@@Talisman09 I have more respect for a brutally honest person than a lying deceiving bullshitter. The lying deceiving bullshitter would probably feed you to those lions.
@Pat McCaliskey Our ancestors didn't have much of a change when the trees were disappearing in south west Africa and we weren't smart enough to make spears yet. How do you think development of intelligence became such a large part of our evolutionary selection in the first place.
@Pat McCaliskey South African. And so what if we have better odds than the animals? The end result will be they end up dead anywho, be it technological or a numbers advantage.
@@moosesnWoop are you speaking from experience? Do you have any stories? I'm pretty sure the man is speaking from experience. The guys probably seen a lot more than that.
I respect the guy for going on camera and being honest about his thoughts. People don;t think about the cattle that lived there before on these farms and were slaughtered for their meat.
I think this is one of the few times where the person Louis interviews explains themselves extremely well, to the point that Louis actually looks somewhat the fool. I'm sure Louis knew the counter-arguments before he even got there, but the approach of acting naive to build a line of questioning really does get put in it's place.
I admire the honesty and straight to the point nature of the South Africans because you know what your getting straight up. Unfortunately Louis can come across as a know it all especially when he interviewed a South African Boer who didn't take lightly to Louis condescending style at the time.
Yes like they do in Kevin Richardson videos.This person who owns this game land is ignorant. Lions are sociable cats and some people have proven with obvious extreme caution, and Kev has did the same with lions and hyenas while narrating their behavior succinctly
@@bharath773 no hes not ignorant lions are predators and raising them well fed and happy to be shot so that lions in the wild dont get murdered is a good idea
tbh this is way more ethical than the meat factories we use in the rich part of the world where animals live in tiny stinky spaces until they get chopped up.
It doesn’t matter the reason you kill someone or something the issue is that your killing them. Don’t pretend to be high and mighty because your a westerner who brutally kills something “for food”. This old colonial looking down your noise mentally needs to stop, go to any slaughter house in Britain and I guarantee that you will be scared for life if you have any soul, it’s Barbara if savagery, Africa they kill very clean with gunshot, that’s the point, the reason is irrelevant.
@@Talisman09 It totally matters what living conditions they are under. That is part of the ethics. Meat factories are no more ethical than this because there is an illusory purpose behind it.
The guy is kinda right about how people want to hunt and they’re just giving people a way to do it legally and using that money to actually help the environment
@@jamalibrahim6895 literally the opposite will happen, lions would have already been hunted to extinction just like the tiger if not for people wanting to see them on safari or people paying to shoot them. Why else would lions have been allowed to live?
I can understand hunting for survival, but to hunt something just for the sake of killing it I cannot get my head around, its not food, its not even a challenge with high powered telescopic rifles. It is just something psychopathic in my opinion
I feel like this entire conversation is a bit disingenuous because it is taken out of the full context of the entire episode. WATCH THAT BEFORE MAKING JUDGEMENTS. This guy is actually a decent man living in the world the way it is. Everything in this world has been monetized and what gets killed and what gets saved has become based on it; from his point of view, if he wasn't breeding them to be killed by private hunters they would have already been killed to extinction by poor native african poachers (who view the lion as a predator and pest to farmland) to feed an insatiable asian black market that uses rare endangered animals for "folk medicine cures" and skins etc The man is a wildlife conservationist in a overburdened human world that no longer inherent values its wildlife. I won't say what he's doing isn't sad and that "its the right thing to do" but it is the lesser of two evils; feeding one apex predator to another at a slow yet sustainable rate. Again, watch the full documentary episode.
He breeds them, in cages, to be "hunted" by wealthy people, who just want something to brag about. I don't know much about this issue, but it seems a real conservation, would serve these lions, well. At very least, dude shouldn't act like he's some benevolent savior. He does it for the money. At this moment, he may be the lesser of two evils. But to these lions, he's no better than a "peppermint nightmare".
You make a great point don't get me wrong. But if an apex predator is hunted it is no longer a apex predator. By the way it wouldn't be the first time in natural history an apex predator lost its top spot.
@@mattnaslund8615 these lions are not aware of what is happening they are happy to get the meat hence why they are not fighting eachother and they do not know what is coming and don't care. Without language you can't question or reason like we humans do about why you are where you are. That is why they do not invent or develop anything.
@@TheAdekrijger That's completely ignorant. Show me the science behind what you are talking about. Animals can be depressed, due to their habitat. They can lose their natural instincts, as well. I'm not trying to be rude, but you have absolutely nobase, for witch you are speaking. Don't @ me.
the game keeper is far more in touch with reality then louis is here. the game keeper is in tune with mother nature. louis has watched the lion king one too many times.
He made a good point comparing his lions to chickens. They are simply bread for a purpose - money. It might not sit too well with animal lovers, but it's just another business like raining animals for meat.
The argument he makes about Chickens and Eggs is pretty sound.. I love animals, I only really eat chicken but if animals bread for human benefit were given good lives and didn't suffer in death then I would be okay with it, they aren't able to perceive life to the same degree we are so they can be tricked into happiness.. This practice is far FAR more humane than what every country does in regards to farming animals
It's also because I'm sure the lions have been raised in a way that it knows no better. A dog raised in terrible conditions will be feral and hostile, raise it with love and it will be a loving creature. The same goes for the lions, they have been raised in caged, hostile environments so they know no better.
