HIRMS Varyag - Guide 271
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- The unique cruiser Varyag, a protected cruiser of the Imperial Russian Navy, is today's subject.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
What do you think of nuclear torpedos?
What is the black line between the red anti-fouling paint of the lower hull and de grey paint of the upper hull and what is its function?
Do you think the biggest ships in Zheng He's treasure fleet ever really existed the way their size is described, given that not even in the 1800s wooden, metal-reinforced ships of smaller size had trouble not breaking on the open ocean?
You should make a video about what exactly represented (or was designated as) a gunboat over time and in various navies. Not only purpose built ones, but also converted trawlers and other merchant/auxiliaries. I think it's a much neglected subject and a mini-series about the actual deployment and wartime use of such vessels would be extremely interesting.
any plan covering Battle of Trafalgar?
“We need a ship for engaging enemy torpedo boats.”
Kamchatka: 🙋🏻♀️
“NOT YOU!”
"Do you see Torpedo Boats??"
At least the varyag never had the indignity of having binoculars thrown at them i guess lolol
Kamchatka someone call me I'm coming
*(Distant Sounds of Aristocratic Russian Swearing)*
@@weldonwin don’t forget the faint splash of thrown binoculars
I love the stories about these ships that seem to be so unwilling to die. fights, survives, is scuttled, raised, swaps nations... Man, she had an impressive spirit.
Warspite, watching the Varyag running aground on her way to the breakers :
"- Mmmh, I should keep that in mind if I have to suffer the same indignity after I'm withdrawn from service."
It belonged in a museum!
The USS Enterprise should have learned her lesson from Varyag. It was a disgrace that the Big E was scrapped.
Sounds like Varyag was on board with the revolution herself - refusing to be handed over to the Royal Navy and not going to the scrappers without a fight either!
That's just towing stuff out of Portsmouth, Holland 1 sank under tow latter being salveged for a museum ship as she was the RN's first sub, HMS Neptune rammed HMS victory on the way to the breakers nearly sinking the venerable first rate, As mentioned the old lady warspite went around on rocks on the way to the breaker's from pompy, and to add a bit of spice to the demise of our last battleship vanguard tried to ram a pub on her way out.
It always pleases me when a ship decides it's own fate on the way to the breakers yard!
Ship to breakers - Hell no, I won’t go!
@@WayneBorean Meanwhile Canarias..........
Something in common with the U.S.S. Wolverine. (Originally named U.S.S. Michigan.) sm
Warspite…..
Varyag: "I'll not go to the breakers!" Runs aground.
Royal Navy: "Very well, we shall break you up in place here."
Varyag: "I've decided that I'll allow that."
There is a memorial to Varyag not far from where she ran aground and was scrapped.
For those interested it is just off the A77 trunk road half a mile south of Lendelfoot in South Ayrshire in Scotland. And it is signposted.
Only 10mins from me ;)
I have been there a few years ago during a scotland roadtrip. Just be accident i saw the signs, turned the car around and visited the memorial. Very interesting bit of history, but truth be told you can't throw a stone in scotland without hitting an interesting bit of history.
Fun fact: after the Russian-Japanese War, the Japanese Emperor presented the captain of "Varyag" - Rudnev the Order of the Rising Sun
Awesome.
Soviet Russia: "Hey, you can't just seize our property!"
UK: "What part of 'Communism' do you not understand?"
Good one !🤣
Begins to starve
Brilliant!
The ship belonged to the soviet. Your joke displays your ignorance.
@@hektor6766 Your lack of humor displays your lack of intelligence.
fun fact: During the restoration of the Varyag, the Japanese left a golden inscription "Варягъ" on its stern as a sign of respect for Russian sailors
👍
What did it mean?
