Gain Stacking With Pedals Makes Your Life Better. (Yes It Does)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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In this episode, Daniel and Mick discuss what happens when you use two or more overdrive/boost pedals stacked together... into both clean and overdriven amp channels.
Using an Xotic EP Boost, Keeley Modded Boss BD-2 Blues Driver and JHS Angry Charlie, the guys explain and demonstrate what happens when you use the pedals in different orders, and how the amp's level of overdrive has a fundamental effect on the resultant tone.
As ever there are no hard-and-fast rules - That Pedal Show is here to help you apply what we discuss to your own pedals and rig to inch ever closer to that sound in your head!
Daniel is playing his 2002 Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul Standard. Mick is playing his c2000 Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster. The amp today is a Mesa Boogie Lonestar head and Zilla 1x12 oversize cab with a Celestion G12H-75 Creamback.
As ever, effects switching is handled effortlessly by TheGigRig G2.
Thank you for watching and for more on TheGigRig, please visit www.thegigrig.com
they've got 20 grand worth of gear in the video and they have to share a guitar cable
😅😅that's funny!!
Hahaha
I went through this recently. I have 7 PRS guitars, 3 amps, 42 effect pedals, 4 9v batteries, and no power supply. I wanted to plug a few things in and realized out of all this shit, I have 1 -10' TS cable....bought 2 more....now I have 3 in case Nirvana comes over.
Hi guys! I just discovered your channel a few weeks ago, and I'm doing my best to catch up with all your great videos! This one was particularly interesting, but I have learned so much from your previous videos, too! Can't wait for the next one!
Really nice instructive videos guys !
Guys, have you done one on "Overdrives through fuzzes" combos ala Doyle Bramhall II ? Love your videos!
That's backwards, the way you said it anyway (just trying to help you)I am a session guy in Nashville. And fuzz is ran first, then into overdrive..Ala Doyle Bramhall II, and the rest of us in Nashville. Of course it can be done both ways. But this will accommodate the full fuzz range and give you the most tones, and control (by using your volume and tone on the guitar) Otherwise it takes your fuzz character, away.
Hi guys - amazing as always! Really love you taking the time to go through this. Any chance of Mick showing us how he does the blues lick at 19:00? It's down beside the E chord and sounds awesome. Thanks!
Mick says: Hi AJ. On a train so have some time to reply! If you mean the sort of open string thing in G, it's totally stolen from David Grissom (who is one of my favourite ever players). So, slide down from C# to C on the A string while also playing the open G string. Then B on the A string, G on on E string and pick the open G and D. Hybrid picking helps! Hope that explains it. Then go listen to David Grissom play it properly. :0)
Oops, make that B flat on the A string, not B!
+Daniel TheGigRig Thank you so much, you have made my day! Will listen to David Grissom too... :-)
+Daniel TheGigRig Huge David Grissom fan here.
He was the guy who made me realise it was legal to play country/steel licks with a rock tone :-)
Can you make a video about the "road to pedalboard"? it should show the pedals an intermediate guitar player should buy from having none to having a decent pedalboard that allows him to survive in a pop/rock gig.
and maybe comment common mistakes people make when building precarious pedalboards. I will sure make them
+marcos9pies yes, we'll be going a pedalboard special on the That Pedal Show channel soon :)
Thanks for the reply, teacher. I learn so much with you guys
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A SHOW ON 4 CABLE METHOD AND THE PROPER WAY TO SET UP YOUR CHAIN IN AN FX PROCESSOR? I AM JUST GETTING CONFUSED AS WHERE MY FX NEED TO BE IN THE CHAIN!!! PRE/POST CONFUSION OVER HERE!!!
THANK YOU!!!!
MY GEAR: POD HD500X / MARSHALL TSL100 JCM 2000 (4 CABLE METHOD)
I've been playing guitar for about 18 years now semi-pro and have learned more about pedals and gain structure in the last 2 months watching your videos than i have in 18 years. There isn't enough proper education about pedals and pedal usage out there. Great job guys, keep it up!
