I'll never understand the draft best available mindset. As a buffalo fan it's so incredibly frustrating to see year after year they need to add a gritty physical player yet every year they draft the best undersized "skilled" forward available. They now have like 6 players that all play the exact same style and offense is lack luster most games. If only they had a guy throwing his body around clearing up space on the ice so the "skilled" forwards can make plays. Log jam effect is real and I think the drafting best available is a major cause to that. I strongly think draft what the team needs and have that player thrive playing a role that the team needs over being 5th in line as the "best available" maybe getting 8 minutes a night
@@robertskinner6487 Slafkovsky (6ft3 238lbs), Reinbacher (6ft2 194lbs), Demidov (6ft 192lbs), and Hage (6'1 190lbs) are not undersized. Mesar is the only small guy they've drafted in the first round under the new management.
The idea to draft the best guy available is that he'll have the highest value. If he's not an asset to the team, he can be traded for the asset you need. There is certainly logic to this, though there are practical challenges, and some teams have executed it well in the past. This video is exclusively highlighting cases where this did NOT work and the opposite was effective.
@@robertskinner6487agreed, not long ago this was true... Yet they've just now finally got the size and skill balance needed to win consistently. We'll see if they can climb outta the basement...
It's what made Sam Pollock so successful, probably the smartest GM in any sport. He took Bob Gainey with his 1st pick (8th) in 1973 causing a storm of criticism. Gainey had only 22 goals in the OHL. But he was the best all around player and ended up in the HoF, basically defined the Selke trophy.
Pollock was a genius. Not only did he have the best scouts and then trusted their instincts, he also knew the importance of having the best development system possible. The players would learn in the minors how the system worked, so they were prepared if/when they arrived at the NHL level. They also learned how to win, even in the minors. He did it all!
Any Jets fan knows just how got Patty can be. He’s had a rough go of it lately and that’s ofc impacted his performance. I just want him to thrive again, and maybe come back:)
I think it's good for league as a whole when trades and offer sheets for young players happen. I can surely assure that whatever the future holds, fanbase of both Blues and Wild would be escatic to add young players like Holloway, Broberg, Jiricek, etc
As a life long Penguins fan, I questioned them taking Jordan Staal at number 2, when Phil Kessel was available. Our last 3 first round picks were all Centers. Maybe if the Penguins drafted Kessel and paired him with a teenage Crosby, the Penguins would've been to easy to play against. As you've said, the NHL is a copycat league. Putting all of our firepower on one line would've made it to easy for other teams to defend against them (think the St Louis, Lecavalier, Richards top line in Tampa after their first cup year).
What I have observed is the development system is so strong that it is producing too many highly skilled players which creates a bottleneck of talent. You also need grinders.
These videos are the best out there! No other creator can even compare with your level of craftsmanship and precise research. Keep up the videos rob! I know you’ll reach a mil soon!
don't forget that the wild also have Andy Ness - world class skating coach. he'll fix any skating issues for Jiricek and make him NHL average if not above average, just like he straightened out Rossi.
I wonder if the Pittsburgh Penguins Car Constructor Master Class is available. I was wondering what the next step is after I build a car with five engines.
Best player available is still pretty subjective since you are judging 18-year-olds that still have another 6-7 years of maturation, but your point has some validity even though no one is passing on a potential superstar in order to draft a player that may potentially "fit" your team better. BUT I'm also sure if you check the 32 team lists of prospects, you'll find plenty of variation even in the first round.
Glad to see it was my sparkle boys who showed the league depth is better than having 1 and a half super lines. Followed by the rest of your players being nobodies
@RobTalksHockey love the video....by the end of the season though i think Hudson for the habs will be that "logjammed" player, he's been solid offensively on the second pp unit. Last night is the first time i seen him replace Matheson on first line PP. Watch him cook now, he just needs to get that first one potted and i can honestly say he will be in the running for the Calder this year. As a defensemen, I know its a longshot but he will be in that conversation come the end of the year i just know it. So dynamic its unreal and now with both Caufield and Laine as 1 time options on 1st line pp ice time LET HIM COOOOOOOK hahaha keep up the great videos my guy!
@@007Hutchings I don't think people think he's the second coming of Christ but he's a strong offensive d man, rough patch but i dont think he's overrated though imo. But has been having a TOUGH stretch lately....