I don't have issue with this. The lions don't love him because he doesn't love them. But even if you do love them, animals aren't people It is what it is
After working next to a guy from Africa for a couple years, I got to learn a fair bit about how Africa works. It's still common over there to go into the bush and kill for your food or even steal domesticated animals from a neighbor. No one really cares about whether they'll be there next year, dinner is what matters now. It's a different culture. There's a lot of truth with what the hunter's saying, if they're using the money to grab land and keep it in a natural state so they can raise endangered animals on it for hunting and conservation purposes, I don't see a problem. This has worked for North America for, what, 80 years? Or is Ducks Unlimited a terrible foundation?
TheInsomniaddict I'm actually from the country that is Africa. I even speak African. I can verify that it is NOT 'common over there to go into the bush and kill for your food'. It frustrates me when people spread such ignorance as universal truth.
biolemmashem To clarify, what I said up above was what I've gotten from many talks with my friend at work. He's from Nigeria, one of the better parts in fact. I've also known some refugees from Sudan as well. What I said was what I've heard from people who lived most of their lives in Africa.
@ Coconut Earl: You stated that you speak "African". There is no such thing as one African language; there is a myriad of African languages such as Berber, Somali, Bantu, Swahili, Maasai, and Arabic, et al. You may be thinking of the Afrikaans language which evolved from the Dutch vernacular of South Holland. The majority of people who speak the Afrikaans language live in South Africa.
I can imagine 10 humans standing in a cage, and a lion (outside) commenting on camera: does he look for something pther than money? He destroyed the entire planet just for them! Do you think these beasts are capable of love? Look at their eyes! If you'd enter the cage, they may kill you just for fun and not even for your meat.
That is so correct and I agree also but their days will be counted and no good will come out of all the evil deeds they do for money-Its Called Greed!!!!'.
You guys are missing the point, sure hunting for sport is wrong, but people pay lots of money for it, and some of that money goes towards conservation efforts which ironically increase the population. I'd bet most of you would happily eat cow, chicken, pig, fish, so why not lion, zebra, or rhino? At least these lions are not crammed into tiny cages with barely enough room to breath, just to be taken out and slaughtered.
But it still ensure that the areas keeps being bush, and that lions exist. His method is pure pragmatism. As long as the lions hold a value (In this case as a trophy for stupid americans), he can continue to run his farm, and have the nature to sustain this livelihood. Otherwise, it would have all been made into farmland, and the lions removed.
"Why would you allow them to get hungry" I'm no expert but those lions like pretty skinny to me, more so than the ones you tend to see in nature docs in the wild or in zoos I've seen.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that they where juveniles. Their manes weren't very impressive so I think that it's a safe assumption. I couldn't see any rib cages either which would be a sure sign.
if these hunters think they are so brave and doing such a good thing, WHY DON'T THEY FED THEMSELVES to the lions so they won't be hungry? WE HAVE PLENTY OF HUMANS, many of them not worthy of the oxygen they use up, lions are worth more than a million humans. Humans are the worst mistake nature ever made.
feel like people need to stop acting like children and find some simpler, cheaper and less violent form of entertainment. I find it hard to believe that hunting a lion is so vastly entertaining when compared to other hobbies.
Hunting? But we can not even call it hunting! This is pure and simple slaughter. We could call it a slaughterhouse! What chance have the lions? It is cowardice. I would be ashamed to have this type of "trophy" home. And I do not think this type of sport prevents poaching. Must prohibit this practice and to sufficient resources to resolve the problem of poaching.
Andrew Steeves it’s not farming you dumb arse... we consume foods that we farm. It’s ego trophy hunting... only problem being you don’t get to brag about something you kill with a high-powered rifle in the safety of a truck with 10 men... you take one of these creatures down with a spear or hunting knife and I will honour you as a hunter and have no issues with you mounting its head on your wall or have a photo with it... otherwise your nothing more than a simple coward.
If you live outside of Africa, especially in Australia, you SHOULD kill every house cat you see. They are an invasive species and destructive especially for birdlife.
I know many of you will NOT agree with my thoughts & opinions but here goes anyway. Many of you opposed to this man's way of income would be just as upset if they did the video years before and it was cattle being ranched there, you could complain how the wild animals are losing habitat due to farming. Now you complain because he is providing a habitat for other wildlife as well as raising lions in a cage? Granted I hunt and I personally have no interest in hunting a lion that was raised in a cage but I can respect what this person is doing and look past the lions in a cage to realize he is providing more habitat for other animals and it is in his best interest to properly care for the lions or he won't receive any compensation for them....
Oh and those of you that say "lions shouldn't be raised behind a fence they should be free" I am going to guess you are a vegetarian but I hope you don't go to the grocery store for ANY of your food because that food was commercially produced (even if organic) which takes away wildlife habitat therefore more damage than this gentleman is doing with his game farm
Hunting in terms of sustenance, population control and self protection is necessary. Canned hunting like this however, is honourless and disgusting. But most funding for conservation comes from this practice, it's a catch 22.
People have a very distorted view of wild predators. A tiger will literally decapitate you with a single paw swipe. It's like in the werewolf movie but the animal is beautiful to look at.
