They did? It was not stated by Microsoft, but a Microsoft developer evangelist (Jerry Nixon) during the Ignite 2015 conference: Jerry Nixon stated this at the time in 2015, the big M never bothered to correct him, so, media outlets did what they do best and printed, "He SAID the THING!! It must be true."
@@ordinaryhuman5645 I would say multiple Microsoft partners, probably the same one who keep asking for multiple universal backdoors, at least until some hackers from the other side of the ocean finds them and use them pro bono. It seems somebody never learns from previous mistakes.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 The party that would indeed want the recall feature the most would be the government, especially law enforcement; not limited to any one specific government either. Recall is a feature that MS can and will likely update in the future; One possible update would/could be to store your recall data in Microsoft's cloud. Once the data is in the cloud, well, your data, er, screenshots is now the property of Microsoft and will be available for sale to anyone willing to pay for it. In the recent years, the courts have the ability of vendors like Microsoft, Verizon, AT&T, Google, etc to be able to sell that data to the government without a warrant; all the government /law enforcement needs to do is literally buy the data. And the government/law enforcement has been doing this for YEARS with various types of data. From the perspective of who wants that data - well, the government(s) do. This is not something that is limited to any one specific country either; the USA, China, Russia, England, and most other countries around the world truly desire the ability to cull info about their citizens, without going thru the pesky courts and other legalities. I can't think of any existing government of any current nation that is NOT interested in such data, even at a price. Being able to use the Recall feature for one's self is just a carrot; apparently that feature is limited to the new CPU's that have AI functionality built in, but that will eventually be all new CPU's going forward; but the ability to take screenshots every 5 seconds is NOT necessarily limited to those new chips; any modern CPU could do that, especially with a solid state drive that most computers use nowadays. Even moving those screenshots to the cloud does not require an AI powered CPU; parts of Recall could easily be pushed onto existing Windows 10/11 machines easily if MS desires to harvest such data. With high speed internet, most users would never notice. This goes right along with other Microsoft initiatives like forcing users to use Microsoft accounts over local accounts, forcing users to use technology like One Drive to back up one's documents, etc.
Everyone who covers this mentions the high risk of hackers breaching this system; what few mention is the _100%_ likelihood of _Microsoft_ using this feature to breach user privacy.
Because it's a point with least arguing with personal perceptions. Most hackers are harmful actors and everyone knows that. Any wide-spread system with valuable information will be eventually hacked. Recall creates a system with almost absolute value.
that's because we already know that they have been breaching basic privacy for years. the game changes when they open us up to even more egregious, unseen hands.
I was just saying this. That I think this is a two stage plan where they take the data, then get breached, and then have the data without the responsibility. I heard a data expert say that recal is like putting all the gold and jewels in the middle of your living room in a wheelbarrow. So now whenever they try to push this feature, I imagine a room full of suits with one of them being like "We need to push this feature Carl! We cant get to the next stage of the heist without this being on their PC's. I dont care what this does to the brand! We bought over 50% of your company, this is what were doing with it! Dont you threaten to quit Carl. You know you wont be walking out of here. Now DO IT."
You should be careful when using that. breach typically refers to a specific violation of a contractual obligation, regulatory requirement, or statutory provision. thus it will trigger all sorts of legal and regulatory reporting. in my experience you'd want to use "compromise" or "incident" instead. "There are two types of companies, those who know they have been compromised and those that don't "
Best part with everything only shown to their users not you them on the otherside ( onedrive lacks the 2024 and still uses 2004 drive with less security only thing they did is put a Pack in there for locking up until you may know is may shared the password too
Look up the FBI "carnivore" project. Automatic surveillance of American citizen's computers complete with an AI system to analyze and summarize the findings? They have probably been involved since day 1.
Ditto. Tried Zorin but immediately spent 3 hours troubleshooting to get sound working and connect my AirPods...fairly simple things that should have been dead simple. I got it working, but was so put off I switched to Mint. I was astounded at how much "just worked". Even my gaming keyboard works virtually identically. I'm in love with my PC again. For the few things I need, running Windows in a VM feels like revenge!
@@priusnv Exactly! It is veryyyyy smooth to switch to mint! I had tried debian before mint. But it was very difficult to make things work. And I've done the same that you did! I made a vm windows! And I just use it to test apps on windows! Every other task I do on linux! Including gaming!
@@eliasepgwith Linux Mint, ma Problem is that my i14600 didn’t want to boot up Linux with Win11 installed and secure boot enabled. How did you manage to do that?
With Mint 22 the only problem I have is that SteamVR games run very very badly. The best answer I've found is that Linux Mint is outdated, but then there are people who play VR games just fine on Mint! Surprisingly Godot works fine, so I can at least develop my own VR games without any performance problems... :P
The simple fact they want to make it impossible/difficult to u install says they’re doing something nefarious with it. If it was really just a convenient feature they wouldn’t care if you uninstall it.
Microsoft is the biggest advertiser for Linux! Even a few days ago my friend was using her laptop on windows 10 and there was a "Linux" icon on the desktop that she couldn't remove, microsoft is trying hard to advertise Linux
@@Hontman It's the microsoft version of Linux run within the windows os. Trying to treat unsuspecting users into not leaving windows. Perhaps windows is going to be ported as a linux-kernel distro as the windows kernel isn't fit for purpose anymore.
of course you can get office for $20.00. I had been paying $75.00 a year for office 365. I do still psy Microsoft $20.00 a year for 100 gigs of cloud storage, although I do not use onedrive the way Microsoft would like me to use it. I store my business and personal documents in a veracrypt container on my onedrive. Mainly because I do not trust Microsoft or their security measures with my data.
My biggest concern is that Microsoft has a bad habit of re-enabling features and services that are turned off manually by the user, if they are on by default, every time you install updates. I went out of my way to use Admin/Group Policy to turn some things off in Windows 10, and they STILL re-enable every so often. My limited experience with W11 has been much the same, only that same issue is more pervasive, and their habit of turning things back on is MORE aggressive than with 10. I dual boot, but MX Linux is my daily driver. I made the switch to HoloISO for my main boot OS to try more in-depth Linux gaming, and then switched to MX Linux KDE, because MX Linux is the underpinning of AV Linux, and I also do audio recording and production.
I had a VM that I was monitoring it's network and system access from Windows servers. I blocked all but two ports for one specific application through my network firewall and on the machine. I blocked and removed all the bloatware, turned off non-essential policies to only run this one application, and guess what still some how popped op on a Windows 10 machine that has no access to Windows servers and hasn't had a single update in over a year applied to it, CoPilot. It has been there this entire time and on the date it was "released" it just appeared on the system. No trace in network logs, no trace of calling out, no plausible way that this was installed on this Windows 10 system that has zero access to the outside world. I killed that VM instantly.
Just a recommendation, I have had great success with bazzite, its a really good gaming distro, but also functions really well as a daily driver as well.
The ability to retrieve your history might be useful to some people, the problem is, Who else can retrieve your history? and why it have to be mandatory?
Your spouse, your employer, the police, the customs, a hacker, whoever shouldn't have the access. The only way to make sure that there are no information leaks is a total lack of information to leak in the first place.
It actually is not mandatory. Open a Terminal with Admin right s and type this (minus the quotes): "Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall" You are welcome.
@@Mario583a Let me explain the joke here: You see, spaghetti is usually pretty tasty, and Windows explorer has spaghetti code, so he is calling Windows explorer pretty tasty implying you could eat it.
Like all good mysteries, we have to ask, "who benefits?” What's the benefit to MS to have everyone using Recall? Something doesn't make sense here. Are they using it to train their own AI? Are they mining it to sell you more advertising? I don't think it's a selling point - at least not now.
Most likely, it will enable the government to look through everyone's system to see what they are doing without digging around said systems due to screenshots of everything on said systems. I am pretty sure they won't need a search warrant given that Microsoft has their software on so many government computers, besides that...who knows how much private negotiations are going on without public knowledge between Microsoft and the government. Not trying to sound paranoid but seems like the only logical conclusion.
@@davidjeter5067I think you're being paranoid about the government. I'd be more concerned about my cell phone data - that gives information, location and actual calls, as well as text and emails. If I thought they were being nefarious, I'd say they were mining it for information to sell to advertisers. That's more valuable than letting the government peek at my history. That's money in their pocket. After all, they're making upgrades free, so they have to pay for it somehow...
They need as much data as they can to improve their AI models in search for AGI. This is the big arms race that is going right now in the world. Whoever gets there first takes all.
The first thing you notice with Linux is the silence! The constant sales pitches and pushing you in the direction they want you to go, are suddenly gone!! And if your particular Linux system starts down a road you don't like, just pick another one. There are lots!
There was a time when people would say that the purpose of an operating system was to get out of your way. Unfortunately, Linux has become a bit windows-ified in that respect but it's still a lot better and some distros more than others.
I knew Microsoft was going to push recall through eventually, I just thought they would wait a bit longer for people to 'forget' how dystopian and awful this crap is. Interesting that they aren't waiting for the blowback to die down.
@@FullFrontalNerdity-e3z I get that strong impression as well. "What do you mean you held the feature because it would destroy the brand Carl!? We bought over 50% of your company, we own it, the heist cant go forward if this doesnt go on their PC's! So you DO IT NOW! I dont care that people still remember. I dont care at all! Theyll take it! Now go Carl!"