"Can't take Zibanejad off the PP because his production would suffer" that's a player first mentality, and sadly in this league, you can't win with that. What if Zibanejad's production dips, you put Laffy instead, HIS production goes up, BUT, the combined production from Zib and Laffy goes up as a result? That's still a net win. That's still a possibility to win more games. That's what should prime. In a similar discussion, those in Montreal claiming "It's about time Hutson wakes up and scores a goal" he's a rookie defenseman with 15 points on his season but no goals. He's on pace for roughly 60 points. As a ROOKIE DEFENSEMAN. Who cares if he doesn't score a goal, ends up with like 57 assists. That's still helping the team score goals and winning games, which at the end of the day, helps the team. Maybe don't buy 5 engines for the car, but if you have 2-3 to swap around depending on what you need, then the car is more likely to run smoothly overall! :)
There have been very few players who can consistently live up to the expectations that were projected . In today sports world Owner Management are very eager to sign players to big contracts because of one or two decent seasons ..especially when free agency hits or trade deadlines trading futures who haven't played a game with the big team. Other side of this is players who have been told they are great since Pee Wee maybe even novice and believe in it and have an agent who's job is to get them the best deal for them but then can't figure out why suddenly criticism happens, they can't play up to the expectations live up to the hype find themselves in the minors or playing in Europe KHL.
RTH you and Hockey Psychology make such great insight about how hockey trends are evolving. You can clearly see how teams can manipulate their young prospects for cap salary projection, heck you talked about foward and defensive players. I would argue it's even worst for goalies. In MTL they're longing Fowlers and did the same with Primeau (but gotta admit Price cock block him for wanting a vetran as substitute). Then look Knight situation in Florida or Askarov in Nashville... But at the sametime it's such a fine (or thin?) line between you want the best rosters to compete or best draft picks. Like let's be honest... how many managements pulls below average rosters to "tank" for better draft picks.
A better question about Vancouver is why pick Willander over Zach Benson, who is from Langley and was rated BPA. It's rarely hard to find a spot for a scoring winger.
nah, Willander is a player you can't trade for. Dependable rhd with top 2 upside never go on the market and must be drafted and developed. Jiricek is a similar situation but his skating and development stalled and his personality is getting in his way. Willander's are essential to a team wanting to win a cup, and Benson (while great) is a scoring winger of which Vancouver already has a plethora of and is currently their highest rated prospect (Lekkermäki)
As a rangers fan, Laf not on the pp pisses me off. But with a coach who’s stuck using the same 5 guys even thou they struggle. He’s so against changing it unless someone’s hurt and can’t play on it.
Jiricek is not a great skater has defensive lapses at the NHL is demanding to be In the NHL but is not ready the games he has played in Columbus where not great
Odd choice in highlighting Matthews goals on the PP when considering he leads the league in even strength scoring almost every year, and has never really shined as with the man-advantage previously. So your assumption about Laf's production is highly flawed.
dont remind me of kotkaniemi dude, we passed tkachuk for this absolute fucking grinder, and not a good one at that, montreal wouldve def needed a brady tkachuk and fans would absolutely love him, in an alternative world that is
Who would have guessed a team game cant be won by one star..... in all seriousness id have thought teams knew this a long time ago, look at other sports where a team gets a bunch of superstars and then implodes cause suprise superstars tend to have as fragile of an ego as a teenager.
Did bro just compare Laffs 7% to Matthews 26% of goals on the PP?!? Bro, it doesn’t matter what percentage of your goals on on the PP, when you score 69 💀
In fact it does matter, but instead of arguing with you as you only see total goals and not the % of where and when scored you seem like an idiot and that's not worth my time
if you make this video 2 years from now, you would include Slafkovsky who has been called a bust before. Can't imagine if Habs went for Shane Wright instead. Now that is a bust.
Its not really a bad thing to have a log jam tho... Young players need teammates to look up to and learn from. Look at Bedard right now... No log jam there, kid is insanely good, team is shit. Is what it is... If he was on Toronto or Oilers he would be a much much better player right now...
