Can You REALLY Blame Max Verstappen? | The Shakedown F1 Podcast #79
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In this episode of The Shakedown F1 podcast we argue about Max Verstappen and Lando Norris at the Austrian Gp and the British GP. Has Max Verstappen really grown? And who was to blame for the incident? Should the FIA take blame as well in this? Should Lando have made better use of all his advantages during the race. We preview the British Grand Prix and talk all F1 News and F1 Updates.
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Has Max matured since 2021?
Negative.
Yes, he is much more patient, he takes less risks.
But he still races for every millimeter.
Anyone claiming he has not matured is an idiot and don't understand the word.
Sorry for saying this but this is the most stupid question i heard in 10 jears. He will be 4 time World Champion and is 4 years older WTF
Of course he has matured, but these two snowflake other presenters are only interested if a British driver wins.
Wow , he waited 2 years for this moment to go in on Max , 2 years said with a smile on his face , lad you seem to have issues
💯, It's sad
what a typical british loser
The smile should've been enough hint to tell you it's a joke 😅
Maybe not a funny joke but a joke nonetheless!
Jazz sit down and have acry mate seems like you need it
The dude on the right looks like Max's dad lol
If you have been waiting for 2 years for any reason to go off on any driver (Max in this case) then maybe you should remove yourself from the conversation. If you can't be unbiased and objective then don't comment on the situation. This was the most targeted and impartial commentary analysis I have seen of the situation. Good on Cam for being the only one keeping it fair and cool-headed.
It's funny. Max made like 0 mistakes in 3 years and now there's 1 incident, where it's even debatable it was his fault, and now everyone is like, "Max didnt learn!". It's ridiculous. All the other drivers around him made many more mistakes than Max during the same period. How many times did Lewis, Sainz and George have to appolologize during the same time for example? Let's be real.
It’s because he hasn’t been under any pressure whatsoever in the last three years , now that he is, the old Max is back😂😂😂
@@stevepiccinnin1157 canada 2022, COTA 2022, COTA 2023, Imola 2024, Canada 2024, Spain 2024 just to name a few. Dont tell me he hasnt been under any pressure these past few years. Put aside ur personal biases against him and think critically
@@zaynsadiq5536 😂😂😂
@@zaynsadiq5536 u guys see what u wanna see , it’s all good, u know what else is good? Being honest with yourself, good for the soul,.. hope u understand what I’m saying, sincerely
@@stevepiccinnin1157 Great response.
OMG…he literally said: “ I was waiting for this so I can bash Max” 🤦♀️who are these people…are they ok? They have a problem…Lando makes mistake after mistake…no penalty.. no criticism from Baxty….now they have an excuse to get him…Baxty says it as if he was holding this poison in him for years and now he has an excuse to say something bad about Max. Oh and guys…it’s already proven that he didn’t move under braking….What a haters…scary😬
Exactly that, well told. 💯. Baxty Is exactly part of the same kind as sky, typical british biased behavior. And then he thinks he is reacting heavily to Max and teasing the fans, which turned against him 🤣.
Cameron need to stop inviting these obvious biased Max haters on his channel if he wants to become a serious F1 guru
I wasn't on the pod last week, so I didn't talk about Spain, but that was a major foul up from Lando. No excuses for him there.
Dont worry bout the haters.
They’re knobs, with the IQ of an amoeba.
I will admit that I am a Max fan - but when I watched what happened including the onboards it is just not that clear cut at all. Of course Max played a part but there was enough room for Lando to avoid the contact without going completely off the road. I'm with Mr. Windsor on this - hard racing - the ridiculousness of this dumbass rule of not moving in the braking zone (which the FIA already modified the rule from you cannot steer at all to you cannot steer erratically in the braking zone)...... Peter Windsor said it all - it's ridiculous to say it's completely Max's fault for Lando to hit Max's rear left quarter with his front right part of the car.... Give me a break!!! Now we get OMG Max has learned nothing!!!! And there is only one line you can take into that turn. Total BS!
@@chrisward6569 what onboards have you watched? Max closed the gap, rear left to rear right 😂
Half a car length, there was room and still be in track limits.
Verstappen fan or Norris fan you need to love F1 more and be honest and objective.
Max was predominantly responsible "for causing the collision" hence the penalty. Max was fighting hard but at least twice he moved late and Norris almost hit the back of him on one occasion. Norris divebombed and exceeded the track limits but gave the place back with zero dirty games like Max in Jeddah 2021. Then Lando made the pass on the inside and stayed within track limits but Max got on the throttle before making the corner and overtook Norris off the track and did not give the place back. After that the crash happened when Norris switched to try on the outside. Immediately after the crash Max veered into Lando and tried to put him in the wall on the run to turn 4. That was dangerous with both cars damaged and it's Max Verstappen who was reckless for no reason. The track limit violations before the battle probably helped Norris catch Verstappen so the penalty is well deserved even if you don't count the incident. However Max Verstappen deserved a penalty for overtaking off track and driving erratically (moving under braking) in addition to the one he got for causing a collision.
Alonso got 20 seconds for Australia when he had no contact with George Russell!!
Max veering towards Lando after both cars had damage but Land was still faster was reckless and could've put both in the wall in the run to turn 5. It's the final act of dirty drivers and reckless endangerment that made all fair and objective people wonder if he learnt nothing or just the wrong lessons from his experience.