They even skipped their usual middle step. "It's opt in and we ask you if you want to turn it on... or if you would like us to ask you again in 3 days"
The tech community will find a way to remove it, its bad when the tech community has to fight the OS creator to make the OS usable, safe and limit spying.
All you would need is an admin privilege uninstaller like bulk crap uninstaller or similar and you'd be able to nuke recall and basically any other microsoft spyware you didn't want on your system. It's basically effortless.
I hope so. I’m not PC tech savvy, and I’ve been trying to learn as I go. If they do this, and I can’t permanently remove and/or disable ALL features from this stupid Recall crap, my PC is (possibly) essentially bricked. My pc is for video games and maybe some miscellaneous stuff now and then. I assume there’s a lot of games that I won’t get to play if I switch to Linux. But, I’d rather switch to Linux and not have my screen recorded 24/7 than miss out on a game or two.
I have already switched to linux as my daily driver instead of Windows, and I have been tired of Windows and Microsoft for many years now. But the thing that made me switch has actually been Valve and their amazing push to get gaming on Linux with Proton. I'm a gamer and now I play everything on Linux. It's amazing how well everything just works now with Steam and Proton. Can highly recommend taking control of your operation system. You really don't have to live with the terrible bloaty dumpster fire that Windows have become. And yes, I'm using Arch BTW... :)
Oh yeah. I’m quite pleasantly surprised overall with how well Proton just works with that. And I’m thankful that Valve made it. Also, how is Arch for you? Serious question. I’m kinda curious about and was contemplating putting it on a virtual machine, so that I can learn it.
@@solidstorm6129i went for Linux Mint, rolling release distros are not for me because I often forget to update my stuff, and what if I'm not home for a couple of weeks straight? If I was on an Arch-like distro, something could break with the following update probably. Meanwhile Mint does not care.
@@solidstorm6129 Well it's just Manjaro Gnome, so easy install and I think very clean defaults. I like that they make it easy to switch kernels. It's by far the best and most stable distro I've tried so far.
Here's how I suspect they "accidentally" added the uninstall feature. The engineers working on Recall had some common sense and added the option to remove it. That went unnoticed by the management until users pointed it out. At which point some managers freaked out and ordered the uninstall feature to be removed.
Which REALLY indicates that something is up, because if it was a feature, they wouldnt force it down everyones throats. That metaphor tracks all the way through, for why they want to do it, no matter how they sell it. For them.
I started gradually switching from WinXP to Ubuntu Linux, my first was 8.04 Hardy Heron. I messed before that a bit with Damn Small Linux and Knoppix. When Ubuntu forced Unity Desktop I started distro hopping till I finally ended in Linux Mint which I currently use 90% of the time, only using an old Win7 license for some Steam games and stuff
@Gato303co my first time using linux was on an old laptop I got from my grandfather which had openSUSE on it.. couple of years later, I installed ubuntu 9.04 .. after a while, I came to arch and never had to look back again.. windows for a couple of games which won't work on linux.
Work at a large bank and we use windows 11 Indeed, there is no way the bank would accept this as a security risk We are not even local admins yo our own pcs
Fairly sure that there will be cut-outs for things like Rights Management where documents containing sensitive data is tagged & blocked from being screenshot.. The tech already exists, but is often use only in bigger businesses. I would guess that certain versions of Windows would also be exempt, like Windows xx Enterprise..
I moved to Linux in early 2023, distro-hopping until I reached Nixos. It's more complex, but with everything declared in config files, it's hard to break your system if you experiment.
What I don't want is to pay for multi-core CPUs and RAM in order to service these annoying features. I make music/audio with my PC, I need it to work reasonably well in real time. I need control over what my CPU is doing from one moment to the next, I don't want it screenshotting my desktop, moving data around the memory and onto the disk, and writing metadata to a database. I want my reverb plugin to sound consistently luxurious.
That's why this feature requires a specific coprocessor or your CPU has to have a core specifically for this purpose. Your audio software isn't going to be using this specialised hardware.
IT manager of a large corp, been in the industry for 20+ years experience supporting Windows. I've played with Linux for about the same amount of time. Switched my entire EDIT:"personal" network over to Linux only several months ago when they started hinting this sort of garbage, I will not install the MS spyware. Do yourself a favor and install Fedora Workstation with KDE desktop if you want a Windows like environment.
Hmm, that's interesting. I notice that you didn't say: install Fedora Workstation with its default setting for GNOME. Ah, yes. The things we leave unsaid. Do tell.
@@shaunclarke94 tbh the average person could switch to Linux easily but just gets scared of *gasp* learning any terminal commands to have responsibility for their own device
A major discount store already moved all their stores from windows 10 to Ubuntu. I myself have started dual booting windows 10 and Linux mint. Its not bad!
Linux Mint Debian Edition is now as easy to use as the Ubuntu based main Mint edition. That cuts Ubuntu out of the picture, a company that has tried it's own privacy breaking features on the past. In fairness Canonical (who own Ubuntu) backed down under user pressure, something that Microsoft has not been particularly good at; but that whole situation did remind us that Ubuntu is owned by a for-profit group, whereas Debian is a non profit and therefore is not so subjected to those temptations. And again in fairness the regular Linux Mint has a good track record of removing the Ubuntu naughtiness, but why have them in the upstream at all? I swapped from Linux Mint 20 to LMDE 6 earlier this year. If you're willing to try several different live discs before doing an install, add LMDE to the list and see if there's anything you need in the regular Linux Mint that you can't do on LMDE. Just my opinion: Linux is about choice and you're welcome to differ.
The "Problem" is the majority of people don't know or don't care. Linux Computers need to he sold on Stores so people can check it out and buy it without installing it
I only got one system that still uses Windows 10 due to some games, but on 10-10-24 Microsoft went and installed Copilot onto my PC without my consent in their last update. So even Windows 10 users aren't safe from this crap. Instead of waiting for the EOL date this one PC is just waiting on a new 4TB NVME SSD drive to come in then I will switch it to Linux for good.
made the switch to endeavour os in 2022 when my games started stuttering a lot, it was crazy to see how much performance i was missing out on, things were actually playable on linux
IKR? I switched to Linux a week ago, i have 200+ fps on most of the game i play now, and a significantly higher %low score, games feel supernaturally smooth. xD
@@MyouKyuubi Yes, all that telemetry Microsoft does with your system resources really chews into your cpu, ram, storage space big time. Glad to hear that you found the light!
The EU rules are for the EU only. Their rules do not affect the US. You're naive to think Microsoft would stop spying on Americans because of a European law LOL
I'm annoyingly stuck on 22.04, the installer is blocking my upgrade because I have some custom PPA and can't figure out how to get around it. Maybe you can still get to use your Windows exclusive software by setting up a VM with GPU passthrough.
I fully switched now to Linux as a daily driver. All of my new business will be done using Linux variants now. MS Recall was the last straw, it was bad enough there were bugs that never got fixed since release.
i've been using ubuntu exclusively for years, I found if I dual boot it becomes too much of a hassle to juggle OSes. Proton support is so good at this point its actually easier to run a lot of games on linux than on windows thanks to wines robust backwards compatibility. Sure, I can't play some multiplayer games but it's mostly just crap like cawadoody anyways so it's not a huge loss.
@@FullFrontalNerdity-e3z I mean you will get into the terminal only first few months when you still figure things out, right now I am on opensuse and I just let discover handle all the updates and stuff, I already installed all the codecs and necessary for me stuff, so I just boot my system and work / play games without ever touching the terminal at this point
Set up the latest Ubuntu LTS on my old laptop. Yeah, I've gone into terminal a bit to download some stuff and some tools like yt-dlp, but if you are just using it it for like normal productivity, watching youtube, etc. its pretty good. I've heard it compared to old Mac OS, where it doesn't do a lot, but what it does do it does extremely well. Gnome 46 feels like Mac but much more lightweight and less overwhelming with all of the auto-connect and syncing and notifications. And sleep actually saves battery! Windows still drains like crazy while sleeping. Overall a good experience, but Gnome tweaks really should come pre-packaged.
News of this has caused Me to diversify. Instead of relying on any one system if You have been doing computing for a while use multiple machines to do a number of things. You can do a lot of tasks on an old windows 10 machine that You do not update. Processing pictures or short video, even web design or writing text all are fine offline. Only use the online space when You need to. That way You give way less info to anyone. More is less. Your favourite Linux flavour could be Your online machine...
A friend of mine found out by testing ,that even if you were to opt out, the "snap shots" would be saved on their cloud anyway, just not on your pc. I switched to using a linux distro and have had no issues since. I love it!.
The thing that has me really scratching my head about recall is what corporate customers are going to do. I cannot imagine ANY company's IT/infosec departments allowing this to run on company computers.
Same here. After 15 years of on-off faffing about I finally committed with a M2 Pro Mac Mini❤ This is coming from someone who has used Windows since 1998.
It is not a matter of personally opting out of Windows that worries me - it is all those organisation that I have to deal with who use windows. Doctors, Lawyers, Banks, Government etc. In the European Union they will need to have a major change of regulations to keep on using windows so there will be either a huge compromise or a huge cost to change to an alternative.
Those offices want this. Governments want this. That is why M$ is doing it. That is why shills will say Linux is too hard to switch to. All part of the grand scheme.