So you said there weren’t any off-the-board picks at the 2015 draft.. you must be a Bruins fan Senyshen at 15 was a huge reach, and in retrospect looks like horrible management
Love seeing players that were considered "over rated" by one team tear it up when they get traded. Really makes me wonder how good Shane Wright could really be if he was on a team that actually played him.
Looks like that might change by the end of the season, already Hutson is seeing PP1 time and Matheson is struggling a bit, at least in the eyes of fans despite decent point production.
Dude are you hurtin for content ideas lately or what? Im not even sure I know what this was about.. Love your vids, last couple have been a miss for me.
I mean the look at laff is not really good... If he is the main guy on a bad team, he doesn't get 28 goals... He gets 15, and his confidence and team is shit... Whats your point?
If Laine puts up even 1-2 more 60pt seasons, I think its hard to call him a bust considerding the personal issues and injuries. Life happens, but I am hopeful he is still gonna be a great player.
There are many things that go into being even a decent NHLer. Staying healthy Staying mentally fit Being coachable Being multi-faceted Being a 2 way player Being marketable Remaining injury resistant Doing the job This is not an exhaustive list. Judging how various metrics like this are used in other sports and professions anything below 66% is considered a fail....where does Laine fair?
In Montreal, a player can get ice time like there's no tomorrow, and ice time equals good stats. Yesterday Laine scored and basically 99% of Montreal media didn't mention the fact that the goalie let in a floater. I'm all for a second, ah third, well ok a forth chance 😂, but Montreal fans only know Habs hockey. They don't watch hockey games, only Habs games. It's a rebuild right? Well if you are rebuilding, you want to have the BEST coaching staff to do so, but in Montreal, you only get the french speaking coaches that want to coach there, and they have picked a pee wee coach because the best coaches didn't want to come. They are still paying 4 coaches, and will be paying a fifth, because Hall of famer Martin St Louis will be fired before the end of the season. It's a toxic environment when you don't surround yourself with the best available pieces. Laine is a very talented player, but let's not put our heads in the sand and acknowledge that no other team was shopping him, and with reason. I wish the Habs success, but let's just be serious. 70% of the team is AHL players.
You saying that Laine’s shot there was a “floater” exposes how little you understand hockey. That was a fantastic shot, what are you even on about? Marty’s not going to be fired this year either, and no, they’re not 70% AHLers. You just don’t know hockey as well as you think you do.
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It's amazing that people have figured out that a team needs to function as a whole instead of a support system for 2 stars
What?!?! No way…it’s almost like I’ve been saying that about Edmonton for years now! 😂😂😂😂😂
I'll never understand the draft best available mindset. As a buffalo fan it's so incredibly frustrating to see year after year they need to add a gritty physical player yet every year they draft the best undersized "skilled" forward available. They now have like 6 players that all play the exact same style and offense is lack luster most games. If only they had a guy throwing his body around clearing up space on the ice so the "skilled" forwards can make plays. Log jam effect is real and I think the drafting best available is a major cause to that. I strongly think draft what the team needs and have that player thrive playing a role that the team needs over being 5th in line as the "best available" maybe getting 8 minutes a night
Sounds like your describing my team the “Habs”
Draft best available to suit your needs
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@@robertskinner6487 Slafkovsky (6ft3 238lbs), Reinbacher (6ft2 194lbs), Demidov (6ft 192lbs), and Hage (6'1 190lbs) are not undersized. Mesar is the only small guy they've drafted in the first round under the new management.
The idea to draft the best guy available is that he'll have the highest value. If he's not an asset to the team, he can be traded for the asset you need. There is certainly logic to this, though there are practical challenges, and some teams have executed it well in the past. This video is exclusively highlighting cases where this did NOT work and the opposite was effective.
@@robertskinner6487agreed, not long ago this was true... Yet they've just now finally got the size and skill balance needed to win consistently. We'll see if they can climb outta the basement...
It's what made Sam Pollock so successful, probably the smartest GM in any sport. He took Bob Gainey with his 1st pick (8th) in 1973 causing a storm of criticism. Gainey had only 22 goals in the OHL. But he was the best all around player and ended up in the HoF, basically defined the Selke trophy.
Pollock was a genius. Not only did he have the best scouts and then trusted their instincts, he also knew the importance of having the best development system possible. The players would learn in the minors how the system worked, so they were prepared if/when they arrived at the NHL level. They also learned how to win, even in the minors. He did it all!