Thanks Mark :)
Totally agree. these fellas rock hard and really explain important aspects of how the pedals operate in this video, and I always learn so much from their others videos as well. Really well done.
Ditto, really like these shows
Serioulsy. This video among others has made my drri and pedals with strat come ALIVE!. THANK YOU GUS SO MUCH.
+רון סטלקול
how do you know how rock hard they are?
Mick holds his guitar like MJ held his baby.
+J583 Please no... Child molestation is not a joke...
+SickMetalAddict you'd love frankie boyle if you googled him ;)
tonyk playter Did he commit to it or did he joke about it?
SickMetalAddict just youtube him for godsake, it actually would of been faster for you to do that than ask me and wait for a reply
tonyk playter same goes to u xP but yea I read his jokes
Dan loves sound. You can see genuine excitement in his face! Thats another reason i like these guys, they mean it. And it shows. Top stuff. World of knowledge.
Absolutely love these two. I want them to sit with me and my rig for a day, help me make it work 😂
18:40 . Stacking a Blues Driver with an Angry Charlie? Pfft that'll never catch on. ;)
LOL
Humor. BOSS and JHS collaborated to make the Angry Driver, which combines the JHS Angry Charlie and the BOSS Blues Driver. So Dan and Mick did Something here that did catch on.
noisesoundtonevibe i think that's what the original comment was getting at.
@@cleftturnip7774 r/wooosh
Lol!
Love how they run the Blues Driver into the Angry Charlie here only for it to become a Boss/JHS pedal a few years down the line!
I thought the ep booster into the angry charlie was better!!
That EP Booster really wakes up a Strat.
O- Tay lookin for nub in all da wong pwaysis
@@whatyoumakeofit6635 its wookin pa nub
"Little bit if gain there" :D
Guys, you are THE BEST in the whole internet when it comes to not only demoing but especially EXPLAINING the nature of guitar sounds, thank you for opening my mind and ears!
I want an EP booster because of watching this
Thanks guys. Your show became a staple in my week really quickly! Keep em coming!
When Dan laughs at the Strat at 5:11 - is hilarious!!! Very hoity-toity "British". Loved it...
18:47 The yet to be born, amazing, JB-2 Angry Driver! Did Josh Scott watch this episode?
Nice videos guys! I am learning a lot and getting a lot of ideas for how to setup up tones!
Thank you!!
+Jens Larsen Cheers Jens ;)
I have to check some more of your videos, but I might return with a few questions :) I really like the fact that you explain the impact of different guitars and amps and how they work with the pedals. This is always overlooked!
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I stupidly lost the login password. I love any assistance you can offer me.
@Otis Kareem instablaster =)
@Zaid Benson Thanks for your reply. I found the site on google and im trying it out atm.
Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Isn't it great how gain and feedback can make a grown man giggle :D The Angry Charlie is insane! Great explanation and demo of how different single and humbucker pickups can affect what you get from the amp/pedals. And the gain stacking details is great too.
Great stuff lads.lots to think about here. One of my favourite episodes.
Just one thing I want to know is how is the buffer in the Blues Driver affecting the other two pedals ?I have a J Rockett Archer pedal which has a buffer in it and I have to be aware where I place it in my pedal chain,especially next to my fuzz pedal.
Has there ever been an amp or pedal review that doesn't contain the phrase "clean up beautifully" ??
man, when he punched the EP Boost into the Blues Driver, that Strat just sat up and grabbed you by the... well, ahem! LOL Soooo sweet!
These guys should play a song with a full band occasionally, if they haven't.
+LiberaLib Yep, would be nice to know how all this actually sounds in the mix. That can be eye-opening.
hey let's demo $30,000 worth of gear but let's not buy an extra cable
BRILLIANT
I have accumulated well over 50+ pedals mostly overdrives,probably $500 in high end patch cords,multiple pedal loopers. It so fun to just mix n match. But more often than not you end up with the basics. Like liquor mixing more than 3 taste like crap.