Here's my thoughts. This is going to happen; someone is absolutely going to hack a massive amount of systems using some very innocuous and simple techniques that can allow someone to break into recall and use it as a RAT. I have absolutely zero doubt that it's inevitable, and that unlike any other data breech in history, this is going to be wide spread, and it's going to hit a lot of very critical systems; everything from healthcare and government, to financing, and education. Because I know, 100% for a fact, most companies DO NOT take their security as seriously as they think they do (used to work in physical security and could show fortune 500 companies how easily someone with shred of knowledge can just walk right into their secure building and access things; I'm aware from the team I used to work with, digital security isn't usually much better, either.) I'm just saying, from personal experience, and an educated guess... someone is going to find a way to use recall to RAT every computer across vast amounts of networks, and because it's "not removable" and "a system dependency" you can bet millions of company computers are about to become ripe for a mass scale data breech, and I think, the damage will end up being so bad, there will be no choice but to see rapid emergency legislation and hefty lawsuits against Microsoft, not just from the companies, and users, but basically every nation on earth will have valid lawsuits to file. good with the bad, Microsoft will probably get legislated into oblivion, and if not, the lawsuits will probably remove them; especially since, when this happens, almost every company will immediately seek alternative systems to avoid this again, so even if they survive lawsuits and legislation, they've lost basically all their "real" customers.
This comment section is depressing. We are just a drop in an ocean of easily led dumbasses who will either not even know this feature exists on their computer or they will actually think it is a great idea and not think about or care about the privacy implications.
In the professional environment, what we need is a solid Linux alternative to Active Directory. And that's just one of the many "nice" features of Windows. Tight, effective integration of services is what keeps Microsoft at the top in the corporate world. Sadly.
True, but much more than that is needed. Reliable encryption in place applicable also once OS is installed, support for host of peripherials especially in the office (from conferencing hardware, high DPI displays, scanners and printers ), all corporate spyware...:P and how much of professional software is available?
Ya my thing is like I understand that I don't OWN Windows itself. But when practically the entire enthusiast community, plus privacy professionals and other industry experts are so adamantly AGAINST this feature, why is Microsoft completely dead-set on making sure you can't get rid of it? I can't help but feel that Recall is more for Microsoft's benefit than the customer. I.E. they're going to collect the data captured by Recall, and they'll have some sort of legal technicality where they won't be held accountable for any more invasive changes they make in the future.
If I watch a newly released movie, and recall starts making snapshots of it, does that mean that it is making you break the law by copying copyrighted material while you watch the movie?
Haven't used a Windows system for 20 years. Left it because of privacy concerns, but had no idea how bad it would become in the future. Glad I made the switch.
It is so seldom that I need to retrace my steps that I can't remember the last time I tried to find something that Recall would have helped me with. I'm not ready to switch to Linux because I have so many Windows only apps. But, I do use a Synology router that makes it very easy to create filters to block individual URL's. So, if I could determine which URL Recall uses, I would just block that and hope nothing else breaks.
It takes some work but you can use wireshark to capture packets on your network, parse them, and block the necessary URLs. Takes some time. Though I imagine Microsoft makes their Recall packets and update packets go through the same or similar URLs so blocking it becomes a tug-of-war
I'm dual booting Linux Cachy os and windows 10 - which is de-bloated with Chris Titus's "Windows Utility". I leave internet disabled (so no forced updates) that I'm using for a few games and a program or two that doesn't play nice with Linux, it's been awesome so far! If more people knew how 'Windows like' and user friendly something like Linux Mint is they'd realize it's not that scary a proposition to switch and many more would jump ship I think.
LOL, you linux users just can't stop lying and pushing this nonsense how "windows like" this or that distro is. I've tested countless of distros and apart from desing, it never comes close. I can't even make my headphones work simultaneously with the speakers. But yea, "it's the same". Sure, if you're just browsing facebook.
Sadly at work I'm stuck using Windows. I'm not sure why a company would want their workforce to all be using an expensive OS laden with spyware though lol
@@traveller23e Does Linux have all the remote configuration and management tools that are available on Windows and MacOS? Because the cost of a Windows license is nothing compared to what they save with those management tools.
@@loganmedia1142 Good question, I don't know what MacOS offers at all but I did recently do a google search to see what open-source active directory alternatives are available and the answer seemed to be that systems do exist with varying cost/service level tradeoffs but I'm not in IT at all so I really can't say how they compare. Though depending on application, it might not matter much. I'm a software dev, and my current machine is not managed by my company, they sent it to me with a fresh win11 install specifically because it's a consulting firm and their normal rules make it impossible to get te program we're working on running. At my last company to I had full admin rights and I don't recall anything ever being installed or updated as part of a remote management system in the two years I was there.
Last week, I spent 2 hours trying to get a MIDI keyboard + DAW working on Linux (all command line and file editing, failed miserably; Ubuntu on System76 laptop), then less than 2 minutes getting it working on Windows. I'm sorry, but however long it takes to disable Recall is faster than literally anything on Linux.
For that reason, the Windows 10 PC I have my DAW on will remain on Windows 10, offline (it's offline about 99% of the time at the moment anyway). However, my "daily driver" PC and my laptop WILL be moving to Linux.
The high resource requirements to run Windows is making Linux look good. The hardware security (TPM 2.0) requirement to install win 11 is making Linux look better. Now this Recall BS is THE LAST STRAW. I don't care about the gaming; I'm switching to Linux.
No trusting MS at all. My experience is that updates have the power to reset config flags. You switch it off but than an update may switch it back on. Demand the ability to uninstall recall completely.
I switched to Fedora when recall was first announced and haven’t looked back. I believe that if more people knew just how far, how polished some Linux distros are today many more would be willing to give it a go.
Microsoft has a history of "bugs" and 'glitches" that always result in the action that would benefit them the most. After "fixing" these bugs / glitches they sometimes seem to come back to benefit Microsoft again.. Just a coincidence..
A week ago, once I heard the rumor of this being implemented as a dependency on File Explorer. I already had a Steam Deck and an entertainment / daily driver PC that ran Linux Mint so switching over my gaming PC was a no-brainer.
True my friend, but what's the change MicroSpy (actually MegaSpy) will make recall as standard on all "computers" as CPU power and hard drive space advances?
Even if MS secured completely the story of your computer use, it's MS itself to be stopped. It analyzes and sends home information about all your activities. And you are providing it with the electricity and computational power to do it. The analysis and profiling of users happens on users' gear, and the result is KB of text data, easy to syphon.
I made the switch to linux a century ago: it was 1994 and Redhat. Life is so nice when you don't have to stay on top of hundreds of setting to protect your privacy.
Planning the switch now. It's gonna be exceedingly difficult, but it's time. I work in IT and have been extremely dissatisfied with Microsoft the last few years, not only when it comes to Windows, but also Office (continous issues with the spelling engine and graphical glitches in both Word and Excel), and definitely when it comes to Azure where stuff that they sell as "platform as a service" isn't that at all, but rather just an unmanaged mess... the same kind of mess we had back when we had our own servers, but now it's more expensive and less flexible. And the support is absolutely attrocious, even the paid 3rd line.
@@knghtbrd Every major information broker/vendor out there has been selling their data to a) whomever will buy it and b) if sensitive, to the government or law enforcement WITHOUT as much as a warrant; and the courts have ruled that the data belongs to the broker/vendor, so it's theirs to sell. All Microsoft needs to do is find a sneaky way to get the data into their cloud. This outright selling of data to the government / law enforcement/ etc has been happening for years, likely decades. Currently, if this feature was on an existing PC, and the computer was seized, well, a snapshot every 5 seconds is very useful information; damning if nothing else. Ready made evidence. I know, some might suggest "then don't do things that are illegal...".. How hard is it to plant evidence if a screenshot is enough ..
You are not forced to use it. I heard it can be uninstalled just like other features like hyper-v iss etc.. On the first page from MS he showed it said the snapshots are disabled by default and you need to enable it. I read that as you need to enable it to use it. I like how he looks at the MS page for recall and just skips the part of the telling you it is disabled as default and how you enable it. But he just completely ignore that and turn to 3rd party articles. If im wrong please let me know and provide a source to prove it and so i can learn.
For a feature that *totally* isn't for harvesting user data and will only be on your device seems like they're trying really REALLY hard to make it so you can't turn it off.. My guess is disabling it disables your access to it and continues to collect and send whatever user data they're harvesting to microsoft.
I bet every time you press Print Screen the thing will reactivate (because you want to save a snapshot, don't you?). It looks like they crave for fresh human-generated data to train their AI on, and they'll do anything and everything to get that.
In windows 24H2 update recall became a dependency for explorer.exe , you can't remove it without breaking your system ,and you are forced to use it even if your PC isn't a copilot + PC .
@@demos113 LOL I've been a Mint User since it still looked like Ubuntu. My Old ADHD kicked in Mid-Mart-@$$, It would supposed to say something about telling everyone youre a Arch User in the End
Are there custom windows versions that don't have all this crap inside? I would like to keep using Windows because most of my tools and games don't work on Linux
I would change but the multilingual support is annoying and the Linux support communities are so full of stuck up people I swear I will never fully switch to Linux.
Windows communities are full of stuck up people, this have not stopped anyone from using Windows. It would be funny if in a few decades Linux would be default but you've swored never to switch.