@@MMAli-rq8kd you have no idea what happened there. nobody but people outside of the inner circle on what happened know that. and nobody has come out on this. so all you say about this is conjecture...
At the end of this conversation...If these three guys were race car drivers, it's clear only Cameron would be championship material.
Baxtie is so biased he's at the point of delusion. He wants Max to race according to a 5 sec that wasn't given when it should have.
Meanwhile, Chez boggled the mind with the quote "I want hard racing but there is a difference between hard racing and pushing your rival off the road" Which unfortunately is his TeamLH's hallmark with the front left unto the rear right of the guy ahead.
This is why I can't get enough of Cameron's show and Missed Apex.
The hate is hilarious
Lando was given that Penalty, it came after the crash. I blame Red Bull more for that than Max as you would have heard me say
Really? Seems Max fanboy nation is delusional
He’s disgusting.
Stop interviewing these British guys they all hate max Lando is British he can’t do no wrong . Y r we still talking about this it’s over y’all bias is so obvious. C how hard they disregard Lando pushing max in the grass so funny Camron enough
I can easily criticise Lando. His start in Spain was crap and cost him a race win
@@baxtybf1 but you didn't.. "it was a totally different situation, no comparison ". And lando's approach this race was as clean as a whistle of course? In the end it was a minor incident, but you talk about max as if he committed murder.. GTFO bro.
@@jpmillman1 No, no, no. Don't go taking my words out of context.
I specifically mentioned that in relation to those that claim that Lando started it all in Spain.
Had the chance presented itself, I would have course said that Lando didn't handle the situation well. Which is the truth
@@baxtybf1 @baxtybf1 The truth is, you present yourself as very biased, hence all the comments about it, no? Only in the comments you try to redeem yourself as less biased, but the way you talk about max says it all. Butthurt after all these years. Lando's actions were as dangerous as Max' but you don't say that at all. Driving on the edge is part of F1, and by the looks of Lando leaving no room for max the race before, Lando knows it: Sometimes you go over that line, leaving no space for the other guy. Stop the whine, for once Jeremy Clarkson is right: they bumped into each other, these things happen in motor racing..
@@jpmillman1 If you've watched me over the last 2 years you will know I am not a Max guy. Never professed to being one. I give him credit where's it due, but if he screws up in the same way he has done his entire career, I'm gonna criticise him for it.
This is the last you will hear from me, because you seem to have it in for me and are trying to goad me at every turn. I suggest chilling out and not getting so worked up about one persons opinion on the Internet.
Let's focus on Lando... Does Lando defend his space or racing line when he races? He left so much space for George in Spain to come in from behind, and George took the lead from P4. During the sprint race he tried to overtake Max, but left space for Piastri to come in from behind as well... At turn 3 in Austria, Lando had enough space to his left to avoid contact, but he didn't utilise it... Anyway, I think Lando needs to defend his racing lines better and be more spatially aware. If you go on the offense (in most sports), you are also 'defending' the area / space behind you and next to you... If you don't, then you're just acting unintelligently and opportunistically - you're betting on luck to be on your side. Lando is a professional - he purposefully didn't use the space his left in Austria. He fumbled his own race - he had fresher tyres and pace but he got impatient.
The 2 chaps couldn’t back up their take🙊
Why does this always seem like is a nationality thing against Max. Does anyone else see through it besides Cam.
Because Max gives them an inferior sensation. Looks like they all got bitten by a dog with rabies
Because it is.
Because it is, even the "professional guys" from Sky Sports are doing it.
If you don't see the british bias you might as well stop breathing
You are so naive lmao
@@ramondobma And there are plenty of Pros not blaming Max. We can all cherry pick to Steel man our position.
I dont get it. At all. I love the way Max races. Hard racing. Its not kindergarten here. Its F1
Has nothing to do with kindergarten or "hard racing" and everything to do with the rules and who broke them. Not saying I'm a big fan of the rules, merely that if the rules exist and they aren't followed and there are no repercussions then we might as well let them just drive right into each other.
The amount a mental gymnastics necessary to blame Max for Lando being reckless is amazing. LOL
Max is also at fault here I don’t understand. Max was being reckless too
Jolyon Palmer eloquently explains . Calm yourself.
Both were aggressive. Max caused the crash but it's not like Lando was just minding his own business. Both were racing hard. But yeah "Max has gone back to Max 1.0", well so has Lando. And Palmer, ANOTHER brit with a big mouth.
The problem is ... MAX HAS A HISTORY OF THIS NONSENSEN HE STILL HASN'T CHANGED
If you don't go for a space... Well, truth be told, Landon didn't have a space to go, other than outside of the track
Do we remember ALL races from Ayrton Senna?
Senna is hailed nowadays for the great driver that he was, but he too had his tricks on the tracks.
They were much harder, different times....Pure enjoyment to watch, only not for the haters and fanboys from another team...After 2023 you would expect the haters to be more respectful towards Max, but every little mistake he makes get blown up out of proportion by some haters and the media....It's just an emotional response because they never learned to be sportsmanlike.
@@mushie8447 _different times_
You mean seconds are going faster now ? WTF, are you talking about with your _different times_
Did your Maya Calendar end ?
What Max did was far more Michael Schumacher than Ayrton Senna.