I have trouble with more than two, but yeah. My solution has been to split up the signal and run different stuff in parallel, and I even split the clean channel so that I can pan two amps with a Tremolo. Girth above Gain.
Fun to watch these old classics once in a while.
Great video! I saw it at least 4 times already :) I recently purchased Mesa Boogie Mark V 25 but I do not have a speaker cabinet yet. So I got this idea that maybe you guys could try to shot some video with heads and cabinets to see how it works.. I can imagine that it can be a really time consumig to do that, but.. Maybe my prayers will be heard :)
Cheers!
Yes, working on it :)
+Daniel TheGigRig Oh man!!! Thanks! Can't wait to see it! Take care :)
+Ľubo Ivan Since it's been two months you've probably already gotten a cab, but if you haven't I'd look into the ported closed back 1x12 with the C90. It sounds amazing on every mode of the 5:25
Would you consider doing a piece on noise gates?
Hmmmmm, maybe :))
+Daniel TheGigRig LIKE LIKE LIKE
+Daniel TheGigRig
Stack them all into an overdriven amp with a proper gate, equalizer and the like. If you wanna distill pure evil, you gotta filter it. It would definitely be outside of most of our needs, but c'mon. Do it. Probably ideal for downtuning and standard-range "heavy" stuff. However, a mid boost could lend a more classic sound, as you guys seem to demonstrate here. Don't sweep all the "quirks" out of the EQ though. That's the neat bit. Like a supercar. It's not the wringing power out of it that's impressive (we all know how to put our foot down), but controlling it. If you can cut the feedback down with these aids, your hands are freed up to kick more ass, ya know.
noise gates get really interesting when you use them triggered by other instruments - like drums etc - you can get some VERY interesting effects!
This is an excellent demo. Makes you realise how many factors are involved in getting the sound in your head to the actual sound you want to hear. How many of us have great gear but aren't applying it in the right way? Loads I bet especially after watching this. Excellent job, well done Dan & Mick.
Could you make a video about buffers? It placement and how interact with wahs and fuzz? Awesome show guys, I really love all the information! keep it up, greetings from Mexico!
+javier gallegos HI Javier, yes, we have a video on buffers planned ;)
Daniel TheGigRig great! you guys are the best!
Guys...why not use an A/B Y switcher to switch between two cabled guitars?
The Sugarbuzz Project they do in newer vids
This is truly one of the best drive stacking videos out there. I've watched em all it seems, and I continue to come back to this as a reference. Great stuff guys!
5:25 cant wait to get an e poo booster
e-poo booster gives a bit more of a brown-sound over the e-pee booster that give a bit of a golden sheen to the sound.
Great show. Interestingly, David Grissom I believe cranks his master volume up all the way and adjusts the preamp. He has great tone - as did you two here. Sounded great.
Great video as always guys :0) I use the clean channel with the EP Booster on all the time because it gives the clean sound a bit of girth. For boosting for solos i use the custom audio MC 401, which is an amazing clean boost, which you can put before or after the distortion/Overdrive pedals and it doesn't colour the sound at all, you should check it out :)
45:06 - power amp question here if you have the time. I have an amp that everyone says "sounds the best with the master volume past 1:00" My question is this: what exactly is the defining factor in getting 'that sound' is it the position of the volume knob, or the volume of the sound coming out of the speakers.
Scenario 1: volume knob 1:00 with only a guitar plugged in. 110 db
Scenario 2: volume knob 1:00 with a volume pedal turned down 95db
Scenario 3: volume knob 9:00 with a cranked ep booster 120 db
Will scenario 2 sound good, since 'the volume knob is at 1:00 even though the volume is quiet? Would it make the 'magic sound' even at a low volume for bedroom playing? Will scenario 3 sound good, because the volume knob is below the optimal position even though the output is louder?