@@sergeykish Well every time when you have a question they tell you to RTFM and I don't have to RTFM to use Windows. Your attitude is exactly why Linux will never be popular with common folks.
I'm going to be sticking on 23h2 for now, however, as an artist who uses unreal engine at the moment for portfolio projects in-game characters, or other concept/ 2d illustrations, this would likely take time for me to figure out what apps or compatibility would work best for me on Linux distros. I made my Windows 11 very limited in data collection (disabled telemetry, prevented connections from host files in sys 32, etc.). I agree that recall is the very tipping point of an idea of what direction Microsoft is heading towards and the future is unknown for now. If there are any distros that I could keep an eye on in the future in case things go from bad to worse.
They're already working on subscription based licensing for Windows 12 where you pay them a monthly/yearly fee which requires MS account, no possible local account, no options to remove/disable "features" like Recall. They have full control to block programs or remove already installed programs under the guise of "security", they can change and control DNS and network connections at any time to block websites (aka conservative sites, or whatever demanded by local government) under the false guise of "security".
I understand why these videos are made but there are a lot of false claims in these videos including this one. Just fresh installed 24H2 today and can comfirn that you can still create local/offline accounts on the all editions excluding home without a bypass (23h2 required this bypass for home users too) and Windows Recall relies on Copilot and Copilot can be disabled with the Group Policy Editor under User Configuration>Admin Templates> Windows Components>Windows Copilot. So basically if you know what you're doing it takes less than 1 minute to deal with all of these new privacy concerns that are spawning all of these "Switch to Linux" videos. I'm speaking in such a manner because as if switching to Linux is easier than what a I just mentioned and everyone should be on Pro Windows or better anyway considering how easy it is to activate for free. Do some research or have fun learning Linux I guess, which is going to involve much more effort. Linux is fine but it's not even close to being ready on a universal basis. Y'all still can't decide on a Window Manager and it's an absolute joke. Band together and get something done.
Activate for free? You are admitting and encouraging crime here lol. Windows is not free. But yea, usually switching is not that easy if you are using windows-specific software, however for macOS there is parallels vm which supports any app I have
@@gerooq if you are doing serious business you will be punished. It’s real. There are charges for this. In my country there is even special department which can come to your company and check if there are laptops with illegal software, they even have special soft to instantly check your computer for any traces of illegal spftware
@@goldsucc6068 well regarding business use i am actually somewhat excited as i hope this will push establishments like schools colleges libraries and what not to run linux instead of windows, but for most consumers this is a non-event
If only my Nuphy keyboard worked with Linux. Or my Xbox controller not reconnecting every couple seconds. Or my laptop fingerprint reader. Or my webcam with Face ID. Or my VPN not crashing constantly. Or the WiFi webpage that’s supposed to pop up at hotels and such so you can click agree. Tried Mint, Nobara, KDE Neon, and more in the past year. There’s always something that makes me go back.
It baffles me how Microsoft still hasn't learned that by simply forcing their new "features" onto the user, all its going to do is piss them off and cause huge pushback, They have always done this!
Because they know people can't and won't leave and will complain about it than actually do anything about it. Especially when a lot of businesses use and rely on it.
@@cosmicusstardust3300 Been there for 3 years or so as a daily driver. But Microsoft has the corporate market share which they care about and won't get an antitrust lawsuit from.
Recall and their mishandling of how intrusive OneDrive is has driven me away from windows permanently. Every time I get an inkling to come back to windows I am reminded how FUCKED I'm going to be when I get hacked and all my data stolen
When did you make the switch?
august 10, 2023 and i haven't looked back since (started w/ mint, then hopped over to arch btw after 11 months though i decided to use archinstall)
Back in March/April of 2024. Full time on Linux now.
Jully 2024. Thanks god I did
Done it many time for many reasons. Last time was about a year ago but this time I fell certain that I will never return.
1998 after the DLL Hell.
Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows... They weren't wrong!
it is true! I’m dual booting Debian & windows 10
It's the last one I'll ever use, that's for damn sure. The last I enjoyed using was 8.1, and the last I loved was 7. Nowadays I'm all Linux.
@@lboston4660 same shit man! 7 was the best-looking windows os of all time, I loved the aero themes
I'm only using 10 because of anti cheat on certain games. If 10 stops being supported I'll permanently move to Linux.
They did?
It was not stated by Microsoft, but a Microsoft developer evangelist (Jerry Nixon) during the Ignite 2015 conference:
Jerry Nixon stated this at the time in 2015, the big M never bothered to correct him, so, media outlets did what they do best and printed, "He SAID the THING!! It must be true."
no one asked for this feature and they keep shoving this thing in the users face.
Lol, someone definitely asked for it. Probably a Microsoft partner that you don't want yo give your data to.
They know we don't want it, but the data harvesting opportunity is too juicy for them to pass it up.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 I would say multiple Microsoft partners, probably the same one who keep asking for multiple universal backdoors, at least until some hackers from the other side of the ocean finds them and use them pro bono. It seems somebody never learns from previous mistakes.
And possibly the security agencies are pushing this on Microsoft, because it's bound to make forensics easier
@@ordinaryhuman5645 The party that would indeed want the recall feature the most would be the government, especially law enforcement; not limited to any one specific government either.
Recall is a feature that MS can and will likely update in the future; One possible update would/could be to store your recall data in Microsoft's cloud. Once the data is in the cloud, well, your data, er, screenshots is now the property of Microsoft and will be available for sale to anyone willing to pay for it. In the recent years, the courts have the ability of vendors like Microsoft, Verizon, AT&T, Google, etc to be able to sell that data to the government without a warrant; all the government /law enforcement needs to do is literally buy the data. And the government/law enforcement has been doing this for YEARS with various types of data.
From the perspective of who wants that data - well, the government(s) do. This is not something that is limited to any one specific country either; the USA, China, Russia, England, and most other countries around the world truly desire the ability to cull info about their citizens, without going thru the pesky courts and other legalities. I can't think of any existing government of any current nation that is NOT interested in such data, even at a price.
Being able to use the Recall feature for one's self is just a carrot; apparently that feature is limited to the new CPU's that have AI functionality built in, but that will eventually be all new CPU's going forward; but the ability to take screenshots every 5 seconds is NOT necessarily limited to those new chips; any modern CPU could do that, especially with a solid state drive that most computers use nowadays. Even moving those screenshots to the cloud does not require an AI powered CPU; parts of Recall could easily be pushed onto existing Windows 10/11 machines easily if MS desires to harvest such data. With high speed internet, most users would never notice.
This goes right along with other Microsoft initiatives like forcing users to use Microsoft accounts over local accounts, forcing users to use technology like One Drive to back up one's documents, etc.
Everyone who covers this mentions the high risk of hackers breaching this system; what few mention is the _100%_ likelihood of _Microsoft_ using this feature to breach user privacy.
B-b-but they _pwomised_ the snapshots would stay on my pweecee :( Do you not trust big daddy corpo?
And everyone ignores the government casually using it to spy and use big data to create control of their citizens.
Because it's a point with least arguing with personal perceptions.
Most hackers are harmful actors and everyone knows that. Any wide-spread system with valuable information will be eventually hacked. Recall creates a system with almost absolute value.
that's because we already know that they have been breaching basic privacy for years. the game changes when they open us up to even more egregious, unseen hands.
Not just Microsoft, the employees who also have high level U.S. gov security clearances...
There's a great security saying. "It's not IF there's a breach, it's WHEN a breach happens.". Assume any data that exists, will get leaked.
Yup digital data is inherently designed to be accessed. That's its Achilles heel.
That's why I only use Chinese made Android phones. My data won't get leaked because the data theft is a feature.
I was just saying this. That I think this is a two stage plan where they take the data, then get breached, and then have the data without the responsibility.
I heard a data expert say that recal is like putting all the gold and jewels in the middle of your living room in a wheelbarrow. So now whenever they try to push this feature, I imagine a room full of suits with one of them being like "We need to push this feature Carl! We cant get to the next stage of the heist without this being on their PC's. I dont care what this does to the brand! We bought over 50% of your company, this is what were doing with it! Dont you threaten to quit Carl. You know you wont be walking out of here. Now DO IT."
You should be careful when using that. breach typically refers to a specific violation of a contractual obligation, regulatory requirement, or statutory provision. thus it will trigger all sorts of legal and regulatory reporting. in my experience you'd want to use "compromise" or "incident" instead. "There are two types of companies, those who know they have been compromised and those that don't "
Best part with everything only shown to their users not you them on the otherside ( onedrive lacks the 2024 and still uses 2004 drive with less security only thing they did is put a Pack in there for locking up until you may know is may shared the password too
The FBI likes this feature a lot.
Until they get spied on by The CIA...
Look up the FBI "carnivore" project. Automatic surveillance of American citizen's computers complete with an AI system to analyze and summarize the findings? They have probably been involved since day 1.
The agent tapping me told me so
nsa also!!!
FBI does not pay company bill. Consumer data will be sold to corporate clients - the real clients for MS. Private users are just data generators.
I've switched to linux mint when microsoft announced recall. Was the best thing that I could have ever done. I will never go back to windows.
Ditto. Tried Zorin but immediately spent 3 hours troubleshooting to get sound working and connect my AirPods...fairly simple things that should have been dead simple. I got it working, but was so put off I switched to Mint. I was astounded at how much "just worked". Even my gaming keyboard works virtually identically. I'm in love with my PC again. For the few things I need, running Windows in a VM feels like revenge!