That’s it’s name in Cyrillic
@@johnlavery3433 Not quite a name actually. "Varyag" is a transcribed version of the "væringjar" that was the name for those vikings who went south to serve as mercenaries for Byzantium since VIII AD . On they way some of them actually decided to settle in Russia (from Novgorod to Kiev) and joined the local ethnoses, and thus as time went on, by XI AD the term began to include their descendants as well, contrasting them to Normans who were of "pure Norseman blood"
I always enjoy stories of ships that seemed to refuse to die easily. She was sunk, salvaged, stayed in service a few more decades, then ran aground on her way to the breakers. The type of ship that gives life to the idea that ships are living things. In many ways, some certainly are.
Always warms my heart when a great ship resists scrapping by running aground.
A pity Varyag didn't make it back to Russia. Maybe she could've been preserved alongside Aurora.
Mum wake up new drachinfel upload
😂
Drachinfel and coffee. Excellent start for her day. 👍👍👍
Drach, what is your opinion on Varyag's battle? Did she managed to land a single hit or not? Russian and Japanese sources contradict each other because reasons...
Short personal story:I was 7 yo back in 1983 when I got presented by the book about Varyag with lots of pictures (most were renditions of photos of that time). That sparked my interest in naval history especially the pre-dreadnouth era and finally led me to your channel just 3 years ago.
I always find it amazing how a ship is either scuttled or sank then sometime later re-floated and put back into service.
Sounds eerily similar to Warspite in fighting for so long, then dragging her heels to prevent being scrapped.
Neil Sedaka: You know that breaking up is hard to do
@@fr.joeobrien3678 Neil Sedaka: Better Days are coming
Maybe they were related.
@@Tuning3434 Och Aye! But for the allegiantly variable, valiant Varyag the better days must be found in some nautical afterlife.
Both Russians and the Brits recognised their exploits and their names would live on contemporary vessels: a nuclear submarine and a rocket cruiser
Varyag: Hoists communist flag
Royal Navy: *She will make a fine addition to our collection*
You could say the Royal Navy socialized the ship.
It was clearly a piece of history and they had some staff on loan from the British Museum.
Any excuse for getting something for free...
Royal navy: yoink 😂
A case of the Royal Navy keeping up a fine tradition i.e. the enemy has a nice boat, we'll have that then.
Varyag: *surprised Pikachu face*
I'm pretty sure one of the six inch guns from this ship is located in a park a couple kilometers from my house here in Japan. I haven't been able to prove it, but it was donated to a local shrine by the Kure arsenal waaaay back when.
Might be possible to figure it out, I'm certain the same year Japanese gun would be more similar to a contemporary British piece than to one of Varyag's guns
I'm beginning to develop a fondness for the Russian navy of that era - whilst entirely sympathetic to the plight of their crews, the history of their ships of that time seem to be very colourful!
Holy crap. She goes into battle, fights valiantly but is lost. Sinks, but is raised. Put BACK into service for the enemy. Then gets handed back to its original owner. Lands in a third party's hands, and is finally lost going to the breakers. THAT'S some history!
Legendary ship, and one every Russion knows and loves. Also, one of the most beautiful ships of the steam era. Thank you for finally looking at this one. How about you look at Depuis de Lome next, an other extremely beautiful vessel from that time.
Aww, I, as a Russian, hoped for a longer video about Varyag, probably the most iconic ship in Russia. A nice video though.
Knowing Drach, this may just be an intro and he'll do a Wednesday vid on it later. He's done that with several notable ships.
Isnt aurora pretty significent as well?
@@haradimitroula3175 NO!
@@mikhapetrovich4907 😂 so it seems I do not have to ask about Potemkine 😇 Regards
@@khaelamensha3624 Drach has a video about the _Potemkin,_ too. The story about that famous ship is actually longer and more complicated than Eisenstein showed in his propaganda picture. The ship fled across the Black Sea, to Istanbul, where it was detained. Later, some of the mutinous crew were turned over to Russian authorities and jailed. They had originally rebelled against bad food and inept officers.
Врагу не сдаётся наш гордый "Варяг,"
Пощады никто не желает!
Really though, her fate post that battle is in a way even more fascinating - I don't think there are that many ships that ended up in 3 different navies.
Are we counting her service with the Russian navy once, twice or three times. Once for her original service. Second when she was returned and third when she went from the Russian Imperial service to the Soviet navy.🤔 For a small ship life can get very confusing.