If you think about it, he’s not affecting their population or influence in the environment. By having them bred, it gives their population a chance to grow in the wild, which reverses their extinction. Hunting will always be present, this guys just reducing the harm.
I don't feel good about raising lions for hunting, but I think it's better than raising cattle on that land instead. Surely it's better for the landscape for native animals than non-native ones to be there, and it prevents people from hunting wild lions, so it's contributing to conservation of the lions too. I don't feel good about it, but I can't really fault the guy tbh.
Nothing more than so called hunters getting their thrills by watching the life drain from the eyes of innocent animals. They kill a basically tame animal who was raised to depend on humans for food and because they don't fear humans the so called hunter can practically walk up to the lion and shoot it. It's about the thrill of the kill. Legal murder and of course, bragging rights. Claiming to have hunted a fierce lion when all along, the lion was caged and no real hunting took place. Cowards. Then the bones are sold to the Asians for their 'concoctions'. It's all about the owners of these farms making money on the backs of innocent animals and the trophy hunter getting their 'rocks off'.
I don't respect what this guy does but he's speaking some truths. These beasts have evolved as killing machines and see no value in other living creatures other than as food or sport, much as your game keeper sees them. Spend enough time around lions and you might start seeing the world as they do.
So they're paying to shoot captive raised lions...just lame. I think it would be more fun less regret, just shooting at it,but purposely missing, just to scare it...and if it attacks you have to knife it to death. That should be the rules..anytime your hunting and your wife has in hairspray, something is wrong.
Yes it is a shitty situation but at least his organisation ensures that the lions will not go extinct as well as rhinos as they are motivated by money and want to retain a sustainable income. Without an organisation like this, all lions and rhinos will eventually be wiped out by poachers who do not have the resources or intent of breeding them. As long as parts of Africa remain poor, lions rhinos etc will be poached so at least this way, it is more sustainable.
User just so I'm clear your logic is it's a bad situation and it could be worse so let's keep the bad situation and take it as it is rather then slaughtering animals for profit and egotism? The world is going to hell in a hand basket but we should form a committee to pick the prettiest hand basket?
Interesting video. However, I honestly think the problem is not really here, but it is with places that offer "lion cub petting and breeding". People pay all this money to pet and raise lion cubs meaning that the lions become extremely accustomed to humans. What happens after though? The lions are sold to hunters because south africa is overpopulated with Lions. The lions are so used to humans meaning that they come close to the hunters making an easy shot. I think that is the real problem. Hunting isn't the issue since without it no one would care about the animals and there wouldn't be enough money to keep the animals alive. The problem is "how" the animal is hunted.
Human is the only greedy animal among all. Each and every animal in this world behaves in a way for what nature has designed them. Only human kills other living creatures without any reason just for the sake of fun
People are ultimately driven by their self intrest. Is he doing this to make a profit absolutely. And he's going to protect his investments. However he is also a important Conservation. He's just more honest than a lot of people.
This is sad - no words to comment on this entertainment sport. If poverty is the culprit to bred animals so we can take pleasure to kill them and find excitements in doing so, then I pray God have mercy on us, the human race.
Everything lions has done for South Africa, with people coming all The way from Europe and America to watch these magnificent beast's, all they symbolisem The lion means for Africa and all The money they have given them. And this is how they are beeing treated. That's what makes me mad about it. Can't see how anyone who's coming from America can feel proud and happy about killing an animal like this.. And pay money alot of money to shoot a lion from a car in a cage...
I think many people are missing the point here (as i see it). If no value (other than aesthetic) is put on these animals, they will become extinct through 'obselance'. In realistic terms this ecosystem needs 'value'. No hunting, no need for lions....
we can't protect the animals in these countries, we have to bring those animals to the west or else they're just going to go extinct, it's very sad, anyway..fantastic episode, he makes perfect sense, thank you western hunters
the hunting industry is the reason why so many of them are alive, whats the point in breeding lions if you do not profit from it, it creates no demand to make more of them. Same with the rhinos, the hunting industry actually made farmers breed rhinos, there are more rhino horns now than ever, if we just allow rhino horns to be sold in the market the supply would crush the market price on the black market and poachers wont be willing to hunt wild rhino for the low value. Its the most friendly ecosystem we can create because its catered through mans interest and not moral practice
The South African dude has things in perspective, I think Louis actually did a poor job here, and deliberately tried to misunderstand and portray something that wasn't happening.
They take one lion and release it in a bigger area. Then people chase and shoot it. The people who fund this are good shooters. You never start with lion hunting. You start with small animals and work your way up. I dislike hunting, but I eat meat so with my money i subsidize animal killing. This year i have eaten more than 15 chickens, 50 fish, 2 lambs and a half pig...and its not august yet. So why bother about 15 lions when millions of other animals are slotered every year. What is more through food waste 5% are never eaten but left to rot and have died in vain ...
@@isapohplonker654 why? I am "rich" enough to be able to survive without animal poroducts in my diet. So I am also killing for pleasure. Indirectly killing... for the pleasure of my taste buds...
Ivaylo Petkov I’m a Muslim, I follow gods law. If you don’t believe in some form of god or authority, if you don’t follow guidelines, then there is nothing to prevent you from doing anything accept your conscience. I trust that you are a god believing person and I assume only goodness. Sorry for any assumptions you may have felt were directed at you.