@@priusnv Exactly! It is veryyyyy smooth to switch to mint! I had tried debian before mint. But it was very difficult to make things work.
And I've done the same that you did! I made a vm windows! And I just use it to test apps on windows!
Every other task I do on linux! Including gaming!
and now even better that Linux Mint 22 was released
@@eliasepgwith Linux Mint, ma Problem is that my i14600 didn’t want to boot up Linux with Win11 installed and secure boot enabled. How did you manage to do that?
With Mint 22 the only problem I have is that SteamVR games run very very badly. The best answer I've found is that Linux Mint is outdated, but then there are people who play VR games just fine on Mint!
Surprisingly Godot works fine, so I can at least develop my own VR games without any performance problems... :P
The simple fact they want to make it impossible/difficult to u install says they’re doing something nefarious with it. If it was really just a convenient feature they wouldn’t care if you uninstall it.
It's the Diddy drink~
"C'mon, have a good time."
Linux itself couldn't make me jump into Linux but Window Recall feature did it, best marketing campaign for Linux and MacOS 🤣
Yep, I'm running Debian 12.6 and I just bought my wife a used M2 macbook air.
Agreed. Never wanted to switch. I had to much else to do to learn about Linux. Then this happened and down the rabbit hole I leapt.
And Microsoft's CEO is an ex-marketing manager..What a numpty....
Microsoft is the biggest advertiser for Linux! Even a few days ago my friend was using her laptop on windows 10 and there was a "Linux" icon on the desktop that she couldn't remove, microsoft is trying hard to advertise Linux
@@Hontman It's the microsoft version of Linux run within the windows os. Trying to treat unsuspecting users into not leaving windows. Perhaps windows is going to be ported as a linux-kernel distro as the windows kernel isn't fit for purpose anymore.
They want to give us recall and copilot free, but you better pay for Microsoft office if you want to use it offline.
Smh
They're giving recall and copilot for free because the users are the product.
Don't even need MS Office anymore. Linux ships with office suites that are compatible.
Giving us spyware for free, so generous!
of course you can get office for $20.00. I had been paying $75.00 a year for office 365. I do still psy Microsoft $20.00 a year for 100 gigs of cloud storage, although I do not use onedrive the way Microsoft would like me to use it. I store my business and personal documents in a veracrypt container on my onedrive. Mainly because I do not trust Microsoft or their security measures with my data.
Microsoft only gives you the control of the Windows; Linux gives you the control of the entire house!
Right on!
Windows: can't even delete Edge
Linux: will delete the boot loader if you want to
@@SpaceEndeavour Also, your default browser won't secretly switch to Edge from an update....
No. Microsoft controls you with Windows.
@@esphileeMicrosoft watches you through Windows. It's a peeping Tom!
My biggest concern is that Microsoft has a bad habit of re-enabling features and services that are turned off manually by the user, if they are on by default, every time you install updates. I went out of my way to use Admin/Group Policy to turn some things off in Windows 10, and they STILL re-enable every so often. My limited experience with W11 has been much the same, only that same issue is more pervasive, and their habit of turning things back on is MORE aggressive than with 10. I dual boot, but MX Linux is my daily driver. I made the switch to HoloISO for my main boot OS to try more in-depth Linux gaming, and then switched to MX Linux KDE, because MX Linux is the underpinning of AV Linux, and I also do audio recording and production.
I had a VM that I was monitoring it's network and system access from Windows servers. I blocked all but two ports for one specific application through my network firewall and on the machine. I blocked and removed all the bloatware, turned off non-essential policies to only run this one application, and guess what still some how popped op on a Windows 10 machine that has no access to Windows servers and hasn't had a single update in over a year applied to it, CoPilot. It has been there this entire time and on the date it was "released" it just appeared on the system. No trace in network logs, no trace of calling out, no plausible way that this was installed on this Windows 10 system that has zero access to the outside world. I killed that VM instantly.
That sounds like a blatant GDPR violation if the features in question have any kind of privacy implications.
@@Dayantoit only counts for companies that aren't monopolies it seems
Just a recommendation, I have had great success with bazzite, its a really good gaming distro, but also functions really well as a daily driver as well.
@@RocknR00ster your network firewall not working, or it was compromised by Microsoft
The ability to retrieve your history might be useful to some people, the problem is, Who else can retrieve your history? and why it have to be mandatory?
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Wouldn't it be anyone with access to your computer, whether remote or physical?
It prelogs you for the hacker, hilarious.
It isn't mandatory, you can turn it off, in fact it is off by default.
Your spouse, your employer, the police, the customs, a hacker, whoever shouldn't have the access. The only way to make sure that there are no information leaks is a total lack of information to leak in the first place.
Switched to Linux a week ago. Loving it and having a blast exploring a ton of free open source software.
Same bro.
Yeah, I switched about two weeks ago. There's a lot to like . . . some stuff to dislike, but I think the privacy is more than worth it.
Even when I'm relegated to using Windows, I spend a bunch of time in WSL. Simple things in Windows are hot garbage. Even the file explorer is abysmal.
@@iconian1387 you'll see why it's superior with a little time getting used to it. as a dev I can't not use it now
I am amazed how many cool games are only available in the linux repos.
Recall may be mandatory, but windows isn't
It actually is not mandatory.
Open a Terminal with Admin right s and type this (minus the quotes):
"Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall"
You are welcome.
Recall is now a dependency for Windows explorer, its what i call some really tasty spaghetti code.
Explain.
@@Mario583aSome apps that change Windows Explorer got really buggy and it turns out Recall is letting things such as windows explorer tabs possible
@@Mario583a Let me explain the joke here: You see, spaghetti is usually pretty tasty, and Windows explorer has spaghetti code, so he is calling Windows explorer pretty tasty implying you could eat it.
@@Mario583a ChrisTitusTech made a video about it
That will come to bite microsoft on the derier, as the bugs rear their ugly heads..
Like all good mysteries, we have to ask, "who benefits?” What's the benefit to MS to have everyone using Recall? Something doesn't make sense here. Are they using it to train their own AI? Are they mining it to sell you more advertising? I don't think it's a selling point - at least not now.
Most likely, it will enable the government to look through everyone's system to see what they are doing without digging around said systems due to screenshots of everything on said systems. I am pretty sure they won't need a search warrant given that Microsoft has their software on so many government computers, besides that...who knows how much private negotiations are going on without public knowledge between Microsoft and the government. Not trying to sound paranoid but seems like the only logical conclusion.
Idiot executives in c-suites want this, and possibly government intelligence services as well. No one else does.
@@davidjeter5067I think you're being paranoid about the government. I'd be more concerned about my cell phone data - that gives information, location and actual calls, as well as text and emails. If I thought they were being nefarious, I'd say they were mining it for information to sell to advertisers. That's more valuable than letting the government peek at my history. That's money in their pocket. After all, they're making upgrades free, so they have to pay for it somehow...
They need as much data as they can to improve their AI models in search for AGI. This is the big arms race that is going right now in the world. Whoever gets there first takes all.
It's called government grants. The governments want this.
The first thing you notice with Linux is the silence! The constant sales pitches and pushing you in the direction they want you to go, are suddenly gone!! And if your particular Linux system starts down a road you don't like, just pick another one. There are lots!
Lovely comment.
@@kychemclass5850 Thnx
There was a time when people would say that the purpose of an operating system was to get out of your way. Unfortunately, Linux has become a bit windows-ified in that respect but it's still a lot better and some distros more than others.
@@chaos.cornerthat’s not entirely true. Maybe a particular distro, but you can basically make linux do things just the way you want
It's like an ADHD person taking medication the first time, you don't know how hyperactive and distracted you're all the time...
I knew Microsoft was going to push recall through eventually, I just thought they would wait a bit longer for people to 'forget' how dystopian and awful this crap is. Interesting that they aren't waiting for the blowback to die down.
Microsoft and Apple don't want this. Somebody higher up does.
@@FullFrontalNerdity-e3z I get that strong impression as well.
"What do you mean you held the feature because it would destroy the brand Carl!? We bought over 50% of your company, we own it, the heist cant go forward if this doesnt go on their PC's! So you DO IT NOW! I dont care that people still remember. I dont care at all! Theyll take it! Now go Carl!"
"its opt in!" Became "its opt out but you can turn it off" became "its on by default and you cant uninstall it"
Sneaky deceptive sods at MS, aren't they.
They even skipped their usual middle step.
"It's opt in and we ask you if you want to turn it on... or if you would like us to ask you again in 3 days"
I upgraded from windows 10 to linux. Best decision i have ever made.
The tech community will find a way to remove it, its bad when the tech community has to fight the OS creator to make the OS usable, safe and limit spying.
All you would need is an admin privilege uninstaller like bulk crap uninstaller or similar and you'd be able to nuke recall and basically any other microsoft spyware you didn't want on your system. It's basically effortless.
I hope so. I’m not PC tech savvy, and I’ve been trying to learn as I go. If they do this, and I can’t permanently remove and/or disable ALL features from this stupid Recall crap, my PC is (possibly) essentially bricked. My pc is for video games and maybe some miscellaneous stuff now and then. I assume there’s a lot of games that I won’t get to play if I switch to Linux. But, I’d rather switch to Linux and not have my screen recorded 24/7 than miss out on a game or two.
