OH MY, unresolved mommy issues and anger spanning eons? I like it.
Q is one of the best characters ever!
"Think, Picard, Think"
Worf is standing in the background after he leaves you can see his arm in the door window
Must have been one long shot of the scene with cuts added only later.
Picard didn't want him to leave, he wanted him to guard the door so no one would enter while they're talking to Q.
the never did elaborate. Later Guinnen contradicts herself massively with the Borg
"one day, you can open negotiations with them and establish a friendship"
then in their next encounter "you cant negotiate with them. They wiped my people out."
Not contradictory at all. She was referring to the human species capacity at our stage of evolution in the 24th century as compared to that capacity hundreds or thousands of years into the future. Turns out Captain Janeway and her crew accelerated that evolution out of necessity aboard Voyager.
@@scottgurstein Guinnen says that she thinks humans can be friends with the Borg.
then when Hugh shows up, she goes full space-racist. "IT has no rights. IT is a thing not a person. You can't negotiate with IT"
@@AzguardMike I remember that scene. As I recall, she appeared to be speaking from her own place of personal trauma and anger towards the Borg as a species. She was being emotional in that moment, with her words distorted by the bias of her personal experience. Later in that same episode, she convinced Captain Picard to meet with Hugh, and experience the same transformational change of heart she experienced.
she is just el-aurian. lives long. thats it.
She is the one character they never explained
Not in the shot:
Q: "The hall is rented,
The orchestra engaged,
Lets see if you can dance?"
I love those lines. Yes, that I awesome to me. What a great set of lines.
In retrospect, Whoopi Goldberg's acting in this scene is brilliant...she's aware of the danger involved, and is extremely tense, watching the conversation between Q and Picard, knowing what could happen if Picard slips up...which he does big time.
3:19 *Insert Invincible meme here*
"Micro-brain" hahahahahaha
@ 2:08 "Worf, go to your room."
I really want to know the Dragon Ball Z shit that would have come out of their hands had they gone all out. I mean we've never seen Q in a combat stance. Like that was his honest posture getting ready to end something.... what could have possibly been released from that one hand?
0:34 Picard - Gainen is not the IS YOU here, you are :P well - trouble everywhere I guess xD
This is probably one of the most unexplored dead ends of character development in the the series.
I really wish they had done something with this. ANYTHING. It had the best setup and they threw it away. I want to know what Guinan's and Q's history was, and why she can fend him off. This had so much potential!
She cant fend Q off, if Q really wanted to kill her. Guinans own species was pretty much wiped out by the Borg. How is she going to stand against Q?
That stance of hers suggests the writers had an idea to give her the ability to fend off Q, but didn't know how to go forward with it to keep with the feeling of the show. Even so, I'd still love to know what those "dealings" were.
Q: "Where she goes trouble follows"
Picard: "I am rubber you are glue, anything you say bounces off me, and sticks back on you"
Q :"Sir, do you mock me?"
Picard: "Not at all, thats the last I would do."
Me: Spongebob meme "dO yOu MoCk mE?!"
Like, when you go into an RPG for the first time and head out into the world, only to get blasted to orbit by a giant's club.
next of kin to chaos.
powerful words!
I believe that humans would become like the Q, if not stronger eventually
When the human race starts the real space exploration (colonization) think about this scene.
Its a minniscule taste of the wonders and horrors that await us in space.
think Picard think 3:19
Guinan has never been explained. A species powerful enough to take on Q but brought down by the Borg
On Voyager Q's son does get a visit from Q when he summons a fleet of Borg ships to see what Janeway and the crew do.
Q is very displeased with his son and yells at him "don't provoke the Borg!".
This should indicate that even the Q avoid the Borg, for whatever reason.
"We have judged the Federation is ready for a higher form of warfare..."
3:17 I just realized this scene is the original "Think Mark, Think!"
"Can you stop, Blaze? I'm tired of waiting to see the pirate ship."
she has no power she did nothing when the borg attacked the ship
The Guinan character has more power than you can possibly imagine. She simply either wouldn't or couldn't use it, likely owing to self imposed non-interference directives on her species not much different than the Federation's Prime Directive. That would stand to reason, for a species capable of perceiving events and outcomes from the past, present, and future in a nonlinear temporal format and across multiple timelines.
@@scottgurstein she was the only one aware of the reality change in Yesterday’s Enterprise, if you ask me that’s quite the power
I sometimes wonder what Q would have done if his offer was accepted.
Remember their trial from the first episode never ended. If they had accepted then humanity would have failed.
Knowing Picard, the first week would have been swabbing the head
They made an episode somewhat like that, probably because many were wondering.
And that's why Picard is responsible for the borg PREMATURELY coming into contact with humanity. If only he had listened......