Still hard tk believe JT Miller, Marchessault, Verhaeghe, and Gourde were all once upon a time all in the Tampa Bay Lightning system.
Any Jets fan knows just how got Patty can be. He’s had a rough go of it lately and that’s ofc impacted his performance. I just want him to thrive again, and maybe come back:)
I think it's good for league as a whole when trades and offer sheets for young players happen. I can surely assure that whatever the future holds, fanbase of both Blues and Wild would be escatic to add young players like Holloway, Broberg, Jiricek, etc
It's vital for Broberg to succeed. We need GMs to not be able to resist the potential rewards of offer sheeting.
Every league is a copycat league.
As a life long Penguins fan, I questioned them taking Jordan Staal at number 2, when Phil Kessel was available. Our last 3 first round picks were all Centers. Maybe if the Penguins drafted Kessel and paired him with a teenage Crosby, the Penguins would've been to easy to play against. As you've said, the NHL is a copycat league. Putting all of our firepower on one line would've made it to easy for other teams to defend against them (think the St Louis, Lecavalier, Richards top line in Tampa after their first cup year).
What I have observed is the development system is so strong that it is producing too many highly skilled players which creates a bottleneck of talent. You also need grinders.
Agreed. This is what we’re seeing in Buffalo.
These videos are the best out there! No other creator can even compare with your level of craftsmanship and precise research. Keep up the videos rob! I know you’ll reach a mil soon!
this break down was super cool keep it up man
don't forget that the wild also have Andy Ness - world class skating coach. he'll fix any skating issues for Jiricek and make him NHL average if not above average, just like he straightened out Rossi.
Laine enters the zone with his legs 5 feet apart routinely. He will suffer another catastrophic leg injury.
Big and Talented beats Small and Super-Talented every time.
I wonder if the Pittsburgh Penguins Car Constructor Master Class is available. I was wondering what the next step is after I build a car with five engines.
Best player available is still pretty subjective since you are judging 18-year-olds that still have another 6-7 years of maturation, but your point has some validity even though no one is passing on a potential superstar in order to draft a player that may potentially "fit" your team better. BUT I'm also sure if you check the 32 team lists of prospects, you'll find plenty of variation even in the first round.
It's like Herb Brooks said we're not looking for the best players ... We're looking for the right players! ... That model can take you a long way
Glad to see it was my sparkle boys who showed the league depth is better than having 1 and a half super lines. Followed by the rest of your players being nobodies
@RobTalksHockey love the video....by the end of the season though i think Hudson for the habs will be that "logjammed" player, he's been solid offensively on the second pp unit. Last night is the first time i seen him replace Matheson on first line PP. Watch him cook now, he just needs to get that first one potted and i can honestly say he will be in the running for the Calder this year. As a defensemen, I know its a longshot but he will be in that conversation come the end of the year i just know it. So dynamic its unreal and now with both Caufield and Laine as 1 time options on 1st line pp ice time LET HIM COOOOOOOK hahaha keep up the great videos my guy!
Matheson potential is hugely overrated
@@007Hutchings I don't think people think he's the second coming of Christ but he's a strong offensive d man, rough patch but i dont think he's overrated though imo. But has been having a TOUGH stretch lately....
"Can't take Zibanejad off the PP because his production would suffer" that's a player first mentality, and sadly in this league, you can't win with that. What if Zibanejad's production dips, you put Laffy instead, HIS production goes up, BUT, the combined production from Zib and Laffy goes up as a result? That's still a net win. That's still a possibility to win more games. That's what should prime. In a similar discussion, those in Montreal claiming "It's about time Hutson wakes up and scores a goal" he's a rookie defenseman with 15 points on his season but no goals. He's on pace for roughly 60 points. As a ROOKIE DEFENSEMAN. Who cares if he doesn't score a goal, ends up with like 57 assists. That's still helping the team score goals and winning games, which at the end of the day, helps the team. Maybe don't buy 5 engines for the car, but if you have 2-3 to swap around depending on what you need, then the car is more likely to run smoothly overall! :)
There have been very few players who can consistently live up to the expectations that were projected .