I have already switched to linux as my daily driver instead of Windows, and I have been tired of Windows and Microsoft for many years now. But the thing that made me switch has actually been Valve and their amazing push to get gaming on Linux with Proton. I'm a gamer and now I play everything on Linux. It's amazing how well everything just works now with Steam and Proton. Can highly recommend taking control of your operation system. You really don't have to live with the terrible bloaty dumpster fire that Windows have become. And yes, I'm using Arch BTW... :)
Oh yeah. I’m quite pleasantly surprised overall with how well Proton just works with that. And I’m thankful that Valve made it.
Also, how is Arch for you? Serious question. I’m kinda curious about and was contemplating putting it on a virtual machine, so that I can learn it.
It's pretty amazing. No reason to keep a windows partition at all anymore.
@@solidstorm6129i went for Linux Mint, rolling release distros are not for me because I often forget to update my stuff, and what if I'm not home for a couple of weeks straight? If I was on an Arch-like distro, something could break with the following update probably. Meanwhile Mint does not care.
@@solidstorm6129 Well it's just Manjaro Gnome, so easy install and I think very clean defaults. I like that they make it easy to switch kernels. It's by far the best and most stable distro I've tried so far.
yep, gaming has changed a lot from the early years. Valve deserves a lot of credit for that
Here's how I suspect they "accidentally" added the uninstall feature. The engineers working on Recall had some common sense and added the option to remove it. That went unnoticed by the management until users pointed it out. At which point some managers freaked out and ordered the uninstall feature to be removed.
Which REALLY indicates that something is up, because if it was a feature, they wouldnt force it down everyones throats. That metaphor tracks all the way through, for why they want to do it, no matter how they sell it. For them.
I made the switch in 2007..
Chad
Just 1 year behind you.
I started gradually switching from WinXP to Ubuntu Linux, my first was 8.04 Hardy Heron. I messed before that a bit with Damn Small Linux and Knoppix. When Ubuntu forced Unity Desktop I started distro hopping till I finally ended in Linux Mint which I currently use 90% of the time, only using an old Win7 license for some Steam games and stuff
@Gato303co my first time using linux was on an old laptop I got from my grandfather which had openSUSE on it.. couple of years later, I installed ubuntu 9.04 .. after a while, I came to arch and never had to look back again.. windows for a couple of games which won't work on linux.
There almost certainly will be a Group Policy to remove it for large corporations. Whether MS wants to admit it or not.
Work at a large bank and we use windows 11
Indeed, there is no way the bank would accept this as a security risk
We are not even local admins yo our own pcs
Or to forcibly enable it. But not for the executives, of course
@@ldandco Your bank is probably on Windows 11 Iot Enterprise LTSC. So the chances of Recall on them is probably zero.
Aerospace and government related facilities can't have a security risk like this baked in. Something's gotta change.
Fairly sure that there will be cut-outs for things like Rights Management where documents containing sensitive data is tagged & blocked from being screenshot.. The tech already exists, but is often use only in bigger businesses. I would guess that certain versions of Windows would also be exempt, like Windows xx Enterprise..
I made the switch a few months ago! :D
Welcome brother
More power to you! 🎉
Welcome to the Light side👍
Same, pretty happy so far
I moved to Linux Mint 6 years ago - no more security problems, no random updates when i have work to do, very low resources consumption,...
Recall is as bad as anything in 1984, your computer spying on everything you do.
I moved to Linux in early 2023, distro-hopping until I reached Nixos. It's more complex, but with everything declared in config files, it's hard to break your system if you experiment.
What I don't want is to pay for multi-core CPUs and RAM in order to service these annoying features. I make music/audio with my PC, I need it to work reasonably well in real time. I need control over what my CPU is doing from one moment to the next, I don't want it screenshotting my desktop, moving data around the memory and onto the disk, and writing metadata to a database. I want my reverb plugin to sound consistently luxurious.
I hear ya!!! Live 11 user here. 🤠
What’s your DAW of choice?
That's why this feature requires a specific coprocessor or your CPU has to have a core specifically for this purpose. Your audio software isn't going to be using this specialised hardware.
IT manager of a large corp, been in the industry for 20+ years experience supporting Windows. I've played with Linux for about the same amount of time. Switched my entire EDIT:"personal" network over to Linux only several months ago when they started hinting this sort of garbage, I will not install the MS spyware. Do yourself a favor and install Fedora Workstation with KDE desktop if you want a Windows like environment.
What a cool company 🫡🫡
Hmm, that's interesting. I notice that you didn't say: install Fedora Workstation with its default setting for GNOME. Ah, yes. The things we leave unsaid. Do tell.
@@RockBrentwoodGNOME isn't for everyone
That can't run most of my software? Yeah, no thanks.
@@shaunclarke94 tbh the average person could switch to Linux easily but just gets scared of *gasp* learning any terminal commands to have responsibility for their own device
Made the switch earlier this year before all the recall stuff. I did not make a bad decision.
A major discount store already moved all their stores from windows 10 to Ubuntu. I myself have started dual booting windows 10 and Linux mint. Its not bad!
Linux Mint Debian Edition is now as easy to use as the Ubuntu based main Mint edition. That cuts Ubuntu out of the picture, a company that has tried it's own privacy breaking features on the past. In fairness Canonical (who own Ubuntu) backed down under user pressure, something that Microsoft has not been particularly good at; but that whole situation did remind us that Ubuntu is owned by a for-profit group, whereas Debian is a non profit and therefore is not so subjected to those temptations.
And again in fairness the regular Linux Mint has a good track record of removing the Ubuntu naughtiness, but why have them in the upstream at all?
I swapped from Linux Mint 20 to LMDE 6 earlier this year. If you're willing to try several different live discs before doing an install, add LMDE to the list and see if there's anything you need in the regular Linux Mint that you can't do on LMDE.
Just my opinion: Linux is about choice and you're welcome to differ.
@trueriver1950 nice write up. Will give it a try 🙂
The "Problem" is the majority of people don't know or don't care.
Linux Computers need to he sold on Stores so people can check it out and buy it without installing it
People keep saying switch to Linux but if your need software that just will not run on it then thats not an option.
Have you seen Christitus video? Came out a few hours ago. Recall is now mandatory with file explorer at 24H2
Also from Chris Titus.
Open a Terminal with Admin rights and type this (minus the quotes):
"Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall"
I only got one system that still uses Windows 10 due to some games, but on 10-10-24 Microsoft went and installed Copilot onto my PC without my consent in their last update. So even Windows 10 users aren't safe from this crap. Instead of waiting for the EOL date this one PC is just waiting on a new 4TB NVME SSD drive to come in then I will switch it to Linux for good.
Yes, I thought I had until next October before I had to dump Win10 but MS has forced me to reschedule my total switch to linux.
If they force Recall on Windows 11, it's the final straw. Am trialling Linux Mint, so far so good.
Open a Terminal with Admin right s and type this (minus the quotes):
"Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall"
made the switch to endeavour os in 2022 when my games started stuttering a lot, it was crazy to see how much performance i was missing out on, things were actually playable on linux
IKR? I switched to Linux a week ago, i have 200+ fps on most of the game i play now, and a significantly higher %low score, games feel supernaturally smooth. xD
@@MyouKyuubi Yes, all that telemetry Microsoft does with your system resources really chews into your cpu, ram, storage space big time. Glad to hear that you found the light!
Once I get a good amd card I probably switch to Linux.
@@77wolfblade Just pick one you can afford, they're all great! : /
Had you not replied Nik, I would still be stuck with windows, thanks a lot for helping me Nik 😊😊😊
I just set up my first bare-metal Linux PC last week. Happy as heck.
I hope EU will force Microsoft enable option to remove Recall.
That just makes them make a version of Windows with it removed, it's recommended to switch to Linux at this point.
The EU rules are for the EU only. Their rules do not affect the US. You're naive to think Microsoft would stop spying on Americans because of a European law LOL
I hope EU will force microsoft to use windows XP ui- Ihated android look and tabbed devices -justtrashdevicesforme
@@asdfqwerty-u9n As a source mapper and modder, i agree. They should return back to Windows XP UI
I switched 3 years ago. It's like breathing fresh air
I switched to Ubuntu 24.04 because of all this. I just upgraded to 24.10 and love it. I will miss Luminar Neo and the Affinity suite though.
I think people are using Affinity on linux via Wine - not so sure about Luminar Neo though
I'm annoyingly stuck on 22.04, the installer is blocking my upgrade because I have some custom PPA and can't figure out how to get around it.
Maybe you can still get to use your Windows exclusive software by setting up a VM with GPU passthrough.
Don't use Wine. Use Bottles!
Should stick to LTS versions: 24.04, 26.04, 28.04, etc...
Moved to full Linux 3 years ago! Best decision I made especially after seeing what they been doing with windows 10 and 11 throughout the years.
I fully switched now to Linux as a daily driver. All of my new business will be done using Linux variants now. MS Recall was the last straw, it was bad enough there were bugs that never got fixed since release.
i've been using ubuntu exclusively for years, I found if I dual boot it becomes too much of a hassle to juggle OSes. Proton support is so good at this point its actually easier to run a lot of games on linux than on windows thanks to wines robust backwards compatibility. Sure, I can't play some multiplayer games but it's mostly just crap like cawadoody anyways so it's not a huge loss.