Q might have become extra-obnoxious about it later-on, seeing himself as savior.
But in a way, it might also have tempered him, especially if he has a crisis of purpose.
Still, though, usually you first have to break an insatiable character before actual change can occur.
Okay. since no one mentions it.
"THINK PIKAR THINK!!"
That's what I call chaotic neutral.
I see Ted Danson and Whoopi are having another on of their domestic fights….🤣
It's quite obvious Danson hated his genitalia.
2:58 Guinans dramatic walk haha
love the foreshadowing here
Think, Picard, think! Think of the possibilities!
I love the way Sir Patrick Stuart says “issue.” Idk why
Guinan. They will LEARN and ADAPT. Foreshadowing the Borg
3:19 - *"THINK MARK... THINK!"*
It was very annoying that her powers were never even shown off tacitly. I mean it looked there that she had something comparable to Q's power as he hesitates to even engage instead of just blinking her away like he would Warf or someone like that
Just noticed that you can see Worf standing outside the door when he is dismissed. Not sure if to get Michael Dorn out of the scene or to imply Worf is eavesdropping waiting to jump Q xD
3:18 - "Think, Picard, think!"
- Q, Viltrumite
My god! He turned then into beans!
I wish we could know more about guinan.... by what she said and did here, it seems she is not as powerful as Q, but almost. I can only imagine what powers she has. She probably has a very interesting background.
Love Q was one the gratest characters in all startrek. The fact he can transport you any where or when alone is the true meaning to explore. But the fact the crews in any case always say no. Cause they want to learn and evolve
It's usually a tempting trap. If you take a shortcut he'll go Leprechaun on you and turn it against you. He's constantly testing humanity.
@@vorpalrobot id still love to go with him and see what he sees, and how. To go beyond the reaches of mere star systems, galaxies, and universes, to higher plains of reality and time. 4th, 5th dimensions or past even that.
Like having a bored max level take a level 1 newbie around a game world.
And just as likely to let them die as to boost them up.
But either way, the newbie doesn't get to play and enjoy the game for themselves.
I guess I know now where Invincible's "think" meme came from.
3:19 STTNG did it before Invincible :P
I’ve always wondered if Guinan’s race was immune to the Q Continum’s abilities….
So why did they never discuss Guinans powers?
does she have any powers as far as we know she just has an extremely love life span that's all as long or longer then a Vulcan otherwise we know nothing about her race when we really start to look at her race not much is known about them may explain why the Borg were so interested they they obviously couldn't hold off the Borg which suggests no powers as the Q can play with the Borg and planets like pool balls
Bad writing.
@@geonerd Seems like they had envisioned a much more interesting background for her than what ultimately materialized.
TNG:"You are next of kin to chaos."
MLP:"Hold my cider."
Always wanted to know what ginnen was
3:19 - THINK, PICARD! THINK!
YES this is what i was looking for thanks
It's a shame they never explored Guinan's & Q's story.
Both Guinan and Q are in the new series of Picard!
Implying she had abilities that worried or challenged even the Q, and then doing NOTHING with it, was a huge mistake. She was the bartender, and occasional backup counselor. Nothing beyond that.
I think Q always vaguely regretted what he did in this episode. Why he created the "Do Not Antagonize the Borg" rule for his son.
Well, this probably helped lead to his being de-powered. The Q seem to be more the, "observe and record but stay out of the way mindset." The Borg getting stirred up at anytime is a F5 cosmic shit tornado.
I just watched that episode and he didn't create the rule, he says the Q Continuum did, so maybe he got in trouble for this. But also he undid all the messes his son had created, and he was trying to keep his son from being kicked out of the continuum, so he's understandably upset.
@@sarahberkner Fair. I phrased that badly. He stresses that rule with his son because I think at least some part of him regretted setting the Federation and the Borg on that collision course. Delay it even a century and Picard never becomes Locutus, Sisko still has a happy family, MILLIONS are still alive, and by the time the Federation runs into the Borg they've already outstripped it in tech even if the Borg has survived the Undine.
Seriously, with lines about being next of kin to chaos, is this why he got cast for MLP?
Yep, Discord was based on Q from the start. The production team was looking for a sound a like when they found out the original actor could do it.
@@tenofprime They were kinda shocked he took the role.
Think Mark! Think!
I'm not sure, but i guess Guinan obvisiouly knew what Q was up to after hurling the Enterprise-D into the delta quadrant. She is omnipotent just like he is, so it is conceivable that she is not entirely innocent, at least with the incident and the contact with the Borg.
at 2:08, Worf was going to attack Q from behind. We learn in an other TNG episode that this is dishonorable... There is a lack of consistancy there
I reeeeeaally want to know what Q meant about Guinan