In today sports world Owner Management are very eager to sign players to big contracts because of one or two decent seasons ..especially when free agency hits or trade deadlines trading futures who haven't played a game with the big team.
Other side of this is players who have been told they are great since Pee Wee maybe even novice and believe in it and have an agent who's job is to get them the best deal for them but then can't figure out why suddenly criticism happens, they can't play up to the expectations live up to the hype find themselves in the minors or playing in Europe KHL.
RTH you and Hockey Psychology make such great insight about how hockey trends are evolving. You can clearly see how teams can manipulate their young prospects for cap salary projection, heck you talked about foward and defensive players. I would argue it's even worst for goalies. In MTL they're longing Fowlers and did the same with Primeau (but gotta admit Price cock block him for wanting a vetran as substitute). Then look Knight situation in Florida or Askarov in Nashville... But at the sametime it's such a fine (or thin?) line between you want the best rosters to compete or best draft picks. Like let's be honest... how many managements pulls below average rosters to "tank" for better draft picks.
A better question about Vancouver is why pick Willander over Zach Benson, who is from Langley and was rated BPA. It's rarely hard to find a spot for a scoring winger.
nah, Willander is a player you can't trade for. Dependable rhd with top 2 upside never go on the market and must be drafted and developed. Jiricek is a similar situation but his skating and development stalled and his personality is getting in his way.
Willander's are essential to a team wanting to win a cup, and Benson (while great) is a scoring winger of which Vancouver already has a plethora of and is currently their highest rated prospect (Lekkermäki)
As a rangers fan, Laf not on the pp pisses me off. But with a coach who’s stuck using the same 5 guys even thou they struggle. He’s so against changing it unless someone’s hurt and can’t play on it.
Yo same I’m a rags fan and I wish laf would get all the pp time I’m tired of seeing the zib one t miss wide or always get saved
I have a few people I can send this too . The car analogy is perfect bud lol . Good stuff , as usual 💪
Jiricek is not a great skater has defensive lapses at the NHL is demanding to be In the NHL but is not ready the games he has played in Columbus where not great
Oilers are doing great without broberg. Meanwhile, the blues are slumping.
The Oilers defense has been horrendous I dunno what you are on about
@@theScotian24 By what metric? Your feelings?
the Blues are a bubble team trending down while the Oilers went to game 7 of the SCF. Ridiculous to compare them.
such a dumb comparison
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Odd choice in highlighting Matthews goals on the PP when considering he leads the league in even strength scoring almost every year, and has never really shined as with the man-advantage previously. So your assumption about Laf's production is highly flawed.
Bit disappointed this wasn't about Patrik Laine
Awesome info on the new nhl
dont remind me of kotkaniemi dude, we passed tkachuk for this absolute fucking grinder, and not a good one at that, montreal wouldve def needed a brady tkachuk and fans would absolutely love him, in an alternative world that is
i would much rather my team draft what they need instead of picking up a guy that will barely get used cause he wasnt needed
Best available always works on the franchise mode. Real dudes in a room though...
Who would have guessed a team game cant be won by one star..... in all seriousness id have thought teams knew this a long time ago, look at other sports where a team gets a bunch of superstars and then implodes cause suprise superstars tend to have as fragile of an ego as a teenager.
Did bro just compare Laffs 7% to Matthews 26% of goals on the PP?!? Bro, it doesn’t matter what percentage of your goals on on the PP, when you score 69 💀
The point is he’d have way more than 28 if he was on the first PP
In fact it does matter, but instead of arguing with you as you only see total goals and not the % of where and when scored you seem like an idiot and that's not worth my time
You're as sharp as a bag of bowling balls skippy.
Really interesting video wow… love it
When is the trade deadline and make a video about demidov
Mitchkov didn’t want to play for the yotes.
Bowen Byram is a winner
if you make this video 2 years from now, you would include Slafkovsky who has been called a bust before.
Can't imagine if Habs went for Shane Wright instead. Now that is a bust.
my Toronto Maple Leafs moved T Liljgren I think was a mistake we'll see
Its not really a bad thing to have a log jam tho... Young players need teammates to look up to and learn from. Look at Bedard right now... No log jam there, kid is insanely good, team is shit. Is what it is... If he was on Toronto or Oilers he would be a much much better player right now...