You think games like Asseto Corsa and Beamng run on Linux?
switch all to linux around half a year ago, sure there are some annoyances on linux here and there, but overall experience is very good
I don't like the need to constantly use terminal and type pages of Klingon to do certain things, but I DO like not being spied on so much.
@@FullFrontalNerdity-e3z I mean you will get into the terminal only first few months when you still figure things out, right now I am on opensuse and I just let discover handle all the updates and stuff, I already installed all the codecs and necessary for me stuff, so I just boot my system and work / play games without ever touching the terminal at this point
Set up the latest Ubuntu LTS on my old laptop. Yeah, I've gone into terminal a bit to download some stuff and some tools like yt-dlp, but if you are just using it it for like normal productivity, watching youtube, etc. its pretty good. I've heard it compared to old Mac OS, where it doesn't do a lot, but what it does do it does extremely well. Gnome 46 feels like Mac but much more lightweight and less overwhelming with all of the auto-connect and syncing and notifications. And sleep actually saves battery! Windows still drains like crazy while sleeping. Overall a good experience, but Gnome tweaks really should come pre-packaged.
News of this has caused Me to diversify. Instead of relying on any one system if You have been doing computing for a while use multiple machines to do a number of things. You can do a lot of tasks on an old windows 10 machine that You do not update. Processing pictures or short video, even web design or writing text all are fine offline. Only use the online space when You need to. That way You give way less info to anyone. More is less. Your favourite Linux flavour could be Your online machine...
That's exactly what I'm doing. Windows 10 offline on one machine, Linux on two others.
A friend of mine found out by testing ,that even if you were to opt out, the "snap shots" would be saved on their cloud anyway, just not on your pc. I switched to using a linux distro and have had no issues since. I love it!.
Sure they did.
It is very much being thought through. Microsoft owns any PC with windows. That's the point.
The thing that has me really scratching my head about recall is what corporate customers are going to do. I cannot imagine ANY company's IT/infosec departments allowing this to run on company computers.
They'll just turn it off. Corporate computers are centrally managed and monitored.
I switched to Mac, and man has it been nice. Say what you want about Apple, you get what you pay for, and NO freaking ads.
MacOS is like Linux Pro 😎
@@vasasv6848 Pretty much and Linux I have a ton of respect for.
@@vasasv6848 Not really. A Pro system gives the user maximum control and configurability, so that would obviously be normal Linux over OSX.
@@Evil_Peter yes I like Linux too. Moved from windows to Linux mint in 2008 and some years ago to MacOs. More efficient for my needs.
Same here. After 15 years of on-off faffing about I finally committed with a M2 Pro Mac Mini❤
This is coming from someone who has used Windows since 1998.
so tired of fighting my os for control over my own hardware.
It is not a matter of personally opting out of Windows that worries me - it is all those organisation that I have to deal with who use windows. Doctors, Lawyers, Banks, Government etc. In the European Union they will need to have a major change of regulations to keep on using windows so there will be either a huge compromise or a huge cost to change to an alternative.
Windows Enterprise offers many possibilities. Those positions will probably get some exception
Those offices want this. Governments want this. That is why M$ is doing it. That is why shills will say Linux is too hard to switch to. All part of the grand scheme.
Here's my thoughts.
This is going to happen; someone is absolutely going to hack a massive amount of systems using some very innocuous and simple techniques that can allow someone to break into recall and use it as a RAT. I have absolutely zero doubt that it's inevitable, and that unlike any other data breech in history, this is going to be wide spread, and it's going to hit a lot of very critical systems; everything from healthcare and government, to financing, and education.
Because I know, 100% for a fact, most companies DO NOT take their security as seriously as they think they do (used to work in physical security and could show fortune 500 companies how easily someone with shred of knowledge can just walk right into their secure building and access things; I'm aware from the team I used to work with, digital security isn't usually much better, either.)
I'm just saying, from personal experience, and an educated guess... someone is going to find a way to use recall to RAT every computer across vast amounts of networks, and because it's "not removable" and "a system dependency" you can bet millions of company computers are about to become ripe for a mass scale data breech, and I think, the damage will end up being so bad, there will be no choice but to see rapid emergency legislation and hefty lawsuits against Microsoft, not just from the companies, and users, but basically every nation on earth will have valid lawsuits to file.
good with the bad, Microsoft will probably get legislated into oblivion, and if not, the lawsuits will probably remove them; especially since, when this happens, almost every company will immediately seek alternative systems to avoid this again, so even if they survive lawsuits and legislation, they've lost basically all their "real" customers.
Its not opt in, your use is opt in. Its still running
Open a Terminal with Admin right s and type this (minus the quotes):
"Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall"
This comment section is depressing. We are just a drop in an ocean of easily led dumbasses who will either not even know this feature exists on their computer or they will actually think it is a great idea and not think about or care about the privacy implications.
And of those that are marketeered into believing it's a great idea probably only a single digit % of them will actually use it.
Idiocrisy
Microsoft: Don't worry about hackers because we are. Also don't forget to buy 10 TB SSD to support our Recall feature!!!
Open a Terminal with Admin right s and type this (minus the quotes):
"Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall"
In the professional environment, what we need is a solid Linux alternative to Active Directory. And that's just one of the many "nice" features of Windows. Tight, effective integration of services is what keeps Microsoft at the top in the corporate world. Sadly.
True, but much more than that is needed. Reliable encryption in place applicable also once OS is installed, support for host of peripherials especially in the office (from conferencing hardware, high DPI displays, scanners and printers ), all corporate spyware...:P and how much of professional software is available?
Linux is weak in many areas, even for home users.
Ya my thing is like I understand that I don't OWN Windows itself. But when practically the entire enthusiast community, plus privacy professionals and other industry experts are so adamantly AGAINST this feature, why is Microsoft completely dead-set on making sure you can't get rid of it? I can't help but feel that Recall is more for Microsoft's benefit than the customer. I.E. they're going to collect the data captured by Recall, and they'll have some sort of legal technicality where they won't be held accountable for any more invasive changes they make in the future.
If I watch a newly released movie, and recall starts making snapshots of it, does that mean that it is making you break the law by copying copyrighted material while you watch the movie?
Haven't used a Windows system for 20 years. Left it because of privacy concerns, but had no idea how bad it would become in the future. Glad I made the switch.
It is so seldom that I need to retrace my steps that I can't remember the last time I tried to find something that Recall would have helped me with. I'm not ready to switch to Linux because I have so many Windows only apps. But, I do use a Synology router that makes it very easy to create filters to block individual URL's. So, if I could determine which URL Recall uses, I would just block that and hope nothing else breaks.
It takes some work but you can use wireshark to capture packets on your network, parse them, and block the necessary URLs. Takes some time.
Though I imagine Microsoft makes their Recall packets and update packets go through the same or similar URLs so blocking it becomes a tug-of-war
@@jackthatmonkey8994 Thanks Jack.
I'm dual booting Linux Cachy os and windows 10 - which is de-bloated with Chris Titus's "Windows Utility". I leave internet disabled (so no forced updates) that I'm using for a few games and a program or two that doesn't play nice with Linux, it's been awesome so far!
If more people knew how 'Windows like' and user friendly something like Linux Mint is they'd realize it's not that scary a proposition to switch and many more would jump ship I think.
LOL, you linux users just can't stop lying and pushing this nonsense how "windows like" this or that distro is. I've tested countless of distros and apart from desing, it never comes close. I can't even make my headphones work simultaneously with the speakers. But yea, "it's the same". Sure, if you're just browsing facebook.
It's strange that i now get to view Windows as an outsider, feels weird. lol
Live, Laugh, Linux Mint. 🙃
Sadly at work I'm stuck using Windows. I'm not sure why a company would want their workforce to all be using an expensive OS laden with spyware though lol
@@traveller23e Does Linux have all the remote configuration and management tools that are available on Windows and MacOS? Because the cost of a Windows license is nothing compared to what they save with those management tools.
@@loganmedia1142 Good question, I don't know what MacOS offers at all but I did recently do a google search to see what open-source active directory alternatives are available and the answer seemed to be that systems do exist with varying cost/service level tradeoffs but I'm not in IT at all so I really can't say how they compare.
Though depending on application, it might not matter much. I'm a software dev, and my current machine is not managed by my company, they sent it to me with a fresh win11 install specifically because it's a consulting firm and their normal rules make it impossible to get te program we're working on running. At my last company to I had full admin rights and I don't recall anything ever being installed or updated as part of a remote management system in the two years I was there.
Last week, I spent 2 hours trying to get a MIDI keyboard + DAW working on Linux (all command line and file editing, failed miserably; Ubuntu on System76 laptop), then less than 2 minutes getting it working on Windows. I'm sorry, but however long it takes to disable Recall is faster than literally anything on Linux.
For that reason, the Windows 10 PC I have my DAW on will remain on Windows 10, offline (it's offline about 99% of the time at the moment anyway). However, my "daily driver" PC and my laptop WILL be moving to Linux.
The high resource requirements to run Windows is making Linux look good. The hardware security (TPM 2.0) requirement to install win 11 is making Linux look better. Now this Recall BS is THE LAST STRAW. I don't care about the gaming; I'm switching to Linux.
Most people who do are completely satisfied that they did.