Senna was tricky.
Schumacher was a bully who proved many times he was willing to cheat to get what he thought he deserved.
I don't get how max is moving under breaking while the stewards say there was no evidence of it? Way to go f1 analists get the public thinkings he does that whilest he doesn't at least there is no evidence of it. Max did not know lando had a 5 second penalty FIA took so long it looked liked it had to be fought out on track. Lando had space on the outside but did not want to take it and lando does something like this it is hard and fair max says and does not and lando gets it he is crying. I am not saying max was right but it cuts both ways. He had space but just did not want to take it. You have all drs and better tires and a well balaneced. And you cannot get alongside before a heavy braking zone? That's in Lando. No you do not leave race in 2 place to the stewards the fix, did you hear Johnny Herbert talk about Max? How to beat him? Did he break and then move yes or no? Or did he move in the breakingzone whilest not breaking and than breaking? How do you acount for his different apex to lando norris? I liked baxtie's fire but there is not the same energy towards both drivers and saying different instences. Look ad how both drivers react towards getting squeezed, that tells you al you need to know about their mental make up.
Baxtie is pleasing his channel members, he also needs to eat like the Sky pundits.
@@Ron_Real do they even realize that the moving under braking rule was both implemented and removed the same year 😂
@@A2906-o8qAmended not removed; the rule refers to erratic driving in general which was used to give Fernando Alonso a 20 second penalty for George Russell crashing at turn 6 in Australia despite having no contact. Max received 10 seconds "for causing a collision" but not investigated for twice making late moves in the braking zone (which is what the described as erratic driving). Also Max Verstappen overtook Norris off the track and did not give the place back the lap after Norris did the same but gave back the place.
@@MMAli-rq8kd so I guess that's why Max did not get a penalty for moving under braking, because it wasn't erratic enough, also he was at the apex first in both instances, so that explains why they couldn't ask him to give the position back
Max is braking from 200 mph while trying to get round a corner. Lando is behind and can see where to put his car. If dopey Lando decides to stay 1mm from Max then tough titty if they bang. Lando isn’t clever enough to fight Max.
Sounds stupid. But for them 1mm is acceptable. They are playing dumb sometimes. They are super precise and fast. Don't be foold.
And as cam and peter had pointed out, the year before max was given the same choice lando had this year but max passed carlos for the win. Carlos even did the same drift to the left.
@@pranc236 Exactly and with no moaning from Max. Lando has only been at the front for a few races and needs to learn what it is to win a race or settle for points.
@@stableianF1oracle yeap, lando could have waited for that race to come to him.
Exactly, he needs to learn or he will never learn. If you fight with a lion you might get scratched.
You said it best Cam, ‘I don’t want snowflake F1’ 💯👏
The biggest problem with Lando is that he never learned to drive on the right side.... like all english folks! 😂❤
Haven't thought of it this way.
What an incredibly mature and emotionally sound individual this Baxty. Ugh.
Cameron is such a G. The only objective person on this video. The other 2 are so Bias.
Max going of the racing line when having a problem with the car is seeminly worse than Lando on purpose pushing Max of. Yepz i see the intelligence level there.
It's the same. Speed doesn't matter. Just like track limits. Was not fully on the grass. Would be a great move from Lando. Tobad it didn't work out for him.
Max veering towards Lando after both cars had damage but Land was still faster was reckless and could've put both in the wall in the run to turn 5. It's the final act of dirty drivers and reckless endangerment that made all fair and objective people wonder if he learnt nothing or just the wrong lessons from his experience.
@@MMAli-rq8kd you're obviously misinterpreting the situation. Max is going off the racing line to make room for faster cars, yet norris is frustrated and somehow still wants to pass him on the right. He just cannot disappear in a broken car and norris should never have tried to go around his right side. Show me the times when a limping car got off the racing line and someone tried to overtake him on the side he is moving to.
Max learned the driver overtaking if uses divebombing he don't get the place and the driver in front can keep the place.... that's what happened in Abu Dhabi 2021 lap 1! so he don't need to give the place to Lando.
British bias here, I'm not British or from the Netherlands.
Basket or Biscuit I don't even want to know his name is a complete joke don't have any comment on his brainless inputs, the other Gentleman is a lot more pleasant and knows how to give his opinion but Lando push Max of track as well in this race!
I don't agree with the comments on Max hard racing being bad, I'm the opinion of Mr Peter Windsor I think Max did nothing wrong. Lando push Max of track as well!
Nice to see Cameron trying to but some common sense on some hard skulls loool
I sense a lot of residual anger about what happened in 2021. The appetite to finally scold Max for a racing related incident is palatable. This was a non-incident. And I would wager money that if this same "incident" would have happened involving a driver with anything other than a British passport very few people would be even talking about it.
nobody would be talking about it still lmfao. its all about abu dhabi 2021
The intro was enough to not go further into this episode. We all knew you were waiting for 2 years for something and good lord what a spiteful bs.
Yup, they all build the tension over the years and now they think they have something and try to hype it. Always has been this way in sports, little kids who cry because their driver didn't win.
Ufff. It's a good convo Walther. You'll enjoy it, I promise
mental gymnastics to try to prove a bad point Lando was desperate forcing max off the road twice where max avoided him twice to not have a accident but they don’t see that there bias is so bad.