Varyag was more of an isolated revolutionary ship of the Russian navy than a Soviet ship as the Red Fleet had not come into being yet.
SMS Niobe. Imperial German navy, Reichsmarine, Royal Yugoslav Navy, Regia Marina, then back to German navy.
@@iansadler4309 And she was also twice captured and once transferred peacefully, just like Varyag... Really interesting story. (ADD... Although IDK how to classify Varyag's... err... hostile salvage? by Japanese post-war.)
Varyag and Warspite over a drink.
Warspite: Can you believe these humans? I literally serve in two wars, survived said wars, took heavy damage that would have doomed any other ship. Even when I dig my heels in, and think it is unfair that I get scrapped, they do it anyway. Unbelievable.
Varyag: Расскажите мне об этом.
@Otosj van Tolerbok Thank you. I didn't see my grammar error.
Actually, there's no direct equvalent of the "tell me about this" in Russian ))
The closest I can think about is "And you tell this to whom?" ("Кому ты это рассказываешь?")
@@Юрьич-ч7ф yeah, my russian is not good. I can translate a text (if I've given enough time) but when it comes to slang and phrases, I'm out. But thank you.
@Otosj van Tolerbok oh, thank you.
@@Niels_Larsen @Otosj van Tolerbok no criticism intended, just thought you might be interested ))
She certainly was well traveled to the end!
Pity that she didn’t fetch up in Philly again, to be preserved alongside Olympia. That party would have been a Hoot!
Is there some special magnetism in the British Isles that attracts decommissioned ships like Varyag, Warspite etc?
Thank you, Drachinifel.
Shot down, scuttled, raised, seized, run aground, run aground again. Do not go gentle into that good night.
Kamchatka: "I fear everything and everyone."
Varyag: "I fear nothing and no one."
Just how common has it been for Royal Navy ships to make known their objections to be broken up for scrap by running aground on their way to the breaker's yard?
@CipiRipi00 Foundering is a vastly more dignified ending for a warship than the breaker's yard.
Although true on most occasions, however if the salvaged steel is used to make a brand new ship then something old is now new again and can sail merrily along with less problems than the older ship. And also have more purpose. Like a warship gets broken up & the steel used to make a freighter so now the ship instead of having to wait for a war to be useful. It can sail back & forth carrying goods back & forth & making profits for it's owners, & paying for it's cost & upkeep for years & years. And no one aboard ever gets killed or injured. You know, sort of like a heaven for a ship that gave its all during a war without being sunk. Rotting away whether on the surface of the sea or beneath it, is not dignified for a ship that has given good service for a few decades. So using it's steel to make something new is a very noble thing to do.
I must say, that is one stubborn ship.
The picture at 3:30 is amazing, just beautiful.
@Drachinifel, for Russian Navy this is the iconic ship! The symbol of never surrendering even if all odds are against you.
Not to mention there is song, dedicated to the members of heroic crews of those ships.
Auf Deck, Kameraden, all' auf Deck!
Heraus zur letzten Parade!
Der stolze Warjag ergibt sich nicht,
Wir brauchen keine Gnade!
That is an interesting Russian lyric that the song has.
@@77thTrombone Original lyrics are in German, written by Rudolf Greinz. There is Russian version.
ruclips.net/video/EF0NrcUQ1-s/видео.html
Build by americans, sunk by russians, used by japanese, song is written by german
love these little videos. How about one on the French battleship Dunkerque and its rather unusual layout?
Such funny in this one…. The brits seizing it when they change the flag lolol good show
Good one drachinfel!! Thank you
Saturday Lunch and Drac.
Excellent!!!
Quite an eventful life for such a small ship.
Been waiting on this for ages :) her resting place is only 15miles away know a few people that's dived the wreck
I thought the video said that the Varyag was broken up _in situ_ on the beach where she ran aground. Presumably therefore there would be no wreck to dive because the ship would have been broken up for use as scrap.
@@view1st there's a wreck out there how much I don't know but I know and have seen some of the souvenirs haha most handed over for a museum when the monument was unveiled.