No trusting MS at all. My experience is that updates have the power to reset config flags. You switch it off but than an update may switch it back on. Demand the ability to uninstall recall completely.
I use Red hat at work. Almalinux on my home computer. I am 100% happy!
apparently they made it a File explorer intergrated feature in one of the latest updates to force users to use it if they want the tabbed explorer.
Big tech companies: you shoud eaither pay or watch an ad, and also we could use your free account data
Microsoft: hold my beer
pay, and watch an ad, and we take your account data, and we keep an eye on you at all times because thats how you keep a customer base
I switched to Fedora when recall was first announced and haven’t looked back. I believe that if more people knew just how far, how polished some Linux distros are today many more would be willing to give it a go.
Microsoft has a history of "bugs" and 'glitches" that always result in the action that would benefit them the most. After "fixing" these bugs / glitches they sometimes seem to come back to benefit Microsoft again.. Just a coincidence..
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
A week ago, once I heard the rumor of this being implemented as a dependency on File Explorer. I already had a Steam Deck and an entertainment / daily driver PC that ran Linux Mint so switching over my gaming PC was a no-brainer.
Very simple workaround Do not buy a Windows Gopilot+ PC
True my friend, but what's the change MicroSpy (actually MegaSpy) will make recall as standard on all "computers" as CPU power and hard drive space advances?
Even if MS secured completely the story of your computer use, it's MS itself to be stopped. It analyzes and sends home information about all your activities. And you are providing it with the electricity and computational power to do it. The analysis and profiling of users happens on users' gear, and the result is KB of text data, easy to syphon.
Disabling Recall can't be harder than setting up a linux pc from scratch that mirrors the functionality of your current windows pc.
It's hilarious that people suggest trying to customise a Linux install to work exactly like another OS as a simpler solution.
As a linux user , watching this is 😂 for me!
I made the switch to linux a century ago: it was 1994 and Redhat. Life is so nice when you don't have to stay on top of hundreds of setting to protect your privacy.
So you think 30 years is a century?
Planning the switch now. It's gonna be exceedingly difficult, but it's time. I work in IT and have been extremely dissatisfied with Microsoft the last few years, not only when it comes to Windows, but also Office (continous issues with the spelling engine and graphical glitches in both Word and Excel), and definitely when it comes to Azure where stuff that they sell as "platform as a service" isn't that at all, but rather just an unmanaged mess... the same kind of mess we had back when we had our own servers, but now it's more expensive and less flexible. And the support is absolutely attrocious, even the paid 3rd line.
Micro$oft: _The NSA Company._
You think that's the direction of that relationship?
@@knghtbrd Direction? It’s been that way since the 90s.
@@knghtbrd Every major information broker/vendor out there has been selling their data to a) whomever will buy it and b) if sensitive, to the government or law enforcement WITHOUT as much as a warrant; and the courts have ruled that the data belongs to the broker/vendor, so it's theirs to sell. All Microsoft needs to do is find a sneaky way to get the data into their cloud. This outright selling of data to the government / law enforcement/ etc has been happening for years, likely decades.
Currently, if this feature was on an existing PC, and the computer was seized, well, a snapshot every 5 seconds is very useful information; damning if nothing else. Ready made evidence. I know, some might suggest "then don't do things that are illegal...".. How hard is it to plant evidence if a screenshot is enough ..
You are not forced to use it. I heard it can be uninstalled just like other features like hyper-v iss etc..
On the first page from MS he showed it said the snapshots are disabled by default and you need to enable it. I read that as you need to enable it to use it.
I like how he looks at the MS page for recall and just skips the part of the telling you it is disabled as default and how you enable it. But he just completely ignore that and turn to 3rd party articles.
If im wrong please let me know and provide a source to prove it and so i can learn.
For a feature that *totally* isn't for harvesting user data and will only be on your device seems like they're trying really REALLY hard to make it so you can't turn it off.. My guess is disabling it disables your access to it and continues to collect and send whatever user data they're harvesting to microsoft.
Yea thats my suspicion too. The thing about liers is it literally doesnt matter what they say. Once you know they lie, just assume the worst.
I bet every time you press Print Screen the thing will reactivate (because you want to save a snapshot, don't you?). It looks like they crave for fresh human-generated data to train their AI on, and they'll do anything and everything to get that.
Linux? no way, i will keep using my Windows 7
In windows 24H2 update recall became a dependency for explorer.exe , you can't remove it without breaking your system ,and you are forced to use it even if your PC isn't a copilot + PC .
Welcome to the Time of Big-Blue. You are a Number
Linux Mint for the N00bs, I'm a Debian Fan again Lately.
Well Done Sir
If you aren't worried about distro hopping Linux Mint works fine no matter your level. 🙂
@@demos113 LOL I've been a Mint User since it still looked like Ubuntu.
My Old ADHD kicked in Mid-Mart-@$$, It would supposed to say something about telling everyone youre a Arch User in the End
Are there custom windows versions that don't have all this crap inside? I would like to keep using Windows because most of my tools and games don't work on Linux
I would change but the multilingual support is annoying and the Linux support communities are so full of stuck up people I swear I will never fully switch to Linux.
Windows communities are full of stuck up people, this have not stopped anyone from using Windows. It would be funny if in a few decades Linux would be default but you've swored never to switch.
@@sergeykish Well every time when you have a question they tell you to RTFM and I don't have to RTFM to use Windows.
Your attitude is exactly why Linux will never be popular with common folks.
I'm going to be sticking on 23h2 for now, however, as an artist who uses unreal engine at the moment for portfolio projects in-game characters, or other concept/ 2d illustrations, this would likely take time for me to figure out what apps or compatibility would work best for me on Linux distros. I made my Windows 11 very limited in data collection (disabled telemetry, prevented connections from host files in sys 32, etc.). I agree that recall is the very tipping point of an idea of what direction Microsoft is heading towards and the future is unknown for now. If there are any distros that I could keep an eye on in the future in case things go from bad to worse.
Windows Recall would be perfect for my demented grand uncle. Except he doesn't even remember the password or the username to the CP.
Sad 😔
They're already working on subscription based licensing for Windows 12 where you pay them a monthly/yearly fee which requires MS account, no possible local account, no options to remove/disable "features" like Recall. They have full control to block programs or remove already installed programs under the guise of "security", they can change and control DNS and network connections at any time to block websites (aka conservative sites, or whatever demanded by local government) under the false guise of "security".
Linux is FUN. Go try it because of that, not only because of M$.
Already used it. Definitely not fun.
Can’t wait to see the STIGS for this windows 11 and 12
I understand why these videos are made but there are a lot of false claims in these videos including this one. Just fresh installed 24H2 today and can comfirn that you can still create local/offline accounts on the all editions excluding home without a bypass (23h2 required this bypass for home users too) and Windows Recall relies on Copilot and Copilot can be disabled with the Group Policy Editor under User Configuration>Admin Templates> Windows Components>Windows Copilot.
So basically if you know what you're doing it takes less than 1 minute to deal with all of these new privacy concerns that are spawning all of these "Switch to Linux" videos. I'm speaking in such a manner because as if switching to Linux is easier than what a I just mentioned and everyone should be on Pro Windows or better anyway considering how easy it is to activate for free. Do some research or have fun learning Linux I guess, which is going to involve much more effort. Linux is fine but it's not even close to being ready on a universal basis. Y'all still can't decide on a Window Manager and it's an absolute joke. Band together and get something done.
Real legend over here, thanks mate.
Activate for free? You are admitting and encouraging crime here lol. Windows is not free. But yea, usually switching is not that easy if you are using windows-specific software, however for macOS there is parallels vm which supports any app I have
@@goldsucc6068 I can walk into Microsoft’s headquarters and shout “I activate Windows for free!” at the top of my lungs and I won’t get arrested.
@@gerooq if you are doing serious business you will be punished. It’s real. There are charges for this. In my country there is even special department which can come to your company and check if there are laptops with illegal software, they even have special soft to instantly check your computer for any traces of illegal spftware
@@goldsucc6068 well regarding business use i am actually somewhat excited as i hope this will push establishments like schools colleges libraries and what not to run linux instead of windows, but for most consumers this is a non-event
If only my Nuphy keyboard worked with Linux. Or my Xbox controller not reconnecting every couple seconds. Or my laptop fingerprint reader. Or my webcam with Face ID. Or my VPN not crashing constantly. Or the WiFi webpage that’s supposed to pop up at hotels and such so you can click agree. Tried Mint, Nobara, KDE Neon, and more in the past year. There’s always something that makes me go back.
It baffles me how Microsoft still hasn't learned that by simply forcing their new "features" onto the user, all its going to do is piss them off and cause huge pushback, They have always done this!
Because they know people can't and won't leave and will complain about it than actually do anything about it. Especially when a lot of businesses use and rely on it.
@@trilight3597 Well I have at least done something about it. I moved over to Linux last year and stayed here since and have no regrets lol
Well as more then 80% still use windows it has worked out ok
@@cosmicusstardust3300 Been there for 3 years or so as a daily driver. But Microsoft has the corporate market share which they care about and won't get an antitrust lawsuit from.
The know that most people wont care and many of the people who care won't switch anyway for one reason or another.
Recall and their mishandling of how intrusive OneDrive is has driven me away from windows permanently. Every time I get an inkling to come back to windows I am reminded how FUCKED I'm going to be when I get hacked and all my data stolen