@@isapohplonker654 God has given you life and has given you a brain to use. It is you who taken the decisions you live by. Does God make you eat animals? No. It is your choice. You can be an exemplary Muslim and not eat meet. My point is that when you are killing animals irrespective of whether it is for pleasure or for food or directly or indirectly - by buying animal meet -the reason is not important as the end result is the same ... we get to play God by taking a life. Hence I made a point that neither I nor you can claim the moral high-ground and judge others. Lets look at our sins before we judge others. Let them be. When the time comes everyone faces the music and answers for his mistakes
"They will leave the top of your skull and your boots, they'll eat everything else. And they will play with your clothes." And they'll put on your glasses and make fun of you, "Ooh look at me! I'm Louis Theroux. I'm investigating the strange subculture of African hunting. But then I got eaten by lions! It was at that moment, I decided it was time to go..."
Hunting will give them quick death. In the wild, they may possibly starve to death or get a slow death from injuries sustained by other lions. In a way its better for the lions.
You gotta respect the guy for his honesty and transparency.
I can respect one aspect of his character without respecting him
@@Talisman09 I have more respect for a brutally honest person than a lying deceiving bullshitter. The lying deceiving bullshitter would probably feed you to those lions.
@c 💰💸🤑💲💴💵💶💷
@c no lol it's weird but ya know. Rich ppl gotta piss their money up the wall somehow 🤷🏼♂️ ha
I don’t quite think you understand the true meaning of the word respect but that’s okay.
“Walk past them and see if you feel any love there”
What a legend, haha.
He’s got a point, though 🤷🏻♂️
@Pat McCaliskey they had spears which their ancestors also did not have and they were lion prey.
@Pat McCaliskey Our ancestors didn't have much of a change when the trees were disappearing in south west Africa and we weren't smart enough to make spears yet. How do you think development of intelligence became such a large part of our evolutionary selection in the first place.
@Pat McCaliskey South African. And so what if we have better odds than the animals? The end result will be they end up dead anywho, be it technological or a numbers advantage.
That's african humor lol
"and they will play with your clothes" I feel like he's seen them eat someone before lol
may be some one from PETA
Carol Baskin sent him a video of her missing ex husband in with her Tigers and Lions! Ha
Oh for real. The 'leave the top part of your head' was a little too specific.
poachers - find their remains all the time.
@@moosesnWoop are you speaking from experience? Do you have any stories?
I'm pretty sure the man is speaking from experience. The guys probably seen a lot more than that.
I respect the guy for going on camera and being honest about his thoughts. People don;t think about the cattle that lived there before on these farms and were slaughtered for their meat.
the cattle were slaughtered for meat, and it was supposed to be done humanely. We don't even treat serial killers badly when we kill them.
I think this is one of the few times where the person Louis interviews explains themselves extremely well, to the point that Louis actually looks somewhat the fool. I'm sure Louis knew the counter-arguments before he even got there, but the approach of acting naive to build a line of questioning really does get put in it's place.
I admire the honesty and straight to the point nature of the South Africans because you know what your getting straight up. Unfortunately Louis can come across as a know it all especially when he interviewed a South African Boer who didn't take lightly to Louis condescending style at the time.
"and they will play with your clothes"
Saint Cloud that bit was hilarious😂😂
Yes like they do in Kevin Richardson videos.This person who owns this game land is ignorant.
Lions are sociable cats and some people have proven with obvious extreme caution, and Kev has did the same with lions and hyenas while narrating their behavior succinctly
@@bharath773 no hes not ignorant lions are predators and raising them well fed and happy to be shot so that lions in the wild dont get murdered is a good idea
That was a cooly delivered line. Felt like a movie for a second. But he is still a scumbag
Sounds sexy
tbh this is way more ethical than the meat factories we use in the rich part of the world where animals live in tiny stinky spaces until they get chopped up.
it's not more ethical. it doesn't matter about the living conditions when you're comparing killing for food to killing for sick pleasure
It doesn’t matter the reason you kill someone or something the issue is that your killing them. Don’t pretend to be high and mighty because your a westerner who brutally kills something “for food”. This old colonial looking down your noise mentally needs to stop, go to any slaughter house in Britain and I guarantee that you will be scared for life if you have any soul, it’s Barbara if savagery, Africa they kill very clean with gunshot, that’s the point, the reason is irrelevant.
@@Talisman09 It totally matters what living conditions they are under. That is part of the ethics. Meat factories are no more ethical than this because there is an illusory purpose behind it.
@@LeGaben the point pierre is the killing for pleasure. Don't justify this caveman bullshit
@@Talisman09 theres no difference. you only eat meat for pleasure, otherwise you could eat vegetables and rice and live a healthy life
The guy is kinda right about how people want to hunt and they’re just giving people a way to do it legally and using that money to actually help the environment
Yah well said and the lions go extinct
I want to take drugs and the rulers won't allow me to do that
@@jamalibrahim6895 literally the opposite will happen, lions would have already been hunted to extinction just like the tiger if not for people wanting to see them on safari or people paying to shoot them. Why else would lions have been allowed to live?
lol @ 2:40 when Louis asks him how he feels about the lions😅😂
3:04. When you show you are scared, but you realize it early and then try to act cool.