@@Cameron-Cc dude, regardless of your opinions and questions which I always like, the spiteful bs from your co-host Im just not tuning in for that. When Ham came to Zandvoort in ‘21 the NL gave him a very, very respectful welcome. In Silverstone that year?? Even fckng Sky used that crash to say Merry Christmas.
And what do you think is going to happen this weekend?
The whole Brittish press is all over Max. Setting the tone yet again.
Same
Damn Cameron should stop inviting the sore ass guy on the right, but its nice to see his pain
Pain? I was delighted. Or the pain at the end because I was sat on a bench and had no back support 🤣
Didn't know the frustration went so deep these last years.. crazy !
Confirmation bias at it’s maximum. Since these are two Lewis fans; Checo in Spa, Fernando in Spa, Miami bowling turn one, George in Qatar, among others. All since Max’s last incident. But why bother with reality
Correction sir. 3 Lewis fans 😃
@@Cameron-Cc 2.5 🤣. You’re more fair
Exactly this. To add: Piastri in Monza.
Last week it was Lando and no one bats an eye.
It's all selective outrage.
Biased Baxty 👎
@@vincidicaprio298 Actually Baxty is a very balanced fan. I’ve been following him for 2 years & he is not unfair with his attitude towards F1 & the teams. I don’t always agree with him but I sure do respect his opinions.
I always give credit where its due and Max has been superb these last few years, but this is one of the first instances that he's had a genuine fight on his hands for lap after lap and this happens. As I said, I thought he had changed
You're just like the Sky sports pundits, cherry picking the evidence to generate the outcome more to your favour, and ignoring the evidence going against it. When I street interview 20 people and three give me my desired answer, then only show that, it would seem like the whole world agrees with me. I work in media, and I know the power of manipulation. I know you are a fan of a certain driver and not liking a specific other one, so I guess it is only human, but don't pretend you are impartial.
I have been watching f1 since 1982, and to all who pretend Max invented this or is the worst offender ever, please go and watch back some F1 of the older days, 90s and 2000s and you will be educated. Now the sport is already very safe and policed, please allow them to race hard and prevent it from becoming an actual bore fest. And I have seen a lot of podcasts with Baxty and his bias is undeniable, as said right above here, it is what you mention, and purposefully not mention that proved that. And Sky does exactly the same. That smug smile of Anthony Davidson after he 'proves' how it was Max's fault, it is clearly material shot under a certain angle that makes it look that way. We still haven't seen proof with telemetry showing when steering under breaking happened or that Max steered left. Let's also not forget Max managed to keep it on track when pushed on the grass last time, brilliant save, but now that the outcome is different we're suddenly all p00ping in our di4pers. What are we critical about the style or the outcome? Surely if it is the style then Lando is even more guilty in the last few races.
Theres the idiotic british bias present in every sport. Max made many overtakes in the last two years. Fought against Leclrec at the start of 22. Fought against and overtook Hamilton in COTA 22. Defended against Sainz in Canada 22. 23 was basically his year with minimal fights. Still, had a small yet good battle with Sainz in Monza 23 where he actually waited for the overtake for aorund 10 15 laps rather than taking a risky maneuver. Another good overtake last year at the same turn against Sainz. In the last 3 seasons including this one, only Hamilton in Brazil 22 (didn't get much criticism due to the fight with Checo), his move at Vegas, and now this incident come to mind. But yeah, salty fans coming out of their shell still pissed off over 21.
This guy sounds like soy
Verstappen fan or Norris fan you need to love F1 more and be honest and objective.
Max was predominantly responsible "for causing the collision" hence the penalty. Max was fighting hard but at least twice he moved late and Norris almost hit the back of him on one occasion. Norris divebombed and exceeded the track limits but gave the place back with zero dirty games like Max in Jeddah 2021. Then Lando made the pass on the inside and stayed within track limits but Max got on the throttle before making the corner and overtook Norris off the track and did not give the place back. After that the crash happened when Norris switched to try on the outside. Immediately after the crash Max veered into Lando and tried to put him in the wall on the run to turn 4. That was dangerous with both cars damaged and it's Max Verstappen who was reckless for no reason. The track limit violations before the battle probably helped Norris catch Verstappen so the penalty is well deserved even if you don't count Norris going off during the incident. However Max Verstappen deserved a penalty for overtaking off track and driving erratically (moving under braking) in addition to the one he got for causing a collision.
Alonso got 20 seconds for Australia when he had no contact with George Russell. How on Earth is that consistent?!
@@MMAli-rq8kd i don’t really care who is at fault or not. Norris could have drove right into max got out of the car and fought him and I wouldn’t mind I just like the entertainment.
@@Selendeki yeah exactly. This whole situation is so overblown. Two guys raced each other and crashed. Big whoop
Baxty 😂 You have no arguments...
Sorry you feel that way
You’re a knob Baxty, start knitting or something.