I guess it boils down to this: How can you really tell how hard your power tubes are working? Is the volume, or the knob position the most critical factor? If you read all of this, Thank you.... really!
"Sounds good" means different things to different people. But once you are running the power amp beyond the linear gain region, the power tubes start to compress the dynamic range, and start giving some harmonic distortion products. In a tube amp, the harmonic distortion tends to be even order harmonics, which add up to a sine wave and sounds relatively sweet (for distortion) and mid-heavy. Other things can add their own flavor of distortion as they go non-linear, like the output transformer that matches the impedance of the plates (anodes) on the tubes to the speakers. So, in answer to your question, as you turn up the volume knob, you will start hearing changes in the tone as the power amp starts reaching non-linearity. It will sound "fatter" and compressed. You can get this effect without the huge volume levels by using an attenuator (also called a power soak) to siphon off some percentage of the power from the speakers. Some amps (like my Hughes and Kettner TubeMeister 18) can give multiple levels of output attenuation, up to 100% - no audio gets to the speakers, but I can run a line level signal out to a clean amp (like a home theater amp or powered speakers) or mixer board.
Awesome information guys. Keep up the great work. I've learned so much from your videos.
Hmm. Many dictionaries accept "unwieldly" as an alternative to "unwieldy"...
Best gear show around. One of the few that isn't just a commercial!
Thanks guys! This show and the one on equalizer pedals are my favorites so far. Something you touched on a bit in this show, that I would love to hear more about, is using multiple guitars going through the same rig. What are some strategies for playing different guitars through the same rig without having to change the settings on one's amp, overdrive, distortion and fuzz pedals every time you switch guitars? I'm guessing you guys have already thought of this as a topic for a future show. :)
2 sheds ago and passing the guitar lead to each other. 2016 seems a lifetime away
wow love seeing this early episode of That Pedal Show!
Still valid, yet the science has evolved.
I've spent a fortune on pedals since watching these guys! Another great video gents.
You and me both. I could open a small pedal shop.
Mick says, “if you were playing a strat at this point…”
Dan replies, “is it on yet?”
i've tried so many pedals and stacking combinations. To my ears it just never sounds as good as tube distortion or tube overdrive with a boost. I have a vintage rat, fuzzes, tubescreamer, compressors, and king of tone and I feel like I should just sell it all because I still just like a cranked up amp better. My favorite into a dirty amp is the King Of Tone
One day in the near future, they'll create an 'AngryCharlie'...lol
That almost looks like a Timmons rig.
It would be nice to know how you have the dip switches set on the ep booster, so we can better judge what is actually happening when it goes through the angry Charlie.
You guys should create a curriculum and create a school;D I feel like I learn so much. I immediately apply what you guys do with my own gear and can really create a sound I like applying your knowledge! = Perfect class
Great show as always guys. Thanks for putting in the effort. Keep em coming!
I use a Mesa F-50 combo. I use the drive channel for drive, no distortion or OD box. The amp has a lot of mid and bottom end not so much edge and crispiness. I currently use a Boss 7 band EQ stomp box as a solo boost. Would it be better for me to use the EQ as a rhythm cut, (the EQ off to give a solo boost) and also cut some mid frequency so my rhythm sound is less midrange-like. This would also put the mids back in for solos. Or would I be better off with a treble booster? Thoughts anyone?
Could you use a compressor (Ross Style) in a similar way to how you are using the EP booster, to push another gain pedal a bit more on the input?
Three years late, but I use a Boss CS-3 like this to great effect. Relatively aggressive settings so good for a clean gain boost or near-crunch cutting rhythm.
The set looks great! Nice vid as always.
5:24 "what the E-Poo booster will give you...." 😂💩💩💩
Just ordered three new overdrive / boosts, so thought I should watch this, and realised it is two years old, to the day. Um, that's all...