I can understand hunting for survival, but to hunt something just for the sake of killing it I cannot get my head around, its not food, its not even a challenge with high powered telescopic rifles. It is just something psychopathic in my opinion
2:40 "Do you love them" 🤣🤣💀
"They will leave the top of your skull and your boots, they'll eat everything else. And they will play with your clothes." What a wretched thought.
Not only that, they'll toy with you first. They will lay on top of you and keep you there for hours.
I just can't find anything to disagree with this South African fella
This guy turned industrial land into wilderness. He’s the most climate and nature friendly guy alive.
Yeah he was definitely thinking about the climate
@@sb_dunk I'm talking a language that the urban climate idiots understand.
Keep telling yourself that.
@@SerLaama Truth hurts huh, city boy 😂
I feel like this entire conversation is a bit disingenuous because it is taken out of the full context of the entire episode. WATCH THAT BEFORE MAKING JUDGEMENTS. This guy is actually a decent man living in the world the way it is. Everything in this world has been monetized and what gets killed and what gets saved has become based on it; from his point of view, if he wasn't breeding them to be killed by private hunters they would have already been killed to extinction by poor native african poachers (who view the lion as a predator and pest to farmland) to feed an insatiable asian black market that uses rare endangered animals for "folk medicine cures" and skins etc
The man is a wildlife conservationist in a overburdened human world that no longer inherent values its wildlife.
I won't say what he's doing isn't sad and that "its the right thing to do" but it is the lesser of two evils; feeding one apex predator to another at a slow yet sustainable rate. Again, watch the full documentary episode.
MrColdraven exactly. Hes actually doing some good
He breeds them, in cages, to be "hunted" by wealthy people, who just want something to brag about. I don't know much about this issue, but it seems a real conservation, would serve these lions, well. At very least, dude shouldn't act like he's some benevolent savior. He does it for the money.
At this moment, he may be the lesser of two evils. But to these lions, he's no better than a "peppermint nightmare".
You make a great point don't get me wrong. But if an apex predator is hunted it is no longer a apex predator. By the way it wouldn't be the first time in natural history an apex predator lost its top spot.
@@mattnaslund8615 these lions are not aware of what is happening they are happy to get the meat hence why they are not fighting eachother and they do not know what is coming and don't care. Without language you can't question or reason like we humans do about why you are where you are. That is why they do not invent or develop anything.
@@TheAdekrijger That's completely ignorant. Show me the science behind what you are talking about. Animals can be depressed, due to their habitat. They can lose their natural instincts, as well. I'm not trying to be rude, but you have absolutely nobase, for witch you are speaking. Don't @ me.
why are people disliking this video? the prick who owns the lodge doesn't own the youtube channel the bbc does.
Louis Theroux is the greatest, by far.
the game keeper is far more in touch with reality then louis is here. the game keeper is in tune with mother nature. louis has watched the lion king one too many times.
so can you explain what is so childish about what I said...? and why did youu feel the need to say you love the lion king film...?
don 't even bother waiting for a response, I think you are making a valid point here.
I take it you're a hunter, steve..?
humanity trumps nature, we have morals, we have shelter, we hav food and water without needing to hunt for it.
How, exactly? Theroux is just asking questions.
He made a good point comparing his lions to chickens. They are simply bread for a purpose - money. It might not sit too well with animal lovers, but it's just another business like raining animals for meat.
+Bill Voelker So why have game parks?
Bastard 🙄🙄🙄
This guy has fed people to lions for sure lol
I really imagined the Lions playing with his clothes.
The argument he makes about Chickens and Eggs is pretty sound.. I love animals, I only really eat chicken but if animals bread for human benefit were given good lives and didn't suffer in death then I would be okay with it, they aren't able to perceive life to the same degree we are so they can be tricked into happiness.. This practice is far FAR more humane than what every country does in regards to farming animals
They would'nt attack him because they're hungry, nore because they see him as food. It's because he would be invading his territorie.
It's also because I'm sure the lions have been raised in a way that it knows no better. A dog raised in terrible conditions will be feral and hostile, raise it with love and it will be a loving creature. The same goes for the lions, they have been raised in caged, hostile environments so they know no better.
@@deri101 stop it. Pet lions and monkeys kill humans often. Use logic. Not feelings.
@@deri101 wtf lol. You should go try that and see if its true. (Im joking obviously).
Siegfried and Roy may have loved their Tigers, but they were mauled to death anyway.
I don't have issue with this.
The lions don't love him because he doesn't love them. But even if you do love them, animals aren't people
It is what it is
After working next to a guy from Africa for a couple years, I got to learn a fair bit about how Africa works. It's still common over there to go into the bush and kill for your food or even steal domesticated animals from a neighbor. No one really cares about whether they'll be there next year, dinner is what matters now. It's a different culture.
There's a lot of truth with what the hunter's saying, if they're using the money to grab land and keep it in a natural state so they can raise endangered animals on it for hunting and conservation purposes, I don't see a problem.
This has worked for North America for, what, 80 years? Or is Ducks Unlimited a terrible foundation?