This wacksty guy is sounding a lot like Jolyon "Karma" Palmer. It's okay though because I know team LH barely ever get a chance to criticize Max about anything because he is Flawless race after race so if wacksty can have 1 race out of 50 to finally have something to criticize him for then go right ahead. I know you have been foaming at the mouth just waiting for this podcast 😂 us Max fans have been spoiled because we get to criticize Lewis at least 8 or 9 out of the year sometimes maybe even more. Just want to point out that Lando has also sent dive bomb after dive bomb pushing Max off, making him back out or run wide off track to avoid a crash. They would have crashed way before they actually did, so I think that criticizing Max for drifting left a couple of centimeters and unintentionally making contact with Lando which came with overly dramatic consequences compared to what the incident actually was is a little much. Not saying Max is innocent but he has definitely not done anything as outrageous as you are making it out to be. Let's not forget Silverstone 2021 where Hamilton desperately wet wide at copse to push Max off track and ended up crashing him out of the race and into the hospital and then ended up getting a 10-second penalty which then penalize him at all and he was rewarded with a race win for taking max out of the race
Wacksty? That's a new one
@baxtybf1 hes not wrong though.. max was flawless for 3 years straight. The mistakes of SLH and others are countless and you know it. The "bUt mAx NeVeR LEaRnS" rethoric is sickening and opportunistic. At these moments I really love Brexit
Sod off. This was nothing more than a racing incident, and if you look at the footage the blame lies 50% at both parties. British people claiming he hasn't matured just hate any succes that comes from a non-British driver. It's absolutely disgusting.
A balanced and intelligent opinion is not welcome here, mate. HaHaHaHa
It's funny how you lot always go for the easy diss of If He's Not British, blah blah, blah. What I can do is leverage more than 50 years of watching F1. Lewis simply is my first time as a fan of a Brit. Max is nothing new to Me - seen His type plenty before - lots of hype but not much without a superior car.
The Brits just adore their crybabies... I was literally PMSL when Lando was crying after the race on Natalie's shoulder, demanding Max to admit to being stupid. Now, that'll be one very cold day in hell.
@@stever2583 just cause you watched something for 50 years doesn't necessarily mean you're more knowledgeable than someone doing it for 10 years
@@A2906-o8q Said just like a couple of students I've had in the past... Have fun with that idea! You are wrong... I offer one proof - depending on your life experience you might find helpful.. Why is it that a child shows great knowledge in their parent's jobs, or fields of study? How is it that a plumber has a daughter of 3 who can tell an apprentice which fitting to use... How is it that a farmer's child is not fundamentally afraid of animals. This is a world of study which applies itself throughout the known universe in all aspects of sentient life. Bugs to Humans - it happens everywhere - until you look at those who challenge and ignore what is before everyone own eyes. That is the issue of the modern child and those of modest intellect - what do they see when they go to sleep at night?
Being a Max fan is like being a Trump fan i carry it with a badge of honor.
I said the same thing! 😂. Both must be doing something right with all the hate.
Dont put is in the same catergory as those morons
😂😂 this guy is a joke not you cameron the one with the black shirt lol
It's like watching an upper class tory kid having a tantrum because the kid in front had the last chocolate milk.
PS Also, Lando broke two of Max's trophies. LOL
I agree with Sir Cameron, also...Lando could have been more patient and stayed on Max's tail until the Red Bull's tires degraded further, and then made a better move on him.
But, Lando 'knew; he was mostly likely going to get a penalty, he then got desperate to get past Max.
This was a racing incident.
And most British people who are fans of Hamilton, and other British drivers (except for Russell, of course) will always blame Max. And it's okay. 😂
I AGREE
Johnny Herbert is British biased…and is one of the stewards…😱…so Max can’t make any little mistake now…because he wants the give max highest possible penalty .
seriously...worst commentary ever! Oh the humanity
lmao this guy, says for the sprint lando does a brilliant move with drs to pass max but for max's move in return with no drs does the same thing and he used the words shoved it up. yeah these 2 are cooked. cam i can listen to, these 2 need to wash their pants from the stickiness and wipe their mouths i can see a little white dribbling out.
Theres a reason Cameron will get more subscribers and views than these other 2
Oh man! It only took me 10 secs to just stop the vlog🤣
Max had his race ruined, and received a harsh punishment, what more do these guys want? Should he get kicked out of the sport for a little light contact? This stuff happens multiple times a race, but this time it's a big deal?
I thought the penalty was fair tbh. Frustrating to see him extend his championship lead, but thats racing. Vettel did the same in Baku 2017
@@baxtybf1 I have no problem with the penalty, but what I have a problem with is the portrayal that Max intentionally crashed into Lando.
Even if Lando wins the race, finishing P2 scores Max lots of points and is better for Max than a DNF.
At the end of day, this all comes down to Lando being overly aggressive, in the wrong spots (for him) and ruining his own race. If Lando wants to take the next step he would be well served not to blame Max, and ask himself how he could have done things differently.
For me everything after the poor RB pitstop was great exciting racing, and exactly what I tune in for. I want to see these guys leaving it all on the track and competing.
@@baxtybf1and SLH did that on Silverstone.. remember.. remember??
@@jpmillman1 Predictable response
@@baxtybf1 and I'll slap you with facts all day long mate. Your bias as a public figure is toxic, feeds the toxic British narrative and it's undefendable. Yes, you made an enemy out of me and I will not go away. Be prepared for scrutiny on every reaction I see from you.