It was 1 game
to be fair vgk trades away its future at every opportunity to 'win now'
in a few years they will have no future left.
Did you say "gold mind"?
Is this the right approach to building a cup winning team? Or should teams focus on the best player available mentality?
Rob, I watch all of your videos. But, please vary the background music a bit.
I thought that Nuge is still playing😅
This could be why stamkos got moved
It’s definitely why Sergachev was moved
@RobTalksHockey yep unfortunately
Send laffrenier to philly! Go flyers
So you said there weren’t any off-the-board picks at the 2015 draft.. you must be a Bruins fan
Senyshen at 15 was a huge reach, and in retrospect looks like horrible management
Very true. I was referencing the top 10, but Boston did for sure haha
I wouldn't call any of them "great" at all. Great should be reserved for future HOFers.
that's franchise... are we policing the use of the word great now?
@MistaZULE
Yes. Great is overused.
@@jfkst1 it's not though
@@MistaZULE
It is for anyone that understands the definition of the word.
@@jfkst1 it's really not. You're just hyper focusing on the word, and great means above average which most NHL players who get past 500 games are.
Love seeing players that were considered "over rated" by one team tear it up when they get traded. Really makes me wonder how good Shane Wright could really be if he was on a team that actually played him.
Nice
what is this incoherent nonsense? the only log jam is the tag team stuck in your throat.
Someones got some... unresolved preferences.
(Thats you, Captain Projection)
Fuckin weird buddy...
Who hurt you?
This generation is soft af.
Lane hutson is being buried behind Mike matheson on the canadians first power play
Looks like that might change by the end of the season, already Hutson is seeing PP1 time and Matheson is struggling a bit, at least in the eyes of fans despite decent point production.
Too soft, too small, and should be a forward.
Apart of my theory is that they are trying to keep his production high to ensure they get good trade value if they do move him
he was on the first pp last night!
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Dude are you hurtin for content ideas lately or what? Im not even sure I know what this was about..
Love your vids, last couple have been a miss for me.
😆
what? this video makes complete sense dog
Scotty you use your eyes and ears to watch a vid bud
I mean the look at laff is not really good... If he is the main guy on a bad team, he doesn't get 28 goals... He gets 15, and his confidence and team is shit... Whats your point?
but laine is a bust, remember when he was picked 2nd overall, and hasnt been able to live up to that hype for 8 years now, thats a bust
Have you heard of getting injured
If Laine puts up even 1-2 more 60pt seasons, I think its hard to call him a bust considerding the personal issues and injuries. Life happens, but I am hopeful he is still gonna be a great player.
Injures and and personal issues is what got in the way. He's a good player but not 2nd overall worthy.
There are many things that go into being even a decent NHLer.
Staying healthy
Staying mentally fit
Being coachable
Being multi-faceted
Being a 2 way player
Being marketable
Remaining injury resistant
Doing the job
This is not an exhaustive list. Judging how various metrics like this are used in other sports and professions anything below 66% is considered a fail....where does Laine fair?
Lol @@zqc604
In Montreal, a player can get ice time like there's no tomorrow, and ice time equals good stats. Yesterday Laine scored and basically 99% of Montreal media didn't mention the fact that the goalie let in a floater. I'm all for a second, ah third, well ok a forth chance 😂, but Montreal fans only know Habs hockey. They don't watch hockey games, only Habs games. It's a rebuild right? Well if you are rebuilding, you want to have the BEST coaching staff to do so, but in Montreal, you only get the french speaking coaches that want to coach there, and they have picked a pee wee coach because the best coaches didn't want to come. They are still paying 4 coaches, and will be paying a fifth, because Hall of famer Martin St Louis will be fired before the end of the season. It's a toxic environment when you don't surround yourself with the best available pieces. Laine is a very talented player, but let's not put our heads in the sand and acknowledge that no other team was shopping him, and with reason.
I wish the Habs success, but let's just be serious. 70% of the team is AHL players.
You saying that Laine’s shot there was a “floater” exposes how little you understand hockey. That was a fantastic shot, what are you even on about?
Marty’s not going to be fired this year either, and no, they’re not 70% AHLers. You just don’t know hockey as well as you think you do.
90% of what you said is a whole lot of bogus.
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@daveblanco8271 is this the comment section?