TheInsomniaddict I'm actually from the country that is Africa. I even speak African. I can verify that it is NOT 'common over there to go into the bush and kill for your food'. It frustrates me when people spread such ignorance as universal truth.
biolemmashem To clarify, what I said up above was what I've gotten from many talks with my friend at work. He's from Nigeria, one of the better parts in fact. I've also known some refugees from Sudan as well.
What I said was what I've heard from people who lived most of their lives in Africa.
@ Coconut Earl: You stated that you speak "African". There is no such thing as one African language; there is a myriad of African languages such as Berber, Somali, Bantu, Swahili, Maasai, and Arabic, et al. You may be thinking of the Afrikaans language which evolved from the Dutch vernacular of South Holland. The majority of people who speak the Afrikaans language live in South Africa.
@@jacquelineschmidt3141 it gets interesting when Afrikaans and Afrikaner are literally Dutch for African.
I can imagine 10 humans standing in a cage, and a lion (outside) commenting on camera: does he look for something pther than money? He destroyed the entire planet just for them! Do you think these beasts are capable of love? Look at their eyes! If you'd enter the cage, they may kill you just for fun and not even for your meat.
That is so correct and I agree also but their days will be counted and no good will come out of all the evil deeds they do for money-Its Called Greed!!!!'.
Best thing I've read yet!
You guys are missing the point, sure hunting for sport is wrong, but people pay lots of money for it, and some of that money goes towards conservation efforts which ironically increase the population. I'd bet most of you would happily eat cow, chicken, pig, fish, so why not lion, zebra, or rhino? At least these lions are not crammed into tiny cages with barely enough room to breath, just to be taken out and slaughtered.
lions kill cubs...for the simple fact that they don't want competition later...
str3123 Amazing comment!
That's not hunting its like fishing in a fish pond.
But it still ensure that the areas keeps being bush, and that lions exist.
His method is pure pragmatism. As long as the lions hold a value (In this case as a trophy for stupid americans), he can continue to run his farm, and have the nature to sustain this livelihood.
Otherwise, it would have all been made into farmland, and the lions removed.
Fishing is a form of hunting
"Why would you allow them to get hungry" I'm no expert but those lions like pretty skinny to me, more so than the ones you tend to see in nature docs in the wild or in zoos I've seen.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that they where juveniles. Their manes weren't very impressive so I think that it's a safe assumption. I couldn't see any rib cages either which would be a sure sign.
if these hunters think they are so brave and doing such a good thing, WHY DON'T THEY FED THEMSELVES to the lions so they won't be hungry? WE HAVE PLENTY OF HUMANS, many of them not worthy of the oxygen they use up, lions are worth more than a million humans. Humans are the worst mistake nature ever made.
+Granny Tenderstone 2 edgy
feel like people need to stop acting like children and find some simpler, cheaper and less violent form of entertainment. I find it hard to believe that hunting a lion is so vastly entertaining when compared to other hobbies.
Yes, imagine if dolphins suddenly started hunting and killing humans just for fun. I'm sure we'd have far less respect for them.
I like Louis cause he calls people out on their bullshit. He liked that other guy because there was no bullshit to be called out on.
I am all for hunting lions, with a caveat - you have to do it with your hands only.
You first.
Right, when he outweighs a person by 150 Kg, has 4 4in dagger claws in each paw, dagger sized canines in its jaws. "Fair fight" clowns
Louis theroux ... Is great! A great interviewer with a huge sense of humour!
He is pretty great. And, he's my cousin.. yes, I'm bragging, but how can I not? 🌞
1:05 & 2:13
what am i supposed to do with this
Did you pass?
@@nightnday6675 need answers
Good luck with your project
Hunting? But we can not even call it hunting! This is pure and simple slaughter. We could call it a slaughterhouse! What chance have the lions? It is cowardice. I would be ashamed to have this type of "trophy" home.
And I do not think this type of sport prevents poaching. Must prohibit this practice and to sufficient resources to resolve the problem of poaching.
it's FARMING.
Andrew Steeves it’s not farming you dumb arse... we consume foods that we farm. It’s ego trophy hunting... only problem being you don’t get to brag about something you kill with a high-powered rifle in the safety of a truck with 10 men... you take one of these creatures down with a spear or hunting knife and I will honour you as a hunter and have no issues with you mounting its head on your wall or have a photo with it... otherwise your nothing more than a simple coward.
Why is it so cool to shoot a lion raised just for that purpose? Why not shoot a house cat it would be about the same in accomplishment.
If you live outside of Africa, especially in Australia, you SHOULD kill every house cat you see. They are an invasive species and destructive especially for birdlife.
I know many of you will NOT agree with my thoughts & opinions but here goes anyway. Many of you opposed to this man's way of income would be just as upset if they did the video years before and it was cattle being ranched there, you could complain how the wild animals are losing habitat due to farming. Now you complain because he is providing a habitat for other wildlife as well as raising lions in a cage? Granted I hunt and I personally have no interest in hunting a lion that was raised in a cage but I can respect what this person is doing and look past the lions in a cage to realize he is providing more habitat for other animals and it is in his best interest to properly care for the lions or he won't receive any compensation for them....