Hold your horses gents. Wait until Max gets to put Lando under pressure. Then tell me if Max has matured. My guess is Max will make passes with nothing close to touching. (In wheel to wheel)
Oh the humanity Cameron! 'It doesn't matter how you're doing, lets talk about lap 63....!' I like you're fanaticism! I think there is a little 'Max' in you Cameron! 🙂
RB doesn't care, McClaren cries, Mercedes wins and in the drivers championschip standing Max increases his lead. What are you talking about chaps!!! Are you not entertained!!!! 😂😅😅
Mckaren 😂
This blew out of proportion because of hate to max is big nowadays . And it’s growing by the minute . Does he care , no . But the fan side of things only gets more toxic by the minut . Max is the moneycow and sky sports F1 is milking it .Your not involving 1 guy . You now have millions of guys going at each other booing at grand pix , sending hate mail to Toto for example . All because they set a dangerous tone of (all British) opinions. Only Stefano in my eyes does a great job in his tone of excitement . If this goes on I’m not surprised max walks to the track with bodyguards everywhere he goes . I don’t want to see that to any driver .
If you look really closely, you can actually see the little gymnastic, frantically doing mental gymnastic so the 2 fellows on the right can still believe their own story 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂 what an overblown reaction...crash in Monaco with the 2 Haas an Perez was far more severe.
They all know better. Spain was hard driving and Austria was a drama.
We all know Max is always guilty for the Brits wrong or right. So, it's just noise..point.
Agree, Monaco was worse driving standards, but that was at the back. This is at the front featuring the World Champion. Always going to get more attention
I have watched your channel for some time now Cameron. And I must tell you I enjoy it very much. But this Baxty fella is a huge turnoff... sadly.
Yes Cameron .e too. He is seriously off putting and oleagonous😅!!!
This Guy with The Glasses is completely lost in hyperbole.
We are SO lucky to have such an amazing driver to whine about. He is truly Schumacher tier quality, and this petulant child has the audacity to complain that Max's driving effects His enjoyment of The Racing.
Ooh I do like the Caps in my name.
Makes me sound so mysterious!
Most brits talk nonsense anyway , with the exception of Peter and Camero.
All the sore faces on the outcome, it was a bad outcome, but the crime was really really minimal. Whatever move, it has a factor of luck involved, exactly how the cars touch can result in just a mall bump, or disaster, you can't always predict this as a driver. Literally, almost all fights in this corner cars banged wheels, with various outcomes, usually not severe. Let us please not plead for even more policing, we all know it will only invite more boredom.
For some people Max cannot do good. Started at 17: to reckless. AD 2021 win was Verstappens fault(??). 2022, 2023 boring and can he still fight like 2021 when needed? Silverstone 2021 if the positions were changed and Hamilton ended in de wall with 50+G, Verstappen would have to try to kill Hamilton. It is far from objective anymore.
Lando is going to get pounded by Verstrapon
Yup, without lube.
When two drivers are racing on the limit corner after corner, there is always going to be a chance they collide. That's racing. Max might have closed the gap on Lando, but Lando still had room to avoid it and he didn't. I agree with Cameron that Lando let Max hit him to prove a point. Maybe now Max with race him differently, I doubt it though.
That guy with the glasses; You have a problem with how Max defends his position? Dude who tf are you? Great reply Cameron F1 - he just doesnt know what he is talking about with his MASSIVE BIAS
I really thought Norris could not throw away points again, but he did. He could have easily avoided contact, as Max has done so often in that corner-like with the Ferrari in 2023. But no, he messed up again. Norris has lost out on points so often that I can't count it anymore.
Also, it is boring to hear all these holier-than-thou English pundits crying about Max. The hypocrisy is amazing. Trying to invalidate what Norris did to Max in Spain.
Cameron if you really care about your audience, then stop bringing in such anti Max biased people on podcast
Well done Cameron, you had them scrambling for words. Those two didn’t do their research, they just repeated what they heard from Sky. Saying you’ve been waiting for two years to go off on someone is shameful. You are a breath of fresh air Cameron. I’ve become a huge fan since a couple of months.
…I agree…Lando didn’t move deliberately
cameron what did you gave your speakers for medicine
Everyone says Max should have waited for Lando’s penalty… well, since Lando was sure Max was deserving a penalty maybe he should’ve waited for that? No? Ok.
I appreciate Baxty & Shez speaking their minds & not making excuses. We know Max is a winner. He has to get used to at least one more team (McLaren) making very good progress.
What a view these guys have... They are a joke... Indeed... When you are British in f1 you can't do wrong... Max will never get the appreciation he deserves from these guys... Being a fan off Lando I understand but stay objective please. Max is indeed sometimes on the edge.. It is also what people want to see... But Lando could easily avoid it... Max did it many times. He avoided the divebombs same like Hamilton multiple times did with Max in 2021. This is pure hate for Max
Verstappen fan or Norris fan you need to love F1 more and be honest.
Max was predominantly responsible "for causing the collision" hence the penalty. Max was fighting hard but at least twice he moved late and Norris almost hit the back of him on one occasion. Norris divebombed and exceeded the track limits but gave the place back with zero dirty games like Max in Jeddah 2021. Then Lando made the pass on the inside and stayed within track limits but Max got on the throttle before making the corner and overtook Norris off the track and did not give the place back. After that the crash happened when Norris switched to try on the outside. Immediately after the crash Max veered into Lando and tried to put him in the wall on the run to turn 4. That was dangerous with both cars damaged and it's Max Verstappen who was reckless for no reason. The track limit violations before the battle probably helped Norris catch Verstappen so the penalty is well deserved even if you don't count the incident. However Max Verstappen deserved a penalty for overtaking off track and driving erratically (moving under braking) in addition to the one he got for causing a collision.