8:38 Imagine having a dad who when you shred makes those faces. I'd be one happy kid.
Strat into Tubescreamer set to unity volume with the gain all off going into another tubescreamer set to gain at 12 o clock and level at 2 o clock into a rather mid scooped amp works wonders for me ;)
Been waiting for this all morning! Killer guys you make my Fridays just that much better!
Mine too :)
+timfender0740 Same! This is the exact subject I was hoping they would cover as I've started stacking pedals and have little experience with it. And you just know it's gonna be helpful and accessible. Oh this is gonna be good!
Great show from guys who really know their onions! Introduced myself to Mick yesterday at London's Acoustic Exhibition yesterday. Great guy and an awesome musician. Keep it up boys
Great Info! Really enjoying this series.I know there's a ton of material to cover, but I'd like to see a comparison of Vibe pedals and how their characteristics change based on pedal order. Thanks!
I've learned more from you guys on pedals in the last year I've been watching than the 30 years I've been playing guitar. I love using pedals on a great clean channel amp an you guys have helped so much. Thank you. What version Angry Charlie is that? I'm officially intrigued. I have a hi-gain KoT I just received. Also two Klon clones that use one on the front in for clan boost and one for its own OD. Thanks!!
Another great episode gents! My most fave thing to do on a Friday morning is watch that pedal show!! Keep up the great work! :)
Thanks for taking the time guys, this exactly what I've been working on lately.
Informative, entertaining and inspiring all in one package ,plus no annoying ads! Gig rig is a very versatile tool. One day...
So young ☺️
Hi… You may have done some of this but there are quite a few modern clones out there of classic old school pedals. How about some A-B to hear how close the pedal makers have come. One example: there are a few Echorec clones out there. How do they stack up to the original tape unit etc….
You provide well-made videos with extensive infos and lovely sounds. Thanks
Absolutely love your videos from day one! I learn a lot and enjoy how you get along with each other. Laugh and learn, the best combination!
Great show! really like the productionquality and ofcourse your playing and knowledge :)
Some questions.
what mic/mics do you use to record the guitar cabs?
any effects added in DAW?
if possible, post the signalchain from mic/mics to audio interface :)
Do you always use the same gear to record the cabs?
thx and keep on doing what you do :)
I've jumped around pedal order 1000 times over the last decade or so. With Strats I've always had compressor (OTA)*/Tube Screamer-esq OD/ Triangle or Ram's head Big Muff/ EQ (to shaped what's coming out of the guitar, unless I'm using the Muff)/ lighter OD like a Timmy or Klon KTR/ then any AIAB drives/ Preamps/ Tape echo emulator into the input.
The loop would have modulation/delay/Reverb/second EQ. The EQ I typically used more for a volume control: I'd set my gain where I wanted, the Master Volume to the sweet spot then use the EQ almost like a Master Volume for everything BEFORE they output section.
After years I eventually ended up using a Marshall Silver Jubilee and Dumble clone, at which point I discovered that unbeknownst to me, all of those pedals that I was using were ultimately in the effort to get the tone that those 2 amps were providing.
After then it kind of had me reverse everything. Boosts and lower gain overdrives were at the end, going from higher gain down to clean boosts, all to what the amps did, then getting progressively higher gain the closer they came to the guitar. The only things that stayed were the first EQ and the Muff. I use the Muff with midrange either after if I wanted a David Gilmore or Eric Johnson lead tone with my Strat, or going into it to give me a "Marshall Stack with everything at 10." Though to be honest, with the midrange goosing the front end of the Muff, if I were to tell you it was a Les Paul into a Marshall you'd have no reason to doubt it, as opposed to aStrat with vintage output pickups.
*I've always OTA comps, like a Keeley or Dyna Comp more as a clean boost/fattener with my Strat into a clean or cleanish amp, and FET or optical for actual compression, like that squishy chord work or to even out everything.