Oh and those of you that say "lions shouldn't be raised behind a fence they should be free" I am going to guess you are a vegetarian but I hope you don't go to the grocery store for ANY of your food because that food was commercially produced (even if organic) which takes away wildlife habitat therefore more damage than this gentleman is doing with his game farm
Hunting in terms of sustenance, population control and self protection is necessary. Canned hunting like this however, is honourless and disgusting. But most funding for conservation comes from this practice, it's a catch 22.
That guy is great!
People have a very distorted view of wild predators.
A tiger will literally decapitate you with a single paw swipe.
It's like in the werewolf movie but the animal is beautiful to look at.
If you think about it, he’s not affecting their population or influence in the environment. By having them bred, it gives their population a chance to grow in the wild, which reverses their extinction. Hunting will always be present, this guys just reducing the harm.
We should have trophy hunting for humans .
L.A. D. How naive are you?
2:39 Best response to that question. It makes me so mad when I hear about idiots with wild animals as pets.
You look like quite an idiot
...or it makes you uncomfortable to have you brutal worldview questioned.
I love how people who eat steak & wear leather tell us it's immoral to raise an animal for the sole purpose of killing it
De Eas you don’t think there’s a difference between killing an animal for food and killing one for sport?
DE EAS- THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
Brian the only difference is more people choose to do the former than the latter.
Brian either way the animal is dead.
@@endurodadclint5377 And that's a good thing. I'd hate to think of an animal walking around without its skin
I don't feel good about raising lions for hunting, but I think it's better than raising cattle on that land instead. Surely it's better for the landscape for native animals than non-native ones to be there, and it prevents people from hunting wild lions, so it's contributing to conservation of the lions too. I don't feel good about it, but I can't really fault the guy tbh.
Nothing more than so called hunters getting their thrills by watching the life drain from the eyes of innocent animals. They kill a basically tame animal who was raised to depend on humans for food and because they don't fear humans the so called hunter can practically walk up to the lion and shoot it. It's about the thrill of the kill. Legal murder and of course, bragging rights. Claiming to have hunted a fierce lion when all along, the lion was caged and no real hunting took place. Cowards. Then the bones are sold to the Asians for their 'concoctions'. It's all about the owners of these farms making money on the backs of innocent animals and the trophy hunter getting their 'rocks off'.
"feel if you feel any love"
If a hunter can not lay an egg once a day I want to hunt the hunter
look how seigfried and roy turned out
I respectfully disagree with hunting lions they represent something more than animals to hunt
That fence looks a bit flimsy
Can anyone link me to the full documentary?
God the arguments we had over this in Geography..
I don't respect what this guy does but he's speaking some truths. These beasts have evolved as killing machines and see no value in other living creatures other than as food or sport, much as your game keeper sees them. Spend enough time around lions and you might start seeing the world as they do.
IDIOT, That's the Life Style of Predators Generally Foooolll, FOOL !!!
They will play with your clothes...... omg thats terrifying ^^
I'm not sure mine would fit!
"(a lion) is just a plain commodity"
So they're paying to shoot captive raised lions...just lame. I think it would be more fun less regret, just shooting at it,but purposely missing, just to scare it...and if it attacks you have to knife it to death. That should be the rules..anytime your hunting and your wife has in hairspray, something is wrong.
120,000 South African Rand is equivalent to 10,600AUD; Peanuts for all them lions. Aud.
Money and honestly, I respect the truth.
"They're just a plain commodity." Says it all.
when this program going to be show on bbc
So he does it for money, and he'll take as much as he can? Anyone got any better ideas to make more money from the lions without killing them?
RangoGamer Do it, keep them safe :)
Good luck building your 'animal sanctuary' without any trophy hunting. One lion a year, for 5 in return, is a petty thing to offer.
Yes it is a shitty situation but at least his organisation ensures that the lions will not go extinct as well as rhinos as they are motivated by money and want to retain a sustainable income. Without an organisation like this, all lions and rhinos will eventually be wiped out by poachers who do not have the resources or intent of breeding them. As long as parts of Africa remain poor, lions rhinos etc will be poached so at least this way, it is more sustainable.
User just so I'm clear your logic is it's a bad situation and it could be worse so let's keep the bad situation and take it as it is rather then slaughtering animals for profit and egotism? The world is going to hell in a hand basket but we should form a committee to pick the prettiest hand basket?
That is worth 10,000 pounds? !!!
Interesting video. However, I honestly think the problem is not really here, but it is with places that offer "lion cub petting and breeding". People pay all this money to pet and raise lion cubs meaning that the lions become extremely accustomed to humans. What happens after though? The lions are sold to hunters because south africa is overpopulated with Lions. The lions are so used to humans meaning that they come close to the hunters making an easy shot. I think that is the real problem. Hunting isn't the issue since without it no one would care about the animals and there wouldn't be enough money to keep the animals alive. The problem is "how" the animal is hunted.
3:03 😂
and they will play with your clothes lol
Only respect for this guy. If you are against killing the animals pay him money to look after them and he will
Human is the only greedy animal among all. Each and every animal in this world behaves in a way for what nature has designed them. Only human kills other living creatures without any reason just for the sake of fun
Why would you hunt a lion anyway they'd be extinct
People are ultimately driven by their self intrest. Is he doing this to make a profit absolutely. And he's going to protect his investments. However he is also a important Conservation.
He's just more honest than a lot of people.