Finally, Drach covers the RMS Titanic!!!
What a wild ride
Varyag: "Comrades rise up! We have nothing to lose but our anchor chains!"
That's a pretty eventful & varied career she had.
Varyag - First attempt at a submarine cruiser...
Drach, any chance of a video about the battle between HMS Shannon and the USS Cheasapeake, 1 June, 1813?
I'm just here for the Kamchatka jokes. Not disappointed.
Quite the international exchange ship.
So that’s where Warspite got the idea to dodge the trip to the breakers from.
With all those changes in ownership there must have been a lot of flags in her flag locker.
Chemulpo ( Inchon) naval engagement. Jan 27th 1904. Varyag ( Varangian) cruiser and Koreetz ( Korean) gunboat vs Asama, Tieda, Naniwa, Niitaka, Takatiho and Akasi cruisers, plus 8 destroyers. During fighting Varyag received 5 hits below water line plus multiple hits above resulting in almost all guns knocked out. 31 dead and over 190 wounded. Japanese lost a destroyer, 2 cruisers damages, 30 dead, 200 wounded. Unverified numbers, but hardly a "somewhat damaged" result. Koreetz on the other hand was basically ignored by Japanese. Varyag had to keep slow speed due to Koreetz being almost twice slower. Varyag was scuttled and Koreetz was blown up by the crew, also destroyed was Russian steamer Sungari. Special medal was issued to all paticipants, Rudnev received St George officers cross for bravery and Japanese order that he never wore after.
Varyag is an old russian/byzantin word for Norse people (Vikings), as in Varangian Guard. The ship certanly went down appropriately for the name.
Excellent background on this tough ship.
I would love to see a video about U.S.S. Abbot DD 629.
Staying on the topic of Russian cruisers, how about a guide to the Almaz 1903?
Four funnels are ideal. It's a well known fact that four funneled ships are virtually unsinkable.
Titanic, Brittanic and Lusitania wish that was true.
@@robertf3479 I think that's the joke. ;P
@CipiRipi00 Lusitania had four working funnels, BTW.
@CipiRipi00 Oh, wasn't aware of that. Thanks!
Imperial Russian ships have bad luck, but fascinating stories.
Varyag drinks free at everyone's table in Ship Heaven.
She is a Viking after all.
More of these please Sir and as I have asked many times previously perhaps HMS Celendine? 🙏
1:04 - _Kamchatka_ shivers
I think she enjoyed being a storage vessel and wanted to remain as such. I guess most ships with a heart ♥ will run aground if given a chance on the way to a breakers yard!!!
Is there some kind of record for the number of times a warship hull has switched sides?
4:30 And this is what happens when there is no ship named Kamchatka nearby.
Good story.
Always wondered if I should buy this in World of Warships :D
Is there one?
@@stephenfritz7493 Yep! It's low tier and not super popular
I´s great reference for modellers, esp. the rigging which is much easier to see in 3d.
It's 2500 doubloons or $10 USD
"Comrade, I think we should have waited till we cleared the harbor before hoisting that flag!"
Pretty much. Should've kept the imperial flag flying, then go "see ya suckers" and make a run for Petrograd (wouldn't be Leningrad until 1924) once they're outside of British waters.
@@RedXlV Yes, they should have expected imperialists to be thieves.
She was certainly a fast boat for the times. That 4 stacker look is always intriguing, but I gotta say the 5 funnel look as with Askold always seems a little silly, like some child got crazy with designing his perfect boat and besides they look like toothpicks lol
PS: So many boats get run aground or founder when they are being towed to the breakers. I wonder if there is a good reason for this. You'd think the people towing the boat would be capable of doing their job but it just seems there are so very very many almost a weirdly excessive number of ships not getting to the scrapyard. Is it just accidental or are they being runa ground intentionally for some insurance reason ?
Most interesting. TFP. So how many other warships have served in three navies?