Tip: with higher wattage amps, if you want to be able to play it at lower volumes, using it in conjunction with the EQ as I described how I used it in the loop can REALLY give it that realistic full sounding tone you get when you have the master volume up, but with it rolled down. This works better with an FET or optical, but you can get it pretty close with one of the newer type OTA comps that have a wet/dry blend like an Ego press, Compressor plus, etc. You'll want to use it at the end of the chain either before or after the loop EQ (depends on the rig).
Stop making me want stuff!
This is a great episode to revisit. I’ve just discovered that my EP booster into my boss OD-3 into my blues cube is fantastic
24:17 "just for shits and giggles...." Cracked me up! Love the show and all the good info. Thanks.
And here I am watching this again for about the 4th time...
What about setting your drive channel as a boost and combine it with some low, medium and high gain OD pedals?
Hi Dan, how about the difference between extreme clean and on the verge of breakup? There's a lot of guys using the pedal without volume boost, so their OD is only the pedal. If you use your pedals that way, what's the point of having a tube amp?
EP Boost + a strat is the perfect combination. I love mine so much.
“That Pedal Show” doesn’t have an a/b pedal to switch between guitars?
Maybe they didn’t have those six years ago….
And conveniently JHS and Boss collaborated and put the blues driver and angry Charlie together in one pedal that can switch the signal chain order with a knob - the angry driver.
Going between the clean channel and overdrive channel is why I never sold my Tim OD. Being able to use it with the gain on the Tim down low as a boost, and the gain boost for the Tim to make it sound like a Timmy when using it as an overdrive is worth the added size of the enclosure. Although I do wish it wasn't so damn tall. I use to have a Pedaltrain with a hardshell case made it so I had to take the Tim off and carry it separate.
You are real forerunners of the "angry diver". Thanks to exist
I don't use the overdrive channel on my victory v30. I just use the clean channel and put overdrive etc in front. Don't like sharing eq
Hi, apologies if this has been answered further down. What position have you got the dip switches set on the EP booster? Thanks
+pjlenny22 hi, its just the standard setting straight out of the box ;)
what do you think of the marshall JVM amp line? thinking of buying the 50watt 2x12 combo
I had the jvm410 h. Best amp I've ever had. Just big ! Lol
big muff into a timmy into a fender amp is still probably my favourite
"gain stacking" combination. It totally fixes the big muff from getting
completely lost in the mix.
M Fb I like stacking a TS808 into a Big Muff for that result.
And also placing an EQ with a mid hump shape after the Muff
I love a Muff into a Power Booster into a dual amp rig (Bassbreaker15 & Tweed Blues Jnr). Yuge!
Sometimes I got TS9>Muff>Power Booster.
Why are you trying to make the Mesa Boogie sound like a Marshall JCM800?
cool video
now i know what louis ck would look like if he worked out.
I'm just here for their O 😒😮💨faces ...lol
The Angry Charlie is fantastic.
"Can u do that with a Les Paul? ... No" hahahahha 19:30
Great videos this is exactly what RUclips is about and beats everything on tv! Quick question, what is the flightcase that you are using? Looks the exact size I am looking for? Cheers
hi, i have a question, i have a stratocaster, i use a bd-2 as main overdrive and a sd-1 as booster. i saw a video of you explaining that a compressor works great after overdrive but, works stacking overdrive pedals too?
As there are no rules, how about turning it round and use a compressor at less than unity output to clean up a cooking amp, and sprinkle some other toys before and after it as you see fit in a future video?
+1 on the idea for buffers, loops and boosts. Maybe also add in a wireless guitar signal to the rig at the back of stage and using a pedalboard (incl wah?) at the front of stage with cables running back and forth.
Im here to comment ab my anger towards the way you hold that guitar in the thumbnail
Yes! Gain Stacking is the way forward!
Les Paul into a mkiii boogie is my everything 🤘🏼
4:21 just got the chills!
sorry should have mentioned I'm using a strat