Every animal on this planet has evolved with us hunting them and them hunting us.Your cuddly feelings are no scientific fact.
I wish more people would follow the science instead of their feelings.
@Ally Wilke How do you explain you evolving to a male-faced woman?
Not every animal
This is sad - no words to comment on this entertainment sport. If poverty is the culprit to bred animals so we can take pleasure to kill them and find excitements in doing so, then I pray God have mercy on us, the human race.
Everything lions has done for South Africa, with people coming all The way from Europe and America to watch these magnificent beast's, all they symbolisem The lion means for Africa and all The money they have given them. And this is how they are beeing treated. That's what makes me mad about it.
Can't see how anyone who's coming from America can feel proud and happy about killing an animal like this.. And pay money alot of money to shoot a lion from a car in a cage...
Point is, does it matter when the primary source of income for preventing their extinction comes from those people?
It doesnt matter who exactly killed a lion
It matters that they kill lions for sport wich should be seen as a terrible crime
I think many people are missing the point here (as i see it). If no value (other than aesthetic) is put on these animals, they will become extinct through 'obselance'. In realistic terms this ecosystem needs 'value'. No hunting, no need for lions....
we can't protect the animals in these countries, we have to bring those animals to the west or else they're just going to go extinct, it's very sad, anyway..fantastic episode, he makes perfect sense, thank you western hunters
the hunting industry is the reason why so many of them are alive, whats the point in breeding lions if you do not profit from it, it creates no demand to make more of them. Same with the rhinos, the hunting industry actually made farmers breed rhinos, there are more rhino horns now than ever, if we just allow rhino horns to be sold in the market the supply would crush the market price on the black market and poachers wont be willing to hunt wild rhino for the low value. Its the most friendly ecosystem we can create because its catered through mans interest and not moral practice
It's cows not a dog
1:47 how does he know that 😅
Have you ever lived in Africa?
The South African dude has things in perspective, I think Louis actually did a poor job here, and deliberately tried to misunderstand and portray something that wasn't happening.
Hunting or executing? How does something that is caged be hunted?
They take one lion and release it in a bigger area. Then people chase and shoot it. The people who fund this are good shooters. You never start with lion hunting. You start with small animals and work your way up. I dislike hunting, but I eat meat so with my money i subsidize animal killing. This year i have eaten more than 15 chickens, 50 fish, 2 lambs and a half pig...and its not august yet. So why bother about 15 lions when millions of other animals are slotered every year. What is more through food waste 5% are never eaten but left to rot and have died in vain ...
Ivaylo Petkov killing for consumption and killing for thrill are two very different things.
@@isapohplonker654 why? I am "rich" enough to be able to survive without animal poroducts in my diet. So I am also killing for pleasure. Indirectly killing... for the pleasure of my taste buds...
Ivaylo Petkov I’m a Muslim, I follow gods law. If you don’t believe in some form of god or authority, if you don’t follow guidelines, then there is nothing to prevent you from doing anything accept your conscience. I trust that you are a god believing person and I assume only goodness. Sorry for any assumptions you may have felt were directed at you.
@@isapohplonker654 God has given you life and has given you a brain to use. It is you who taken the decisions you live by. Does God make you eat animals? No. It is your choice. You can be an exemplary Muslim and not eat meet.
My point is that when you are killing animals irrespective of whether it is for pleasure or for food or directly or indirectly - by buying animal meet -the reason is not important as the end result is the same ... we get to play God by taking a life.
Hence I made a point that neither I nor you can claim the moral high-ground and judge others. Lets look at our sins before we judge others. Let them be. When the time comes everyone faces the music and answers for his mistakes
So wrong
Do you love these lions.
No - there’s no love.
Sick... -__-
Can reseververs and wildlife researchers save animals from getting endangered and death?
Not if MONEY is being offered.
"They will leave the top of your skull and your boots, they'll eat everything else. And they will play with your clothes." And they'll put on your glasses and make fun of you, "Ooh look at me! I'm Louis Theroux. I'm investigating the strange subculture of African hunting. But then I got eaten by lions! It was at that moment, I decided it was time to go..."
@ 3:00 any idea wat he said ? Who love their tigers? Anyone
ishant kanwar sigfried and roy, gay magicians who performed in las vegas, NV One of them was attacked and killed by their lion while performing
Nice Visit..
And you dont want them to see you talk about hunting.
The ranger is perfect and L are perfectly naiv, as a normal qute seal baby lover as us all almost
Come on
i thought us Brits were bad for hunting but the Yanks are terrible ppl the ones that hunt that is.
Hunting will give them quick death. In the wild, they may possibly starve to death or get a slow death from injuries sustained by other lions. In a way its better for the lions.
I can understand your boots but why the top part of your skull? Why wouldn't they eat that? I'm sitting here scratching my head..🥚🥚
Too thick I’d imagine.
@@Liam-th4qo your mine is too thick 🤣🦴
Why would u do that to beautiful lions
Tigers are much stronger than lions especially the siberians.
I'm a leo and I feel ofended.
Brutally, brutally capitalist. Refreshingly honest. Reprehensible...but honest.
Lol walk past them and if you feel any love there. That was funny but so true. Oh come on Louis! It's only Kevin Richardson that loves his lions.
i know your damned k
louis!