I can think of at least one: HMS Venerable served in the Royal Navy during WW2, then became Hr. Ms. Karel Doorman in the Dutch navy and finished her service as ARA Veinticinco de Mayo in the Argentine navy, almost fighting her original owners in the Falkland war.
I can think of a handful in during ww2, at least four Italian submarines and the old German light cruiser Niobe.
@@Hcb37 Arguably Niobe counts 5. 3 German (KM, RM, DKM (sic) Royal Yugoslav Navy, Regia Marina
Varyag : Serving with one navy is boring. I'll choose all of them.
Sad end for a neat little ship.
Interesting, I hadn't known that she also did a stint in the RN.
Are you sure gunboat was badly damaged? Many sources i saw indicate that gunboat wasn't hit even once
From what I've read she wasn't hit directly but was peppered by lots of near misses and being a small ship these were enough to render her unlikely to be serviceable for combat again.
My main money and XP maker in WoWS. I love V (nickname, stands for Victory, kinda obvious lol).
Wow!
Congratulations on surviving the recent UK wind storm.
Anti torpedoboat defense
Kamchatka intensifies
Have you covered the Russian Fleets of 1863 that stayed on both coasts of the USA for about six months during our Civil War.
Japanese Torpedo Boats! And they are actually here this time.
Grounded on her way to be scrapped and had to be broken up in place?
What's Russian for "Warspite"?
Isn't it obvious, "Varyag".
She’sa stubborn ship!
Off the Scottish coast, where? There is a lot of it.
Well she got around.
Varyag: *Hoists Communist flag*
British: Congratulations. You're a bunch of morons. Well go ahead and take your ship, and we dare you to do anything about it.
Varyag: *Surprised Pikachu face*
British: You act surprised. What on Earth did you think would happen?
Seriously, they should've pretended to join the White side and then make a break for Petrograd at the first opportunity.
This ship was a bit of a "Ground Hugger". 0~o She had a thing for the bottom as it were. ^~^
Japanese being honorable again.
I love a Protected Cruiser me.... .
I believe that during the russian civil war, the RN took Askold into service in the White Sea (rather appropriately). They gave her the rather puzzling name Glory VI.
Does anyone know the reason for the weird monniker?
Seems like she was almost snake bit from the beginning.
The cruiser that wanted to be an LST?
Cool
Japan made a fair return to the Russian navy
Brits: i do not have this weakness
A very unlucky ship, I wonder which was the unluckiest ship in modern times?
Unlucky? I would say she was very lucky. She served three different navies, Russia's, Japan's, Great Britain's.
I'm in the finishing stages of Zvezda's plastic model kit of this ship. I found some examples of Varyag's paint scheme showing grey, some green. I chose green, and now Drach has weighed in with grey.
Well, пиздет, as my wife might say.
It depends entirely what time period in her career you are portraying :)
@@Drachinifel Her battle appearance is what I wanted. Before the Japanese poked a bunch of holes in it, I mean.
Серый крейсер ходи во время ПМВ, после возвращения из Японии. До перехода на далний восток перед РЯВ он был белый, а уже там стал зелёным. Ну и серыё он конечно был у Японцев.
@@zhouenlai2569 Tak, зелёный в течение боевой. Спасибо.
In July 1904 (so, later), the freeboards of Russian capital ships in Port-Arthur were painted in "greenish-olive", and superstructures, smokestacks and masts were being repainted in "sandy-brown" (so, before that they were painted differently, possibly). Source: Melnikov R. Battleships of Peresvet class.
Yes. The odd career of an odd little ship.
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Never marry a girl if her name is Varyag, she hasprobably had an amazing history.
Lmao
You said "uptick" instead of "increase"...I didn't think that that word would make it across the Atlantic :(
"Врагу не сдается наш гордый Варяг". Очень даже сдается, аж 2 раза как выяснилось...
HMS Stubborn
Loose ships miss slips.
Crew: raises communist flag
British troop: hippity hoppety, your ship is now MY property
A Cruiser with two Lives
So she was owned by the USA, the Imperialist Russians, The Japanese, the Imperialist Russians, and then the British.
Wow, this one went all over the world and cheated death too many times