Allonso got 20 seconds for Australia when he had no contact with George Russell!!
hey Cameron, may i suggest to your good self, make a simple adjustment, that i am positive would bring 1 million subscribers to your channel ? ie change the name of your channel to OhTheHumanity 🤣
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Another one Cam your on fire mate well done 👍🏼
Cheers Andash. There is a lot to talk about eh!? 🤣
@@Cameron-Cc yeah Cameron lots of speculation from what I’ve seen and heard from the people on here and Peter’s channel earlier. You were there same thing as you are getting. A lot of opinions that are non evidence based and non factual. You’ve seen it all before you know what people are like. I’m not sure if the incident warrants such a massive response and backlash from both sides of the argument. Max was cheeky,Lando was petulant and therefore both behaved badly and consequently there was inevitable contact I’m surprised it didn’t happen 10 laps earlier. Read the rest of my comments here on this episode I left my comment to the last I thought about it carefully and analysed all the facts and considered the circumstances and consequences of the actions that were taken by both sides. It’s really was unfortunate and it’s literally schoolboy stuff,you can’t take this it’s mine. And the dummy gets spat bringing both sides down to a level beneath where they should operate and then they get into trouble try to blame the other when they both have an equal part they played in getting themselves into trouble. What is your conclusion on the matter Cam I’m curious to know if you would enlighten me please 🙏
Baxty says “I thought Max was changed” but right after saying that he says “I was waiting for this two years to …on Max” . That means he never thought he was changed otherwise you would not be waiting for this…he is saying the first part just to empower his hate for max. And the fact that he is waiting for two years to say this means this has nothing to do with this incident….they all use this incident to get revenge for 2021. Pitty, I thought Baxty was changed too..🤣🥴😜
Every fan will see this incident clearly his own way, the Britisch see Max as the guilty one, the Dutch fans will say the same over Lando. where was he going, Max to pas from the outside? We all know it for sure.. but some fans are extra stupid.
11:55 yesyesyes absolutely spot on right wicked couldn’t say that any better eloquent honest and genuine delivered with passion and intent so people listen and hear you. Excellent Baxty thank you for sharing that I’ve been saying all day to these people who are just opinions zero knowledge about f1 and yet disrespect our sport the drivers even bashing Max how is that ok. Max was just pushing a boundary a little to frustrate Lando and it worked Lando doesn’t have the mental game to beat Max he got frustrated and then sloppy instead of cucumber mode. Where Max lives always. In perfect control. So majestic it’s beautiful and you can’t help but fall in love with that level of perfection. If we don’t get fully behind Lando how is he ever gonna get over the hurdles. This is so fuckin ‘Tekky’ what’s your say @Cameron mate. Off the fence please haha 😛🤣
Why does no one bring up Lando's dangerous dive bombs? Plus, his dive bomb on lap 59 gave him a track limits penalty that wasn't posted till after they collided and Lando was already in the pits! You let them know right away and Max let's him by and stay within DRS to the finish!
Max was at fault but the outrage is a joke. Brainless racing ? Ha.. okay . I can only imagine how much you Lott would be vilified Michael , Senna and so many other drivers.
The same energy should have been the same in 2021, so bollocks to all who complain now. Keep going Max 😂
Come on guys, they banged wheels, it happens. He got and served his penalty
When is LN serving his penalty
I think a perfect driver will be excellent in offensive and defensive abilities. Also how quick you can do one or the other in a graceful manner.
Cameron, i love your video's a lot! But dump these 2 biast dudes, they have no clue what they talk about. Peter and you are the best 👌
It is past time for the FIA to evaluate the current rule book. Delete duplicitous rules, clarify murky rules and make rules to take control of conduct of drivers and races. Institute a system of timeliness of enforcement during the race to avoid enforcement coming too far after the fact to be effective. The connection between race control and the stewards needs to be streamlined if not combined to speed rulings of infractions. I believe the technology made available to the necessary officials is more than adequate. Attention should placed on driver aggressive behavior displayed anytime during a race weekend, including pit row, practice sessions, qualifying, sprints and actual races.
I SAY GET RID OF DRS PERIOD..
No way this is crab racing. Lando had space enough to go sideways. He didn't push him deliberately. He defended and there was contact that is all.
The amount of uproar for what essentially is a racing incident is starting to get rediculous
Come on Cameron.. fair shout on Max having to read Landos braking zones in order to continue leading rhw race.. but where was this energy for Russell and Alonso incident not so long ago..
People wanna see gladiators not snoflakes.
The Brits wanna see gentelman racing but at the same time they talk about taking Max out in COPS. So what is it?
Funny how in the US the media has TDS (trump derangement syndrome) and in the UK the media has Max derangement syndrome. 🤷♂️
Cam keep up the great work
Max has done a lot of flawless hard racing with many drivers in 2022, 2023 and 2024. Last year mainly when starting from the mid of the grid. This is first time he has put it just, but only just, over the limit and because it is Norris, the heavens are on fire. Look at the bigger picture please.
Cam I would love a 1 hour podcast, its just so good
"max is a stupid, dangerous and aggressive driver"
Me: "really? who do you like that's a serial winner?"
"I'm a huge Senna fan"
Me:"....."
Crashes are inevitable in F1.. drama, battle, rivalries, crashes, people watch this sport for this, can't deny human nature.
The cars and their protections will and must ensure the safety of the drivers, no matter the speed or G force.
If Lando recieved his track limit penalty on the same lap he accumulated it, Max would've probably let him pass and slip streamed + DRS'ed him to the end.
If both of them had no puncture or damage, the race would've carried on and probably a later crash or Max would've won it.
But all of this is conjecture and doesn't matter now.
The FIA should've been proactive with the rules and penalties, or ditch the rules and let them race to the best of their abilities and beyond.
Great video and insights Cameron.
The view of British people on live has changed during and after Brexit.
They are the best and do not challenge them.
So when max has to take evasive actions in Spain to not crash. Its all fair racing. But when Lando does not take evasive action in Austria its all max fault and he is still the same as 2021 😂 and by the way. Lando destroyed his tire because he drove back to the pit faster then verstappen. He could have still scored points. Lando DNF was his own fault 😂
Stop giving these goons a platform as they are simply not qualified to give analysis to the public. Who is this Guy in the t-shirt?
Cameron, always love your conversations with Mr. Peter Windsor, but your guests here today seem to find it more important to stir hate over an unfortunate incident than have a conversation. If your guest has been waiting for 2 year for VER to make a mistake to unload this hate then what is the conversation for if not to add gas to the flame?
Just in the Austrian Sprit race pundits, journalists, and fans alike praised VER for his racing. The GPs incident, while VER was wrong, has turned into an excuse to hate as stated by your guest in the black shirt. Disappointed with todays podcast, unfortunately.
Indeed, poor judgement with Silverstone coming up. Doing the sport no favours.
Actually a side by side cockpit view was released by the FIA on tictock and it proves Max didn't turn left into the turn, he was looking at the apex when Lando hit him. Lando did over steer into Max due the excess speed that would have sent him off track. Max had to turn left after Lando hit him to account for loss of traction and then due to a missing tyre continued to fight for traction.
We need the bad boy. Else we have 20 snowflakes on the grid.
Go Max
The entire DRS system of having a trailing car entering corners FAR faster than the race leader is the culprit here...recipe for collisions
Max referred as one of the best in one lap and the fastest car in consistant succession. However the guy has never shown respect for the rules going back to when Ocon beat em as a teen as a gp 2 runner up. Is either you let him pass or he will crash into you. Which sucks because yes ppl want to see you win, but the back and forth is really where the magic is at. Fernando Alonso vs M Schumacher 2006/2007 will go down as the greatest sportsmanship battle between two top drivers. God I remember just pure back and forth barely touching each other allowing space and slip streaming each other until the end. Max ain't giving you non of that and everyone knows it including drivers. Calling it spades of spades 🤷🏾♂️.
Does this rule of the FIA sporting regulations allow moving under braking or not?
33.4 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be
deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.
I think this rule is too open for interpretation. The first defensive move of Verstappen to Norris could be seen as putting Norris in danger of crashing into him but since Norris was able to avoid contact , is it then dangerous?
Another move under braking from Verstappen when Norris was on the inside was not dangerous to Norris , it only made it more difficult for Norris to make the corner ( which he didn't make).
I have watched both Peter Windsor and also the analysis of Jolyon Palmer. The squeeze move. Also there with above FIA rule the first move does not seem dangerous to me and then the trajectory of Verstappen is then a straight line before Norris comes along on the outside. From Verstappen's point of view there is enough space for Norris ( from previous years you can see others, including Max go more to the left there on the outside of another car ). But from Norris point of view: I am not obliged to move as much possible to the left. If Verstappen made a steering move to the left when Norris was along side, it is then clear cut Verstappen at fault. But he didn't.
Where Verstappen should have gotten a penalty for sure to me is on lap 63 when Norris passed him. In the video of Palmer you can clearly see Norris being clearly ahead at the apex of the turn, keeps the car on track during his move and you see Verstappen accelerate to get alongside , go off track and pass Norris. If there was gravel on the outside of that turn Verstappen would not have been able to do that. So he gained a position there off track.
All talks of Red Bull and Verstappen should have let Norris pass and just stay within 5 seconds because that penalty for sure was going to be given , I disagree with. As long as the penalty is not given , you cannot count on it. And since it took very long between from being noted to actually award the penalty to me is only more reason not to count on it. It should not have taken 5 laps to give that penalty.
What desperation from Max ? Do these guys , are they some sort of "experts" ? Max forgive them because they dont know what they are talking about and keep racing as you always do.
Sorry my humble comment here....but watching f1 for 40 years now ....totally landos own fault . Impatience immaturity and frustration . No clear evidence of moving under braking and certainly no erratic movement of max verstappen . He had to get his apex right . Amd look on his mirror for another over the top dive from ando norris . Lando easy could jave avoided this that track limits would not be applied of he did to avoid contact . Simples ....a bit of tire contact that aas all ....unfortunately they both got puncture .
As long as I stand on the top of the podium that is the most important [thing]. I take the trophy home and they [the booing fans] go back to their houses and they can have a nice evening." - Max to all haters